#sailfishos-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 28th Sep 2023

Meeting started by rainemak at 07:00:06 UTC (full logs).

Meeting summary

    1. Meeting information and agenda can be found here: (rainemak, 07:00:15)
    2. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-28th-september-2023/16726 (rainemak, 07:00:20)

  2. Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info (rainemak, 07:00:32)
    1. Raine Mäkeläinen, sailor @ Jolla, chairperson today (rainemak, 07:01:22)
    2. Otto Mäkelä, community (ExTechOp, 07:01:33)
    3. @poetaster, Mark Washeim, community (poetaster, 07:01:54)
    4. Crabster - lurker (Crabster, 07:02:15)
    5. Damien Caliste, community (dcaliste, 07:03:57)

  3. Notification popups in lipstick (10mins -- asked by thigg) (rainemak, 07:05:41)
    1. <thigg> Sometimes (especially when using android apps) (rainemak, 07:05:52)
    2. <thigg> notifications are hiding other ui elements (forum: Notifications hiding buttons). (rainemak, 07:05:52)
    3. <thigg> My idea to handle this was to mute notifications for some time (30s) if the (rainemak, 07:05:52)
    4. <thigg> notification is swiped to the left. After 30s a notification is shown that (rainemak, 07:05:52)
    5. <thigg> notifications are enabled again and the notifications from the queue are shown. (rainemak, 07:05:52)
    6. <thigg> (rainemak, 07:05:54)
    7. <thigg> This looks quite simple to implement at https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/lipstick/blob/e6e336f4c7e190f8c24802cc1337efa39be7bf93/src/notifications/notificationpreviewpresenter.cpp#L88 (rainemak, 07:05:55)
    8. <thigg> by returning early if the current time is <= the time in a muted_until value (rainemak, 07:05:58)
    9. <thigg> and patching the notification popup Notifications hiding buttons - #6 by thigg. (rainemak, 07:06:00)
    10. <thigg> When the notifications are muted, a timer is started which fires a “notifications (rainemak, 07:06:02)
    11. <thigg> enabled” notification after the mute period and this would trigger the appearance (rainemak, 07:06:05)
    12. <thigg> of all other notifications. And probably a dbus interface for lipstick to set muted_until (rainemak, 07:06:10)
    13. <thigg> from the popup. (rainemak, 07:06:13)
    14. <thigg> (rainemak, 07:06:15)
    15. <thigg> Because modifications to lipstick are hard (impossible?) to deliver to users, (rainemak, 07:06:17)
    16. <thigg> collaboration with jolla would be helpful. At least the dbus- interface to set (rainemak, 07:06:19)
    17. <thigg> muted_until would have to be done by jolla. (rainemak, 07:06:21)
    18. <thigg> (rainemak, 07:06:23)
    19. <thigg> I’d like to discuss the problem, this proposed workaround and if jolla is willing to (rainemak, 07:06:25)
    20. <thigg> collaborate on this (or even do it on their own) (rainemak, 07:06:28)
    21. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/notifications-hiding-buttons/16717 (rainemak, 07:06:30)
    22. https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/lipstick/blob/e6e336f4c7e190f8c24802cc1337efa39be7bf93/src/notifications/notificationpreviewpresenter.cpp#L88 (rainemak, 07:06:32)
    23. <Jolla> Thank you thigg! This is a very good and interesting topic. This is indeed (rainemak, 07:06:57)
    24. <Jolla> something occasionally annoys users. One idea that was brought up could be (rainemak, 07:06:57)
    25. <Jolla> using similar adaptive mechanisms that is used for display dimming. For example, (rainemak, 07:06:57)
    26. <Jolla> it could be so that first notification that is dismissed by swipe could suppress (rainemak, 07:06:57)
    27. <Jolla> notification queue for 5sec, next new notification that is dismissed by swipe (rainemak, 07:06:57)
    28. <Jolla> would prolong suppress to 10sec, and so on. (rainemak, 07:06:58)
    29. <Jolla> (rainemak, 07:07:05)
    30. <Jolla> Related to this, one problematic app category is navigation apps as those might start (rainemak, 07:07:05)
    31. <Jolla> showing notifications from your route and those might be triggered too frequently. (rainemak, 07:07:05)
    32. <Jolla> In this kind of scenario, one might want to have notification suppressed completely (rainemak, 07:07:10)
    33. <Jolla> from the app that spams notifications. Worth exploring whether this kind of action (rainemak, 07:07:13)
    34. <Jolla> could be visible by default. (rainemak, 07:07:16)

