#jollamobile log for Thursday, 2014-02-20

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Agatha19 You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos6900:04
Waitee./kick Agatha1900:04
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chem|stso $19B for whatsapp... and telepathy-gabble is so outdated...00:09
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* pahartik tried to install "TinyEdit" from "Jolla Store" but it got stuck on "waiting" state for hour01:40
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inahandizhahttp://VisitsToMoney.com/index.php?refId=38697002:22
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Ana23 Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos6904:04
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Adrianna20 Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos6906:04
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QuuStskeeps: hue. it changed name and ip06:23
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Quuthankyou :)06:31
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chem|stVenemo_j: you are the irc devel?08:30
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chem|stthe dots still don't move and the save dot says edit instead of blending to save08:32
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Wntchem|st: why don't you file a ticket and send a pull request at https://github.com/communi/communi-sailfish ;)08:36
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Venemo_jchem|st: yes, jpnurmi and me08:39
chem|stWnt: could do yes08:39
chem|stVenemo_j: nice work so far08:39
Wntstill haven't had time to test out the IRC client myself08:39
chem|stVenemo_j: do you know what I mean with the UI inconsistency?08:39
Wntis it possible to use Irssi as a multi network  BNC?08:40
Venemo_jchem|st: could you please give more details?08:40
chem|stWnt: yes08:41
chem|stVenemo_j: the very first page has a dimmed dot top left but no action08:41
Wntchem|st: can it send the connecting client some logged history when connecting?08:41
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Wntlike recent messages from channels and queries08:42
chem|stWnt: afaik you have all what the irssi has, never used it08:42
chem|stWnt: meaning if irssi logged the last 10h and you connet you see the channel like never been away08:42
Wntchem|st: ok, I'll have to try it out!08:43
chem|stVenemo_j: editing a network shows "edit" where the "save" should be written08:43
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Kisulihello everyone08:44
chem|stVenemo_j: and the last, afaik the dots should move to the center if pulled but only the text moves08:44
Jope08:44
ballockże was?08:44
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chem|stWnt: I think you want to look at irssi-proxy08:45
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Venemo_j_2sorry, got disconnected08:47
Venemo_j_2chem|st: did you say anything after the dimmed dot?08:47
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WntI hate that in the Store one cannot access the application details page when an app is installing08:52
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Psy-Qhi. i can't seem to figure out how to use XMPP support on sailfish. i've enabled my account, but where do i add XMPP contact details to people? how do i message them?08:53
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chem|stVenemo_j: editing a network shows "edit" where the "save" should be written08:56
chem|stVenemo_j_2: and the last, afaik the dots should move to the center if pulled but only the text moves08:56
chem|stPsy-Q: you cannot add contacts as of now08:57
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chem|stsending messages like sms to the already known08:57
WntIt seems that the Irssi proxy module doesn't support sending log to the client internally: http://bugs.irssi.org/index.php?do=details&task_id=67808:57
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chem|stPsy-Q: new presences need to be assigned with another client08:58
Psy-Qchem|st: oooh, crap :|  there doesn't seem to be another dedicated XMPP client for sailfish yet, right? found nothing on the store or warehouse08:58
Wntbut it seems that the feature can be added by a script: http://wouter.coekaerts.be/irssi/proxy_backlog08:59
salami`any maemotalk users here?08:59
Psy-Qi'm looking for a family chat alternative to whatsapp now that they're being bought :)  i thought of setting up a little federated xmpp server08:59
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NichopePsy-Q: have you heard about Telegram?09:02
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NichopeSomeone told ne that parts of it are open source09:02
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Nichopeso it may not be very difficult to do a client (in fact, I was told that there are already many)09:03
Mnsuis this the boot-loop bug I have been reading about, my phone just switched off, and then I tried to power it back on, now it just keeps going between black screen and the jolla logo start screen09:03
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Psy-QNichope: no, haven't heard of that, but i'll look it up, thanks :)09:04
Venemo_jchem|st: the first dot is a silica bug, dialog component doesn't work unless there's a page before it on the stack09:04
Nichopesalami`: Well, I was not a registered user, but I have "used" it a lot for some years :P09:04
