Sunday, 2021-05-16

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Mirvpa: hey, I used to be one of the maintainers but since I couldn't anymore do that as part of my job and started other work and limitations with free time, I haven't worked on it for years othern than offering some random help06:02
Mirvsince then the two main maintainers of Qt in Debian realized they can't commit to the Qt 6 work (maintaining properly modularized Qt packaging with all bells and whistles is huge work), so there's no-one doing Qt 6 for time being. they've offered reviewing/sponsoring support for anyone wanting to tackle Qt 6 in August
juhajHelp needed... I have all my google calendars doubled in Calendar though I only have configured one Google Account. Any idea how to remove the duplicates?15:25
mpoljuhaj: are you on 4.0.1 or older? It is fixed in 4.1.0 which is only available as EA currently.21:07
juhajmpol: | Sailfish OS (Koli)21:11
juhajSo I'll have to wait :(21:11
mpolah, yes.21:11
mpolor install 4.1.0 EA, it is not that buggy :)21:11
juhajDoes 4.1 fix google contact syncing, too?21:11
mpolI don't use it, but I think it does, yes21:12
juhajHm.. is there an ETA?21:13
Mister_Magistercan someone cancel 4.121:14
juhajI'm about to turn heretic and go Android in a couple of weeks due to no fresh Sailfish phones available :(21:14
Mister_Magistertwo of my apps aren't starting properly21:14
Mister_Magistereven tho they always did21:14
mpolno, always Jolla Time. But looking at the samll number of bugs it will be a matter of weeks I think21:14
Mister_Magister>no fresh sailfish phones available21:15
Mister_Magisterlol what21:15
mpolXeria 10 II just got released for 4.1.021:15
mpolXperia 10 II21:15
Mister_Magisternot to mention abundance of sfos phones21:15
juhajmpol: But afaik there is no properly working Google Play Store and Service on it21:16
mpoljuhaj: ehm, that might be. I stay away from that, I even avoid MicroG21:16
juhajmpol: I've been hounding a friend who works at Jolla to confirm if there are any newer phones than AquaFish which have fully functional google on it, but he cannot come up with any :(21:17
Mister_Magisterjuhaj: you want google store and services21:17
Mister_Magisteror you want sailfish21:17
Mister_Magisterto me sounds like you want android not sailfish21:17
Mister_Magisterreconsider what you want21:17
Mister_Magistermpol: gets it, he wants sailfish21:18
juhajMister_Magister: I want a usable GUI, that is SFOS; I also want a specific list of apps, that are android-only (and one of them is dropping 4.4 support next month)21:18
Mister_Magistertoo bad21:18
Nico[m]juhaj: Most Xperias support Android > 4.421:19
Nico[m]But if you want Google services, Sailfish is probably the wrong pick21:19
juhajNico[m]: But not store&services21:19
juhajNico[m]: That's really strange as they both work perfectly fine on the AquaFish21:20
Nico[m]juhaj: Google Play Services are not Android. They are a horrible Google invention to lock you into their ecosystem21:20
Mister_Magisteryou don't even need them21:20
juhajNico[m]: Don't worry, I have been locked into either Google or Apple without being consulted, so that ship has sailed21:20
Mister_Magisterthats not really an argument21:21
juhajNico[m]: I'd just like to have a useable uesr interface - neither android nor ios provides that21:21
Nathan[m]Don't people use MicroG and Aurora Store on Sailfish? I'm not sure how they work, but I was under the impression that they allow to use applications that require Google Services without having to install Google Services.21:21
Mister_MagisterNathan[m]: they do21:21
MalinuxI use MicroG + Aurora for apps that's not nativly available in SFOS. Also I use F-droid21:22
juhajMister_Magister: And they together provide a full feature set?21:22
Nico[m]juhaj: A useable interface includes the apps. Android apps have horrible UX21:22
Mister_Magisterjuhaj: no21:22
juhajNico[m]: Agreed. But as there are android apps that I have to use without being consulted about it, I have to live with those apps having a horrible UX. I would rather not have the OS itself and other apps have it, too21:23
juhajMister_Magister: Then it's a no-go, too risky given the price involved (if I had hardware to test with, I'd be happy to)21:23
Mister_Magisterthen go back to android21:23
Mister_Magisterbecause you want android21:23
Mister_Magisternot sailfishos21:24
juhajMister_Magister: Back to android? WTF are you talking abot?21:24
Mister_Magisterif you want sailfishos use sailfishos apps21:24
MalinuxIsn't that a black n' white way to see it?21:24
