#sailfishos-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 17th February 2022

Meeting started by flypig at 08:00:40 UTC (full logs).

Meeting summary

    1. Meeting information and agenda can be found here: (flypig, 08:00:49)
    2. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-17th-february-2022/10181 (flypig, 08:00:54)

  2. Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info (flypig, 08:01:08)
    1. Otto Mäkelä, community (ExTechOp, 08:01:12)
    2. David Llewellyn-Jones, sailor@jolla (flypig, 08:01:32)
    3. pherjung, community (pherjung, 08:01:39)
    4. attah, community (attah, 08:01:45)
    5. Ville Nummela, Sailor@Jolla (ViGe, 08:02:07)
    6. fridlmue, community (fridlmue, 08:02:20)
    7. Pami Ketolainen, Sailor@Jolla (Keto, 08:02:27)
    8. Nikita/TheKit, Sailor@Jolla :) (TheKit[m], 08:05:27)

  3. Calculation of minimum SFOS version in Store/Harbour (15 min -- asked by attah) (flypig, 08:06:51)
    1. <attah> Continued from the discussion on the forum. (flypig, 08:07:00)
    2. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/apps-that-havent-been-ported-to-aarch64-store/7331/67?u=attah (flypig, 08:07:04)
    3. <attah> Adding aarch64 packages limits the minimum SFOS version to 3.4 for the other architectures too. (flypig, 08:07:11)
    4. <attah> Ideally the minimum versions should be specific to each architecture determined by applying whatever magic to the individual packages. (flypig, 08:07:16)
    5. <attah> From last time the question was brought up it sounded like that was hard to do with the current Harbour architecture. (flypig, 08:07:21)
    6. <attah> So i would like to ask if it is possible to not count the aarch64 package in current checks - since getting 3.4 as minimum version is just as wrong as 2.0 anyway. (flypig, 08:07:28)
    7. <attah> Many nice apps are missing for aarch64 due to this. (flypig, 08:07:32)
    8. <Jolla> Thank you for raising this attah. There's been a lot of earlier discussion about this internally, and it was useful to be prompted again to review it. (flypig, 08:08:27)
    9. <Jolla> The Hourbour Masters have taken another look at the backend Store code, and have found a way to accommodate all of the requirements. (flypig, 08:08:34)
    10. <Jolla> The changes have been deployed, so you can now already upload aarch64 binaries without blocking armv7hl binaries with support for Sailfish OS releases earlier than 3.4.0. (flypig, 08:08:40)
    11. <Jolla> If you run into any difficulties with the version detection, please let us know. (flypig, 08:08:47)
    12. <Jolla> This is also a good opportunity to remind users that only the latest Sailfish OS release (4.3.0 as of today) is supported and receives updates from Jolla. (flypig, 08:08:52)
    13. <Jolla> Older releases may be vulnerable to security issues which have been fixed in the latest release. (flypig, 08:08:55)

  4. Small/low screen mode for the longphones (15 min -- asked by attah) (flypig, 08:19:57)
    1. <attah> Continued from the discussion on the forum. (flypig, 08:20:01)
    2. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/small-screen-or-double-screen-for-the-long-models/6310?u=attah (flypig, 08:20:05)
    3. <attah> Would it be possible to get a cropped display mode on the longphones? 16:9 would be especially relevant and should work out of the box with apps and UI. (flypig, 08:20:10)
    4. <attah> Use-cases include better one-handed usability, producing screenshots in the correct aspect ratio for Harbour, and adapting to possible future video output (Xperia 10 III). (flypig, 08:20:14)
    5. <Jolla> Good idea, although we cannot really give roadmap promises for such new features. (flypig, 08:20:34)
    6. <Jolla> Technically it is definitely possible, although it would require changes to closed-source UI packages like the homescreen so e.g. external contribution is not really possible. (flypig, 08:20:40)
    7. <Jolla> When working with the feature phone proof-of-concept we have had versions of the homescreen draw the system UI and apps in a smaller area (and e.g. with a virtual phone keypad below). (flypig, 08:20:46)
    8. <Jolla> Productisation naturally requires a different level of effort, e.g. to do this in an architecturally maintainable way. (flypig, 08:20:51)
    9. https://github.com/mer-hybris/qt5-qpa-hwcomposer-plugin/pull/93 (flypig, 08:22:55)

