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| m4g0g | why doesn't ambience influence on android applications? | 06:22 |
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| m4g0g | good morning | 06:22 |
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| tbr | android applications run in their own environment | 06:28 |
| tbr | also they were not designed to be influenced by ambience | 06:29 |
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| Dr_Cain | hmm, jolla really need to do something about their battery | 07:15 |
| Dr_Cain | I had to reseat it again this morning | 07:15 |
| slate | battery pusher sticker, well known from Nokia 5230. | 07:16 |
| slate | :P | 07:16 |
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| Dr_Cain | already put electical tape under it | 07:19 |
| Dr_Cain | wonder if the contacts get coroded or something | 07:19 |
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| cameris | Good Morning. | 07:21 |
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| cameris | Again I have a question I can't seem to figure out by searching. If the PageStack has grown too far, it is recommended to replace the pages instead of pushing more. But how can I navigate back from the new page? There seems to be no onBackNavigation signal. | 07:25 |
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| coderus | Dr_Cain: try hard rubber eraser | 07:29 |
| coderus | Dr_Cain: ^ | 07:29 |
| Dr_Cain | hmm, not a bad idea | 07:30 |
| Dr_Cain | need to find one though | 07:30 |
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| Dr_Cain | with a small tip | 07:30 |
| Dr_Cain | since the connectors are recessed | 07:30 |
| coderus | cameris: try to use Dialog instead of Page for dialog pages | 07:31 |
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| tbr | Dr_Cain: high contact impedance is one possible issue, yes. cleaning them with some mild abrasive is a good idea IMHO | 07:36 |
| cameris | coderus: hmm, don't know if Dialog fits for this. The app should have several two-pages layouts (Profiles/Devices),(Activities/Devices in Profile), (Activity/Devices in Activity). | 07:37 |
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| coderus | cameris: just for some cases | 07:37 |
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| coderus | cameris: but if i really need to make app with deep stack i'll hack pageStack to timit indicators to 3-4. | 07:40 |
| coderus | limit* | 07:41 |
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| cameris | coderus: I don't have a problem with 4-6 indicators. But the 'Common Pitfalls' says I should try to avoid more than 4, so I am trying. | 07:46 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeL9vZYS9y4 | 08:13 |
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| coderus | user want to get "png files of BubbleChat" in Mitakuuluu. https://twitter.com/irulestar/status/491492675015540736 Mwahahahhahah! https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/blob/master/client/qml/ModernDelegate.qml#L275-L329 | 08:16 |
| coderus | kimmoli: lol :D | 08:16 |
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| coderus | https://twitter.com/irulestar/status/491499238874832897 :D | 08:36 |
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| m4g0g | coderus: is it possible to create native notifications as android notifications? | 08:40 |
| Nicd- | hey coderus, I got the busyloop on 0.8.1 after deleting all my settings after all :/ it took about a day for it to appear | 08:41 |
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| coderus | m4g0g: what you mean? | 08:43 |
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| m4g0g | coderus: showing notifications without launching appplication | 08:45 |
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| tortoisedoc | m4g0g : dont you need a service for that? | 08:53 |
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| m4g0g | tortoisedoc: I don't know. This is a solution but I don't think that it is a good one. | 08:55 |
| tortoisedoc | it might be jolla does not have the support yet | 08:55 |
| tortoisedoc | (for this particular feature I mean) | 08:55 |
| m4g0g | tortoisedoc: jolla not ready for native applications | 08:56 |
| m4g0g | :-( | 08:56 |
| tortoisedoc | well, it is - kindof, you just need to do all the stuff that is not there which you need yourself :P | 08:57 |
| tortoisedoc | see it like a business opportunity | 08:57 |
| tortoisedoc | you make a component == you might be able to get it into MER | 08:57 |
| tortoisedoc | it's the "do it together" spirit ;) | 08:57 |
