Friday, 2017-10-06

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asdf_how about we make migration from systemd to openrc? openrc is great05:44
blabbersystemd works fine on my sailfish devices. i prefer jolla to invest their resources into new features and the amoothing of rough edges.05:50
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asdf_it would be a nice move, but sure, high priority tasks should be done first06:36
r0kk3rzasdf_: for what purpose?06:43
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keithzg[m]blabber: I definitely agree; hell, I've had at least some issues on every systemd setup other than on SailfishOS, and many of the times I've tangled with systemd as a sysadmin I've went "gahh, this is needlessly complex right now...but I can totally see how this approach would be great for a mobile OS". If anything, SailfishOS is the one place that systemd is 100% justified in being ;)06:58
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r0kk3rzits not even that though, if you want to swap out a fairly core piece then you'd want a good reason for doing that07:33
r0kk3rzso far anyone thats come in here and asked about removing systemd, the best answer they can come up with is `i don't like it`07:34
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Ingvixhow could I use lrelease command outside the building process of Sailfish SDK? I want to use it to only one file09:23
Ingvixis it located somewhere in mersdk?09:23
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leszekIngvix: I guess the qm files are architecture dependent. So you need to ssh into the sdk and chroot I think the sb2 tool can be used for that to the target architecture and then use lrelease to create the qm file09:26
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Ingvixyes, I have ssh connection to mersdk already09:26
leszekI think sb2 can also directly executes commands see its help. I forgot how to use it and always see the help options on how to use it09:27
IngvixI look in to it, thanks09:28
leszekand you need some packages for this installed I guess aswell. Though they might be already installed the lrelease binary I mean09:28
Ingvixuh, I wonder what's the corresponding command. sd2 command does not exist09:33
Ingvixsb2 I mean09:33
Ingvixwhops, it seems I actually typed sd2 first...09:33
Ingvixsb2 do exist09:33
r0kk3rzsb2 -t [your-target-here] [commands go here]09:34
r0kk3rz-R if you need root09:34
r0kk3rzbtw targets autocomplete, which is nice09:35
Ingvixwell I opened the shell with just sb2 already09:35
Ingvixthough what are the targets in this context?09:36
leszekarmv7hl and i48609:36
Ingvixah, right09:36
leszekthough they are called Sailfish something something. Use autocomplete09:36
Ingvixyes, it auto-opened SailfishOS-i48609:37
r0kk3rzsb2 is a cross compilation tool, so the targets are whatever you're cross compiling to09:40
Ingvixyes, I got that09:43
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IngvixHow do I sort of define default language for page if there's no translation for the system language? The translation ids aren't too pretty to watch09:49
Ingvixis it possibly by default en_GB or eng_en?09:51
IngvixI made only en_US so far09:51
Ingvixdoesn't seem to be those...09:53
Ingvix't know what else could it be09:54
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IngvixAh, it was engineering english but it required "_" before the eng_en though other languages have "-"10:03
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leszeksomeone already did some ground work for the pulseaudio droid module and compatibility regarding newer pulseaudio versions?10:22
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King_DuckZhi, from what I read around, flashing sfos on xperiax from linux works just fine, but it can't be stated publically because sony10:31
King_DuckZis that correct?10:31
r0kk3rzsomething like this10:31
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leszekthere is only one officially supported flashing way by sony basically10:32
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r0kk3rzsomeone already pulled the .ftf you need, so you can flash with with linux flashtool10:32
leszekKing_DuckZ: I plan to do a tutorial on how to flash the official image with the official tool under linux using virtualbox and a windows vm10:32
King_DuckZyes yes, but I have no windows and I have no intention of getting one, or even spend the time to figure out how it works10:32
