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| saber_ | a few question about programming for sailfishOS | 03:12 |
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| saber_ | is it possible to write a global qml plugin for other qml ( not packed in the same .rpm together ) | 03:13 |
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| flux | technically I think it should be possible, but such plugins are not going to get into the Jolla store AFAIK | 05:58 |
| flux | as Jolla store apps don't have dependencies to each other | 05:59 |
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| saber__ | @flux | 06:00 |
| saber__ | I try to make it by using the qt quick 2 extension plugin | 06:00 |
| saber__ | is it possible ? | 06:00 |
| saber__ | Also, when I compiled that plugin | 06:01 |
| saber__ | There are long list of "file not found" error | 06:01 |
| flux | I don't really have information on how to do it :-) | 06:03 |
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| smoku | saber__: it is possible. you just wite standard qml extension plugin and throw it in /usr/share/qt5/plugins dir. or you can put it anywhere and just add a plugins search path in your app. the documentation on writing QML plugins is very through and extensive - just look in Qt5 API docs :) | 06:37 |
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| saber__ | @smoku | 07:26 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu Total Downloads: 62,698 Download stats geo: http://i.imgur.com/jBofiJn.png | 07:30 |
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| tbr | informal poll: is there interest in a push message transport for sailfish? | 07:32 |
| artemma | coderus: congrats! Great numbers! Are these unique (everybody counted just once) or total (1 person downloading 3 versions is counted as 3)? | 07:33 |
| Armadillo | tbr: what's your plan? | 07:33 |
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| coderus | artemma: total downloads. | 07:35 |
| coderus | person downloads can be counted only for registered openrepos users and would be incorrect. | 07:35 |
| coderus | tbr: a much! | 07:35 |
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| henk | Can anyone point me to docs regarding how free and open sailfish (and jolla) really are? Ideally compared to android on the software-side and neo900 on the hardware-side of things. | 07:36 |
| coderus | tbr: having sleeping apps with push will be great implementation | 07:36 |
| SK_work | henk: compared to neo900 it's far from open | 07:36 |
| SK_work | qualcomm blobs etc | 07:37 |
| SK_work | compared to android sw side it's both better and worse | 07:37 |
| SK_work | as many middleware is developed in the open, but UI is closed | 07:37 |
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| coderus | tbr: but afaik (correct me if i'm wrong) you should have free data transfer with mobile providers for push? | 07:38 |
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| henk | SK_work: hm, too bad ): Thanks | 07:38 |
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| henk | oh, followup question: is that how it was supposed to be or are these considered issues that are being worked on? | 07:39 |
| coderus | henk: you should understand sailfishos is mostly fancy ui for Mer + nemomobile | 07:40 |
| SK_work | henk: the HW is what it supposed to be (I guess), because it's not easy to design a fully open mass market device | 07:40 |
| SK_work | the SW up to nemo (ie the middleware) is what it supposed to be | 07:41 |
| henk | coderus: ah, yeah, I did not … thank you (: | 07:41 |
| SK_work | some sfos apps are opened, and it seems that jolla is pushing forward to have them more open | 07:41 |
| henk | sfos? | 07:41 |
| coderus | Jolla is small company, if it open all it's unique things to public it became dead company :) | 07:42 |
| coderus | henk: sailfishos | 07:42 |
| SK_work | henk: sfos = sailfishso | 07:42 |
| henk | d’uh, right, thanks | 07:42 |
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| SK_work | coderus: their effort on this side are not bad actually, too bad nobody took a look at sailfis office to enhance it | 07:43 |
| henk | coderus: I don’t agree to that theory, but discussing that doesn’t make much sense now (; | 07:43 |
| coderus | SK_work: INM FOR CURRRENT STRATEGY, I'M NOT AGAINST IT :) | 07:43 |
| coderus | I'M | 07:43 |
| coderus | and capsoff | 07:44 |
