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| xkr47 | woo after yesterdays -musage=20 balance I can now delete files! | 06:33 |
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| nh1402_work | locusf: I'll probably modify apkenv to act as the Sailfish apk installer later down the line. | 07:24 |
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| locusf | nh1402_work: ok cool | 07:24 |
| nh1402_work | locusf: for now my sfdroid to-do list is: android app icon in launcher, notification pass-through, then bluetooth | 07:26 |
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| nh1402_work | SfietKonstantinW: r0kk3rz: as for your link to launcherdbus yesterday. It looks like the equivalent of an asynctask in Android | 07:28 |
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| aydar | hello. Qt Creator says "Connection error: 1 The remote host closed the connection" | 07:30 |
| aydar | ubuntu 16.04 virtualbox 5.0.24 and SailfishOSSDK 1602 | 07:33 |
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| r0kk3rz | nh1402_work: not sure what you mean by that, but signals and slots are the async methods in Qt | 07:37 |
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| nh1402_work | r0kk3rz: I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do about launcherdbus in regards to my task | 07:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | work on calling a dbus interface from the android side, the lipstick side is really easy | 07:39 |
| r0kk3rz | literally all you need to do is add a function to the launcherdbus class that does what you want, and qt will do the rest | 07:41 |
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| nh1402_work | r0kk3rz: calling a qt-dbus interface, or a dbus interface?, because I can only do the latter | 07:43 |
| r0kk3rz | same thing | 07:44 |
| r0kk3rz | dbus is dbus | 07:44 |
| xkr47 | in which file(s) are the ordering/grouping of launcher apps stored? | 07:45 |
| xkr47 | my phone seems to have reset the layout to default after a temporary disk full issue | 07:46 |
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| nh1402_work | r0kk3rz: alright, I can do that after work. I guess I'll be going back to "Find the right function" with your host Google | 07:53 |
| r0kk3rz | heh :) | 07:56 |
| abranson | xkr47: have a look in /home/nemo/.config/lipstick | 07:57 |
| nh1402_work | r0kk3rz: "maybe this is the function that moves the dex file out of the apk, wait why does the move function call a rename function and nothing else" "haha f you" | 07:57 |
| xkr47 | abranson, thx! | 07:59 |
| xkr47 | devid 1 size 13.75GiB used 6.07GiB path /dev/mmcblk0p28 | 08:00 |
| xkr47 | sweet successs | 08:00 |
| abranson | wow that's *empty* | 08:02 |
| xkr47 | scrapped most of my images & videos, all thumbnails and all openstreetmap cache tiles :) | 08:03 |
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| xkr47 | I've come to the conclusion that it's best not to backup the gallery using the backup app, instead just rsync the whole thing | 08:03 |
| xkr47 | eveyrthing else I do back up still, it doesn't take that much space | 08:04 |
| abranson | the mozilla cache is a big old lump too | 08:04 |
| xkr47 | hmm where is that located? | 08:04 |
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| abranson | ~/.mozilla | 08:05 |
| abranson | i was copying my profile over to the C, and saw how many files were in there. cache2 i think. | 08:06 |
| abranson | on btrfs many small files are bad | 08:06 |
| abranson | i think those thumbnails should be in a db... | 08:06 |
| xkr47 | ok | 08:07 |
| xkr47 | abranson, yeah that might make sense.. although cleanup is easier this way hehe | 08:07 |
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| xkr47 | it's a shame that they don't store the thumbnail inside the jpegs themselves | 08:09 |
| xkr47 | maybe there's too harsh restrictions on the embedded thumbnails, don't know | 08:10 |
| abranson | i don't think so, but it does put your photos at greater risk of damage | 08:10 |
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| abranson | also, nemothumb is used for lots of image resizing, not just jpgs | 08:11 |
| abranson | same with the MS Thumbs.db too - possibly the worst solution :) | 08:11 |
| xkr47 | what's the best way to restart lipstick ? | 08:11 |
| xkr47 | hehe | 08:11 |
| abranson | sailfish utils? | 08:11 |
| xkr47 | wee applicatin groups restored | 08:14 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | nh1402_work: async task ? | 08:23 |
| SfietKonstantinW | do not seems to be related | 08:23 |
| SfietKonstantinW | nh1402_work: notification is easier | 08:23 |
| SfietKonstantinW | there are dbus apis | 08:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah pinging up a notification would be a good way to test it out | 08:28 |
| nh1402_work | SfietKonstantinW: I have already made a test program with the help of krnlyng, so that shouldn't be a problem to implement I'm hoping. But notifications are more for vanity and dbus development experience | 08:28 |