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| dv1 | uhm | 09:06 |
| dv1 | does anyone know how the sailfish launcher for android is going? | 09:06 |
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| dv1 | are there official/inofficial downloads already? | 09:07 |
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| coderus | m4g0g: it called push servicces | 09:07 |
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| coderus | m4g0g: you need a push server for that and you should control whatsapp server for that :) | 09:09 |
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| tortoisedoc___ | speaking of whatsapp | 09:10 |
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| tortoisedoc___ | android app on my jolla just got use time extended by two months | 09:10 |
| tortoisedoc___ | (did not do anything myself actually for ti) | 09:10 |
| tortoisedoc___ | *it | 09:10 |
| m4g0g | coderus: hm. My application should setup it's own push server? | 09:11 |
| Nicd- | my mitakuuluu was extended for an additional year | 09:11 |
| coderus | m4g0g: sure :) | 09:11 |
| m4g0g | hmm. Ok. This is not bad idea | 09:11 |
| coderus | your server should be connected to service instead of you and send messages to jolla push server to show push notifications on device :) | 09:12 |
| dv1 | noone knows? :3 | 09:15 |
| m4g0g | coderus: your application do that? | 09:16 |
| coderus | of course not | 09:18 |
| coderus | jolla doesn't have push services | 09:18 |
| henk | What does "got use time extended" mean? | 09:18 |
| m4g0g | coderus: does ur application can show notifications without running? | 09:19 |
| Nicd- | dv1: the launcher is in private beta I think | 09:19 |
| Nicd- | well, invite-only beta | 09:19 |
| dv1 | why is it private :( | 09:20 |
| tortoisedoc___ | coderus : there is a jolla push server? | 09:21 |
| artemma | maybe they will build one. | 09:21 |
| artemma | yet another usual mobile feature to be build when time allows | 09:21 |
| henk | tortoisedoc___, Nicd-: What is that extension you mentioned? | 09:22 |
| tortoisedoc___ | artemma : a good os takes its time to develope | 09:23 |
| Nicd- | henk: you need to pay to have a whatsapp account after a year. but they extend the free period whenever your free year seems to be ending | 09:23 |
| Nicd- | henk: so I don't know anyone who has actually ever paid for whatsapp :P | 09:23 |
| artemma | yep | 09:23 |
| henk | Nicd-: ah ok, thank you. | 09:24 |
| henk | I thought it was about jolla or sailfishos, as I did not expect to find whatsapp users here … | 09:24 |
| m4g0g | I can't remember. In previous versino of sailfish was possible to change ambience from very first screen (I forgot it name) or not? | 09:26 |
| SK_work | m4g0g: it was possible from lockscreen, this got removed | 09:27 |
| m4g0g | SK_work: why? It was so comfortable! | 09:29 |
| SK_work | m4g0g: --> TJC :) | 09:29 |
| SK_work | (ie go to tjc and complain) | 09:29 |
| m4g0g | I understand =) | 09:29 |
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| coderus | m4g0g: application developer have push server running, it's connected to service you using with your credentials once in 5-60 minutes and sending message with your push id to your phone provider (google, microsoft, nokia, blackberry, i.e.) push service. and phone connected to push server showing notifications and etc. | 09:40 |
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| leszek | hi | 09:40 |
| m4g0g | coderus: why not to setup service which will be read notifications from service and show in jolla? | 09:40 |
| coderus | m4g0g: because jolla sailfish have no push server :) | 09:41 |
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| coderus | they should setup own push server to allow developers use it | 09:42 |
| m4g0g | wihout push server. Local appliation-service which get notifications via api and use mlite | 09:42 |
| coderus | mlite is just a library showing notifications on display :) | 09:42 |
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| coderus | (notifications is just a part of mlite library which is meegotouch stripped library just for adaptation purposes) | 09:44 |
| coderus | just because meego and sailfish have no own push services i made background daemon for mitakuuluu | 09:45 |
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| kimmoli | soon meeting was it? | 09:49 |
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| cybette | kimmoli: yes 8 min | 09:52 |
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| SK_work | small meeting, should be fast | 09:54 |
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| m4g0g | coderus: stop.Showing notifications in notification display - it is not mlite work? | 09:54 |