| coderus | sorry :) | 07:44 |
| SK_work | coderus: :) | 07:44 |
| SK_work | coderus: close beginning, and open step by step ? | 07:44 |
| SK_work | I'm for too | 07:44 |
| coderus | SK_work: sure :) | 07:44 |
| coderus | as soon as stable partners will be found :) | 07:45 |
| SK_work | +1 | 07:45 |
| coderus | i'm having my apps closed source at beginning too and WTFPL after some period of time :D | 07:45 |
| tbr | coderus: I'm looking at MQTT as the push protocol over regular data connections | 07:45 |
| SK_work | coderus: WTFPL ? :) | 07:46 |
| tbr | my proof of concept works quite well | 07:46 |
| SK_work | sound good | 07:46 |
| coderus | tbr: +1000000000000 | 07:46 |
| SK_work | what's MQTT ? | 07:46 |
| kimmoli | yeah, works :) | 07:46 |
| SK_work | tbr: thanks ! | 07:46 |
| tbr | I have a server running and if someone wants to experiment I can hand out accounts | 07:46 |
| * kimmoli cant decide open sdk or do real work ... | 07:46 | |
| coderus | SK_work: http://www.wtfpl.net/ | 07:46 |
| SK_work | coderus: I know WTFPL, but just wondering why :) | 07:47 |
| tbr | there are mosquitto client libraries built for sailfish on my OBS project | 07:47 |
| SK_work | tbr: /me wants accounts :) | 07:47 |
| SK_work | cool | 07:47 |
| coderus | SK_work: i did not started monetizing my apps since i started developing... | 07:47 |
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| SK_work | coderus: me neither | 07:47 |
| kimmoli | tbr: me too | 07:48 |
| coderus | SK_work: and i dont want to care how my sources will be used | 07:48 |
| SK_work | ok | 07:48 |
| coderus | as i developing to very small community like symbian, then harmattan and now sailfish | 07:48 |
| lainwir3d | haha, I didn't know wtfpl | 07:48 |
| coderus | lainwir3d: ;) | 07:48 |
| henk | SK_work: Which license do you use? | 07:48 |
| coderus | lainwir3d: if you dont care about copyright, but asked about license in your apps - choose wtfpl | 07:49 |
| SK_work | currently BSD | 07:49 |
| lainwir3d | how easy it is to include QtBluetooth in my app ? So that it's accepted in harbour | 07:49 |
| SK_work | lainwir3d: can you static link it ? | 07:49 |
| lainwir3d | I don't think I can static link just a part of Qt, can I ? | 07:50 |
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| SK_work | lainwir3d: you might | 07:50 |
| lainwir3d | and licence wise, I think I can't at the moment. The app will be closed source first | 07:50 |
| lainwir3d | SK_work: oh, that change everything I guess | 07:50 |
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| lainwir3d | otherwise I have to find a way to load the .so from another directory ? Is it that "simple" ? | 07:51 |
| henk | SK_work: ah ok, I thought something radically different … | 07:51 |
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| SK_work | lainwir3d: yep, LD_LIBRARY_PATH or RPATH | 07:52 |
| SK_work | lainwir3d: static link would be abd | 07:52 |
| SK_work | but would work | 07:52 |
| lainwir3d | abd ? | 07:54 |
| SK_work | bad :D | 07:55 |
| lainwir3d | I guess I can even link to a Qt 5.3 QtBluetooth... If it build against Sailfish Qt 5.1ish | 07:55 |
| lainwir3d | oh :-) Yeah it would be also be bad licence wise :-/ | 07:56 |
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| lainwir3d | except if I free the bluetooth part. I can do that easily I guess | 07:56 |
| SK_work | lainwir3d: of course, only works for oss projects | 07:56 |
| lainwir3d | Do you think I can just free the part of the code that use it ? the C++ class | 07:57 |
| lainwir3d | that would remove the need to ask the autorization from my employer to free the code :-P | 07:57 |
| kimmoli | grr, my mersdk wont start... | 07:58 |
| tbr | ok, initial accounts handed out and service activated | 07:59 |
| lainwir3d | haha, this licence is awesome :D | 08:02 |
| tbr | so if anyone else wants to experiment with MQTT push messages on their jolla, privmsg me | 08:03 |
| tbr | I'd appreciate help/ideas on drawing up a sensible push messaging architecture using MQTT | 08:07 |
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| tbr | my current idea is a local daemon that speaks MQTT on one side and dbus on the other | 08:08 |
| stephg | random question for anyone using foursail: have you noticed a bunch more crashes since u8? | 08:08 |
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| chem|st | quick hint anyone? I restored .local/share and I guess I need to trigger tracker to rebuild the db | 10:28 |