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| nh1402_work | although, I could try and whip it out this evening and get it over and done with, before working on icons. | 08:31 |
| SfietKonstantinW | nh1402_work: how do you build sfdroid ? | 08:32 |
| SfietKonstantinW | CMake ? | 08:32 |
| xkr47 | abranson, thanks for your help | 08:33 |
| abranson | yw! | 08:33 |
| nh1402_work | SfietKonstantinW: same way as building an Android ROM, except it just includes the modifications and not the whole rom | 08:33 |
| SfietKonstantinW | hum | 08:33 |
| SfietKonstantinW | not using Qt anywere right ? | 08:34 |
| SfietKonstantinW | :/ | 08:34 |
| SfietKonstantinW | using DBus via their C API is not the most friendly way of using it :( | 08:34 |
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| tortoisedoc | DBus is very friendly api | 08:35 |
| nh1402_work | SfietKonstantinW: iirc accelerometer pass through is done via the domain socket and qtsensors | 08:35 |
| tortoisedoc | (albeit a bit slow) | 08:38 |
| nh1402_work | tortoisedoc: from my research, I can count C++ dbus example code on one hand | 08:40 |
| nh1402_work | SfietKonstantinW: not only is there minimal QT code, I have no experience with either, dbus or QT, and minimal C++ experience. My expertise lies in Android development. | 08:43 |
| tortoisedoc | dbus in qt is very simple | 08:44 |
| tortoisedoc | thats why theres so few examples :P | 08:44 |
| nh1402_work | tortoisedoc: I can't use dbus in qt, qt is not accessible in Android for sfdroid | 08:45 |
| r0kk3rz | nh1402_work: thats ok, theres plenty of people who understand qt and dbus around here | 08:46 |
| r0kk3rz | who also consequently have zero android experience | 08:46 |
| tortoisedoc | nh1402_work : well dbus runs over socket, so if you can get the client library compiled in, and assuming you have access to the dbus socket from android, why would you not be able to use dbus from android (albeit at c/c++ level) | 08:48 |
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| nh1402_work | tortoisedoc: that's how it's working atm, it's compiled in and C++ level development on the Android side | 08:52 |
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| r0kk3rz | nh1402_work: sfdroid works on cm12.1? | 08:58 |
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| nh1402_work | r0kk3rz: yes, that's where all the current development is going towards. It feels like the CM11 version is deprecated. | 09:00 |
| r0kk3rz | ah cool, i conceivably have a device that can run it these days then | 09:01 |
| nh1402_work | r0kk3rz: providing it has 2GB+ RAM | 09:02 |
| SfietKonstantinW | nh1402_work: if there is minimum Qt, it is ok, you can use Qt stuff to handle DBus | 09:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | nh1402_work: 3gb enough? | 09:05 |
| r0kk3rz | but anyway, i need to get sfos on it first i guess | 09:06 |
| nh1402_work | r0kk3rz: plenty, which device, Z3? | 09:06 |
| r0kk3rz | z3c tablet | 09:07 |
| nh1402_work | close | 09:16 |
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| nh1402_work | r0kk3rz: you going to try a pure port or a "safe" CM12.1 based port? | 09:23 |
| nh1402_work | it should support the mainline kernel which they've been working on | 09:24 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah that would be interesting to try, but for now having sfos + sfdroid sounds quite useful to me | 09:30 |
| r0kk3rz | theres a few of us with the same device, so someone is bound to give it a go *cough*locusf*cough* | 09:31 |
| abranson | i dunno. android-free sfos sounds awesome. and very encouraging for companies trying to justify releasing mainline kernels for mobile devices. | 09:32 |
| nh1402_work | abranson: if it supported xwayland maybe | 09:35 |
| abranson | yeah i gather that sfos is a bit too entangled with hybris and android for it to be easy. | 09:36 |
| nh1402_work | also full fat opengl | 09:38 |
| abranson | oh i see what you mean sorry | 09:38 |
| abranson | might be a bit chicken/egg that | 09:38 |
| abranson | there's no reason to explore those until there's a mainline sfos image | 09:39 |
| nh1402_work | what I'm saying is if Sailfish can run standard linux apps and games, then it would be a lot more appealing as it would have many more apps and games available for it. Tacking on android support via shashlik or sfdroid via chroot would mean even more stuff available | 09:40 |
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| r0kk3rz | there was some experiments with xwayland a while ago | 09:50 |
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| r0kk3rz | plus a mainline image would be good to run in a vm as a demo | 09:50 |
| nh1402_work | r0kk3rz: that was shelved a year ago iirc | 09:51 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah it was a community effort after all | 09:52 |
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| abranson | was that before the sony mainline kernels were announced? | 09:52 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah which is slightly misleading, sony devices are still many patches away from mainline | 09:55 |