Venemo_jchem|st: edit-save: that's a wording issue, will fix09:04
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Venemo_jchem|st: about moving dot: sounds like a silica issue too09:05
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NichopePsy-Q: It's becoming quite popular atm. It's quite better than whatsapp in sending files and in security (it's funny because now, suddently, people who have been using whatsapp for months and years seem to worry about security and privacy. lol.)09:07
salami`do you need certain amount of rep/posted messages to send pm's or something?09:07
Venemo_jchem|st: but I'm glad you didn't find more serious issues :)09:07
salami`I promised to send this guy few jolla covers to denmark but I cant PM him on maemotalk09:08
kimmolisalami`: afaik 5 posts09:08
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salami`perkele09:09
Psy-QNichope: well, the kids in the family say they don't care about privacy anyhow :P09:09
Psy-Qthat's how they ended up using whasapp and facebook09:09
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Psy-QNichope: looks cute on the screenshots..09:11
Psy-Qi'd prefer to move them from some centralized thing to something self-hosted or at least encrypted. jabber with OTR or something09:12
Psy-Qbut that'd require an OTR-capable xmpp client on sailfish for me :(09:12
ggabrielotr is when you use centralised services09:13
ggabrielif you host your own jabber, ssl is enough09:13
ggabrieljabber server, rather; or xmpp server09:13
ggabrielwell, actually, unless you don't want to trust yourself :)09:14
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AL13N_work1ggabriel: trust no one09:14
AL13N_work1least of all yourself09:14
ggabrielthat's why what i've just written is false09:15
ggabrielor is it?09:15
Psy-Qyeah, that'd work, but i'd have to get sailfish to eat my self-signed cert09:15
AL13N_work1bad09:15
ggabrielPsy-Q: why self signed? get a cert?09:15
AL13N_work1self-signed cert09:15
ggabrielstartssl.com or something09:15
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AL13N_work1Psy-Q: get a cacert one09:15
Psy-QAL13N_work1: i have one, but cacert isn't in the cert chain on sailfish, is it?09:15
AL13N_work1and put the cacert.org CA in the jolla09:15
Psy-QAL13N_work1: ah. ok, that'd work09:16
AL13N_work1Psy-Q: you can easily put it in there09:16
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ggabrielfwiw, the startssl comes with sailfish already09:16
AL13N_work1Psy-Q: on together, there's a few steps09:16
AL13N_work1ggabriel: but cacert.org is more secure :-)09:16
ggabrielwhy?09:16
AL13N_work1or at least the identity verification09:16
ggabrielwell... you don't need that09:16
AL13N_work1you should09:16
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ggabrielin fact, you have to pay in startcom09:17
ggabrielwhich i'm not09:17
Psy-Qi have one, might as well use it..09:17
ggabrielwhy?09:17
ggabrielall that needs to be verified is the domain09:17
Psy-Qi don't want to trust paid CAs :|09:17
AL13N_workexactly09:17
ggabrielstartcom is free09:17
ggabrielexcept for "advanced" certs09:17
Psy-Qor pay to get a cert that the israeli intelligence also has access to :)09:17
ggabrieli'm not making publicity btw, just telling my experience09:17
ggabrielwell, notihng is 100% secure09:17
AL13N_worktrue09:18
ggabrielyou make your best effort09:18
AL13N_workleast of all DNS let alone something based on DNS09:18
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ggabrieland if you get a proper ssl cert etc etc, and speak of pink elephants, nobody is going to even bother decrypting your conversation09:18
Psy-Qyeah, it's only family chat that i'm securing09:18
Psy-Q"don't forget to bring some milk", etc.09:18
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ggabrielexactly09:18
Psy-Qand "who parked the car outside on the reserved space again, wtf?"09:18
Stskeepsdeath to the infidels, etc09:19
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ggabrielyeah, i normally call them pink elephants, but whatever ;)09:19
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Wntwell this is weird! I installed the IRC client from the store, but it's not visible in the icon list09:20
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Psy-Qi was so happy to have mitäkuuluu and delete android whatsapp, now i have to get android ChatSecure to replace it :(09:21
Wntand it appears twice in the Store's My apps list09:21
Wntan I can launch it from there successfully09:21
ggabrieldoesn't any whatsapp client download all your contacts regardless of who makes it?09:21
ggabriel(you kinda agree to that in the t&c's)09:21
ggabrielnot only downloads all your contacts, it does it on a regular basis09:22
* tbr idly ponders why people with tinfoil hats don't use their own XMPP servers09:22
tbrsailfish has _native_ support for that09:22
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Psy-Qtbr: because (i asked that before) the native XMPP support sucks09:22
tbrinstead they install crappy apps of unknown provenance09:22
Psy-Qtbr: since i can't add new contacts from the mobile, can't use OTR, etc.09:22
ggabrieltbr: i tried (didn't make a lot of effort tho), but my distro doesn't have a working xmpp server :(09:22
tbrPsy-Q: orly? it works for me09:22
tbrPsy-Q: make OTR work then09:22
Psy-Qtbr: ChatSecure is by the Tor project, i trust them slightly09:23
