Tuesday, 2018-02-27

olKabouik_: I presume, approach would be the same as installing it in Alien Dalvik: using unofficial packages. Like this: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/opengapps-pico-installer00:29
Kabouik_Good, thanks!00:29
Kabouik_I thought so too, but someone on a forum insinuated that Anbox wouldn't be able to run many applications without Services00:30
olBut be aware that this installer is for Jolla C only.00:31
olYou may have more luck using this: http://opengapps.org/00:32
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Kabouik_Thanks ol.00:45
Kabouik_Just need to get my hands on Anbox first now. :p00:46
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Acou_BassKabouik_: FWIW with alien dalvik ive had decent success using microG + Yalp store01:00
Acou_Bassmight be worth a go if you can be bothered messing with it01:00
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Kabouik_I am using Yalp quite often with Dalvik actually, just was wondering about Anbox02:04
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jpetrelldcaliste, chriadam: hello07:59
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dcalisteGood morning jpetrell.07:59
jpetrellmorning :)07:59
dcalisteHello Chris, wish you're good.08:01
jpetrellso MWC launch happened :)08:02
jpetrelltried installing the https://build.merproject.org/project/show/home:dcaliste:OpenPGP in the morning, but there were some conflicts on my devel device due to internal config, which I need to sort (nothing required from you)08:02
jpetrellchecked the UI you have so far, you have put signature indicator in email viewer, and added combo box hidden inside expander with options to choose the right key "No signing", multiple "key_name <name@domain.com>"08:02
jpetrelldoes it use sailfish-secrets yet?08:03
dcalisteNot yet, no.08:03
chriadam_probably still waiting on a couple of things from me08:03
dcalisteWhat you can test is the old code from last year.08:03
chriadam_I've been sidetracked for the past 3 days, so haven't been able to progress that yet08:03
dcalisteThat's why you have to install several minor packages to provide the GPG QML components.08:04
jpetrellI thought I had overall understanding of the design, but understood from chriadam that the initial system has limitation of keys only being accessible by one process, the one who added them08:04
jpetrellnormally implement UIs inside modules imported by both the app and related settings08:04
jpetrellbut this time we need to keep the setup inside email app I guess08:05
dcalisteIn a first implementation, the keys, and availability of the keys for a given email address can be done "manually" through gpgme.08:05
dcalisteThen, keeping the same UI, we can migrate this manual thingy to a gpgme plugin inside secret.08:06
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jpetrelldcaliste: getting the contribution agreement has been slow due to our legal being busy with other matters. I have sent reminder mails regularly and keep doing so08:07
* tortoisedoc shrugs08:07
dcalisteTechnically, the QMF plugin just requires a string to identify the key for signature or encryption.08:07
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dcalisteAbout the contribution agreement, thank you for pushing it. I talk with my boss about yesterday and he agreed about it. So it's all clear from my side.08:08
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dcalisteTo go back to the current work in secret, I've almost finished the design and implementation of a pinentry based on secret, see my pinentry branch in github.08:09
dcalisteIt will replace the need of the app pinentry in the current demo.08:10
dcalisteIt's also better, because it is not reimplementing a gpg-agent like in the demo, but use the official GnuPG one and just implement the pinentry side.08:10
dcalisteAbout the pinentry, chriadam_ was kind to quickly implement all requirements from secret side, basically using secretRequest, storeRequest and interactionRequest.08:12
chriadam_interaction request PR still needs some fixes, thanks for the review there08:13
chriadam_also the CollectionRequest is still TODO08:13
chriadam_but yes, should be soon08:13
dcalisteYep, about the collection, I'm always creating it on startup, discarding the already existing error, if any.08:13
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dcalisteTo integrate it further and test the UI flow, I'm waiting for the system password plugin. In the mean time, this week, I'll follow chriadam_ advice to always return the proper passphrase and test the S/MIME implementation in QMF.08:15
chriadam_dcaliste: the system password plugin may take a bit longer before it's merged - andrew mentioned that it might be cleaner to provide a registration dbus API rather than require an in-process plugin.  I need to investigate that.08:16
