#sailfishos-meeting: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 24th April 2025

Meeting summary

1. 1. Meeting information and agenda can be found here: (rainemak, 07:00:16)
   2. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-24th-april-2025/22836 (rainemak, 07:00:16)
   
   
2. Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info (rainemak, 07:00:16)
   1. Otto Mäkelä, community (ExTechOp, 07:00:31)
   2. Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla (rainemak, 07:00:38)
   3. tuplasuhveli, community (tuplasuhveli[m], 07:00:40)
   4. Pekka Vuorela, Jolla (pvuorela, 07:04:26)
   
   
3. Sailfish OS roadmap checkpoint (15 mins -- rainemak) (rainemak, 07:05:06)
   1. <rainemak> As discussed 10th April on our community meeting let’s have a (rainemak, 07:05:19)
   2. <rainemak> roadmap checkpoint / update. This might well be just a textual (rainemak, 07:05:20)
   3. <rainemak> update. (rainemak, 07:05:20)
   4. <Jolla> Textual update it is. Following bigger update items that we have on (rainemak, 07:06:13)
   5. <Jolla> the roadmap. Good part of these will likely land to Sailfish OS 5.1. (rainemak, 07:06:13)
   6. <Jolla> Items are not in priority order. (rainemak, 07:06:13)
   7. <Jolla> glibc (rainemak, 07:06:13)
   8. <Jolla> systemd (rainemak, 07:06:13)
   9. <Jolla> lvm (rainemak, 07:06:15)
   10. <Jolla> pulseaudio (rainemak, 07:06:16)
   11. <Jolla> python (rainemak, 07:06:18)
   12. <Jolla> rpm (rainemak, 07:06:20)
   13. <Jolla> openssl (rainemak, 07:06:22)
   14. <Jolla> gcc (rainemak, 07:06:26)
   15. pherjung, community (pherjung[m], 07:06:27)
   16. <Jolla> and tons of other updates. (rainemak, 07:06:28)
   17. David Llewellyn-Jones, community + late (sorry!) (flypig-, 07:16:38)
   
   
4. New vendor blobs available from Sony (5 mins -- asked by cquence) (rainemak, 07:20:04)
   1. <cquence> any timeline of when can we get feedback for those blobs? (i.e. do (rainemak, 07:20:10)
   2. <cquence> they fix some/all of the existing 10IV/V problems). (rainemak, 07:20:10)
   3. <Jolla> These new blobs require work on NFC, GPS, sensors and VoLTE at least. (rainemak, 07:20:23)
   4. <Jolla> With these new blobs, we need to adapt NFC, GPS, sensors and VoLTE (rainemak, 07:20:23)
   5. <Jolla> from HIDL to AIDL. So getting those working will require time and (rainemak, 07:20:23)
   6. <Jolla> development efforts. Flypig wrote back in August 2021 a nice summary (rainemak, 07:20:23)
   7. <Jolla> about libgbinder that opens up also HIDL and AIDL. (rainemak, 07:20:23)
   8. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-community-news-12th-august-libgbinder-4-2-0-l10n/7582#a-detailed-look-at-driver-access-through-libgbinder-2 (rainemak, 07:20:25)
   9. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-community-news-3rd-april-2025-harbour/22658 (rainemak, 07:23:49)
   
   
5. Make sfdk manual pages available online (5 mins -- asked by Managor) (rainemak, 07:25:42)
   1. <Managor> For ease of access reasons it would be good if all of the command (rainemak, 07:25:48)
   2. <Managor> line options were listed somewhere. (rainemak, 07:25:48)
   3. <Jolla> We understand reasoning that you have here. This kind of feature (rainemak, 07:25:53)
   4. <Jolla> requests shall be looked also from maintenance point of view. (rainemak, 07:25:54)
   5. <Jolla> Currently you can find all commands with different --help commands. (rainemak, 07:25:54)
   
   
6. AppSupport without libhybris (15mins -- asked by affe_null) (rainemak, 07:30:28)
   1. <affe_null> The AppSupport packages currently provided to Sailfish OS users (rainemak, 07:30:38)
   2. <affe_null> (at least on the C2) rely on an Android HAL being present in / (rainemak, 07:30:38)
   3. <affe_null> vendor. Android vendor HALs can be very messy, and the time spent (rainemak, 07:30:38)
   4. <affe_null> on maintaining compability with them might be better spent on (rainemak, 07:30:38)
   5. <affe_null> writing upstreamable kernel drivers for the devices. This is (rainemak, 07:30:38)
   6. <affe_null> hopefully going to become easier with time as more support for (rainemak, 07:30:39)
   7. <affe_null> major SoC families lands in upstream Linux. Would Jolla be able (rainemak, 07:30:41)
   8. <affe_null> to provide AppSupport packages for ports that are not based on (rainemak, 07:30:43)
   9. <affe_null> Android? How much work would that need? I am not asking about (rainemak, 07:30:45)
   10. <affe_null> AppSupport for community ports, this is a question about the (rainemak, 07:30:47)
   11. <affe_null> feasibility of an official port without libhybris. (rainemak, 07:30:49)
   12. <Jolla> AppSupport itself does not depend on hal. For example, our collegues (rainemak, 07:30:51)
   13. <Jolla> at Seafarix run AppSupport on Rpi5 with Ubuntu and Mesa drivers among (rainemak, 07:30:55)
   14. <Jolla> other things. If there would be hw accelerated mesa for phone devices (rainemak, 07:30:57)
   15. <Jolla> that could be also used in phone in future. However as we know, this (rainemak, 07:30:59)
   16. <Jolla> is more easily said than done in mobile soc side. (rainemak, 07:31:01)
   
   
7. Open PR discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) (rainemak, 07:44:34)
   
8. General discussion (8 mins) (rainemak, 07:49:04)
   1. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-24th-april-2025/22836/11 (rainemak, 07:54:44)
   2. https://openagps.net/ (flypig-, 07:57:48)
   3. https://fosdem.org/2025/schedule/event/fosdem-2025-6739-openagps-open-source-gnss-assistance/ (flypig-, 07:57:51)
   4. https://openagps.net/ (rainemak, 07:58:02)
   
   
9. Next meeting time and date (2 mins) (rainemak, 07:58:25)
   1. Next meeting will be held on Thursday 8th May 2025 at 07:00am UTC: 2025-05-08T0700Z (rainemak, 07:59:49)

Action items

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People present (lines said)

1. rainemak (100)
2. flypig- (21)
3. ExTechOp (9)
4. tuplasuhveli[m] (6)
5. Nico (5)
6. iolala (4)
7. pherjung[m] (3)
8. dodoradio[m] (3)
9. dcaliste (3)
10. sailbot (2)
11. AffeNull[m] (2)
12. pvuorela (1)
13. rainemak_ (1)