King_DuckZleszek: ah I think I saw your post on diaspora, I read that10:33
King_DuckZleszek: but I'm more interested in what r0kk3rz is saying right now ;)10:33
leszekyeah unofficial but also possible. See talk.maemo.org10:34
King_DuckZI haven't seen much about this unofficial way on diaspora, it's a shame nobody from the community even mentions this10:35
King_DuckZis it because there are risks associated, or just becauso nobody took the time to post?10:35
King_DuckZrisks like bricking, luring the swat, getting a cease & desist... this kind of risks10:36
leszekyou can always do something wrong. In general lots of infos is on already. No one seems to care posting this on diaspora10:37
r0kk3rztbh the sonys seem hard to permanently brick, you have a hardware flash mode10:38
r0kk3rzive put my tablet in a state where it was almost completely unresponsive, but the flash mode still worked10:38
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r0kk3rzi never realised people still use diaspora10:40
King_DuckZbefore I came here to this room it seemed all up in the air, and now I feel like getting sfos straight away... honestly, non-employees of jolla, please do post around, everybody seems to be upset because you can't use linux anymore, and it turns out it's just not true10:40
jakibakileszek: The open source flashtool works perfectly fine for installing the update and the rest is just fastboot, no reason for a vm at all.10:42
leszekjakibaki: might be true. Though in general I want to show the "official" way as I got plenty requests regarding this already10:42
leszekjakibaki: feel free to do a video on using the open source flashtool10:43
King_DuckZleszek: because people (including me) thought that was the only possible way10:43
jakibakileszek: I've already written most of the guide for that way :)
King_DuckZjakibaki: do you mind if I share that link on diaspora? or do you prefer to do it yourself?10:44
jakibakiKing_DuckZ: I'll post the guide as soon as I can test it (at release) on tmo. But if you want to post the wip-stuff there go ahead :)10:46
King_DuckZjakibaki: tmo? you mean the stackoverflow-like thing? I'll share it on diaspora today then, even if it's a wip - people have been outraged because a week before launch it turns out they can't flash SFOS anymore and I'm sure your guide will clear up the misunderstanding10:48 = tmo10:48 = tjc10:48
leszekso a normal forum10:48
jakibakiKing_DuckZ I wasn't even aware of an diaspora community. Could you link them to me?10:48
King_DuckZimo, you guys (community) are keeping stuff too hidden into the circles were regular users don't usually go10:48
King_DuckZjakibaki: just search for the #jolla tag, or #sailfishos even10:49
leszekno need to rush anything. Just wait until the image is out10:49
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r0kk3rzKing_DuckZ: where would you say 'regular users' most frequent?10:49
King_DuckZiono... the jolla blog, diaspora... twitter? I don't go to twitter, but surely other people do10:50
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r0kk3rzthe blog is pretty horrible...10:51
r0kk3rztwattr is ok10:51
King_DuckZI know, but still there's lots of people asking stuff there, not on irc10:52
r0kk3rzand Jaymzz does a good job at fielding questions on the blog, realistically the questions are directed at jolla and not the community there10:52
jakibakiI'll also post the link to the tmo guide to tjc at launch but I want to keep most of the discussion of it at tmo.10:53
King_DuckZr0kk3rz: he does, but being an employee, I'm sure he can't say as much as he would like to, like clearing up this linux misunderstanding for example10:53
King_DuckZjakibaki: please do keep me updated when you do (pvt message is fine), I'll reshare on diaspora10:54
jakibakiGod diaspora is confusing D:10:54
r0kk3rzim not sure there is much of a misunderstanding, the 'official' way is still windows10:55
King_DuckZyeah, social networks... people talking about everything and nothing, tagging random stuff :p10:55
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King_DuckZr0kk3rz: the misunderstanding is that up to 10 minutes ago I thought there was no other way than the official way, like impossible with linux, sorry, go buy a microsoft pc10:56
King_DuckZr0kk3rz: yet there is a guide being written that proves the opposite10:56