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* tbr goes to mind his own business as he has TLS secured XMPP working on his jolla09:23
Psy-Qtbr: chem|st said earlier that you can't add new contacts via native XMPP09:23
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ggabrieltbr: what did you use again?09:23
tbrPsy-Q: because I have to do that all the time, right. </snerk>09:24
Psy-Qtbr: let me know how :)09:24
ggabrielwell, you add them in a computer innit :)09:24
ggabrieland then your phone knows about it09:24
Psy-Q"add contact" doesn't have a field for XMPP uid09:24
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Psy-Qthat i can find at least09:24
ggabrielPsy-Q: I mean - add the contact in a computer09:25
ggabrieluse pidgin or whatever09:25
ggabrieluntil the feature is active in sailfish09:25
Psy-Qggabriel: yes, that's what chem|st said, but i understand tbr adds his contacts via the phone (?)09:25
ggabrielthen you link/merge in sailfish09:25
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ggabrielnot what i understood09:25
Psy-Qggabriel: ah yeah, he just said "it works for me". i thought he meant adding contacts09:26
ggabrielhe's gone to mind his own business ;)09:26
ggabrieli agree with tbr wrt own xmpp server09:26
ggabrielbut i guess i need a day or two to figure it out09:27
Psy-Qyeah, i could do that. i might want to federate it though. don't know how that works yet09:27
ggabrieldunno who i would use it with tho :P09:27
ppejabberd :-)09:27
ggabrielpp: ah, yeah, tried that one and didn't work ootb09:28
Psy-Qthe local nerd scene is pretty active on the local jabber server(s) :)  i'd want to federate with those09:28
ggabrielfair enough09:28
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ggabrielyou'd need otr then ;)09:28
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Psy-Qyeah, and since i don't know anything about C++ or libpurple (if that's even used on sailfish) or anything, i'd be the best guy to implement that09:28
chem|stStskeeps: got my query?09:30
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Stskeepschem|st: yes, just a bit backlogged atm09:30
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chem|stStskeeps: was just to keep you posted09:31
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NichopePsy-Q: For how the conversation has advanced, my comment might already be out of place :P, but I think Telegram is encripted09:38
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Psy-QNichope: if it's closed source, that can't be trusted :(09:39
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Psy-Qi'd try to move them to ChatSecure instead09:39
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Nichopeoh, really? Do you know which parts of it are open?09:40
Azogdoes one get something for free for visiting jolla at the mwc? just a thought...09:40
Nichope(i mean about telegram. 'cause I was told that it had open parts)09:40
StskeepsAzog: i can give you a handshake at least .. :P09:41
NichopeStskeeps: are you going there too? :)09:41
AzogStskeeps: unfortunately i won't be there, just a friend is working at another booth09:41
Psy-QNichope: no, but if not the whole source is there, the better alternative is the one that has the whole source available :)09:41
StskeepsNichope: yeah, manning ze booth and participating in meetings..09:41
WntIs there CTCP support in the Sailfish IRC client?09:42
NichopePsy-Q: I understand09:42
ggabrieloh, so it's started [wmc]09:43
ggabrielStskeeps: good luck to you and the sailors09:43
NichopeI live near to barcelona, but as university student I09:43
WntA script that provides backlog support to the Irssi proxy module need the client to send a CTCP commend to trigger the backlog sending09:43
Nichopedon't have the budget to buy a ticket09:43
Nichope(sorry, accidentally pressed enter :P)09:44
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ggabrieljust watch it on the internet :D09:44
NichopeWell, thought I won't be inside, as the Jolla team are coming I would love to meet you out of the event to say hi and all that stuff :3 (In fact I already said that before :P)09:46
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juboxiIf I accidentally swipe left when composing I cannot swipe back to get back to it09:57
NichopeNichope: (I also said that if you need anything -well, basically information, contacts, and in extreme cases accomodation- while you are in Barcelona, I offered myself to help as much as my unpredictable free time allows me. Consider it kind of Mediterranean hospitality :) )09:57
specialjuboxi: composing what?09:58
Nichope(copypasted because it had not been sent)09:58
Nichopei guess sms ha says09:58
juboxispecial: sms09:58
ggabrielyup, no remorse09:58
ggabrielnot a bad idea to add one tho09:59
specialjuboxi: https://together.jolla.com/question/7666/sms-add-ability-to-view-received-sms-messages-while-composing-a-new-message/09:59
specialjuboxi: it's near the top of my list.09:59
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juboxispecial: your request is more then just "add a draft sms"-box10:03
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juboxispecial: I upvote you.10:03
Nichopeggabriel: do you mean copy/paste option? Or talking about sms?10:03
suyNichope: Add myself to that. I live in Barcelona, and if somebody wants and can meet, I'll try to leaver work early or something. I'll send a message to the mailinglist this evening.10:04