Nico[m]Well, I warned you, that Android apps will always be second class on Sailfish. Just stay with android, if you really need those apps.21:24
juhajMister_Magister: You're not being sensible now. Please read what I've written.21:24
Mister_Magisteri don't get people who come to sailfishos and running mainly android apps. Sailfish isn't just a ui21:24
Nico[m]Sailfish can't guarantee that Google Play Service dependent apps will work well :321:24
juhajNico[m]: Why are you, too, telling me to "stay" with Android?21:25
Mister_MagisterNico[m]: especially with google recent restritions21:25
Mister_Magisterjuhaj: because thats what you want21:25
Mister_Magisterits obvious21:25
juhajMister_Magister: Please do not tell me what I want after I've just told you what I want.21:25
MalinuxSailfish actually provide the ability to run Android Apps. If we follow this logic, people who don't want Android shouldn't use Sailfish?21:25
Mister_MagisterMalinux: how so21:26
juhajMalinux: Some people just want to be offensive to others21:26
Mister_Magisterandroid layer is purely optional21:26
Malinuxjuhaj: so it seems21:26
Nico[m]juhaj: Because I think Android will give you a better experience, if you really need a lot of Android apps to run well. If you only need a few and they can run on Sailfish, that is an option, but if you really mostly need Android apps, I just can't recommend it. Feel free to ignore me, but with limited funds, that is the decision I would make.21:26
juhajMalinux: It's quite educational, though. I've been puzzled by why so many people find this or that open source thing unwelcoming and/or non-inclusive. I never did, but I'm now starting to learn.21:27
MalinuxMister_Magister: yeah, but it's there. What's wrong about using it? I feel the android layer is a necessety21:27
Malinuxnot a wanted necessety though21:27
Mister_MagisterMalinux: its not always there21:27
Mister_Magisterand no, its not necessary21:27
MalinuxMister_Magister: I know you chose if it you want it or not. Though, for many people unfortunately, a Sailfish app isn't available21:28
Mister_Magisteri'm aware21:28
Nico[m]Malinux: Using the android layer is totally fine, but using it with Google play stuff and Google apps is just not a good experience imo :321:28
Mister_MagisterNico[m]: again saying based stuff21:28
juhajNico[m]: I think I already covered that bit. I need a few, and they work well enough on AquaFish. In fact the only problem with them is that running more than one at a time makes it swap all the time because it's got so little memory and android apps are so memory hungry compared to native SFOS apps. So I'm perfectly happy with SFOS, except next month I need Android > 4.4.21:29
Mister_Magisterlike if you  need one or two apps then sure but no point in fighting for full blown android experience21:29
Mister_Magisterwiith google play and stuff21:29
MalinuxNico[m]: I agree on that. If it was about the google play and google apps I sort of agree though. If it's against android apps in general I don't agree. and I might have misunderstood the arguments21:29
Malinuxah, yeah21:29
Nico[m]juhaj: Do you know which apps you need specifically? If it is just a couple, maybe I can try them on the 10 II next week and give you feedback, if they run without Google services or so?21:30
Mister_MagisterI just dislike when people come to sfos with android in mind and want to make android out of sfos and just use sfos as an android app launcher, whats the point in that. Two supporting apps that you can't get like bank or something is fine…21:30
MalinuxI know an app that don't run with MicroG at all. It's called vipps, an payment app. Almost everyone uses it in Norway now. I have a second phone so I can use it if necessary, but I don't like how it is heavely dependent on safetny net from google21:30
Malinuxah, then I misunderstood you Mister_Magister21:30
juhajMister_Magister: Maybe you should then make fewer assumptions and check your facts first?21:31
Mister_Magisterjuhaj: not really, no21:31
MalinuxThat said. I feel like the tone even though it probably not inteneded, might come out as harsh21:31
Mister_Magisteri'm still keeping my opinion that you should just use android21:31
Mister_Magisteror both21:31
Mister_MagisterMalinux: oh ye that happens with me21:32
Nico[m]Mister_Magister can come across as a bit rude sometimes, I agree, but I guess he mostly means well... maybe ;p21:32
juhajNico[m]: That would be fabulous, thanks! PM?21:32
Mister_Magisterjuhaj: so if i was hars or unpleasant, that wasn't intended, sorry21:32