jakibakiKing_DuckZ: sledges already posted an other linux-way on the HADK page but I'd argue that using the open source flashtool is a much much better way.10:57
r0kk3rzKing_DuckZ: sure. give us a chance :P the proper images are not even available yet10:57
jakibakiHardware Adaption Kit10:57
jakibakiThe "tutorial" for community builds10:57
King_DuckZeuh... that's another very specific forum, I doubt my mum has an account there either ;)10:58
r0kk3rzits not a forum, its a wiki on sailfishos.org10:58
r0kk3rzbut i agree that jakibaki's way is simpler, and in line with the windows way11:00
King_DuckZyes w/e, non-technical people don't have accounts on github, tjc, tmo, don't go to irc, the only wiki the know about is wikipedia - information in those places need be reachable from generic places11:00
jakibakisledges_ should really consider adding the hint that installing the update via flashtool works just fine.11:01
King_DuckZwhat I can do is I'll ping you guys here more often and share w/e I find out on diaspora11:01
r0kk3rzKing_DuckZ: if you have a jolla account for your device, you have a tjc account...11:02
r0kk3rzall of those places are public, and you dont need an account to view11:02
King_DuckZr0kk3rz: it doesn't matter, non-technical people will never go there on their own, in fact they don't even know that place exists and you can't blame them11:03
jakibakiKing_DuckZ: to be fair non-technical people won't even know of the existence of Sailfish OS11:04
r0kk3rznon-technical people probably shouldnt venture off the beaten path :P11:04
r0kk3rzand as such, if they want help from jolla when it all goes badly, you use the jolla instructions11:04
King_DuckZr0kk3rz: imagine if your lawyer told you duh dude you didn't know this law?? it's written all over in the books in the national library and people in the lawyers club speak about it all the time in the garden11:05
r0kk3rzKing_DuckZ: interesting analogy, i dont think this fits :P11:05
King_DuckZdo you honestly think these guys will ever go to a sailfishos wiki? :D11:06
King_DuckZthey're sfos users nonetheless11:06
r0kk3rzno, but i dont really care :)11:07
jakibakiKing_DuckZ: those user also won't have any problem with using windows for install Sailfish X11:07
r0kk3rznon-technical people probably shouldnt be running random instructions they found on the internet, thats not a good habit for them11:08
King_DuckZr0kk3rz: being a programmer myself I understand what you're saying, but from the outside it feels like you're being snobbish, and that's not going to help sfos imo11:08
r0kk3rzi expect most of them have a technically oriented friend to help them11:08
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King_DuckZhm true true11:08
r0kk3rzim not trying to be an elitist, its just a simple matter of who do they turn to for help11:09
r0kk3rzif its a friend, maybe the friend knows. if they have no such friend they need to turn to jolla11:09
King_DuckZbut guys, the hard facts is that there are linux users expressing their disappointment on the jolla blog11:09
King_DuckZyou still can't expect every single user to actively follow irc and all the sfos-specific circles11:10
r0kk3rzyeah and elsewhere as well, people like to complain about stuff11:11
King_DuckZr0kk3rz: if you read my own post, I'm not complaining, but still nobody gave me an acceptable answer (other than install windows)11:12
r0kk3rzanyway, you're being premature. we have no image download yet, so how can we have good instructions that non-technical people can follow?11:12
leszeka complain is a hidden message that "they care" so the appriopiate answer would be "we listen to you and improve"11:12
r0kk3rzleszek: their complaints are usually directed at jolla, so its their place to answer them11:15
leszekthat is true11:15
leszekand thats what I am complaining since the beginning. Jolla has no one who understands public relations11:15
leszekJames maybe but he has to less to say in terms of PR11:15
King_DuckZeither way, as I said I can try and spread info a bit, but please *please* don't assume that everybody should just know where to look for stuff11:16
r0kk3rzthat would involve people being active in places they currently do not care about11:17
r0kk3rzi dont see that happening11:17
jakibakiKing_DuckZ I think diaspora is about the last place noobs go though :p11:17
King_DuckZleszek: I expect sony to get very upset (and you know they maintain an army of lawyers) if jolla officially stated something that sony expressely forbid11:18