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| coderus | m4g0g: no. it's lipstick work | 09:55 |
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| coderus | mlite and freedesktop are just adaptation layers :) | 09:55 |
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| coderus | m4g0g: check mlite sources | 09:56 |
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| coderus | m4g0g: https://github.com/nemomobile/mlite/blob/master/src/mnotification.cpp#L59 | 09:57 |
| m4g0g | coderus: why all is so complex in sailfish (( | 09:58 |
| SK_work | m4g0g: actually, it's not :) | 09:58 |
| SK_work | but you need to figure out what does what | 09:58 |
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| sledges | PSA: SailfishOS community meeting in #mer-meeting starting in 1minute, everyone's welcome :) http://piratepad.net/SailfishOSSMeetings | 10:00 |
| m4g0g | sledges: what will be discussed there? | 10:01 |
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| sledges | m4g0g: see piratepad | 10:01 |
| sledges | ask also any questions during the end | 10:01 |
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| * artemma checks topics | 10:03 | |
| SK_work | artemma: APIs mostly | 10:03 |
| SK_work | artemma: check on #mer-meeting | 10:04 |
| artemma | SK_work: piratepad link has topics for today it seems | 10:04 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | guys | 11:27 |
| dr_gogeta86 | there are some strict rules for pubblishing android apps in jolla harbour | 11:27 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ? | 11:27 |
| Nicd- | there are some in the harbour faq | 11:28 |
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| guaqua | has anyone integrated a jolla app with an oauth provider? what should/would one use as the local http server? | 12:52 |
| m4g0g | guaqua: I have integrated | 12:52 |
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| guaqua | do you have the code somewhere where i could take a look or can you give a brief intro into how you did it? | 12:53 |
| m4g0g | You can do it without local server. Parse urlChanged in embeded webview | 12:53 |
| guaqua | hmm. okay | 12:53 |
| m4g0g | guaqua: https://github.com/Maledictus/sailreads see AuthManager.qml | 12:53 |
| guaqua | massive! thanks a bunch, m4g0g! | 12:53 |
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| m4g0g | guaqua: np | 12:54 |
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| King_DuckZ | hello, anybody knows if I can use this cable http://images.fonearena.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/nokia-n8-usb-otg.jpg to connect usb keys to my jolla phone? or would I damage something if I tried? | 13:27 |
| cos- | i doubt it can damage anything | 13:28 |
| King_DuckZ | it would work like this http://www.itdunya.com/attachments/290455d1305971621-nokia-n8-usb-go-samsung-mp3.jpg | 13:28 |
| King_DuckZ | cos-: so at worst it won't work? | 13:28 |
| Wnt | King_DuckZ: the device doesn't support USB host mode or usb otg | 13:28 |
| King_DuckZ | ok :( | 13:28 |
| King_DuckZ | is that a software limitation? | 13:29 |
| Wnt | King_DuckZ: USB host mode might be possible, but requires external voltage source and nonstandard kernel module | 13:30 |
| Wnt | OTG is not possible with the hardware | 13:30 |
| Wnt | https://together.jolla.com/question/50/why-its-not-possible-to-use-usb-otg/ | 13:30 |
| King_DuckZ | hm I see... I was hoping I could plug in powered usb hard disks to copy stuff, as removing the memory card is not very practical and bluetooth's got issues | 13:34 |
| King_DuckZ | ah btw, how do I unmount the micro sd before removing it? | 13:34 |
| flux | king_duckz, why not use wlan? | 13:41 |
| King_DuckZ | flux: wlan? how? I've been looking how to mount a webdav or nfs share, I couldn't find anything either | 13:43 |
| flux | well, I use it with scp | 13:43 |
| flux | (and rsync over ssh) | 13:43 |
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| King_DuckZ | ah... but you have to activate developer mode right? I suppose I'll have to do that to port cloonel jump at some point, but wouldn't I void the guarantee? | 13:44 |
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| King_DuckZ | hm I think it's "warranty" what I meant to type, sorry | 13:46 |
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| cos- | i don't think activating dev mode has any practical issues with warranty | 13:48 |
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| tadzik | hey hey | 14:25 |
| tadzik | how much of sailfish-maps code is shared with https://github.com/nemomobile/qmlmaps, if any? | 14:25 |