| nh1402_work | r0kk3rz: well sfdroid is a community effort and there are no plans to shelve it any time soon | 09:55 |
| r0kk3rz | nh1402_work: sure, however people have jobs/lives, and community efforts live and die by people having the will and free time | 09:56 |
| nh1402_work | yh xwayland was done by one guy | 09:58 |
| nh1402_work | r0kk3rz: has there been any updates to Sony's mainline-ing efforts?, I've only seen that one blog post months ago | 09:58 |
| abranson | if they keep going with it, then maybe it'll reinspire the community effort. something to look forward to maybe. | 10:01 |
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| avrelaun | Hi, I apologize in advance for the dumb question, but does the play store work in sailfish os ? something like opengapps | 10:03 |
| nh1402_work | avrelaun: you can install them unofficially either in alien dalvik (on Jolla devices or Intex Aqua Fish) and flash them like any other app with sfdroid installed on ported devices. | 10:05 |
| nh1402_work | flash them like any other flashable android package* | 10:05 |
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| avrelaun | nh1402_work: the target device is fairphone2 | 10:07 |
| avrelaun | sfdroid is a wrapper for dalvik ? | 10:08 |
| zGrr | moin :) | 10:08 |
| nh1402_work | avrelaun: kind of, it's run along side Sailfish using the base image, and modified to work through Sailfish, development for sfdroid for fairphone 2 is still ongoing and not ready yet. | 10:09 |
| locusf | r0kk3rz: yeah yeah | 10:10 |
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| nh1402_work | locusf: have you shelved your mainline Sony port for now then? | 10:12 |
| avrelaun | what performs better, alien dalvik or sfdroid ? | 10:12 |
| avrelaun | maybe sfdroid support ART ? | 10:13 |
| avrelaun | wait, so sfdroid is basically running android in a sailfish app | 10:14 |
| nh1402_work | avrelaun: I believe alien dalvik has more stuff working on it, but sfdroid development to match or exceed Alien Dalvik is still ongoing (already exceeds it in one area). sfdroid supports ART, yes. | 10:14 |
| avrelaun | what about notifiations and other low level access ? | 10:14 |
| r0kk3rz | avrelaun: sfdroid is a full android, whatever the version of android is used for the device | 10:14 |
| r0kk3rz | alien-dalvik is a proprietary implementation of the dalvik api | 10:15 |
| avrelaun | can the android apps installed in sfdroid be launched and managed directly by sailfish ? | 10:15 |
| avrelaun | ok | 10:15 |
| nh1402_work | avrelaun: notifications and launching android apps from Sailfish is on my todo list | 10:15 |
| avrelaun | nice | 10:16 |
| nh1402_work | need to decide which to do first, notifications maybe easier, but launching apps being more important. | 10:16 |
| nh1402_work | r0kk3rz: which would you suggest? | 10:17 |
| avrelaun | you cold get some hype with pokemon go running almost natively in sailfish | 10:17 |
| * avrelaun is running away | 10:17 | |
| avrelaun | anyway, I'll check the fp2 port once I get it | 10:18 |
| nh1402_work | avrelaun: that won't work without GPS which is also on my todo list | 10:19 |
| avrelaun | alien-dalvik isn't an option for fp2 ? | 10:19 |
| nh1402_work | avrelaun: Jolla and Fairphone are in talks about that | 10:19 |
| avrelaun | so alien-dalvik is owned by jolla | 10:20 |
| avrelaun | not very open-source | 10:20 |
| abranson | no, it's a third-party thing | 10:20 |
| abranson | made by a company called Myriad | 10:20 |
| abranson | they originally announced it for the N900, but it didn't appear on a phone until the Jolla. | 10:21 |
| avrelaun | n900, wow | 10:21 |
| avrelaun | if it doesn't support ART it'll become irrelevant quickly | 10:22 |
| avrelaun | if dalvik becomes deprecated | 10:22 |
| r0kk3rz | nh1402_work: if you can invoke dbus, notifications should be a piece of piss | 10:22 |
| r0kk3rz | but i have no idea how notifications work in android | 10:23 |
| abranson | avrelaun: eventually. android has a huge number of old devices out there though. | 10:23 |
| nh1402_work | avrelaun: Android N goes back to JIT so unlikely to see dalvik going any time soon | 10:23 |
| abranson | hopefully by the time dalvik is dead, sfos won't need it ;) | 10:23 |
| nh1402_work | r0kk3rz: notifications it is then, just so I can actually see/show progress of my own development, and I know how they work in Android | 10:24 |
| locusf | nh1402_work: only for a while | 10:25 |
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| nh1402_work | locusf: how many more things are you working on?, sfdroid now and then, mainline, some ports, mer, apps? | 11:03 |
| locusf | nh1402_work: + sailpi + asteroid + chip nemo + pine64 among others :p | 11:04 |
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| nh1402_work | locusf: so you're quite free then :p | 11:18 |
| locusf | nh1402_work: + fulltime job :D | 11:20 |
