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| elros_ | keithzg[m]: it should be in qt5-qtdeclarative-qmlscene | 00:11 |
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| keithzg[m] | elros_: Aha! Thanks, yeah I definitely knew that at one point in time, haha | 00:13 |
| elros_ | you can always use zypper se qmlscene | 00:14 |
| keithzg[m] | Hmmm. Installing that package doesn't seem to have actually helped, though. | 00:15 |
| keithzg[m] | (I installed it via pkcon) | 00:15 |
| keithzg[m] | Ah I see in https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Sailfish_OS_Cheat_Sheet that that still doesn't actually add qmlscene to one's $PATH | 00:16 |
| elros_ | for me it works | 00:16 |
| elros_ | ah: I have qtchooser installed which provide me /usr/bin/qmlscene symlink | 00:18 |
| keithzg[m] | It works! Hooray, now I can start working out how to add my city's transit to Pan Transit :) | 00:21 |
| keithzg[m] | elros_: What's qtchooser? | 00:21 |
| elros_ | I don't really know I just use rpm -qf /usr/bin/qmlscene and it prints me qtchooser package | 00:22 |
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| keithzg[m] | Hmm, on a Debian base I'd be going `apt show qtchooser` but not only does `pkcon show` not work but `man pkcon` doesn't either! | 00:26 |
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| hanna | Will SailfishOS ever get finer-grained permission control for aliendalvik? | 02:52 |
| hanna | Like being able to selectively bar applications from accessing my contact list or GPS location | 02:53 |
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| X65Vbo | hanna, that's a highly requested feature, see: https://together.jolla.com/question/4182/permission-control-for-apps/ -- I imagine it's on an internal roadmap, somewhere -- but Jolla currently lacks the manpower to implement it. | 03:17 |
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| keithzg[m] | Alien Dalvik isn't even a Jolla creation, right? It's the work of a third party, IIRC. | 04:10 |
| locusf | yes | 04:36 |
| locusf | myriad | 04:36 |
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| tortoisedoc | howdy | 06:46 |
| tortoisedoc | is there a way to make lipstick more verbose? | 06:47 |
| tortoisedoc | in journalctl? | 06:47 |
| Krikke | dunno about lipstick but you can make journalctl more verbose with some kernel parameters | 06:55 |
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| chriadam__ | https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Sailfish_OS_Cheat_Sheet#Home_Screen_and_Compositor_diagnostics | 07:03 |
| tortoisedoc | chriadam__ thanks, I assume qml errors get dumped in journalctl? | 07:04 |
| chriadam__ | I assume so | 07:09 |
| chriadam__ | unless something installs a message handler to intercept and log them somewhere else (which seems unlikely) | 07:09 |
| tortoisedoc | _b | 07:10 |
| tortoisedoc | hmhm journalctl drops kernel messages only it | 07:10 |
| tortoisedoc | *seems | 07:12 |
| tortoisedoc | (im on xperia btw) | 07:13 |
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| zGrr | 'moin :) | 08:20 |
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| tortoisedoc | has anyone succeeded in adding widgets to the eventsview? | 10:48 |
| tortoisedoc | apparently there's one dconf entry and different .json files loaded from /usr/share/lipstick/eventsview/ folder | 10:49 |
| tortoisedoc | ping rainemak, could you point me in the right direction for asking for help? | 10:51 |
| rainemak | tortoisedoc, what are you looking @ ? | 10:52 |
| rainemak | tortoisedoc, there are few loader doing their stuff | 10:53 |
| rainemak | loaders | 10:53 |
| tortoisedoc | @rainemak : i noticed qml of eventsview loads widgets based on json configs and was wondering if I could add mines | 10:58 |
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| rainemak | what's "widgets" in your terminology? only settings shortcuts and switches are loaded like that | 10:59 |
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| tortoisedoc | rainemak : weather / calendar "widgets" (filenames contain that word so Im using it excessively) | 11:02 |
| tortoisedoc | the "opensourced" lipstick features a directory which contains the *.json files | 11:03 |