r0kk3rzi dont think they did 'expressely forbid' again, its about the help chain :)11:18
King_DuckZr0kk3rz: sorry but I think that's a mistake11:18
r0kk3rzuser -> jolla -> sony, they each have what they 'officially support'11:19
King_DuckZjakibaki: maybe, but I'm not on facebook/twitter, so that's the best I can do11:19
r0kk3rzsony arent going to support a tool developed by a third-party11:19
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r0kk3rzjolla, if they want sony's support, are going to support the things that sony support11:20
King_DuckZr0kk3rz: sony are pricks, they didn't even know sfos was coming to their device - and where was all the community when they twitted their shameful ignorance?11:20
r0kk3rzhuh? that makes no sense11:20
jakibakiKing_DuckZ what?11:20
r0kk3rzto what tweet are you referring?11:21
r0kk3rzalin jerplea, from sony .se, has been involved from the very start11:21
leszekhmm... I think it makes sense for Jolla as a small company with limited amount for resources to focus on one way to support the device(s). The best is to follow what Sony recommends as everything else could make problems in the future11:21
King_DuckZr0kk3rz: I'll look it up later, but I'm sure somebody (me?) re-shared it on diaspora if you want to look for it11:21
King_DuckZI'm at work right now11:22
r0kk3rzi dont disapora11:22
r0kk3rzKing_DuckZ: anyway, if 'sony are pricks' they wouldnt be letting us do any of this :)11:22
leszekthe only thing you can criticize is that Jollas PR said something completely different before then they are doing now11:22
King_DuckZthen wait a bit til lunch break :)11:22
r0kk3rzthere would be no sailfish x at all11:22
King_DuckZjolla is a company and they have their own nda and legal restrictions, the community however has more freedom to speak about "unofficial" stuff11:23
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r0kk3rzwhat exactly is wrong with that? its accurate11:28
jakibakiKing_DuckZ: oh no the pr-department wasn't informed of this very small project by the open devices department...11:28
r0kk3rzthere is no 'sailfish os based xperia' and probably wont be, certainly nothing sony has illuded to ever11:29
King_DuckZit's derogatory, imo11:29
King_DuckZand also, how many people actually port an os to xperia?? surely they know about each of them (1? 2?)11:30
r0kk3rztheir focus is on android, which should come as no surprise to anyone11:30
King_DuckZ"a device with such software" -> they could've caled it by its name, instead of being like we never heard about this nameless thing11:31
r0kk3rzi think you're reading too much into it11:32
jakibakiKing_DuckZ: Now you're just trying to find problems with that tweet...11:32
r0kk3rz*that* is a statement from sony on Sailfish X11:32
King_DuckZit could be, yes11:32
jakibakir0kk3rz: Those comments are even worse than those under the Jolla-Blog :D11:33
King_DuckZhah so they *do* know11:33
jakibakiKing_DuckZ: That's a different department11:33
r0kk3rzof course they know... they've been involved from the start11:33
jakibakiKing_DuckZ: Unlike Jolla Sony has more than 1 pr person11:33
r0kk3rzwe met the sony open device people at FOSDEM :)11:34
King_DuckZbtw the twitter dude is called sonyxperia11:34
King_DuckZif he doesn't know...11:34
King_DuckZI still think it's a blunder sony made, not sure why people get so upset when jolla's pr fails, but are all forgiving when sony's pr fails11:35
IngvixI wonder if there's any realistic hope for sailfish to be officially ported to xperia x performance or should I sell it and just buy the regular xperia11:37
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satmdhm? what did I miss?11:39
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r0kk3rzKing_DuckZ: it was a completely accurate statement, i dont really see that as a PR fail at all11:55
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flesk__Sony made a statement?14:37
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flesk__I don't think the problem is that information about an unofficial way to flash SailfishX isn't "out there". The problem is more ideological, the way I see it: The only official way to put GNU/Linux on your Linux device is to use Windows. Doesn't feel right to me either way.14:42
M4rtinKflesk__: yep, exactly14:42
r0kk3rzflesk__: do you have an xperia x? have you unlocked its bootloader?14:43
M4rtinKthe main problem is bad PR, not insurmountable technical issues14:43