chriadam_(I mean, it's an implementation detail from the client perspective, so potentially we can ship an initial version as-is, and fix things later, but prefer to do it right from the start..)08:16
tango_blap: any news on the tracking number?08:16
blapi sent email this morning08:17
dcalistechriadam_: no problem, mature it as required, don't rush. I need to create unit tests for the S/MIME part in QMF anyway before testing full stack integration.08:17
tango_blap: ok thanks, I'll recheck later08:18
dcalisteIt was interesting to work on the pinentry to validate the corresponding PR and feasability anyway.08:19
chriadam_and definitely produced good feedback for us.  we need to do more internal validation on the apis etc - after MWC hopefully will have more resources...08:20
jpetrellI need to finish few open tasks, but then will start looking into signing area08:20
jpetrellwhether or not the keys can only be access by one process we can have shared UI module for signature indicator, signature details page, signature picker, etc.08:20
jpetrellnot sure where I should start looking yet, the domain is quite new to me08:20
chriadam_jpetrell: aside from UI things, would be useful to have someone who could work on the openssl crypto plugin (implement ciphers other than AES, key sizes other than 128, block modes other than CBC, etc)08:21
chriadam_and also the sign/verify functionality08:21
chriadam_while I work on the master-lock requirements.08:21
dcalisteJpetrell, I guess the best way to look into it is to use it on the desktop in your mail client. Then, you can play with the gpg2 command line tool to view keys, add new ones…08:22
dcalistePlaying with the cli tool allow you to understand clearly what are the data and what can be important to have in the UI, and what is less important info.08:23
jpetrellchriadam_: I can try, let's see08:23
dcalistechriadam_: the sign/verification can be done easily via a gpgme plugin.08:23
jpetrellwould be nice to get the flows up-and-running, and see what are the missing pieces08:23
dcalisteThe API is almost one to one last time I looked at.08:24
dcalistechriadam_: would you be interested in the coming weeks to have this kind of gpgme plugin in secret?08:25
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chriadam_yes - adding a gpgme-backed crypto plugin is probably a good idea.  not sure about process/memory security though08:26
dcalisteall crypto operations through gpgme are done in a separated process and discuss via IPC with libassuan.08:27
dcalistediscuss, I mean exchanged…08:28
chriadam_we will need to consider things like "which IPC endpoints are allowed between secretsd and other processes" when we implement SELinux / MAC08:28
chriadam_but this will provide a good test case anyway, aside from being useful in general08:28
dcalisteThe advantage of this plug-in would be to abstract through a common API for Sailfish all the key management / usage done by GnuPG.08:30
chriadam_yes - and will provide a good validation of the API if something like jolla-email (or qmf) can do the sign/verify through the secrets/crypto API (unless I'm misunderstanding)08:31
jpetrellAre we done? continue next week? :)08:33
chriadam_yes - nothing more from me.  should be some PRs / updates over the next few days from my side, hopefully.08:34
dcalisteI thought much if it's a good idea or not to use the secret API for QMF plugin. I'm still undecided, I guess the gpgme is better for broader audience.08:34
dcalistejpetrell, yes, it's fine, thank you for joining and making this go on.08:35
chriadam_ok, let's consider this more at the next meeting - my brain isn't working right now, lots of things going on ;-)08:35
chriadam_in the meantime I'll work on the concrete things I have, and we can try to be a bit more concrete about steps for that one, next meeting, I think08:36
jpetrellI'll play with dcaliste's proto and get acquinted in the domain. but like said first want to finish few half-done items on my backlog before I start at full speed08:36
chriadam_thanks dcaliste and jpetrell :-)08:37
jpetrellThanks  :)08:38
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dcalistethank you also and th best for the  MWC.08:39
jpetrelldcaliste: cheers :)08:40
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blaphttps://kek.gg/i/479HZC.png  have you seen irc art that good before?09:41
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x2sI have never seen IRC art before...09:50
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jwalckblap: well played:)10:16
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x2s.oO( ugh, when you make a call and all of a sudden the network changes from LTE to GSM and you have a hard time to understand the other person... )11:11
tortoisedoclocusf : I cant message you apparently some services are needed?11:20
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locusfyeah freenode registration11:23
locusfsorry about that11:23
tortoisedocheh no problem11:24
