#sailfishos-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 3rd June 2021

Meeting started by sledges at 07:00:00 UTC (full logs).

Meeting summary

    1. Meeting information and agenda can be found here: (sledges, 07:00:05)
    2. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-3rd-june/6673 (sledges, 07:00:09)

  1. Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info (sledges, 07:00:19)
    1. Simonas Leleiva -- privateer for Jolla (sledges, 07:00:31)
    2. Otto Mäkelä -- community (ExTechOp, 07:00:45)
    3. Lukas Karas - community, developer (karry_, 07:00:58)
    4. Ville Nummela -- Sailor @ Jolla (ViGe, 07:01:01)
    5. Andrew Branson - sailing by (abr, 07:01:04)
    6. fridlmue - community (fridl, 07:01:07)
    7. David Llewellyn-Jones - Sailor @ Jolla (flypig, 07:01:27)
    8. Damien Caliste, community (dcaliste, 07:01:53)
    9. Pami Ketolainen, Sailor @ Jolla (pketo, 07:03:16)
    10. David Greaves, Sailor @ Jolla (lbt, 07:04:11)
    11. Joona Petrell, sailor at Jolla (jpetrell, 07:05:20)

  2. Bluetooth with Android applications (15min -- asked by ddobrev) (sledges, 07:06:41)
    1. <ddobrev> Some Android applications cannot function without Bluetooth and have no equivalent so this is important. Let's discuss the technical challenges and the possible solutions and deadlines. (sledges, 07:06:49)
    2. <Jolla> We are looking into this, but we do not have any schedule to announce on this. (sledges, 07:07:11)
    3. (in the meantime, talking about community (and sailors' freetime) writing native support for popular BT accessories, here's one hopeful for fitbit:) (sledges, 07:11:49)
    4. https://github.com/benallard/galileo (sledges, 07:11:52)

  3. Upgrading to 64-bit on older devices (5min -- asked by ddobrev) (sledges, 07:15:16)
    1. <ddobrev> Many devices Jolla supports are 64-bit but so far 64-bit Sailfish is only offered for Xperia 10 II. Let's discuss when we can expect support for all devices and how it would proceed, such as upgrading in place or first saving all data and then transferring it back. (sledges, 07:15:27)
    2. <Jolla> Upgrading devices to 64-bit would require all users to reflash and for Jolla to support double amount of product lines. There are not many tangible benefits of 32-bit vs 64-bit Sailfish OS that would accellerate such transition. (sledges, 07:15:47)
    3. <Jolla> We will try to address this matter differently, such as figuring out ways on how to support Sailfish OS community ports (that could then include 64-bit variants of existing adaptations) better in the future of Sailfish X program. (sledges, 07:15:59)

  4. Update on the future of the community OBS (7200sec -- asked by piggz) (sledges, 07:21:52)
    1. <piggz> It has been some time since an update was given on the future of the community OBS, can you give one? Read the rest about the topic here: (sledges, 07:22:02)
    2. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-3rd-june-2021/6403/4 (sledges, 07:22:07)
    3. <Jolla> Community OBS has been given an extension of at least another 12 months: (sledges, 07:22:20)
    4. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-obs-refurbished-and-re-floated/6556 (sledges, 07:22:23)
    5. <lbt> we need to do OS updates on multiple machines and then upgrade the OBS itself (sledges, 07:27:30)
    6. There will be OBS downtime - and probably for extended periods - sorry! (lbt, 07:32:01)
    7. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-community-news-3rd-june/6673 (sledges, 07:32:56)

  5. UI responsiveness (15min -- asked by ApBBB) (sledges, 07:35:02)
    1. <ApBBB> Many have observed that SFOS doesn't feel snappy enough compared to the competition (be it scrolling, transitions of various UI elements etc) and this is not something that has to do with HW. There have been patches that "fix" the situation but jolla hasn't commented in any of the topics. (sledges, 07:35:10)
    2. <ApBBB> So is it something technical behind all that or just an area that there hasn't been any time spend by the devs. And has jolla been discussing any of that internally. Forum topic for reference: (sledges, 07:35:22)
    3. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/perceived-responsiveness-of-the-ui/2499 (sledges, 07:35:38)
    4. <Jolla> There is definitely room for improvement. We have been shortening transitions (app launch, page opening, sliding in App Grid and other panels) and shortening gesture trigger thresholds (e.g. long-press time out, flicking Home carousel, etc.) in the last few years, but the performance is the kind of work that is never really complete. (sledges, 07:35:53)
    5. <Jolla> Recently sandboxing caused a bit of regression to the app launch times, but future Qt upgrade should give Sailfish OS notable speed increase through the pre-compilation of QML code, the programming language of the UI. The recent Browser upgrades have greatly improved the speed of handling modern websites. (sledges, 07:36:07)
    6. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/perceived-responsiveness-of-the-ui/2499 (sledges, 07:41:07)
    7. Further reducing transition timing may bring other visual quirks such as delayed rendering (sledges, 07:47:13)
    8. Findings of reducing delays successfully via patchmanager are welcome, and can be discussed in that dedicated forum topic (sledges, 07:48:07)
    9. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/perceived-responsiveness-of-the-ui/2499 (sledges, 07:48:26)

  6. Download all e-mail at once (10min -- asked by ddobrev) (sledges, 07:48:59)
    1. <ddobrev> The built-in e-mail client cannot download everything with a single operation. The only way to do it at all is to scroll to the earliest already loaded e-mail and then keep requesting small batches by hand. It's completely impractical for existing accounts with many e-mails. (sledges, 07:49:03)
    2. <Jolla> The email loading heuristics during scrolling could definitely be improved. Downloading all emails from particular folder is probably impractical, but the view should try to preload more emails in advance and in smarter way to not get into the way of browsing experience. (sledges, 07:49:18)

  7. General discussion (15 min) (sledges, 07:58:24)
    1. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/freenode-hostile-takeover/6388 (ApBBB, 08:21:15)
    2. about external displays effort: (sledges, 08:27:40)
    3. https://github.com/sailfish-on-fxtecpro1/droid-config-t5/issues/43 (sledges, 08:27:42)

  8. Next meeting time and date (5 min) (sledges, 08:30:02)
    1. Next meeting will be held on Thursday 24th June 2021 at 7:00am UTC: 2021-06-24T07Z (sledges, 08:34:32)

Meeting ended at 08:35:13 UTC (full logs).

Action items

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People present (lines said)

  1. sledges (112)
  2. lbt (29)
  3. ApBBB (28)
  4. flypig (21)
  5. jpetrell (20)
  6. ExTechOp (10)
  7. fridl (7)
  8. karry_ (6)
  9. sailbot (2)
  10. ViGe (2)
  11. abr (2)
  12. dcaliste (1)
  13. pketo (1)

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