Nico[m]juhaj: Feel free, but my phone will only arrive on like Friday or so :321:32
Mister_MagisterNico[m]: yeah i got problem with unintentional rudeness :P idk whats rude to people for me its just statement21:32
juhajMister_Magister: Apology accepted.21:32
Mister_Magisteri've been rocking pure sailfish since like 6 years21:33
Nico[m]Mister_Magister: I feel like you can work on it ;p21:33
juhajMister_Magister: Just to clarify, I've never had android. Been on MeeGo and then SailFish21:33
Mister_Magisterports don't have aliendalvik21:33
Malinuxnice. you have a second phone for android stuff?21:33
Mister_MagisterNico[m]: i'm working on it21:33
Mister_Magisterpeople are… complicated21:33
Mister_MagisterMalinux: no21:33
Mister_Magisterno android in this household21:33
MalinuxI must admit, I ran google play on the aqua fish, though it just felt wrong21:33
MalinuxMister_Magister: nice :)21:33
Mister_Magistertho i keep recommending people to have two phones21:33
Mister_Magisterone with android bs and one pure sfos21:34
juhajMalinux: It does make one feel dirty, doesn't it? :)21:34
Mister_Magisteryou will get best of two worlds that way21:34
Nico[m]I have exactly 2 Android apps installed on one of my phones. One of them I am working on a replacement for and the other one I intend to drop completely :D21:34
MalinuxI came from Nokia N900 and N9, and wanted ubuntu phone, but because it can't run android apps I went for Sailfish21:34
Malinuxjuhaj: yeah21:34
Mister_Magisterand if you find yourself using android phone more… you know what you got to do21:34
Nico[m]Mister_Magister: Write more apps? ;p21:35
Mister_MagisterNico[m]: Malinux: I'm also in bit diff position as a dev… sfos is DIY project for me, if i lack app, i make it21:35
Mister_MagisterNico[m]: well no21:35
Nico[m]Pff, works for me21:35
Mister_Magisterworks for me too21:35
Mister_Magisteras mentioned above21:35
Malinuxyeah, I wish I was able to make apps myself, but I've tried multiple attempts to learn to code and well, it just ends up in frustration21:35
Mister_Magistersfos is mainly DIY21:35
Mister_MagisterMalinux: you can't just wake up one day and decide to make an app21:36
MalinuxThe rest I am mostly capable of doing. Not being able to code when I am this into IT feels like I guess, if you can't read and write21:36
MalinuxMister_Magister: no21:36
Mister_Magisterits like taking hammer and wanting to build ship21:36
Mister_Magisterdoesn't work like that21:36
Nico[m]Malinux: Coding can be pretty hard. You need to put a lot of effort into it or pay someone to do it for you :D21:36
Mister_Magisterbut if you are not having fun with coding there's no point21:36
Malinuxyeah. It's very hard, and I struggle with ADD so I need fast rewards :S21:37
Malinuxit's not fun if it don't work :)21:37
Mister_MagisterMalinux: i keep asking people what app they want for them to drop android part21:37
Mister_Magisternoone gave me reasonable idea21:37
Nico[m]I found programming to actually help with my ADD, because it is the one thing I can focus on for hours. But I am lucky, I guess.21:38
Nico[m]I do practice annoyance driven programming though. I only fix issues, that annoy me personally :D21:38
Mister_MagisterI like talking to computers21:38
Mister_Magisterthey don't get angery when i talk mean21:38
Mister_Magisterwhen i say "this stuff is garbage" then they understand that this stuff is garbage21:38
Nico[m]Mister_Magister: I want a proper banking app :321:39
Mister_Magisterdid you miss word "reasonable"21:39
juhajNico[m]: That would be a bonus. Both my banks baulk at "rooted" android ;)21:39
Mister_Magistermy bank has website, i use website, i'm happy21:39
Mister_Magisterand i have credit card21:40
juhajMister_Magister: Mine aren't full featured on the web any more :(21:40
Mister_Magisterwho wants more21:40
MalinuxIf you can make sailfish app for ruter bilett, oxford dictionary, vipps, we-connect and maybe sync (the one to read reddit)21:40
Mister_Magisterjuhaj: those are retarded21:40
Mister_Magisterand should be treated as such21:40
Nico[m]My bank is disabling SMS tans now, so I need to either always carry a hardware piece, that sometimes works, or use their android app...21:40
Mister_Magisterimagine forcing you to use android/ios21:40
Mister_Magisterthats bs21:40
juhajMister_Magister: Yes, but banks did the vendor lock-in way earlier than google & apple :(21:40
Nico[m]Malinux: There is already a perfect reddit app on Sailfish21:40
Malinuxyeah, though it's not as sofisticated as sync I feel21:41
