Friday, 2016-05-27

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Jef91Anyone know of a patch that works to add option to the top pull down menu that works with SF 2.0.1.11? Just upgraded from 2.0.1.7 and the one I was using doesn't seem to work any more01:31
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tortoisedocso all the jollac sold out yet?05:49
Armadilloyes05:53
Armadilloalready yesterday evening05:54
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tortoisedockewl06:23
tortoisedocso chances to actually get it will be higher :D06:23
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Armadillowhy shouldn't you get it?06:28
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tortoisedocArmadillo : never say never!07:39
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M4rtinK[ol]: not at the moment - AFAIK OSMAnd has some custom vector data format10:06
M4rtinK[ol]: modRana still supports only tiled image maps10:07
M4rtinK[ol]: I'll have to check what the OSMAnd data contains10:07
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M4rtinKcould be that modRana could at least use POIs or something like that from it10:07
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[ol]M4rtinK: But OsmAnd is open source, so even if it use custom data, it's not proprietary and can be used in other open source projects.10:25
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M4rtinK[ol]: certainly10:36
M4rtinK[ol]: if they have good data generation tools & the format is usable I might be able to make use of it10:37
M4rtinKeven just partially10:37
M4rtinKI want to do map rendering from vector data in modRana, but it is just not there yet10:37
M4rtinKbut I will for sure eventually need a suitable vector data format :)10:38
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King_DuckZI think I missed the beginning of the conversation so I might be completely off, but if you're talking about importing some functionality from a lib that provides some kind of vectors in your code where you have a different vector struct, maybe this can be of help? https://github.com/KingDuckZ/vectorwrapper10:43
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M4rtinKKing_DuckZ: it was basically just about the possibility of modRana using the OSMAnd vector map data10:47
King_DuckZok... the code I pointed out is to provide a common interface around vectors, so for example std::array<float,2> becomes compatible with some hypothetical osmand_vector210:50
King_DuckZor modrana_vec2 or w/e, but I guess this is more low level than what you were talking about10:51
r0kk3rzKing_DuckZ: its more tiled maps vs vector maps10:53
King_DuckZoh I see10:54
M4rtinKr0kk3rz: there are actually even tiled vector maps :)10:56
r0kk3rzheh of course10:56
urjamanwell... i'm thinking more bitmap vs vector maps? (both come in tiles :P)10:56
M4rtinKeq. the tiles don't contain images but geodata/vector data for the are covering the tile10:56
M4rtinK*area covering10:56
M4rtinKurjaman: yeah, that's more precise :)10:57
M4rtinKgenerally the most important thing is fast lookup10:57
King_DuckZI was going to ask if you meant raster vs vector tiles, but yeah :)10:57
M4rtinKit is easy for tiled map images: z/x/y.png10:57
urjamanz? :P10:58
M4rtinKbut for vector data there are more ways10:58
M4rtinKzoom level10:58
urjamanah...10:58
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M4rtinKbut even z/x/y.vector_data can work10:58
M4rtinKas you might still want to have different pre-processed detail levels10:59
urjamanthis thing is actually one where i could technically be violating a non-compete clause i have ...10:59
urjamanso yeah go and make it, i cant :P10:59
M4rtinKgot you! ;-)11:01
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M4rtinKcan you at least tell what are you working on ? :)11:03
urjamani work for a small business that does solutions for transport companies (like trucks mostly, the ones that transport goods to stores etc), and we have a display product, that obviously needs to have a navigation system...11:06
urjamanso part of my work is an embedded vector map thing :P11:07
urjamani started with "hey this is interesting" and then was "oh hey i should be working on the work thing instead ..." :P11:08
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King_DuckZbtw, if you guys hear of any remote work vacancies involving c++ and linux... poke me plz :D11:13
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M4rtinKurjaman: interesting! :)11:16
M4rtinKyeah, I'm sure it will be interesting once I really get to it11:16
M4rtinKits just a lot of work to do to make it usable to the users11:17
M4rtinKgood data generation tools & ideally easily accessible repositories11:17
M4rtinKa maintainable rendering & styling engine11:18
M4rtinKthat has reasonable performance & is cross platform11:18
M4rtinKetc. etc.11:18
M4rtinKa lot of stuff just to show a reasonable looking map to the user :)11:18
urjamanyou would be surprised of many of those things are like ... questionable ... here :P11:19
King_DuckZmaybe a combination of tsunagari + sdl + some custom code could do the trick :)11:20
King_DuckZurjaman: you don't do multiplatform?11:20
urjamanmore like "good data generation tools" "..." "maintainable" "...." "reasonable performance" "maybe..."11:22
urjamanand i dont currently need multiplatform either, but we have demonstrated linux/x86 (on an SDL based "wrapper" thing instead of the hardware, which is just raw framebuffer really, on other arch...)11:23
King_DuckZo.o11:23
urjamanlinux/ARM is possible too (the work people dont know about that, but i was curious...) :P11:25
urjamanbut you'd need to feed a raw NMEA stream into it (etc etc)11:25
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BysmyyrInvitation: International Sailfish Community Event, June 17, 2016 in Helsinki \o/11:32
M4rtinKurjaman: well that what the external/industrial GPS devices produce, so that makes sense :)11:37
M4rtinKgenerally I would like to avoid the "empty map" welcome screen I've seen in oh-too-many open source mapping apps that try to do vector rendering11:38
M4rtinKthey basically just show a black screen11:38
M4rtinKusually without any hints what to do to make it show something11:38
M4rtinKin many cases you even need to make the data packages yourself11:39
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M4rtinKor even edit weird XML config files (Hello Navit!) to make it show anything at all11:39
urjamanheh, blank-ish screen and "insert the correct flash card" ....11:39
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M4rtinKKing_DuckZ: what is tsunagari ?11:41
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King_DuckZM4rtinK: a tiling engine, iirc11:47
King_DuckZM4rtinK: it's non-obvious what you have to click when you look it up on duckduckgo :p http://tileengine.org/11:49
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M4rtinKKing_DuckZ: using a tiling engine from an RPG to render real world maps12:05
M4rtinKKing_DuckZ: that's indeed an interesting idea :)12:05
M4rtinKBTW, people even do the reverse12:06
M4rtinKincorporate data from OpenStreetMap and other sources as environment for games :)12:06
King_DuckZthe concept is the same, isn't it? ;)12:07
M4rtinKyeah, it is similar :)12:07
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M4rtinKbut the tiles looks substantially smaller12:07
M4rtinKthe de-facto standard for tiled maps is 256x256 pixel tiles12:08
M4rtinKand possibly more for HiDPI devices12:08
King_DuckZhmmm if you code it in a way that makes the rasterizer a plugin or something that can be swapped by the users, at some point somebody (me?) could implement a pixelated rendeder...12:09
King_DuckZit's not huge either, it should be fine12:10
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King_DuckZI'm not saying that you will be able to actually understand the map... but who cares if it's pretty? :p12:11
King_DuckZyou = the app user12:11
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vam52Bysmyyr: did u get the invitation today on e-mail?12:35
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Bysmyyrvam52 yes19:37
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