| rainemak | then weather and calendara widgets are loaded by dedicated loaders | 11:03 |
| tortoisedoc | rainemak : what does that mean :) | 11:03 |
| tortoisedoc | and can I load more? | 11:03 |
| rainemak | nope | 11:03 |
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| tortoisedoc | how comes? | 11:04 |
| tortoisedoc | the configuration files seem to hint otherwise (sorry for being stubborn just trying to understand) | 11:04 |
| tortoisedoc | rainemak : ^ | 11:11 |
| rainemak | are you loading something in addition or trying to replace | 11:14 |
| tortoisedoc | rainemak : in addition | 11:14 |
| tortoisedoc | with separate loader | 11:15 |
| tortoisedoc | (at least that was my idea) | 11:15 |
| rainemak | in that case... you can could use "/desktop/lipstick-jolla-home/events_screen_widgets" + extra loader | 11:16 |
| tortoisedoc | ok | 11:16 |
| rainemak | s/can// | 11:16 |
| tortoisedoc | rainemak : how can I debug the qml ? :) | 11:16 |
| rainemak | note that it's not officially supported | 11:16 |
| rainemak | and this "/desktop/lipstick-jolla-home/events_screen_widgets" being dconf key | 11:16 |
| rainemak | maybe break e.g when you update your devicxe | 11:17 |
| tortoisedoc | yes I found these | 11:17 |
| tortoisedoc | i seriously hope sf3 still has an eventview p | 11:18 |
| tortoisedoc | :P | 11:18 |
| tortoisedoc | anyways its alot better approach than patchmanager | 11:20 |
| tortoisedoc | (imo) | 11:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | tortoisedoc: you've seen the video demos? | 11:28 |
| tortoisedoc | r0kk3rz : I think so yes | 11:29 |
| r0kk3rz | events view has been merged with ambiance top menu | 11:29 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure im a fan, but i guess i'll get used to it | 11:30 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: what you talking about? i have trigger on patchmanager word :)) | 11:30 |
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| tortoisedoc | coderus : hah! widgets on eventscreens via dconf it seems | 11:30 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : how can i show lipstick debug qml info on journalctl | 11:31 |
| tortoisedoc | on xperia i have only kernel info :/ | 11:31 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: you need to enable lipstick debug via environment config file | 11:33 |
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| tortoisedoc | LIPSTICK_COMPOSITOR_DEBUG=1 | 11:37 |
| tortoisedoc | i have c | 11:37 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus ^ | 11:37 |
| tortoisedoc | r0kk3rz : do you have a link to one of these demos? | 11:41 |
| tortoisedoc | i cant seem to find one with the eventview in particular | 11:41 |
| r0kk3rz | youtube.com | 11:41 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 11:41 |
| tortoisedoc | been there done that | 11:41 |
| tortoisedoc | ill keep on looking | 11:41 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont think theres one particularly about the events view | 11:42 |
| r0kk3rz | but it does get shown in a general 'ooo look sfos 3' type demo | 11:42 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah marketing ofc | 11:43 |
| tortoisedoc | is important | 11:43 |
| r0kk3rz | ah i miss rememberered - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnnngoFtrSQ | 11:44 |
| r0kk3rz | @ 1min mark | 11:44 |
| r0kk3rz | the quick settings has been merged with top menu | 11:44 |
| r0kk3rz | but it looks like events view is still the same | 11:44 |
| tortoisedoc | android style | 11:44 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah | 11:44 |
| tortoisedoc | now if i can get these damn qml debug infos in my journalctl ill be happy | 11:45 |
| tortoisedoc | ill try a few QML debug env vars | 11:45 |
| tortoisedoc | lets hope jolla-lipstick is not built with DEFINES += QT_NO_DEBUG_OUTPUT | 11:47 |
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| tortoisedoc | ping jpetrell : can you help with some weather "widget" questions I have? | 11:58 |
| jpetrell | tortoisedoc: sure | 11:58 |
| tortoisedoc | jpetrell : theres this dconf key which lists "widget" loaders for the eventscreen : /desktop/lipstick-jolla-home/events_screen_widgets | 11:59 |
| tortoisedoc | its officially not supported, but id still try to use it | 11:59 |