| special | see tracker-control and other commands starting with tracker- | 10:30 |
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| chem|st | yeah that I did but there are still things "oops thumbnail..." | 10:34 |
| tadzik | hmm, sysctl restart tracker.service? | 10:38 |
| tadzik | or something like that | 10:38 |
| chem|st | kinda lost... what is the tracker service name? | 10:49 |
| tadzik | let me check | 10:49 |
| chem|st | not having a device for 4 weeks lets you forget a lot | 10:49 |
| tadzik | ah, I don't have it in history :/ | 10:49 |
| chem|st | and restorign the previous state is close to impossible | 10:50 |
| chem|st | if not just dd ing partitions | 10:50 |
| Nicd- | chem|st: try devel-su tracker-control -ks | 11:03 |
| chem|st | Nicd-: it is a user db, are you sure about doing it as root? | 11:04 |
| Nicd- | then try without root :P | 11:05 |
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| chem|st | to rephrase the issue... | 11:10 |
| chem|st | I now see in ambience-switcher ambiences with "oops" where one of it is "oops" in Gallery->Ambiences but the others are properly displayed | 11:11 |
| chem|st | ambience works like expected | 11:12 |
| chem|st | ooh much better now... now I see the "oops" message with the correct thumbnail | 11:13 |
| chem|st | but only in gallery | 11:13 |
| chem|st | ambience switcher still has oops only, restarting gallery helps the oops msg | 11:14 |
| chem|st | ok maybe I need to kill lipstick... | 11:15 |
| chem|st | it did not update the views | 11:17 |
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| chem|st | how does the factory restor point work? I'd like to back it up and replace it with my current install | 11:29 |
| special | what? | 11:29 |
| chem|st | the factory reset snapshot (is it a btrfs snapshot?) | 11:30 |
| special | I would not suggest messing with the factory restore snapshot, there's a very high chance of breaking your device to require a reflash | 11:30 |
| chem|st | can I tell to use another snapshot instead of overwriting the original | 11:30 |
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| special | why? | 11:30 |
| chem|st | special: to neverever again need to restore everything by hand... | 11:31 |
| special | (I don't know the answer to that, but the same caution applies) | 11:31 |
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| chem|st | it took me ages to get close to what I had before $care | 11:31 |
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| chem|st | and creating a snapshot is not like going to recovery console and dd partitions around | 11:32 |
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| chem|st | a button "backup device to fastboot img to sdcard" | 11:33 |
| chem|st | either that or we pump up thevault to a degree where you do not need to do everything by hand after a reset | 11:35 |
| chem|st | does pkcon have something like "user installed packages"? | 11:35 |
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| tadzik | uh, I think I found a bug in patchmanager. Is the dev catchable on the IRC? | 12:34 |
| SK_work | tadzik: I'm here | 12:35 |
| dr_gogeta86 | SK_work, tadzik is looking for you | 12:35 |
| tadzik | SK_work: so, the problem arose after I updated the Mediaplayer Buttons patch | 12:36 |
| SK_work | tadzik: what happens ? | 12:36 |
| tadzik | I started patchmanager, it says "This patch is not available anymore" | 12:36 |
| tadzik | I unclick it, it disappears, I restart the services | 12:36 |
| tadzik | then I start patchmanager again, and that patch is still there, enabled | 12:37 |
| tadzik | there is no way to get rid of it now, even after I uninstalled it | 12:37 |
| SK_work | tadzik: try to get rid of it and send me logs | 12:37 |
| SK_work | inside /var/lib/ausmt/logs | 12:37 |
| SK_work | (or something like that) | 12:37 |
| SK_work | tadzik: send using paste.kde.org | 12:38 |
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| tadzik | SK_work: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c5809a0324f3b298eb0d | 12:39 |
| tadzik | I hope gist is ok too | 12:39 |
| SK_work | tadzik: k | 12:39 |
| tadzik | thanks | 12:40 |
| SK_work | tadzik: looks like a bug to me indeed | 12:40 |
| tadzik | glad we're in agreement :) | 12:41 |
| SK_work | tadzik: ls /var/lib/patchmanager/patches | 12:41 |