tortoisedocim on web chat so i dont know if i can register11:25
locusfyou should be able to11:26
locusfI guess11:26
locusfits a drag to identify though11:26
locusfand using matrix requires freenode identification in order to _receive_ private messages11:27
tortoisedocwhere are you working :P11:29
locusfright now at home11:31
blapsetting youtube to playback 3gp uses very little cpu11:32
tortoisedocblap : on sfos?11:32
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locusfdamn, -29C tomorrow morning11:34
locusfthat includes windchill11:34
tortoisedocheh yeah11:34
tortoisedocfreezed my face twice whilst walking to bus todya11:34
tortoisedocthe fact I forgot my scarf didnt help btw11:35
locusfmy specs steam up if I use a scarf11:36
tortoisedocgotta love freenode's advice on the password creation : Replace password with a secure, unguessable password that you keep secret.11:37
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tortoisedocblap : have you built xnu yet?=11:52
^7heoisn't there a fork of xnu that goes by the name snu?11:54
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^7heoblap: please.12:09
blapback in 1987 i got access to bitnet12:09
blapand logged into my friend's account with a guessed password a couple of states away12:10
blapwas fun12:10
^7heoback in 1337 I hacked the pentagon secret archive using only syn packets12:10
blapplease don't lie ^7heo12:11
^7heoand exfiltrated documents that started the rumor about rosevelt's alien12:11
^7heowas fun12:11
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* tortoisedoc goes and checks it out12:37
tortoisedochey ^7heo snu is south korean national university on google :|12:38
tortoisedocs/south korean/seul/12:38
^7heotortoisedoc: https://memegenerator.net/instance/75655333/death-by-snu-snu-death-by-xnu-xnu12:41
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^7heothat was a long running joke that I just revived here12:41
tortoisedocepic success you got blap to quit it seems12:54
tortoisedochmm just noticed this darwin kernel has an x86_64 target12:54
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leszek1new qtwebkit 5.212 builds are available from here: https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:leszek/qtwebkit5212-wHtml5Audio+Video13:25
leszek1feature smoother and faster scrolling aswell as lots of bugfixes13:25
leszek1xperia x problem still persist though13:25
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^7heotortoisedoc: no he quat on the next second I posted that link13:31
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RotkaeqpchenHi there, I'd like to know if and how Sailfish OS will be available for the Nokia 3310 (as seen at MWC2018)13:47
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RotkaeqpchenIs it an flashable rom that can be downloaded or will there be a special edition Nokia 3310 for sale13:47
r0kk3rznot yet announced13:47
RotkaeqpchenI see13:47
r0kk3rzand i dont think its actually a Nokia device, it just mostly looks like one13:47
M4rtinKI don't think they published any timeline for that one13:48
M4rtinKsame with Gemini PDA13:48
RotkaeqpchenWell, wouldn't it make sense to just offer a flashable ROM like on the Xperia X?13:48
M4rtinKso I'm personally not taking those two really seriously for that reason13:48
RotkaeqpchenWhat do you guys think?13:48
M4rtinKthey did the same thing in the past (proof of concept ports & hardware, like with the SFOS watch)13:49
RotkaeqpchenDidn't know about that, thanks13:49
RotkaeqpchenWell, it just looks so cute to see Sailfish on a Nokia 3310 :D13:49
M4rtinKand official ports have a non trivial cost of support13:49
M4rtinKon the other hand I guess a community port might not be out of the question once/if they release the keyboard-only support bits as part of SFOS313:50
M4rtinKmight be a good topic for the community meeting :)13:50
ElleoM4rtinK: I think the Gemini PDA people have been doing their own porting, they mentioned in a recent email that they'd be providing a flashing tool with Sailfish, Debian, Ubuntu and Postmarket ROMs and it sounds like the Sailfish one is probably the furthest along (seems to be the only one with 4G support so far)13:51
M4rtinKin any case definitely looks nice & hope it might improve the landscape experience :)13:52
ElleoI'm tempted to get one and stick Sailfish and UBPorts on it, since my old Jolla fell in a canal a while back13:53
Elleoso I've been a bit out of the Sailfish ecosystem for a while13:53
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M4rtinKdon't even talk about Sailfish OS devices falling to the ground13:56
M4rtinKnot today (my Xperia had little accident yesterday) :P13:56
abransonElleo: are you the cutespot Elleo?13:57
Elleoabranson: yep13:57
Elleoalthough I haven't worked on the Sailfish version for quite a long time13:58
abransoncool, thanks for that! though it's not really in a very healthy state at the moment, but spotify's to blame for that.13:59