| tortoisedoc | jpetrell I made a copy of the weather "widget" and some modifications, and added the loader reference to the above key | 12:00 |
| tortoisedoc | and was wondering if that is enough to get eventsview to display it | 12:00 |
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| tortoisedoc | or am i missing something? | 12:01 |
| jpetrell | it is used, but only for weather and calendar widgets currently | 12:03 |
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| jpetrell | i.e. an internal implementation details subject to change until we have resources to do Homescreen widgets properly | 12:03 |
| jpetrell | (security-wise loading random QML inside Homescreen process is a no go due to stability, performance and security reasons | 12:03 |
| tortoisedoc | jpetrell : noted, and noted :) | 12:04 |
| tortoisedoc | and my idea is not to load anything malicious, and to have the code available | 12:04 |
| tortoisedoc | also i am ready to take the risk of breaking changes for now | 12:04 |
| tortoisedoc | (for a poc its enough= | 12:05 |
| tortoisedoc | ) | 12:05 |
| jpetrell | we would need to load 3rd party widgets in own process to avoid giving them access to privileged in-process information inside homescreen and to avoid badly written widgets crashing the whole phone | 12:05 |
| jpetrell | unfortunately Qt/QML processes are resource hungry so each widget would take almost the same amount of memory as normal app running Home multitasking view | 12:05 |
| tortoisedoc | I see | 12:06 |
| jpetrell | so having couple of widgets would reduce the number of apps you can have running respectively | 12:06 |
| tortoisedoc | I thought Qt/QML processes are supposed to share most of the libraries between processes? | 12:06 |
| jpetrell | there are things we could do to reduce QML process footprint or provide more limited/secure API for displaying custom layouts in Events, but neither are small projects | 12:07 |
| tortoisedoc | I guess qml can be cutted down only so much (static data like images etc for instance might not be shared between different processes) | 12:08 |
| tortoisedoc | plus, considering the wayland approach in which each client renders it's own set of resources, its conflicting | 12:09 |
| tortoisedoc | unless theres a proper backend taking care of the datasets | 12:09 |
| tortoisedoc | which then again would translate in, well, x :) | 12:10 |
| jpetrell | Qt is a complex beast, so while most libs are shared there is a a lot random splinter that adds up to ten megabytes | 12:10 |
| tortoisedoc | actually its interesting point, qml does not have caching per se | 12:10 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah security is a funny topic sometimes, everyone has their own expectations | 12:12 |
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| r0kk3rz | mine is that its my device and i'll do what i like :) | 12:12 |
| tortoisedoc | r0kk3rz : thats different from "heres a secure device, btw do not let people run scripts in terminal, we have all the pass phrases in clear text) | 12:13 |
| tortoisedoc | so yes you are right :) | 12:13 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i dont care about that | 12:13 |
| tortoisedoc | as long as you do not need to, its ok | 12:14 |
| r0kk3rz | if you have physical access or exec permissions on the device the game is mostly over anyway | 12:14 |
| tortoisedoc | exec permission is given to nemo no? | 12:14 |
| r0kk3rz | it can run programs cant it? | 12:14 |
| tortoisedoc | can it also make pancakes? :) | 12:15 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: so, devel-su journalctl -fal -n 500 /usr/bin/lipstick | 12:16 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : thanks, these journalctl are obscure if you do not use them for a while | 12:19 |
| tortoisedoc | jpetrell : I wonder if the qml engine can handle global exceptions | 12:23 |
| tortoisedoc | jpetrell : I wonder if the qml engine can be configured to handle global exceptions in a customized way | 12:23 |
| jpetrell | tortoisedoc: the work to safeguard qml would require a huge rewrite | 12:25 |
| jpetrell | doesn't prohibit me from dreaming of somebody coming up with a low-footprint sandboxed QML runtime that I could run inside any browser or OS | 12:26 |