| nh1402_work | locusf: have you heard of this concept called sleep, scientists are still baffled by it | 11:24 |
| locusf | nh1402_work: I have, thus I just do the fulltime job :p | 11:24 |
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| louisdk | Hi :) | 11:52 |
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| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : how to proceed if i'd like to propose an upstream merge for a (new) package in mer-core? | 13:19 |
| tortoisedoc | whats the process in that sense? | 13:20 |
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| tortoisedoc | whats the take with the ambiences? | 13:43 |
| tortoisedoc | are they stored in a db? | 13:43 |
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| merlin1991 | so I'm looking at the vault in sfos 2.0.2.43 but the code in https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/vault is older | 16:29 |
| merlin1991 | any points where I can get some recent code? | 16:29 |
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| merlin1991 | is there any source dump for the gpl bits from the jolla c available by now? | 16:30 |
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| merlin1991 | meh http://releases.sailfishos.org/sources/ only goes up to 2.0.0.10 | 16:35 |
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| tbr | merlin1991: it used to be pinging Stskeeps until he started bleeding through his irc-client, but since he's no longer an employee this was taken over by other people. I do not know whom to ping. Last resort is to send snail mail to the documented address. I've done that a few times in the beginning... | 16:40 |
| merlin1991 | no answers though? | 16:41 |
| tbr | I did get answers to my letters. The result was sources being publicly available. | 16:41 |
| tbr | the first I had to upload myself for public access | 16:42 |
| tbr | later jolla was uploading directly to my devaamo server | 16:42 |
| merlin1991 | so you got a dvd? | 16:42 |
| tbr | and after a year or two they got their act together and made space on their own servers | 16:42 |
| tbr | yes | 16:42 |
| * Stskeeps points to LarstiQ (may be busy due to jolla c shipments) and goes back to his tired children | 16:42 | |
| merlin1991 | and atm? | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | otherwise jaymzz | 16:43 |
| merlin1991 | ie. for the current release, did you ping somebody already? | 16:43 |
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| tbr | no, I have no active involvement in the jolla community for well over a year now | 16:43 |
| tbr | I just blurt out snarky comments on IRC from time to time | 16:44 |
| merlin1991 | :) | 16:44 |
| tbr | also supposedly their process was all set up and things should magically happen within a few days of release | 16:44 |
| merlin1991 | so http://releases.sailfishos.org/sources/ used to be done by jolla but now nobody does it | 16:44 |
| merlin1991 | well we're allready missing the version that is currenlty on the regular jolla device (if the above url is the canonical source) | 16:45 |
| merlin1991 | LarstiQ: ^^ | 16:45 |
| tbr | as carsten pointed out, it's LarstiQ or you can poke jaymzz and have him poke people internally | 16:45 |
| tbr | if they don't you can always give patrick mchardy a call... *snerk* *snerk* *snerk* | 16:47 |
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| merlin1991 | sfconservancy post from 2 days ago? :D | 16:48 |
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| nh1402 | Renault: planning to introduce Sailfish devices in your cars? | 17:34 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | hmhm | 19:21 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | QML Debugger: Ignoring "-qmljsdebugger=port:10001,block". Remote debugger plugin has not been found." | 19:23 |
| tortoisedoc_ | can someone tell me what's wrong here? | 19:23 |
| kimmoli | merlin1991: i did sen formal letter today for jolla c sources, | 19:25 |
| kimmoli | LarstiQ: ^ | 19:25 |
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| nh1402 | r0kk3rz: SfietKonstantinW: It turns out I don't have some example code for creating notifications via dbus in C++ without QT. I must have fluffed the Sailfish rom it was on and wiped it | 19:59 |
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| r0kk3rz | heh | 20:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | nh1402: http://www.matthew.ath.cx/misc/dbus ?? | 20:10 |
| nh1402 | r0kk3rz: thanks, I was looking through my history, I did find a really good example, which just so happens to be very similar to the link you just sent with the pretty much the same content in it. | 20:12 |
| nh1402 | i'll get to work | 20:12 |
| nh1402 | that sounds like I found the really good example, I didn't | 20:12 |
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| r0kk3rz | dbus is pretty clunky, but what you want to do is fairly simple | 20:13 |
| r0kk3rz | that 'calling a method' code can probably just be copypastad | 20:14 |
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