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| kimmoli | GekkePrutser: try adding app password to skip MFA https://www.htcrm.com/multi-factor-authentication-and-app-passwords-for-office-365/ | 06:46 |
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| *** vilpan is now known as Guest21756 | 07:40 | |
| *** Guest21756 is now known as vilpan | 07:40 | |
| GekkePrutser | So MFA is not supported? | 09:12 |
| GekkePrutser | I'll try that thanks! | 09:12 |
| GekkePrutser | Tbh this is really something that should work in this day & age... :) And I saw the OneDrive account in Salesforce supports it (but that does not support corporate OneDrive accounts) | 09:21 |
| GekkePrutser | But I'll try it in a bit | 09:21 |
| *** frinring_ is now known as frinring | 10:57 | |
| GekkePrutser | By the way Microsoft is completely removing basic authentication with ActiveSync next year so SailfishOS should really start supporting modern auth soon :) https://o365reports.com/2019/09/25/basic-authentication-exchange-online/ | 11:14 |
| GekkePrutser | I should probably raise that on the forum | 11:14 |
| GekkePrutser | Thanks @kimmoli that worked! | 16:32 |
| attah | Still no way to change hw keyboard layouts? | 16:54 |
| GekkePrutser | And no swipe typing? | 17:38 |
| kimmoli | doesnt the physical keyboard layout selector work? or has it been removed? | 18:02 |
| attah | kimmoli: whoops, thanks | 18:09 |
| attah | It's just the internet (tjc) being outdated | 18:09 |
| attah | didn't expect a graphical setting | 18:09 |
| frojnd | I would love to port my Android app to sailfish but it uses proximity sensor... So I would need a physical device. What's the difference between xperia xa2 and xperia xa2 plus other than more ram? I mean sofware wise? | 18:30 |
| frojnd | Also while I'm here: https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/compatmap.html in what category does Sailfish os fall? | 18:31 |
| attah | frojnd: From a user space point of view on sailfish, i doubt you could tell those devices apart in any meaningful way | 18:33 |
| frojnd | I red somewhere "Signal" - Android app, is only working properly on Plus variant? | 18:34 |
| attah | Hmm, i certainly had that working on my XA2 basic bitch edition... but the icon seems to have gone missing | 18:36 |
| frojnd | Maybe I red old post.. | 18:36 |
| attah | Well, that was before summer.. and i didn't have the Android runtime fully working until ~April | 18:37 |
| attah | Anyway, it works fine now too.. and i was just being blind, the launcher icon is there | 18:38 |
| frojnd | Great | 18:38 |
| frojnd | Does android runtime come with google services? | 18:39 |
| attah | No | 18:39 |
| frojnd | Or how do they emulate push notifications? | 18:39 |
| attah | no idea | 18:39 |
| attah | microG works great from what i can tell though | 18:39 |
| frojnd | Yeah... using microG currently | 18:39 |
| attah | but i must admit ignorance of how that related to push notifications | 18:40 |
| frojnd | Well gonna order one from ebay then. | 18:40 |
| frojnd | 1GB of ram less than current phone... can't find xa2 plus on ebay | 18:40 |
| attah | For sensors, this appears relevant: https://weekly-geekly.github.io/articles/338044/index.html | 18:40 |
| attah | Amazon appears to have it | 18:42 |
| frojnd | You'r right: https://www.amazon.de/Sony-Xperia-Plus-H4413-Schwarz/dp/B07PQ7Z6F1/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=xperia+xa2+plus&qid=1569609787&s=gateway&sr=8-3 | 18:43 |
| attah | It's not the best price, but it's also not complete robbery | 18:44 |
| frojnd | Yeah it's not the best price if you compare to Xiaomi :D | 18:45 |
| frojnd | Wonder what's the built quality like | 18:45 |
| attah | I think the extra gigaram would be nice for doing native browser plus Android stuff simultaneously | 18:45 |
| attah | It's fine.. like most Sonys | 18:46 |
| frojnd | It's the phone's price and then I have to buy a licencse | 18:46 |
| attah | Not exactly premium, but fine | 18:46 |
| attah | yup... i can see how one woudl think twice... but personally i could never migrate to Android without much suffering in the ergonomics department | 18:47 |
| frojnd | Problem with licence is that if I break the phone I have to buy it again? No way to back it up? | 18:48 |
| attah | It's not "physical" | 18:49 |
| frojnd | Ohhh | 18:50 |
| frojnd | :) | 18:50 |
| attah | Jolla ties it to an IMEI, but it is stated that they will transfer it for loss of the phone, just not when one voluntarily upgrades | 18:50 |
| attah | I think that is a fair compromise between yearly and perpetual licensing | 18:50 |
| frojnd | I guess... what's the lifetime of sofware updates I can expect if I but phone today? | 18:51 |