| tortoisedoc | jpetrell : perhaps it would need to be handled at a different level / sandboxing of apps? | 12:26 |
| tortoisedoc | s/would/could | 12:27 |
| jpetrell | perhaps | 12:27 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah qml on the webside would be kew | 12:27 |
| tortoisedoc | jpetrell : anyways, I cant seem to even get lipstick to spit out errors with my test widget, not even thinking of crashing it | 12:27 |
| tortoisedoc | jpetrell i suspect there's something else missing on top of this dconf key which I am missing | 12:28 |
| tortoisedoc | as it seems lipstick doesnt give a dime about my scirpt | 12:28 |
| tortoisedoc | *script | 12:28 |
| tortoisedoc | jpetrell : also sandboxing qml is basically the same approach of android with java, no? where is the difference? | 12:29 |
| jpetrell | tortoisedoc: dconf is only used for weather and calendar, see /usr/share/lipstick-jolla-home/eventsview/EventsViewList.qml | 12:30 |
| jpetrell | the idea of sandboxing qml is not bad, but the required effort seems prohibitive. maybe in qt 6... and with some big Qt customer e.g. in automotive industry paying for the work | 12:32 |
| jpetrell | need to go | 12:32 |
| tortoisedoc | see you thanks! | 12:33 |
| r0kk3rz | eugh sandboxes | 12:33 |
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| tortoisedoc | r0kk3rz youd prefer iron cages ? | 12:34 |
| tortoisedoc | ; | 12:34 |
| tortoisedoc | ;) | 12:34 |
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| Elleo | present: have you seen this? https://github.com/spotifyd/spotifyd | 12:58 |
| present | Elleo: Nope did not know this one. | 13:00 |
| present | Tried already? | 13:00 |
| Elleo | present: nope, but it sounds promising | 13:01 |
| Elleo | present: only found out about it this morning | 13:01 |
| r0kk3rz | i wonder if it works | 13:05 |
| r0kk3rz | it looks like you'd just build it with pulse backend and it would almost be good to go | 13:07 |
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| tadzik | "we had no choice and had to rewrite everything", riiiight, they totally didn't just want to play around with Rust :P | 13:12 |
| r0kk3rz | but its magic and solves everything! | 13:16 |
| present | https://github.com/librespot-org | 13:17 |
| present | [dependencies.librespot] | 13:19 |
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| present | No precision concerning the Spotify Playback SDK. I'm wondering if this is still not to be deprecated. | 13:23 |
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| present | In their example they don't have "Client Secret" which should be mandatory with the beta SDK from Spotify. | 13:25 |
| present | https://github.com/librespot-org/librespot/blob/master/examples/play.rs | 13:25 |
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| r0kk3rz | it might not be a public api | 13:30 |
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| rubdos | fwiw, cross compiling Rust for SailfishOS is easy | 16:27 |
| rubdos | just install the arm gcc toolchain, rustup target add the-correct-arm-toolchain, and cargo build | 16:27 |
| rubdos | just wanted that to be out there :P | 16:27 |
| rubdos | (not gonna claim that all Rust libs work, e.g. https://github.com/spacejam/sled/issues/145 | 16:28 |
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| r0kk3rz | hmm, if i want to create different QML objects based upon a variable, im probably best doing that with the JS object creation right? | 18:26 |
| r0kk3rz | in this case ive got a bunch of different components which can handle different message types | 18:27 |
| kimmoli | Qt.createComponent + pass arguments with createObjext | 18:30 |
| kimmoli | ? | 18:30 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah thats what im thinking | 18:31 |
| r0kk3rz | mmm examples i see are using loaders | 18:36 |
| r0kk3rz | thats gonna be a lot of loaders | 18:36 |
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| kimmoli | this way i implemented a dynamic page https://github.com/kimmoli/maira/blob/master/qml/pages/Fields.qml | 18:38 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah thats basically the same problem i have | 18:41 |
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