| tadzik | adv-homescreen-eventview-control-center base-system-volume-warning mpb-homescreen-musicplayer-buttons mpb-mediaplayer-mediaplayer-dbus-add | 12:42 |
| SK_work | tadzik: one sec | 12:43 |
| SK_work | please try mv mpb-homescreen-musicplayer-buttons /usr/share/patchmanager/patches | 12:44 |
| tadzik | did so, should I try to disable it now? | 12:44 |
| SK_work | tadzik: yep | 12:45 |
| SK_work | got it | 12:45 |
| SK_work | (the bug) | 12:45 |
| tadzik | nice | 12:45 |
| tadzik | SK_work: no difference, it's just as it is before | 12:46 |
| SK_work | tadzik: send new logs | 12:46 |
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| tadzik | oh, hold on | 12:48 |
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| tadzik | SK_work: I think I made it work, after doing mv once again | 12:50 |
| tadzik | maybe I typoed the directory name the first time | 12:50 |
| SK_work | tadzik: ah | 12:51 |
| SK_work | then remove the folder | 12:51 |
| SK_work | I know what's going wrong | 12:51 |
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| tadzik | SK_work: ok, it's all good now | 12:53 |
| SK_work | thx tadzik | 12:53 |
| tadzik | thank you | 12:53 |
| SK_work | I think I need a new release of my patches too :/ | 12:53 |
| tadzik | so, the patch changed its directory name and the old one stuck there, or something like that? | 12:53 |
| SK_work | tadzik: noope, it's a problem about ausmt | 12:53 |
| SK_work | something I forgot to change when added a feature | 12:53 |
| SK_work | (the uninstall when patch removed thing) | 12:54 |
| tadzik | aha | 12:54 |
| tadzik | well, the mediaplayer buttons patch is just as buggy as the one before anyway :P | 12:54 |
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| Hartzi | hey, does anyone know why gps doesn't work on android sports tracker? | 13:06 |
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| pp_ | try running something native/other android gps stuff at the same time, sometimes helps me | 13:14 |
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| Hartzi | google maps doesn't get gps fix either | 13:19 |
| tadzik | hm, I never had any problems with gps fix on c:geo | 13:19 |
| tadzik | I don't think I ever used anything else thouhg | 13:20 |
| Hartzi | tadzik: does it still work? | 13:20 |
| Hartzi | when did you test it last time? | 13:21 |
| pp_ | c:geo is getting a fix just now (oldish nightly) | 13:21 |
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| tadzik | Hartzi: hm, I might have not tried on the latest update, actually | 13:22 |
| tadzik | I'm in a building now though, not sure if it'll work | 13:22 |
| Hartzi | tadzik: could you try it asap? | 13:22 |
| pp_ | google maps works too | 13:23 |
| pp_ | (not a very good fix, but I'm inside) | 13:23 |
| tadzik | Hartzi: I can't exactly leave the office right now :P | 13:24 |
| Hartzi | pp_: my google maps doesn't get the fix :P | 13:25 |
| pp_ | hmn, I had netradar running on the background, could explain :P | 13:27 |
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| Bysmyyr | some update said that you have to keep gps online by some native app | 13:29 |
| Hartzi | didn't work for me.. | 13:30 |
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| stephg | hm, my xmpp is stuck to 'on' | 14:44 |
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| King_DuckZ | anybody knows how to unmont the sd card? | 15:29 |
| tadzik | other than 'devel-su unmount /media/sdcard'? | 15:29 |
| tadzik | umount * | 15:29 |
| King_DuckZ | I didn't enable developer mode yet, so no console | 15:29 |
| tadzik | ah | 15:29 |
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| oh8gnz | maybe today I will make my first attempt to build a little app to my Jolla | 15:31 |
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| tadzik | I wanted to build a "set a default browser" app, possibly a settings plugin, but the solution from TJC didn't work for some reason even when I did it manually :D | 15:32 |
| SK_work | tadzik: ah | 15:33 |
| SK_work | which solution ? | 15:33 |
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| zoldyck | it's not /media/sdcard, it's /media/sdcard/<many numbers> | 15:33 |
| tadzik | https://together.jolla.com/question/1836/set-default-browser/ this one | 15:33 |
| tadzik | tried that for opera mobile, it started it but didn't open the url | 15:34 |
| tadzik | I thought "oh well" and didn't try much more | 15:34 |