Mister_Magisterreddit app is one of top well made apps on sfos21:41
Nico[m]I don't know, what I am missing, I guess?21:41
Malinuxvipps complain my phone is rooted, but my banking app works just fine21:41
Mister_Magisterlike no joke21:41
Malinuxreminds me. I need to reinstall it21:41
Mister_Magisterbest of the best well made apps on sfos21:41
MalinuxNico[m]: yeah, perhaps fixing issues is what I should focus on in the start.21:41
Mister_Magisterthere are handful of apps i would call production grade21:41
Nico[m]But I really love quickddit and it is much better than the website by miles21:42
Malinuxyeah. I've uset quickeddit21:42
Mister_Magisterquickditt, piepmatz, ownkeepass are the production level apps21:43
Mister_Magisterbest of the best well made apps21:43
Mister_Magisteron par with android ones21:43
Malinuxah, yeah, ownkeepass I use. It's very good21:43
Mister_Magisterother two are very good too21:43
Mister_Magisterlike im saying on the android apps level21:44
Nico[m]I also like the Foil suite of apps, although they have a bit more narrow focus21:44
Nico[m]But yeah, werkwolf is awesome21:44
Malinuxsounds familiar, but I can't wrap my head around what it is again21:44
Nico[m]Foil Auth, Foil Notes, Foil Pics21:44
Mister_Magisterahh by monich21:44
Nico[m]Encrypted 2FA, pictures and notes21:45
Mister_Magisterwell those are like same functionality in 4 apps21:45
Malinuxso foil auth is an app I can use to replace Authy?21:45
Mister_Magisterjust bit different21:45
Nico[m]Malinux: Yes21:45
Nico[m]I've used it as my only 2FA app for ages now21:45
Nico[m]I also like that it integrates with the Sailfish backup now :321:45
Malinuxcan I use them together with authy?21:46
Mister_MagisterNico[m]: what if your foilauth data was corrupted21:46
Mister_Magisterand you cannot 2fa anymore21:46
Mister_Magisterhow do you recover from that21:46
Mister_Magisterits been bugging me21:46
Nico[m]Then I will hopefully have a backup ;p21:46
Mister_Magisterand if you don't21:46
Nico[m]I lost my data once, just had to reset my password everywhere with my mail address21:46
Nico[m]It was a bit too easy to do tbh21:47
Mister_Magisterso you can bypass 2fa with just email?21:47
Nico[m]With most services, yes21:47
Mister_Magisterwhats the point21:47
Nico[m]It is ridiculous21:47
Nico[m]No idea :D21:47
Nico[m]I guess email is a second factor too21:47
Mister_Magisterentire 2fa purpose is not to get bypassed with just one form of authentication21:47
Nico[m]I also have most of my 2fa recovery codes in my password manager21:47
Nico[m]And github and such can be reset with your ssh key21:48
Mister_Magisteri need to make some app/script/port something to backup my phones21:48
Nico[m]You don't use the Sailfish backup?21:48
Mister_Magisterit sucks balls lol21:48
Mister_Magisterit doesn't backup anything useful21:49
Nico[m]I mean, you can add other apps to it now, if you install the openrepos extension21:49
Mister_Magisteri want full backup21:49
Mister_Magisterfull / backup21:49
Nico[m]Yeah, I guess that it won't do21:49
Mister_Magistertoo tired of going to twrp and backing up to pendrive21:49
Nico[m]I have my NAS ssh into all my stuff at night and pull backups of /home :321:49
Mister_Magisteri just want to have nice daily incrementing backups21:49
Mister_MagisterNico[m]: thats one way of doing it but not too efficient21:50
Nico[m]Eh, it is simple and works21:50
Nico[m]And it does incremental and deduplicated backups21:50
Mister_Magistertbh i wanted to get rasberrypi 0 w, make it so that it connects in slave mode and act like mass storage while in fact mounting storage over nfs21:50
Mister_Magisterfrom server21:50
Mister_Magisterand use it in twrp21:51
Mister_Magistermy server is already offsite backuped21:51
malhow about that My Backup app in openrepos?21:51
Mister_Magisterhello mal21:51
Mister_MagisterAllows to add arbitrary files and dconf keys to Sailfish OS backups21:52
Mister_Magisterthats still not full / backup21:52
Nico[m]Sounds complicated21:52
Nico[m]mal: It only backups some stuff, not full /home21:52
Nico[m]It is okay enough for daily backups21:52
Mister_MagisterMalinux: forget about any of the apps you want lol maybe except the dictionary one21:57
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Mister_Magistermal: why the heck 4.0 doesn't have multilib on aarch6422:02
Mister_Magisterthat sounds like very unreasonable decision22:02
malnot sure why it was decided like that22:03
Mister_Magisterwhoa even mal doesn't know22:03
Mister_Magisterthen there really needs to be some sophisticated reason or just laziness22:04