flesk__r0kk3rz: Yes, I have one, but no, I haven't done anything with it. I was waiting for the official installer.14:44
M4rtinKcoupled with the glacial progress with open sourcing the Jolla made parts of Sailfish OS14:44
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M4rtinKmakes it sometimes a hard sell to less pragmatical and more FOSS people14:45
r0kk3rzflesk__: ok so *before* unlocking the bootloader, use OTA updates to update all the way (hopefully to version 34.3)14:45
r0kk3rzthe theory is once you do that, you shouldnt need Emma/Flashtool to do anything14:46
r0kk3rzbut all us porters have already unlocked, so OTA doesnt work anymore, and we cant test it :)14:46
flesk__r0kk3rz: Thanks, but I'm not sure if I'm going to install Sailfish on it anymore.14:47
r0kk3rzflesk__: as you wish, but it would help us out14:48
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flesk__r0kk3rz: I'm amazed by the work you porters have done, so my beef definitely isn't with you. Still very disappointed with Jolla and Sony though.14:50
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r0kk3rzflesk__: i really dont understand why, Sony has actually been quite kind to us14:50
M4rtinKthe windows only flash tool aside14:52
r0kk3rzthe fact that they've helped us at all, for zero gain on their side, is kinda amazing really14:52
M4rtinKthe Sony cooperation pretty much exceeded my expectation14:52
r0kk3rzM4rtinK: you want sony to release a linux flash tool just for us?14:52
r0kk3rzthat would be really nice of them, but... yeah.14:52
M4rtinKlike, they have actual Sony engineers they can talk to & who do changes that benefit Sailfish OS14:53
M4rtinKthat's pretty huge14:53
r0kk3rzno other company would allow this14:53
M4rtinKhopefully a start of a longer partnership14:53
M4rtinKwell, BQ did a lot of custom stuff for Ubuntu Touch, but they were selling the devices to people as well14:54
r0kk3rzyeah, they had a commerical partnership14:55
r0kk3rzi dont think sony is making any money from this, maybe selling a few remaining phones14:55
M4rtinKI fully expected this to be just about making use of the open device program to get a Sailfish OS image installed14:57
M4rtinKso seeing both companies working together is really nice14:57
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IoangogoHi, im currently having a issue with the sailfish store on a One Plus one i flashed using magic device tool, when i try and install something it sends a notifcation that it failed to intall, from looking at the store it downloads and then fails,  sorry if this is the wrong channel15:14
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King_DuckZflesk__: I agree, and that's the second blunder from sony: two weeks before the launch of sfos they make this policy that upset sfos users -_-15:17
King_DuckZit shows that either they don't have a clue about what's going on, or they simply couldn't care less15:18
r0kk3rzKing_DuckZ: you misunderstand whats going on, nobody made any 'policy' :P15:18
r0kk3rzwe were bending over backwards to flash these blobs in a hacky fashion, Sony comes along and says 'hey we'll make this easy for you' and solves the problem15:19
r0kk3rzthats not a 'blunder' thats being a top bloke15:20
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King_DuckZfrom james noori: "The instructions for the new requirement from Sony to Jolla are brand new. That’s what really matters here."15:21
King_DuckZrequirement, policy, call it whatever, it's a new rule that came into effect last week15:21
flesk__r0kk3rz: It bothers me for the reasons I mentioned. They could have not released an official tool at all, and that would have been better.15:22
King_DuckZr0kk3rz: being good for telling "now you're required to use windows"? I disagree :/15:23
King_DuckZflesk__: +115:23
r0kk3rzmeh, if you want to hate on a company thats actually being really nice to us, then go ahead15:23
King_DuckZflesk__: or make it work on linux, make this emma thing open source etc etc15:23
King_DuckZlike the guys from 8bitdo, for example, with their firmware update process15:24
flesk__At least then they wouldn't have tainted the massive FOSS effort that has gone into this.15:24
jakibakiKing_DuckZ: There already is flashtool which is essentially emma with extra features.15:24
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r0kk3rzflesk__: you do understand that sailfish os is proprietary right?...15:24
King_DuckZjakibaki: <   r0kk3rz> we were bending over backwards to flash these blobs in a hacky fashion15:24