| attah | The Jolla 1 still gets all the same updates as anything else | 18:52 |
| frojnd | s/lifetime/time duration | 18:52 |
| frojnd | And Jolla 1 is how old? | 18:52 |
| attah | 2013? | 18:52 |
| frojnd | Nice. My Moto G 1st gen received updates till this year march. LineageOs microg. But I had to fiddle with updates in the meantime myself | 18:53 |
| frojnd | I'm sold... | 18:53 |
| attah | Exactly, Lineage... not Motorola | 18:53 |
| frojnd | Yeah.. | 18:53 |
| frojnd | I was lucky | 18:53 |
| attah | very | 18:53 |
| attah | Heck, they even still support the "failed" x86 tablet the only shipped ~250 of | 18:55 |
| attah | I just need to sort out the battery on mine | 18:55 |
| attah | I must admit i get a little annoyed having to compile twice when i publish apps | 18:56 |
| frojnd | Do tell more | 18:57 |
| frojnd | You only publish .rpm | 18:57 |
| attah | It also gets the same updates despite being another CPU architecture | 18:57 |
| attah | You build with a virtualbox vm from the IDE, and it does both arm and x86 | 18:58 |
| attah | (cross toolchains in the same vm) | 18:58 |
| frojnd | How resource intensive is this? | 18:58 |
| frojnd | Android Studio is so memory leakish I ran our of ram running just 2 projects at the same time... 16GB of ram not enough | 18:59 |
| attah | My 2019 MacBook Air was a bit annoyed by this... but can't really notice it on a 2015 desktop machine | 18:59 |
| frojnd | I also have smaller laptop x230 with just 8GB of ram and it's pain in the ... | 18:59 |
| attah | should be fine | 18:59 |
| attah | mu MBA has 2GB | 19:00 |
| frojnd | What, you compiled and used wm on a Air? | 19:00 |
| attah | yup | 19:00 |
| attah | although that no longer works, due to me not upgrading from 10.6 | 19:00 |
| attah | also i don't care due to having a desktop since 2015 :) | 19:01 |
| attah | oh.. typo | 19:01 |
| frojnd | Specs of the desktop? | 19:01 |
| attah | it should say 2010 MBA | 19:01 |
| frojnd | Yeah was thinking, where di I miss the news of Apple still producing Airs :) | 19:01 |
| attah | Xeon e3-1246v3, 32 gigaramz | 19:01 |
| frojnd | Haha bit faster | 19:02 |
| attah | yup | 19:02 |
| attah | anyway.. 8 should be plenty from what i can tell | 19:04 |
| attah | had someone ask about using a netbook a while back, thy needed to resort to docker on the native system | 19:05 |
| frojnd | It's the CPU I'm worried :) Compiling c++ on i5-3320M can be a bit slow | 19:05 |
| attah | How big apps are we talking anyway? | 19:05 |
| frojnd | Well I don't know. Currently they are in java/kotlin | 19:05 |
| attah | I try to avoid c++ and use mostly QML | 19:06 |
| frojnd | Most of the code is background services | 19:06 |
| frojnd | Using proximity sensor and time... | 19:06 |
| attah | Unfortunately many of the more interesting APIs are C++ | 19:06 |
| frojnd | Yeah... was coding C++ only a few lines back when I was a Student | 19:07 |
| frojnd | Forgot everything about pointers.. | 19:07 |
| attah | For me it's the broken types and abstractions that gets me | 19:08 |
| frojnd | Would be great if I could code crystal on sailfish os though :) | 19:08 |
| attah | Qt helps a bit actually | 19:08 |
| frojnd | What do you mean by "broken types"? | 19:08 |
| attah | That's a language i hadn't heard of | 19:08 |
| frojnd | https://crystal-lang.org/ | 19:09 |
| attah | Like if i want to store slightly different types in some STL crap, i need to hassle a lot to make it work... and one might think it is some attempt at efficiency, until you realize how often they reallocate stuff | 19:10 |
| frojnd | Hehe | 19:11 |
| attah | Looks like an ok language... also there is supposedly python app support | 19:11 |
| attah | but with like no docs | 19:11 |
| frojnd | You can actually hook c code quite easilly | 19:11 |
| attah | I'd prefer if i didn't have to ;) | 19:12 |
| frojnd | Didn't even know about python | 19:12 |
| frojnd | I don't like python syntax | 19:12 |
| attah | what about it? | 19:12 |
| frojnd | Weird just using tabs | 19:12 |
| attah | aka "python has a syntax?!" | 19:12 |
| frojnd | I mean indentation | 19:12 |
| frojnd | I like some old school rules haha | 19:13 |
| attah | ^^ i don't mind it | 19:13 |
| frojnd | How is supporting older versions of SailfishOS, back compatibility? | 19:15 |
| attah | Pretty good i think... apps tend to work some ways back | 19:16 |
| attah | The SDK maintenance tool offers build targets back to 2.1 | 19:16 |
| attah | Not that i think old versions are very popular | 19:17 |
| attah | Nobody has been left behind yet really | 19:18 |
| frojnd | Gonna have to play a bit first and see how it goes :) | 19:20 |
| attah | good luck | 19:21 |
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