specialjuboxi: it's not my request, I meant that it's near the top of my list to solve ;)10:04
juboxispecial: ah i c10:04
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juboxiand why is the "dialogues" and "trilogues" are not shown aligned different side of screen ?10:05
juboxiwait, it is isn't it10:06
ggabrielNichope: sms10:06
juboxiI think the os is just missing a few icons and to fix the right == outwards in navigational structure and left == inwards in the navigational structure... why break something that fits with the wetwear10:07
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juboxiWhen showing multidirection härdell of sms it does not show the thumbnails of the users if they have pics10:08
juboxioh well..10:09
juboxi"Look mom. No buttons!!" ~Jolla on UI design shinyness10:09
Wntfound another Irssi proxy backlog script that works with the Sailfish IRC client too! https://github.com/sangh/IrssiProxyBacklogWindowSend10:09
juboxi"Look mum. A gigaton of boxes." ~MSFT on UI design opaqueness10:10
Wntthe downside is that it sends all missed messages from all channels to a special backlog channel instead of the channel where the message was originally in10:10
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juboxiWhy is Sailfish OS so unrefined10:11
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juboxiis it just a question of not enough time?10:11
juboximaybe you should hire more people.10:11
Stskeepsif you find bugs, report them on together.jolla.com10:11
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Nicd-Wnt: wow, they should've just tried WeeChat instead of all that trouble :P10:11
tachikomathe question that arises to me in that context - was the first android release better or worse - stability and refinement wise?10:12
juboxiThere are various areas in the SW that need work10:12
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Stskeepstachikoma: it's interesting to read reviews from back then for sure10:13
Nicd-Stskeeps: +110:13
tachikomayes10:13
Stskeepsrome wasn't built in a day10:13
tachikomai can remember when the g1 came out10:13
Nicd-shuttleworth really said this about the ubuntu phones: 'Ubuntu puts the control back into the hands of our partners and presents an exciting platform for consumers'10:13
WntNicd-: I'm so used to irssi that it would be painful to change to another client10:13
Nicd-control back into the partners :|10:13
Nicd-how about users?10:13
StskeepsNicd-: users don't pay $$$$ for consulting10:13
leinirNicd-: users != money10:13
Nicd-but why would "partners" take on ubuntu when android/ios/wp is already profitable?10:14
leinirwell, except in the case of a certain mobile chat thing that was just bought by a certain large social network... there, apparently, a user is worth about 38 usd ;)10:15
sharpneliMaybe amazon doesn't get all the data from android/ios/wp but they will form ubuntu phone?10:15
sharpneliJust like what ubuntu desktop does10:15
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tachikomaalso nur 'mittel zum zweck"?10:18
tachikomaargh, i did it again10:18
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Nicd-so fb bought whatsapp?10:19
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Nicd-or am I mistaken?10:20
Waiteewill buy10:20
Pnuuthat's what the news say10:20
Waiteeyeah10:20
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Nicd-ok, time to change then10:21
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tachikomacan't be bothered less, not facebook and no whatapp acount :)10:23
Nicd-I use whatsapp with my wife10:23
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tachikomawe are stcuk with jabber since years10:24
leinir*cough* bbm works fine on jolla :)10:24
tachikomathats this blacbkberry messenger?10:24
tachikomawell, i think i just live about 5 - 10 years in the past - communication tool wise10:25
tachikomai mean - i still use email a lot ;)10:25
goroborohello all10:25
goroborotalking about jabber... I'm trying to debug an xmpp connection that I can't get to work10:25
goroboroI know that it uses old-ssl and have set this with mc-tool10:26
tachikomain't whatsapp also some kind of jabber on steroids?10:26
Nichope(connection issues again) Good to hear it, suy :)10:26
goroboroare there logs for this kind of stuff?10:26
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tachikomainterresante annahme10:26
tachikomaargl10:26
specialgoroboro: did you try ignore-ssl-errors?10:27
goroboroyeah... tried that... nothing seems to help10:27
goroborothe account doesn't show under presences... so I can't get anything there... I'm down to using mc-tool to try to work out what is happening10:27
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specialit really needs better error UI.10:28
goroboroyeah... and more parameter settings in the accounts UI10:29
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specialif you're comfortable with debug logs, the most detailed info will come from (as nemo): killall telepathy-gabble; G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all GABBLE_DEBUG=all GABBLE_PERSIST=1 /usr/libexec/telepathy-gabble 2>&1 | tee gabble.log10:29
specialserver, port, priority, and ignore-ssl-errors are in the next update10:30
goroboroI think I had similar trouble with empathy on KDE... I seem to remember that I resolved it using libpurple10:30
goroborommm thanks special... will try that for debug10:30