| tadzik | also, I feel a bit dissatisfied how on maemo it was supported to add entries to settings menu, while on SFOS we need to have patches to QML | 15:35 |
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| SK_work | tadzik: you need root, so not easy for an app | 15:35 |
| SK_work | tadzik: what do you mean that you can add entries in settings menu ? | 15:35 |
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| King_DuckZ | so no umount from the gui? do I have to switch off the phone every time? | 15:35 |
| tadzik | SK_work: there's a patch that adds "Torch" to the Settings app | 15:35 |
| SK_work | you don't need to patch QML, except if you want to modify entries in settings | 15:35 |
| SK_work | tadzik: that's not a patch | 15:35 |
| tadzik | oh | 15:35 |
| SK_work | and that's my work too | 15:35 |
| SK_work | check jolla-settings-torch in my github | 15:36 |
| tadzik | I am wrong then | 15:36 |
| SK_work | I'm planning to build phonebot right inside the system too (inside settings) | 15:36 |
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| King_DuckZ | -_- | 15:37 |
| SK_work | King_DuckZ: not .. ATM | 15:38 |
| SK_work | but maybe someone can do something shouldn't be hard | 15:38 |
| King_DuckZ | about the sdk, I'm trying it on my sabayon machine at work and I get a segmentation fault just like at home | 15:38 |
| SK_work | King_DuckZ: tried running gdb on it ? | 15:38 |
| King_DuckZ | SK_work: let me try | 15:38 |
| SK_work | King_DuckZ: there is also a tutorial to run the sdk without virtualbox | 15:38 |
| SK_work | (so you can develop with just a standard qtc + some scripts) | 15:39 |
| tadzik | SK_work: ok, this makes me happier :) | 15:39 |
| tadzik | I seem to recall it was from patchmanager, so I thought it's a patch | 15:39 |
| SK_work | tadzik: btw, use my sources to build your own settings entry if you want | 15:40 |
| tadzik | SK_work: I will, thanks :) | 15:40 |
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| tadzik | but since doing root things is tricky, I might postpone that idea | 15:41 |
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| King_DuckZ | SK_work: http://pastebin.sabayon.org/pastie/16962 | 15:42 |
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| King_DuckZ | SK_work: it's not virtualbox, it's qtcreator - I'd be happy to use the one from my distro if it's possible, I can run that one just fine | 15:43 |
| SK_work | King_DuckZ: I don't know what it is :/ | 15:44 |
| King_DuckZ | also, from trial and error I found that -noload Core avoids the crash, but I don't see any gui popping up, I have to terminate the process with ctrl+c | 15:44 |
| SK_work | tadzik: root things requires a daemon running root | 15:44 |
| SK_work | basically patchmanager have one | 15:44 |
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| tadzik | aha | 15:52 |
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| * nad6234 is a seasoned dev who may be able to help. What's the best enviroment for installing the sdk onto? | 18:46 | |
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| cos- | ubuntu? | 18:48 |
| nad6234 | rubbish connection here (disconnected) | 18:49 |
| nad6234 | cos: how does that compare witj the mac? | 18:49 |
| nad6234 | i actually run mac & bootcamp into windows 8.1 too. | 18:52 |
| cos- | dunno. afaik most devs run linux. | 18:52 |
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| nad6234 | cool. no problem. generally perfer debian over ubuntu (political ) | 18:53 |
| cos- | that should also work | 18:54 |
| nad6234 | I'll set up dev box and get hacking then | 18:54 |
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| Nightmare__ | coderus: i send you a logfile after having high cpu usage with latest version | 19:09 |
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| nad6234 | does anyone know of any jolla/sailfishos podcasts? | 19:55 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | nad6234: for SDK better use linux | 20:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 20:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | don't know podcasts | 20:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | don't think there are | 20:18 |
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| nad6234 | thanks :-) | 20:19 |
| nad6234 | perhaps we should create one | 20:19 |
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