#mer-meeting Meeting

Meeting started by Jaymzz_ at 14:33:36 UTC (full logs).

Meeting summary

    1. As usual, I am the chairman, this time is a bit different, you can watch us live on YouTube and comment there OR here! Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpABm5T7wMM (Jaymzz_, 14:34:33)
    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpABm5T7wMM (stephg, 14:34:54)

  2. Brief introduction, please introduce yourselves for 5 minutes ;) (Jaymzz_, 14:35:13)
    1. nh1402, community member (nh1402, 14:35:21)
    2. Steph Gosling, community & porter (stephg, 14:35:28)
    3. Cedric Heintz, community member (ced117, 14:35:30)
    4. James Noori, Community manger at Jolla (Jaymzz_, 14:35:35)
    5. Znurre, community member (Znurre, 14:35:39)
    6. Sfiet_Konstantin community dev (Sfiet_Konstantin, 14:35:39)
    7. mattaustin, community / developer (Australia) (mattaustin, 14:35:44)
    8. Dylan Van Assche, developer (DylanVanAssche, 14:35:47)
    9. vgrade , community (vgrade, 14:35:49)
    10. robbster community member (Robbster, 14:35:51)
    11. Fabio Isgrò, community (dr_gogeta86, 14:35:59)
    12. Kimmo Lindholm, community, porter'ish.. (kimmoli, 14:36:03)
    13. Matti Lehtimäki, community porter (mal, 14:36:08)
    14. Leszek Lesner, community, app dev (leszek, 14:36:14)
    15. Tommi Keisala, community member (JvD_, 14:36:15)
    16. Sebastian Wolf, community member, SFOS app developer (ygriega, 14:36:17)
    17. Carol Chen, community member (cybette_, 14:36:17)
    18. Norbert Wenzel, community (BearT, 14:36:26)
    19. Pablo, aka @chipiguay in telegram fan group. Community member and apps coder :) (elfio, 14:36:28)
    20. Paul van Tilburg, community-member (paulvt, 14:36:29)
    21. eekkelund, maemo community council + community dev (eekkelund, 14:36:38)
    22. Thomas Dierig, community-member (tad_, 14:36:40)
    23. Pami Ketolainen, backend developer @ Jolla (pketo, 14:36:47)
    24. AL13N user, appdev @FOSDEM (AL13N_jolla_, 14:36:55)
    25. Andrea Bernabei, Nemomobile community (faenil, 14:36:57)
    26. Martin Kolman, community, modRana developer (M4rtinK, 14:37:15)
    27. Tadeusz Sośnierz, community, bootyhunter dev (tadzik, 14:37:23)
    28. marja, user, @fosdem (marja, 14:37:40)
    29. Thomas, works on things related to Mer (tbr, 14:38:02)
    30. Aniello, long time Maemo user/contributor (Xournal), user now. @fosdem also (anidel, 14:40:10)

  3. Handling Python modules SDK (asked by DylanVanAssche, 20 minutes ) (Jaymzz_, 14:40:23)
    1. some details about the topic: Currently the Sailfish SDK can't handle Python packages and modules. A solution would be to allow the use of PIP to add those modules to the RPM of the application, almost the same way as the packages in the Jolla repo are handled for every target. When an RPM is build, PIP will automatically upgrade the Python modules to the latest version if available. Or allow PIP on the Saiflish OS devices (Jaymzz_, 14:40:30)
    2. http://pythonwheels.com/ (dr_gogeta86, 14:43:52)
    3. at fosdem there is a discussion about the posibility of virtualenv as solution (stephg, 14:44:33)
    4. (sledges) we will come back in 2-3 weeks about packaging (Sfiet_Konstantin, 14:47:05)
    5. connectivity issues onsite (stephg, 14:47:35)
    6. problem at Mer is that we are lacking manpower to maintain all the packages we have (Sfiet_Konstantin, 14:50:25)

  4. Updating Mer Architecture diagrams at https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Architecture to the actual state. Current diagrams are very outdated (3-5 years old) (asked by coderus, 15 minutes) (Jaymzz_, 15:02:26)
    1. at fosdem Stskeeps says there has been some work done in the sailfishos wiki, that the ones on the mer wiki are extremely old (stephg, 15:03:38)
    2. Andrey Kozhevnikov, community, omprussia (coderus, 15:04:06)
    3. https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Architecture ? (Sfiet_Konstantin, 15:05:19)
    4. https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Architecture (stephg, 15:05:27)
    5. <Stskeeps> every architecture diagram is a lie (Sfiet_Konstantin, 15:06:11)
    6. https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Architecture (coderus, 15:06:31)
    7. locusf says that the diagram would also likely be wrong due to the nemo middleware mer merge 2 years ago (stephg, 15:06:37)
    8. if there is any new documentation it will be clean on the sailifhos wiki (stephg, 15:08:53)
    9. there are scripts that process the XML data of the rpm repositories and can then be digested by AgileBrowser (both are not easy to find, e.g. on the gitorious archive) (Jaymzz_, 15:13:44)