jakibakiIt being not endorsed by sony doesn't hurt anyone beyond that they'll have to *shudder* follow unoffical instructions.15:25
M-schmittlauchr0kk3rz: So does this "hack backwards-bending" way of flashing under Linux still work? Or was there a necessity to change the image format?15:25
jakibakiM-schmittlauch: There is a less hacky way to flash on linux by using flashtool :) No need to revert to the old one.15:25
r0kk3rzM-schmittlauch: sledges is maintaining instructions on the sailfishos wiki15:26
M-schmittlauchjakibaki: also good. But probably just not officially supported for manpower & policy reasons, right?15:26
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jakibakiM-schmittlauch: I don't think Sony would like it if Jolla endorsed an unofficial flashtool so yeah.15:27
King_DuckZjakibaki: I'm all for this "unofficial" way in reality, but it's all over the blog that you *must* use emma, no other option offered15:27
King_DuckZjakibaki: which brings me back to the discussion we had this morning15:27
jakibakiM-schmittlauch (my wip guide of the linux/macOS way)15:27
jakibakiKing_DuckZ: they won't mention an unofficial way because that can be read as an endorsement which could result in people expecting support from Jolla when it turned out that this way causes trouble.15:29
King_DuckZjakibaki: yes, I understand that part15:29
jakibaki(besides all the legal stuff that I have no idea of)15:29
King_DuckZthe simple way that would have avoided alienating half the users and all the consequent discussions would have been sony saying hey use flashtool on linux or our crappy emma shit on windows! yay everybody happy15:31
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r0kk3rzyeah, because sony would support a third-party tool. lol.15:31
jakibakir0kk3rz an third-party tool which has more features than their first part tool. So even worse.15:32
flesk__r0kk3rz: Yes, not fully FOSS.15:34
flesk__I'm fine with that. I use proprietary drivers in my desktop computers too, and I have a RHEL license at work.15:35
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flesk__Another thing: How many Windows users are likely to be eager to install a new Linux OS? Mostly dual-booters maybe? To me it seems a bit like they're alienating much of their target demographic in favor of a demographic that might not be all that big. Not that it's very mainstream to begin with, of course.16:13
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M4rtinKflesk__: well, RHEL is 100% open source16:39
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M4rtinKflesk__: the ISV provided software running on top might not be, but RHEL is16:39
M4rtinKflesk__: as for Windows users installing a Linux OS on their phones - actually I think that's quite a few people16:41
M4rtinKshockingly maybe even the majority16:41
M4rtinKI think such people might not really see Sailfish OS as Linux/open/etc.16:42
M4rtinKbut as an Android alternative16:42
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M4rtinKthat can still run Android apps, without much of the cruft & privacy issues16:42
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flesk__M4rtinK: Yeah, I'm probably completely out of touch because that's another thing I just don't understand: How can people be privacy sensitive and/or against DRM and still have no problem with Windows?16:54
flesk__I mean beyond making Facebook groups about their concerns, etc.16:54
jakibakiflesk__: A lot of people only use their computer for gaming and do the sensitive stuff on phone+tablets.16:57
M4rtinKjakibaki: same PoV17:02
M4rtinKthere is a lot of sensitive stuff on a phone you might not have on a PC17:03
M4rtinKadress book/phone numbers17:03
M4rtinKeven emails if you use webmail on PC, as people are more likely to use native app on mobile for email17:03
flesk__M4rtinK: I hadn't thought of that, but that makes sense.17:04
flesk__It doesn't apply to most of those people I know though, but I can image it's true for a lot of people.17:05
M4rtinKI'm not that well versed in how the XDA developers community works17:05
M4rtinKbut IIRC a lot of them use Windows on desktop as well17:06
M4rtinKthere are instructions for Windows, etc.17:06
r0kk3rznot everyone is all about the privacy, some of us just want to hack about with stuff17:08
r0kk3rzprivacy is a battle we lost a long time ago17:08
M4rtinKwell, that doesn't mean things can't be improved17:09