Malinuxwhat is multilib again?22:04
Mister_Magisterso that you can use armv7hl apps on aarch6422:04
Malinuxah, oh, so it means the 10 II can't run armv7hl apps?22:05
Malinuxmy siginificant other, bought an 10 II22:05
Mister_Magisteri've wasted entire weekend building all my apps on aarch64 just cause one guy got xperia 10 II22:05
Mister_Magisterits broken22:06
Mister_Magistermy  app is not launching from app grid and when launched from console it sometimes crashes22:06
Nico[m]Eh, multilib always leads to a legacy mess22:06
Mister_Magisternever hapened on armv7hl and any previous sfos versions22:06
Mister_Magisteri blame jolla22:06
Nico[m]Apps already get compiled for 2 arches, a third one is not that bad22:06
malMister_Magister: more like I haven't cared enough to ask22:07
Mister_Magistermal: sure :P22:07
Mister_MagisterNico[m]: but they actually work on those two arches22:07
Mister_Magisterwhich is not the case in aarch6422:07
malMister_Magister: how does it crash?22:08
Nico[m]I mean, my apps are also buggy on aarch64, but that is a 64bit vs 32bit issue, I think22:08
Mister_Magisterfrom playing vide22:08
malanything useful in gdb output?22:08
Mister_Magisteri don't have xperia 10 II22:08
malcan you point me to some rpm for those or sources22:08
Mister_Magisterif i had i would've debugged it already22:08
Mister_Magister heres rpm22:09
Mister_Magisterrequired nodejs is on openrepos
Mister_Magisterbeen building this son of a gun for 2 days now22:11
malMister_Magister: a suggestion, please use python322:13
Mister_Magisterone day was bulding nodejs1422:13
Mister_Magisterthat didn't go well22:14
Mister_Magisterso excuse me while i don't22:14
oljuhaj (IRC): Don't believe stupid advises to carry a separate phone for Android apps. Sailfish has good support for Android 10 API on newer phones, and Google Play Services work well. You just need to do some manual tweaking for that.22:17
Mister_Magister>stupid advises22:17
Mister_Magisterlol ok22:17
juhajol: I'm all ears :)22:17
juhajol: Maybe elaborate a little on the "manual tweaking" part of it?22:17
Mister_Magisterimagine not having at least 3 daily drivers22:19
juhajol: Generally, I'm happy to tweak, tinker, and hack, but wouldn't be happy to spend money on a phone that can run SailFish if SailFish then does not deliver. In that case I'll probably go with the dual phone option and keep the AquaFish as the main phone until it dies22:19
ol1. You need *supported* phone that runs Alien Dalvik in a container. The list is not a big, but it's not empty: Sony Xperia XA2, Sony Xperia 10, Sony Xperia 10 II.22:19
juhajol: Given that Xperias are basically the only phones anyway, that does not seem a problem22:20
ol2. You need official *paid* Sailfish OS on this device. This allows you ti install Alien Dalvik (called Android support in Jolla Store).22:20
Mister_Magister>xperia being only phones22:21
Mister_Magisterhow disrespectful22:21
juhajThat is not an issue either - I don't know if my Tablet-cancellation-SailFishX voucher is still valid, but even buying is fine22:21
ol3. You have to take "/opt/alien/system.img" and change its content. This is squashfs image.22:21
Nico[m]Voucher should be fine, I used my second one a few months ago, iirc22:22
olIf you have Sailfish OS 4.1, this works with minor tweaks:
juhajMister_Magister: Well, I said "basically" and Jolla's compatibility list contains precisely one device that is not an Xperia.22:23
juhajNico[m]: There is another condition, too: I need to FIND my voucher :)22:24
juhajol: If I read correctly, that's still opengapps, not real google stuff. That's fine, provided they're feature-full. Are they?22:25
Nico[m]juhaj: Isn't it attached to your SFOS account?22:25
Mister_Magisterjuhaj: there are unofficial ports too and people are working hard on them…22:27
Mister_Magisterthats just mean22:27
juhajNico[m]: Could well be, I haven't looked at it22:27
olMinor tweaks I used:22:28
ol1. Download ARM64, 10.0, pico version from
ol2. Do everuthing on a computer, not phone itself: scp "/opt/alien/system.img" to your computer, place it as "system.img.orig".22:28
ol3. "setupwizardtablet-all.tar.lz" doesn't exist anymore, change it to "setupwizardtablet-arm64.tar.lz".22:28
oljuhaj (IRC): AFAIK, OpenGAPPS is just repackaged version of Google Play Services.22:29
juhajol: According to your link, it's not full-featured: downloads using Play Store don't work. That's a major handicap. On AquaFish they work fine provided you have kept the factory-installed version of Play Store (due to google's stupid limitations on new versions)22:30