  5. PGP/MIME and the Mail App (Asked by kat6, 15 min) (Jaymzz_, 15:14:31)
    1. some details about the topic: Currently, the mail app doesn't handle encrypted content. Damien Caliste seems to be working on it, but in the meanwhile, can something be done so as to enable downloading the encrypted content as an attachment? Then one can easily decrypt using GnuPG. What is the feasibility of this? (Jaymzz_, 15:14:41)
    2. I think the encrypted part of an email is already available from command line. QMF is saving already decoded the various part of a multipart email in .qmf/mail. Doing a ll -rt there gives the latest received emails and the parts are in a subdirectory. Then it can be copied by ssh or directly decoded in fingerterm. It is simpler imho than proposing the encrypted file in the UI where anyway one (stephg, 15:16:24)
    3. cannot do anything with it even not save it somewhere (stephg, 15:16:33)
    4. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1522621&postcount=85 (Jaymzz_, 15:18:06)
    5. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1522621&postcount=85 (stephg, 15:18:13)
    6. https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/messagingframework (Sfiet_Konstantin, 15:20:11)
    7. there was a push notification solution written by tbr, a tech PoC which works (stephg, 15:21:21)
    8. MQTT https://github.com/dm8tbr/irssi-mqtt-sailfish.git (alterego, 15:22:05)
    9. https://github.com/dm8tbr/irssi-mqtt-sailfish.git (Jaymzz_, 15:22:26)
    10. that is a technology demonstration! (tbr, 15:22:47)
    11. it would require significant work to be usable in general (tbr, 15:23:04)

  6. what is the state of mer core and where should it go (Jaymzz_, 15:29:24)
    1. tbr: jolla has been very careful to maintain a backwards compatible distro (stephg, 15:29:38)
    2. This is being talked about live on FOSDEM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpABm5T7wMM (Jaymzz_, 15:29:48)
    3. sledges jolla is going to open all of the webhooks and such that they use for the mer portion of sfos (stephg, 15:31:01)
    4. Stskeeps in general binary compatability isn't a problem (stephg, 15:31:56)
    5. there is also the problem of GPLv3 license changes with some packages (stephg, 15:32:40)
    6. typically upgrading glibc or gcc isn't a problem for bin compat, but packages tend to stop (stephg, 15:33:11)
    7. its not always as east to upgrade qt (stephg, 15:33:37)
    8. as not only bincompat but also js changes etc. (stephg, 15:33:54)
    9. Stskeeps says, that qt is the headache as you need to do lots of QA work on top of a stable release to "productize" (tbr, 15:33:58)
    10. the question we should ask at this point who is interesting in putting some work into aking mer build with a recent gcc and toolchan < tbr (stephg, 15:35:49)
    11. tbr: do we have experience with people in that context? (stephg, 15:36:02)
    12. (Stskeeps) qt isn't moving particuarly fast as an application platform (stephg, 15:39:34)
    13. (for those who wanna read later) this is taking longer than usual since we are syncing with FOSDEM live on YouTube and the discussion is on-going there. (Jaymzz_, 15:39:51)

  7. "is the topic of enabling the use of jolla-made qml components (camera etc) available to apps still upcoming? (Jaymzz_, 15:42:18)
    1. veskuh saying it's been a back-burner activity in the ui time, some progrss but still somecomponetnts to do (stephg, 15:43:20)
    2. after that the experience is not still complete, and then jolla need to prioritze the next most valuable ones (stephg, 15:43:49)
    3. jolla will be able to much more after MWC (teaser from sledges) (stephg, 15:44:17)
    4. there is a new hadk coming and will make ports easier (stephg, 15:47:38)
    5. including isntructions for 64-bit devices (stephg, 15:47:51)
    6. https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/sfdroid (stephg, 15:48:20)
    7. sfdroid looking for help to improve it (stephg, 15:49:18)
    8. the hadk update is hopefully to be pushed out to early adopters next week (stephg, 15:52:18)
    9. the qt update has helped somewhat (stephg, 15:53:38)
    10. the documentation and webinars have been well viewed and joll a have received good feedback (stephg, 15:53:57)
    11. the new russion partner has been organising lots of developer events in russia (stephg, 15:54:17)
    12. jolla want to improve partnerships and extend this model (stephg, 15:54:40)
    13. looking for local advocates (stephg, 15:54:47)
    14. (all of that veskuh) (stephg, 15:55:00)

  8. next meeting time/date (Jaymzz_, 15:56:39)


Meeting ended at 16:00:42 UTC (full logs).

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