abransoni hope they sort out their apis soon - i miss it. so much nicer than the android app.14:00
Elleoyeah, they never produced the Linux library they were promising after they deprecated libspotify unfortunately14:00
abransonit doesn't need much - they have a rest api for all the browsing etc. all it has to do is handle the actual music file playing14:01
tortoisedocabranson : I wonder if an android servie14:06
tortoisedoc*service could do the job14:06
tortoisedocas its unlikely that they will release a vanilla linux, ever :(14:06
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tortoisedocElleo ^14:08
tortoisedocI also miss cutespot14:08
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presentThere is a Spotify Web API in beta.14:20
presentThe drawback is that their oaut2 protocol needs a client secret. :/14:20
presentAnd that Qt Oauth is in Qt5.914:21
r0kk3rzpresent: piggz said he did some app using oauth using a library14:26
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tadzikI wrote myself an oauth client for opencaching, perhaps that can be of help14:33
tortoisedocgotta love naming eh14:40
tortoisedocid still say backporting is the better option14:40
tortoisedocbtw qtauth is in 5.8 afaik?14:40
tadziknaming reflects my feelings towards oauth ;)14:42
tadzikI guess it's a wonderful idea when you're writing a server, but a major PITA when you're writing a client, like I always find myself doing14:42
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tortoisedocheh thats the idea behind oauth no? put the burden of control on the client :)14:43
tadzikI thought the idea behind oauth is sticking a hot poker up your butt and trying to say "yay security" through your clenched teeth :P14:44
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tortoisedoctadzik : as long as the server is not involved in anything that has to do with security, sure why not :P14:55
tadzikprecisely, the server!14:56
tadzikI get the idea behind oauth if you're writing the server, totally14:56
tadzikbut when you write the client, and want it or not distributing the "secret" keys with your app, it's just dumb14:57
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tadzikhmm indeed15:08
r0kk3rzi wonder how it works15:13
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x2ssounds like Python with a webkit binding.15:14
x2sand a lot like the not-invented-here syndrome.15:15
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tadzikwell, it looks strongly typed, which would already make it a nice alternative to python in my book15:18
tadzikit's also not webkit, which makes it a very solid alternative to webkit in my book :P15:18
r0kk3rzi'm not suggesting you go out of your way to use it15:18
r0kk3rzim wondering about making it work on sailfish15:18
tadzikwith a silica theme perhaps, alongside the material and cupertino? Hm15:19
r0kk3rzit appears to draw using vulkan15:19
r0kk3rzmeh silica15:20
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tadzikooh, shiny15:21
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presenttadzik: Thanks for the link!15:49
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tadzikyou're welcome :)15:50
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blapnot-invented-here .. yeah germany was like that with ADSL for many years16:23
blapfirst adsl integrated modems were what, 1995?16:23
blapmotorola i think16:24
blap"here world, you can have crazy speed over existing copper infrastructure!"16:24
blapgermany: "vat?  but ve have ze isdn which is dscherman and 10x slower but ve like it bettah"16:24
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M4rtinKATM FTW!16:27
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r0kk3rzpeople complain, but theres lots of good reasons for NIH syndrome16:34
leszekso the xperia xa2 demo image isn't available somewhere?16:36
M4rtinKI've seen some news articles mentioning "summer" for the XA2 image16:37
r0kk3rzleszek: sony havent released the xa2 open devices stuff yet, so no16:37
M4rtinKbut I've not seen it anywhere in the official Jolla materials16:37
leszekr0kk3rz: maybe someone dd'ed the image of off the device they showed on mwc :P16:38
M4rtinKso I wonder if they are mixed up with the original X release maybe ?16:38
M4rtinKr0kk3rz: interesting - maybe another sign of closer cooperation with Sony ? :)16:38
r0kk3rzleszek: :D id like to see someone do that16:38
r0kk3rzM4rtinK: well they did get prototype devices...16:38
leszekinconspicuous take it in the hand insert a micro sd card boot in recovery mode plug it in via usb c and dd :)16:39
M4rtinKthose were XA2 prototypes ?16:39
r0kk3rzwe're good friends with alin @ sony swe these days16:39
M4rtinKit seems to commercially available now16:40
M4rtinKcool :)16:40
leszekthe xa2 final that I have hear also feels a bit like a prototype though16:40
leszekdamn autocorrect16:40
r0kk3rzoh you bought one already?16:41
leszekmine arrived today xD16:41