oljuhaj (IRC): Don't worry about downloads using Google Play Store. You can download everything from Aurora Store (actually, even some apps like Revolut, that are marked as not supporting your phone in Google Play Store, but still work if you manage to install them).22:32
olAnd Aurora Store is available in F-Droid store.22:32
olSo, I use a very simple rule: (a) install an app you need using F-Droid if it's available there; (b) for everything else, there is Aurora Store.22:33
juhajol: So Aurora Store does not suffer from what Aptoide does: sometimes it takes weeks for the apps to appear there22:34
olIt works well for me. Just don't forget to check for updates manually on the regular basis: you have no automatic notifications from Aurora Store.22:36
juhajThat's ok, I don't like automatic updates anyway. Have them all off.22:38
olI have only two Android apps that don't work in Alien Dalvik. Both are banking apps. One of them requires something called Secure Element or Strongbox (seems to be some security enclave support) because it wants to work as a cryptocurrency wallet. Another one just craches few seconds after start, but this particular bank has fully-featured web interface, so it's not a problem for me.22:40
olAlso, sometimes it happens that some app stops working. It was happening twice already, also two banking apps, but different ones.22:41
olFirst, Revolut started refusing to start after update, complaining that my phone is rooted. Downgrading an app worked (Aurora Store allows to specify particular version to install). After a shitstorm in Revolut support forum couple of updates later they reverted this ill-fated "security measure", so I can use newest Revolut app again.22:43
olSecond, another banking app started crashing after update, but two updates later this problem was fixed as well.22:44
olIn the meantime, downgrade helped as well.22:44
juhajol: in-app payments?22:47
oljuhaj (IRC): The only apps I use that have built-in payments are banking apps. Payments work in those of these apps that work at all. :-)22:49
MalinuxAurora is just a front end for the play store afik22:49
juhajol: I'm not sure I understand how your second sentence relates to my question... Or maybe it doesn't?22:50
olMalinux (IRC): You can call it a frontend, but for me it's more like a proxy.22:50
oljuhaj (IRC): In-app payments work in apps that I use. It just happens that all of them are banking apps.22:51
juhajol: Do banking apps pay through Play though? I would have thought banking apps manage payments through the bank.22:55
oljuhaj (IRC): N26, for example, allows to top-up your account using Google Pay.22:57
juhajol: Also, is still more-or-less valid? If so, I'll go the dual-phone route as it seems there's too much hacking needed compared to AquaFish. It's really strange why the experience is extremely smooth on AquaFish but seems to be quite painful elsewhere.22:57
juhajol: I thought Google Pay is totally separate from in-app payments. At least I can do in-app payments on aquafish but don't have Google Pay installed22:58
oljuhaj (IRC): I tried to install MicroG, but it didn't work well. I don't remember exactly what was wrong. Probably, some of my apps didn't like it.22:59
olI have no idea how apps use Google Pay and whether they need support from Google Play Services. I presume, that it's not needed: there are many web sites that allow to pay using Google Pay, but I doubt that their servers run on Android phones. :-)23:02
juhajol: Google Pay and in-app purchases have nothing to do with each other23:03
olActually, there were some other apps than banking ones that allowed me to pay using my credit card.23:03
olFor me. Google Pay is just another way to pay for something without entering credit card number. Like Paypal, but using Google account, not Paypal one.23:06
olAnd it's very important to remember, that the steps to install Google Play Services in "/opt/alien/system.img" squashfs image is not just one-time step you do once and forget about. You have to check whether this image changed after every system update, and re-install Google Play Services if it was.23:13
olOnce, I was biten by this. Suddenly I realised that some of Android apps started crashing, and it took some time for me to realise that this is because I've updated Sailfish OS, but didn't re-install Google Play Services.23:13
Malinuxol: ah, okey, a proxy then :) though, I coudn't come up with a better name atm :)23:26

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