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| Nicd- | probably nothing since qmlmaps is under the GPL | 14:26 |
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| tadzik | ah, bummer | 14:27 |
| Nicd- | sailfish maps was made by appello | 14:27 |
| tadzik | I'm thinking, since every sailfish app using maps is reimplementing them, wouldn't it be useful to have a common shared component which everyone could use? | 14:27 |
| tadzik | so maybe it's possible to rip it off something that already has a good implementation, like sailfish-maps | 14:28 |
| tadzik | a qml component with some decent api would probably work | 14:28 |
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| artemma | Wasn't there some common Maps component at the QtQuick controls level..? | 14:30 |
| artemma | not sure, but I have slight memories about something like that | 14:30 |
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| SK_work | tadzik: you can read qml code imo | 14:31 |
| artemma | probably tied to Here maps | 14:31 |
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| tadzik | SK_work: yeah, looking at it now | 14:40 |
| tadzik | it all seems to use some 'map' component, but the source doesn't seem to be there :/ | 14:44 |
| tadzik | oh, it seems like it's a regular QDeclarativeGeoMap | 14:49 |
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| tadzik | whatever that is :) | 14:51 |
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| HBP_ | he, no ops | 15:25 |
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| dpurgin | is it me or has anyone noticed that rpm deployment to the device or copying files via ssh from the device is not started until the screen is unblocked? | 15:43 |
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| vakkov | Hi there! Is alien dalvik run in a chroot on the original jolla | 16:02 |
| SK_work | vakkov: don't think so | 16:02 |
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| TemeV | dpurgin: Jolla tends to go to quite deep sleep when display is off. SSH is not responsive then | 17:20 |
| TemeV | I think I saw some instructions how to change that, but battery life takes a hit of course | 17:21 |
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| dpurgin | TemeV, it seems though after I logged onto shell it remains responsive regardless of screen state, it seems to affect only the initial login prompt | 17:22 |
| dpurgin | not a problem actually, just curious :) | 17:22 |
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| TemeV | yea, it is a feature, nothing wrong with your device :) | 17:26 |
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| King_DuckZ | hello, is anybody else getting a segmentation fault launching qtcreator from the sailfish sdk? | 17:54 |
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| dpurgin | King_DuckZ, okay with me since the initial release, using on Fedora 19/20 x86_64 | 17:55 |
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| elenril | when running the emulator, seems something goes wrong with the orientation sensor so the gui thinks it's in landscape mode | 17:58 |
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| elenril | so it renders sideways and a large part of it is outside the screen | 17:58 |
| elenril | http://pastebin.com/q17QRmCm | 17:59 |
| elenril | any ideas? | 17:59 |
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| King_DuckZ | dpurgin: I'm using sabayon x86_64, not sure what's going wrong :/ | 18:08 |
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| Morpog_PC | coderus, are there download stats for mitäkuuluu anywhere? | 18:19 |
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| King_DuckZ | I can run qtcreator from my system fine, but the ore from the sdk segfaults | 18:38 |
| King_DuckZ | can I use the one from my distro and bypass the one from the sdk? | 18:39 |
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| eppe | So my jPhone has worked fine the last 14 days, and that means by my experience that the fun should end soon (bootloop). Since i am REALLY tired of sending the phone back to Finnland i have dd out all the partitions to an sd card. Does anyone have any advice when i need to restore them? like a what to do and NOT to do? Thanks in advance | 18:54 |
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| King_DuckZ | anybody knows if I can customize the qt-creator installed from my distro's repo to enable the creation of sailfish apps? or can I skip it altogether and use just cmake and command line? | 20:57 |
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