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bonfus | Hi, I just bought a jolla phone since I was told that it is the closest thing to "opensource" smartphone and the first thing that I'm asked to do is an account at jolla.com?! Or am I missing something and one can simply skip that and run a pacman -Syu or apt-get update ugrade equivalent? | 12:26 |
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mal- | I think in theory you can skip that but then you cannot install apps from jolla store or get system updates, you can of course install apps manually but system updates will be a problem | 12:29 |
urjaman | i think the biggest one would be enabling developer mode .. | 12:31 |
bonfus | mal-: thanks for your reply. Pretty strange idea of opensource though... | 12:31 |
urjaman | (not sure if that works without the store...) | 12:31 |
bonfus | urjaman: no it diesn't...but maybe it can be changed in recovery mode | 12:31 |
bonfus | (no idea anyway) | 12:31 |
r0kk3rz | urjaman: that was changed so it works without jolla store account | 12:32 |
bonfus | r0kk3rz: not in my resetted version | 12:32 |
r0kk3rz | bonfus: a lot of it isnt open source, but a lot of it is | 12:32 |
r0kk3rz | bonfus: was a part of release 2.0.0.1? maybe, cant remember | 12:33 |
mal- | not sure if you can upgrade jolla phone without jolla account using the same ugly way that is used on ported devices | 12:33 |
r0kk3rz | buts its new, as a result of the latest existential crisis jolla had late last year | 12:33 |
bonfus | r0kk3rz: well, I have proprietary code on my pc too...I dislike the idea of having such a "close" package manager | 12:33 |
r0kk3rz | bonfus: you can add third-party repos, like openrepos | 12:34 |
r0kk3rz | and use pkcon to install whatever | 12:34 |
r0kk3rz | but jolla repos are closed yes | 12:34 |
bonfus | r0kk3rz: will do that for sure | 12:34 |
bonfus | r0kk3rz: as soon as I can install anything...which means creating an account | 12:34 |
tbr | you are conflating account registration with open source software. those are separate if not perpendicular things. | 12:35 |
r0kk3rz | bonfus: for earlier version yes, you will have to make an account, install developer mode | 12:35 |
r0kk3rz | after that you can delete the account if thats what you want | 12:35 |
bonfus | tbr: agree. Still I'm missing a simple apt-get or similar tool for updating | 12:35 |
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bonfus | r0kk3rz: will go that way | 12:36 |
tbr | bonfus: pkcon, but for that you need developer mode... | 12:36 |
tbr | unless you side load a terminal | 12:36 |
tbr | which would probably work | 12:36 |
tbr | and if you thought you're getting a fully open source software device, nope. lots of proprietary bits all over the place. That said the OS core packages are mostly open source. | 12:37 |
tbr | wiki.merproject.org has an overview somewhere | 12:37 |
r0kk3rz | tbr: sailfishorg wiki has a more recent one | 12:39 |
tbr | r0kk3rz: tell bonfus, I don't care that much. | 12:40 |
r0kk3rz | tbr: you say that, but you care :P | 12:41 |
tbr | /that much/ | 12:42 |
bonfus | so let's go straight to dev mode. I've seen wikis and I knew part of the code was proprietary ...but that's the same for my linux pc | 12:43 |
bonfus | so don't care either...but the part "you locked in the factory version of the phone if you don't subscribe" is worse in my opinion | 12:45 |
bonfus | well, thanks for the support anyway! | 12:47 |
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Deedend_ | hello | 13:55 |
coderus | Deedend_: hello, its irc | 13:55 |
Deedend_ | coderus: have you ordered the Jolla C? | 13:56 |
coderus | Deedend_: no | 13:56 |
Deedend_ | ok | 13:56 |
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coderus | that was... unusually | 13:58 |
nh1402 | short? | 13:58 |
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kimmoli | instant | 14:01 |
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User23442345 | I have been wondering, does sailfish provide any kind of isolation between the applications (like android does)? | 15:48 |
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taaem | not yet but its on the roadmap i think | 15:49 |
taaem | i heard something about apparmor or selinux | 15:49 |
User23442345 | nice, but then they will have to provide an inter-application communication APIs too I guess | 15:51 |
tbr | dbus? | 15:53 |
User23442345 | oh, yeah, I forgot about it :) | 15:55 |
r0kk3rz | User23442345: theres also hints about more permissions management for dalvik apps as well which is nice | 15:57 |
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Ingvix | Sounds not working and pulseaudio gives this after reboot: http://pastebin.com/8zcMpsaL | 16:18 |
Ingvix | what to do | 16:18 |
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