M4rtinK& made as hard as possible to people wanting to profit from the data gathered17:09
M4rtinKeq. why make it easy for them17:10
M4rtinKthat's one reason why I like the new Sailfish OS subscription model17:10
M4rtinKwhere you pay upfront instead of basically paying with your personal data as with Android and iOS17:11
r0kk3rzyou'd basically have to live like stallman, and most people arent prepared to do that17:11
M4rtinKI'm not saying you have to be as extreme as he is17:11
M4rtinKjust that it's a topic that should not be ignored17:12
r0kk3rzmaybe, but most people are already owned several times over that they basically stopped caring17:13
M4rtinKanother thing good about the subscription model IMHO is17:14
M4rtinKthat it motivates the OS vendor to keep supporting older hardware17:14
M4rtinKas long as there are subscribers on it17:14
M4rtinKvs the normal model where you just want to sell a new device and not updating the old device is a good way to achieve that17:15
r0kk3rzwill enough people keep paying for it to be worth jollas while?17:20
r0kk3rzpeople that are clearly easily upset and engage boycott mode, which obviously gets them what they want :)17:20
M4rtinKthat will certainly be interesting to see17:21
M4rtinKthere is certainly quite some demand17:21
M4rtinKgiven how IIRC the idea of basically selling officially supported images for third party hardware was kinda frowned upon17:22
M4rtinK"who would want that ?", etc.17:22
M4rtinK"it's too complicated"17:22
M4rtinKetc. etc.17:22
r0kk3rz'quite some demand' how would you estimate this?17:23
r0kk3rz10s? 100s? 1000s?17:23
M4rtinK1) lot's of new faces on IRC/together/talk.maemo.org17:23
tbrmeeeeelions </drevil>17:23
M4rtinK2) capacity problems when Jolla started the Sailfish X website17:24
M4rtinK3) quite a few articles on random tech sites17:24
r0kk3rzthere wasnt capacity problems, there was a region block problem :)17:24
M4rtinKnothing really conclusive, but still17:24
M4rtinKI know17:24
M4rtinKbut it went down a few times before that17:24
M4rtinKalso the account server17:24
r0kk3rzprobably just pketo17:25
M4rtinKSlashdot effect :)17:25
r0kk3rzpketo: sorry, just idly speculating :)17:26
M4rtinKit used to be that website wold crumble under load when mentioned on Slashdot17:26
M4rtinK=> Slashdot effect :)17:26
r0kk3rzhasnt been like that for years though, now its all about the reddit hug17:26
M4rtinKsame thing basically17:26
M4rtinKbut the modern CDN often spoil the fun17:27
M4rtinKin any case at least from my experience17:27
M4rtinKsome people I know who have always been interested in Sailfish OS17:27
M4rtinKbut were not using it yet due to bad hardware availability17:28
M4rtinKare getting Xperias to run Sailfish OS on it :)17:28
r0kk3rzid certainly be curious to see numbers17:29
r0kk3rzbut from what ive seen its still 10s, not 100s17:29
M4rtinKI guess Jolla Store/OpenRepos stats might give a clue17:29
M4rtinKyou can watch for peaks17:30
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King_DuckZhello again19:24
King_DuckZis it ok if I get an operator locked xperia? or does it have to be unlocked?19:24
King_DuckZhmm too bad, this one looked super nice
King_DuckZbut the dude says he's not sure if it's locked or not19:26
jakibakiKing_DuckZ: Ask him to do this:
King_DuckZjakibaki: ok19:29
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korakSo there any place to go for info about running this on other phones or is it pretty much the Jolla and xperia only?20:21
coderuskorak: what dis?20:22
korakI was interested in trying to run Sailfish on my LG G3.20:23
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r0kk3rzkorak: huh, the only lg phones we have ported are the nexus ones20:33
r0kk3rzkorak: do you have lineageos for that device?20:34
korakYeah, I am running lineageos currently.20:34
korakIn looking around I kind of got the impression sailfish probably wasn't ported to the G320:35
r0kk3rzyeah if you have lineage 13 or 14 you can try building it yourself20:36
r0kk3rz#sailfishos-porters is the porting channel20:37
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flesk__According to a few sources, including ModMy (, Emma is a Java-application. Doesn't seem like it would require a huge effort from Sony to officially support Linux (and Mac) then?22:36
jakibakiflesk__: I don't think using java makes porting much easier with low-level stuff.22:51
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