  4. Guidance about maintaining an HADK-faq wiki page (5mins -- asked by poetaster) (rainemak, 07:21:32)
    1. <poetaster> In the main, a number of porters have mentioned the difficulty in (rainemak, 07:21:32)
    2. <poetaster> working on the HADK docs. And ad-hoc etherpad is the present hacking (rainemak, 07:21:32)
    3. <poetaster> approach. To get the more structured I created HADK | SailfishOS community (rainemak, 07:21:32)
    4. <poetaster> wiki 4 This contains a dump of the etherpad and a first transfer of the faq (rainemak, 07:21:32)
    5. <poetaster> PDF to a wiki page. This is far from ideal. Is source for the pdf available (rainemak, 07:21:34)
    6. <poetaster> or is it a classic ‘word like’ document? (rainemak, 07:21:35)
    7. https://sailfishos.wiki/books/hadk (rainemak, 07:21:37)
    8. <Jolla> Thank you for asking. Which ad-hoc etherpad you’re referring to? We moved (rainemak, 07:22:03)
    9. <Jolla> http://piratepad.net/hadk-faq-v2 content to https://github.com/mer-hybris/hadk-faq (rainemak, 07:22:04)
    10. <Jolla> some time back already. Intention there is that hadk-faq would be used wiki like (rainemak, 07:22:04)
    11. <Jolla> and people would create PRs to it. (rainemak, 07:22:04)
    12. <Jolla> (rainemak, 07:22:04)
    13. <Jolla> HADK is not a word document rather a set of rst from which pdf is generated. (rainemak, 07:22:05)
    14. David Llewellyn-Jones, community, latecomer (flypig, 07:26:04)

  5. Open PR discussion (10 mins -- asked by jolla) (rainemak, 07:30:01)
    1. <Jolla> Any other open PRs to discuss? (rainemak, 07:30:08)
    2. https://github.com/sailfishos/gcc/pull/4 (rainemak, 07:32:12)

  6. Untracked bug reports (5 min -- asked by pherjung) (rainemak, 07:41:44)
  7. Untracked bug reports (5 min -- asked by pherjung) (rainemak, 07:41:53)
    1. <pherjung> Untracked bug reports (rainemak, 07:41:53)
    2. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-14th-september-2023/16646/3 (rainemak, 07:41:53)
    3. <Jolla> The Community Bug Coordination Team have done a superb job once again this fortnight. (rainemak, 07:41:53)
    4. <Jolla> 10 high quality bugs reported. Most of them are/will be recorded internally. (rainemak, 07:41:53)
    5. <Jolla> Tracker flags are missing from the forum. (rainemak, 07:41:55)

  8. General discussion (5 min) (rainemak, 07:46:31)
    1. https://codereview.qt-project.org/c/qt-labs/messagingframework/+/507382 (flypig, 07:56:01)
    2. https://codereview.qt-project.org/c/qt-labs/messagingframework/+/507382 (rainemak, 07:56:44)
    3. <dcaliste> Switching QCop to D-Bus for IPC ^ (rainemak, 07:58:09)

  9. Next meeting time and date (1 min) (rainemak, 07:59:18)
    1. Next meeting will be held on Thursday 12th October 2023 at 07:00am UTC: 2023-10-12T0700Z (rainemak, 07:59:50)


Meeting ended at 08:00:22 UTC (full logs).

Action items

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People present (lines said)

  1. rainemak (120)
  2. flypig (24)
  3. poetaster (16)
  4. dcaliste (15)
  5. ExTechOp (4)
  6. sailbot (2)
  7. Crabster (2)
  8. Nico (1)


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