  5. Duplex Telegram bridge for #saiilfishos-meeting (5 mins -- asked by flypig) (flypig, 08:40:37)
    1. <flypig> During the last meeting we discussed how we could improve the community meetings. (flypig, 08:40:47)
    2. <flypig> A nice suggestion from pherjung was to make full participation possible via Thaodan's Telegram bridge, which is currently read-only. (flypig, 08:40:53)
    3. https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2022/sailfishos-meeting.2022-02-03-08.00.log.html#l-24 (flypig, 08:40:59)
    4. https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAFcbasJX67Fu-aGxxQ (flypig, 08:41:02)
    5. <flypig> We said we'd look into it, and this will be our chance to give an update. (flypig, 08:41:07)
    6. https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2022/sailfishos-meeting.2022-02-03-08.00.log.html#l-74 (flypig, 08:41:13)
    7. <Jolla> We looked further into what's needed to provide full-duplex support for Thaodan's Telegram bridge. (flypig, 08:41:30)
    8. <Jolla> We concluded that meetbot would need updating to interpret the <user> prefixes sent by the bridge. (flypig, 08:41:35)
    9. <Jolla> Since the user assigned to the bridge can change, we've not yet decided how to tackle the issue of impersonation. (flypig, 08:41:41)
    10. <Jolla> We plan to look at this further in the coming weeks and try to get something sorted by the end of May. (flypig, 08:41:47)
    11. <Jolla> Either way, we'll set a deadline to give a further update at the 31st March meeting. (flypig, 08:41:52)
    12. <Jolla> The meetbot code is open source python, so if anyone from the community wants to help with the update, let us know. (flypig, 08:41:56)
    13. https://github.com/emonty/meetbot (flypig, 08:41:59)
    14. Meetbot runs Limnoria, the initial idea is to see if a event filter plugin can be implemented that does some conversion on the messages coming from the bridge. (flypig, 08:47:31)
    15. https://limnoria.net/ (flypig, 08:47:38)
    16. Jolla's meetbout source is https://github.com/keto/meetbot (flypig, 08:48:26)
    17. https://github.com/keto/meetbot (flypig, 08:48:32)
    18. Ask Keto for more info if you'd like to help. (flypig, 08:50:23)
    19. pherjung will create a topic on the forum about the IRC-Telegram bridge update. (flypig, 08:52:43)

  6. General discussion (20 min) (flypig, 08:52:56)
    1. PSA from piggz: chum for version 4.3.0.15 finished building overnight (flypig, 08:54:26)
    2. pherjung created a topic for discussion of the Telegram-IRC bridge update (flypig, 09:05:17)
    3. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/update-meetbot-to-provide-full-duplex-support-between-telegram-and-irc/10331 (flypig, 09:05:20)
    4. List of open PRs to all sailfishos (organization) projects (flypig, 09:14:23)
    5. https://github.com/pulls?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+user%3Asailfishos (flypig, 09:14:25)
    6. List of PRs that recently got merged (flypig, 09:15:14)
    7. https://github.com/pulls?q=is%3Aclosed+is%3Apr+user%3Asailfishos+ (flypig, 09:15:16)

  7. Next meeting time and date (5 min) (flypig, 09:17:30)
    1. Next meeting will be held on Thursday 3rd March 2022 at 08:00am UTC: 2022-03-03T0800Z (flypig, 09:19:00)


Meeting ended at 09:19:11 UTC (full logs).

Action items

  1. (none)


People present (lines said)

  1. flypig (121)
  2. attah (40)
  3. pherjung (12)
  4. Keto (12)
  5. piggz (11)
  6. ExTechOp (6)
  7. ViGe (6)
  8. fridlmue (6)
  9. TheKit[m] (6)
  10. Thaodan (4)
  11. sailbot (2)


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