leszekWhen it was announced (ans also that it will be part of Open Device Program) and I saw the XA2 I was anticipating it might be the next SailfishOS device.16:42
leszekand I got a good deal 30€s off16:42
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KrockHello. I came here to make an use of an old Samsung Galaxy Player YP-GS1. ARM Cortex-A8, OMAP3. Is there any chance to get a functional system on that device?17:50
r0kk3rzKrock: do you have sources?17:50
Krockr0kk3rz, sorry, I started today with the research and rooting.. what exactly are you asking?17:51
r0kk3rzthings like kernel sources for that device17:52
r0kk3rzhas anyone made a cyanogenmod or lineageos port for it?17:53
Krockyes, here's a CM 10 port for it: https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-player/development/3-6-samsung-s-wifi-3-6-cyanogenmod-10-t304612917:53
Krock^ which seems to be malfunctioning everywhere17:54
r0kk3rzmalfunctioning isnt good :(17:55
r0kk3rzbut you can certainly try if you want, join #sailfishos-porters and read the HADK .pdf linked in the topic there17:56
Krockalready found that document :)17:56
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Krockhowever, libhybris only has a poor support for a similar (and possibly slightly newer) model, Galaxy S17:58
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r0kk3rzthat information is certainly quite old18:00
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r0kk3rzbut if nobody has made a well working cm port, then that doesnt really bode well18:03
Krocknevertheless "You may also want to verify that the CM build for your device is fully functional". The above linked CM version is already installed (thanks friend) - modern apps work but the camera glitches (green color), issues with accessing the internal storage plus performance issues with the GPU aren't that promising18:05
Krockso probably I'm just wasting my time with this18:05
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wdehoogleszek1: is it by design that your new webkit packages have a lower version number?20:20
wdehoogzypper does not list them as updateable (lu)20:21
wdehoogshould I download and install them manually?20:21
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leszek1They have a lower version number? Hmm... maybe obs messes up20:26
leszek1or I did mess up :P20:29
leszek1wdehoog: so what are the version number so I can take a look at the spec file.20:29
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wdehoogleszek1: new version from today: 5.212.0-10.56.1, old from november 5.212.0-10.66.220:30
wdehoogzypper in libqtwebkit5=5.212.0-10.56.1.jolla says I need to add --force20:31
wdehoogunfortunately --force leads to regret and tears most of the time20:32
leszek1the 10.56 stuff is what obs adds itself20:33
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wdehoogso the 66 might come from the revision from the spec file of the older package20:42
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wdehoogsuppose you disable building the older packages will they be removed from the repo?20:43
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leszek1wdehoog: seems like it20:57
leszek1wdehoog: I think the issue is that I have one qtwebkit build with html5 audio+video support and one with it disabled. Both create the same packages and end up in the same repo. That might end up in a conflict. Guess no one thought about it in OBS20:59
leszek1wdehoog: the non html5 audio+video version did not get an update20:59
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leszek1and the latest html5 audio+video version is broken. Only creates an whit page instead of showing the webpage as I experimented with turning BGRA completely off for qtwebkit as the Xperia X has buggy drivers or hybris that has problems with it21:00
wdehoogaha. so mine won't work now (I just installed them all with --force)21:01
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wdehoogindeed. white pages21:02
leszek1wdehoog: I will probably build some new packages with bgra enabled again if not some miracle happens and someone from qtwebkit tells me how to make it work somehow21:04
leszek1but ultimatively I annoyed them enough already and I am pretty sure they will say fix your bgra in the driver jolla21:04
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wdehoogleszek1: I do hope you find a solution. webcat with your 5.212 libs works quit nice21:09
leszek1wdehoog: I don't want to give up hope. But it could be a general issue not easily fixable on the Xperia X21:12
wdehoogleszek1: I have a oneplus one. don't know what bgra is, why it is needed or if it works on it21:16
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leszek1wdehoog: better not to know otherwise you now the colorspace RGB BGR is something similar just with an A which is alpha channel for transparency21:30
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