#sailfishos-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 15th Feb 2024

Meeting started by rainemak at 08:00:02 UTC (full logs).

Meeting summary

    1. Meeting information and agenda can be found here: (rainemak, 08:00:20)
    2. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-15th-february-2024/17982 (rainemak, 08:00:20)

  2. Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info (rainemak, 08:00:20)
    1. Raine Mäkeläinen, sailor @ Jolla, chairperson today (rainemak, 08:01:08)
    2. Damien Caliste, community (dcaliste, 08:02:12)
    3. Nico (sorry) (Nico, 08:02:14)
    4. Ville Nummela, community (ViGe, 08:02:15)
    5. tuplasuhveli, community (tuplasuhveli[m], 08:02:36)
    6. Crabster - lurker (Crabster, 08:02:40)

  3. Ofono Updates (10mins -- asked by piggz) (rainemak, 08:05:37)
    1. Björn Bidar - Sailor at Jolla (Thaodan, 08:05:47)
    2. <piggz> Sailfish uses the Ofono Telephony stack to communicate with modems. (rainemak, 08:05:47)
    3. <piggz> The version of Ofono use in Sailfish is quite old, and diverged from (rainemak, 08:05:47)
    4. <piggz> the upstream project quite a lot. This was possibly understandable (rainemak, 08:05:47)
    5. <piggz> when the upstream looked stagnant, however it seems to have had (rainemak, 08:05:47)
    6. <piggz> somewhat of a revival, and has pushed out several release lately. (rainemak, 08:05:47)
    7. <piggz> Would it be worth re-basing the Sailfish Ofono and plugins on top of (rainemak, 08:05:48)
    8. <piggz> upstream to reduce the divergence and future maintenance? I (rainemak, 08:05:50)
    9. <piggz> understand some of the reluctance to use upstream has been around (rainemak, 08:05:52)
    10. <piggz> the ell library, can you expand as to why this cant be used, it (rainemak, 08:05:54)
    11. <piggz> doesnt seem like a very large lib to include. I have had PRs on (rainemak, 08:05:56)
    12. <piggz> sailfish ofono to update it for quite some time, these were created (rainemak, 08:05:58)
    13. <piggz> by painstakingly cherry-picking each upstream commit that would (rainemak, 08:06:00)
    14. <piggz> apply against the sailfish version, but the longer the divergence (rainemak, 08:06:02)
    15. <piggz> remains, the harder this gets. Upstream has improvements for the (rainemak, 08:06:04)
    16. <piggz> quactel modem, many code cleanups and improvements, and maybe useful (rainemak, 08:06:06)
    17. <piggz> for other porters. (rainemak, 08:06:08)
    18. <Jolla> Indeed, Ofono has started to be painful to maintain and we’ve talked (rainemak, 08:06:19)
    19. <Jolla> doing what’s described here. Just rebasing all our changes on top of (rainemak, 08:06:19)
    20. <Jolla> upstream, and possibly just starting to use the libell. However, no (rainemak, 08:06:19)
    21. <Jolla> idea yet on the schedule. (rainemak, 08:06:20)
    22. <piggz> Here is libell https://github.com/sailfish-on-dontbeevil/ell (rainemak, 08:09:33)

  4. Restore Sailfish Weather (5mins -- asked by cquence) (rainemak, 08:16:27)
    1. <cquence> Will the native Foreca Weather app be restored in the next (rainemak, 08:16:36)
    2. <cquence> release? Also are there any possibilities to use the native app (rainemak, 08:16:36)
    3. <cquence> with different configurable backends? User will have to provide (rainemak, 08:16:36)
    4. <cquence> their own key/credentials for paid services. (rainemak, 08:16:36)
    5. <Jolla> Foreca Weather app is not restored to the next release. Having means (rainemak, 08:16:45)
    6. <Jolla> to use different backends is something that we’re thinking as well. (rainemak, 08:16:45)
    7. <Jolla> Community raised yr.no as plausible option and it would a good (rainemak, 08:16:45)
    8. <Jolla> candidate to check how feasible it’d really be. (rainemak, 08:16:45)
    9. <Jolla> (rainemak, 08:16:46)
    10. <Jolla> If you haven’t yet disabled, you can disable Weather banner from (rainemak, 08:16:47)
    11. <Jolla> Events view from Settings -> Events View -> Install Weather from (rainemak, 08:16:49)
    12. <Jolla> Store. (rainemak, 08:16:51)

  5. Open PR discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) (rainemak, 08:23:37)
    1. <Jolla> Any open PRs to discuss? (rainemak, 08:23:44)

  6. General discussion (15 min) (rainemak, 08:30:46)
    1. <Jolla> Few things from our side that we haven’t yet covered. (rainemak, 08:31:01)
    2. <Jolla> The next release, 4.6.0 Sauna, was already featured in the FOSDEM (rainemak, 08:31:01)
    3. <Jolla> 2024 on Linux on Mobile stand. You can easily see that the release #info <Jolla> is not far away. Before that we will have translation round and (rainemak, 08:31:01)
    4. <Jolla> inform this separate in the Forum. Stay tuned. (rainemak, 08:31:01)
    5. <Jolla> Second topic, during the community event we had discussions regarding (rainemak, 08:35:08)
    6. <Jolla> subscription-based pricing model. To continue that discussion, we’d (rainemak, 08:35:08)
    7. <Jolla> like to ask your thoughts. (rainemak, 08:35:08)
    8. <Jolla> How much would you be willing to pay from a subscription. Let's think (rainemak, 08:35:08)
    9. <Jolla> two different models. Both would have software updates done in (rainemak, 08:35:08)
    10. <Jolla> similar fashion like we did last year (even year 2022). Few major (rainemak, 08:35:11)
    11. <Jolla> releases plus a few minor updates. Approximately a year ago we had (rainemak, 08:35:13)
    12. <Jolla> a vote about this in the newsletter. (rainemak, 08:35:15)
    13. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-community-news-23rd-february-clat/14752 (rainemak, 08:35:27)
    14. <Jolla> 1) Software updates euros / month ? (rainemak, 08:35:35)
    15. <Jolla> 2) Software updates + AppSupport euros / month ? (rainemak, 08:35:40)

  7. Next meeting time and date (5 mins) (rainemak, 08:56:59)
    1. Next meeting will be held on Thursday 29th February 2023 at 08:00am UTC: 2024-02-29T0800Z (rainemak, 09:02:11)


Meeting ended at 09:02:28 UTC (full logs).

Action items

  1. (none)


People present (lines said)

  1. rainemak (100)
  2. Nico (26)
  3. piggz (18)
  4. nephros (17)
  5. dcaliste (16)
  6. Thaodan (12)
  7. tuplasuhveli[m] (6)
  8. sailbot (2)
  9. Crabster (2)
  10. saltpie[m] (2)
  11. ViGe (1)


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