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ponkyhello. any idea why my jolla doesn't keep facebook login active? i have to re-login like once or twice a day11:20
ponkyalso there's no option to use fb chat from messages11:20
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PeperitoIs your Presence set to online or away?11:22
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ponkyPeperito: online11:25
chem|stponky: facebook login in the browser? the other sync login etc from accounts should work without user-action. And are you sure you want to be always online with the current problems with connection bricking devices?11:25
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ponkychem|st: i added my account via settings -> accounts. contacts synced fine etc. Connection bricking devices? haven11:26
ponky't heard of it11:26
chem|stponky: buggy connections like weak signal or roaming wlan might crash connectivity for good, my device shutdown the screen and started flashing the led once11:28
ponkyaah, mine started to spam 'problem with connection' once, had to remove battery to shut down11:29
chem|stmy sister's had to recover the btrfs via telnet yesterday, bootlooping11:29
ponkyheh11:29
chem|stponky: if you want to be always on it might be better to go back to 2.5 atm11:30
ponkyit's just weird. we have identical setups with my friend but he has the option to use fb chat, i dont11:30
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chem|stdoes it show up in edit presence from notifications_11:30
chem|st?11:31
ponkynope11:31
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chem|stgo to accounts and edit your facebook one11:31
chem|stsee if something is not activated or if it is turn it of, not the account but the features and reboot11:32
ponkyi have sync and instant messaging enabled, sharing & feeds disabled11:33
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ponkyagain, identical to my friends setup and on his device there is facebook in presence details11:33
chem|stdisable all and reboot, get wlan online and activate them again11:33
ponkyok lets see11:33
chem|stagain, said procedure11:33
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chem|stif that does not help, remove the account, reboot, turn on wlan, setup account <- in that order11:34
chem|stI was unable to setup accounts on the first OS version when I had wlan and mdata activated in settings so stick to wlan-only for now11:35
chem|stor one connection only11:35
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ponkychem|st: nope :/11:40
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ponkyi removed the account, reboot, set up account again, immidiately after i get notification 'account needs to be updated'11:42
ponkyi re-login, nothing in precenses11:42
ponkycould this be related to fb security settings?11:42
salami`ponky: try removing sailfish oauth permissions from facebook with ur browser11:43
salami`and then add the account again11:43
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ponkysalami`: you mean entries in 'where you're logged in' ?11:44
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chem|stponky: is your device upgraded?11:45
ponkyyup11:45
chem|stok11:46
chem|styeah then it might be account settings by facebook lmc11:46
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salami`ponky: https://www.facebook.com/settings?tab=applications11:48
salami`remove the "jolla" application11:49
ponkysalami`: ah yeah, thanks11:49
ponkylets see11:49
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chem|stponky: that might not help it, edit the settings in facebook and see if it is allowed to actually use everything11:52
ponkysalami`: nope :(11:53
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ponkythis is so weird. why does it ask me to update account immidiately after i add it11:54
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CvPhello :)12:16
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skvarkfunny how different color PLA requires different printing temperature12:21
kimmoliskvark: so true.12:22
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kimmolii print mostly black as all settings are good for that...12:22
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ponkysalami` chem|st , i've tried with 3 different accounts now. 1 works 2 dont12:31
ponkyso it must have something to do with account settings in fb12:32
CvPwitch printer you have all!12:34
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CvPdamn cant install black oh theme :(12:36
CvPseems so, that the phone dosnt read the nfc12:36
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PeperJohnnyCvP: does it say that there's a problem with toh?12:39
osatonyou have tohd service running?12:39
CvPno, no message or anything12:39
CvPosaton , yes.i enable it on terminal12:40
CvPor do i have Start it too? , because reboot not help12:40
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kimmolicvp: Felix 1.512:45
osatonwhat does "systemctl status tohd.service" say12:45
kimmolistart, enable.12:46
kimmolior unmask tjsp, depends what you used for workaround ages ago12:46
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CvPactivat: inaktivate (dead) ..... hmmm12:51
CvPstart... comes massage: failed to issue method call: unit tohd.service is masked12:53
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osatonsystemctl unmask tohd.service12:56
kimmolicvp: unmask or enable12:56
AL13N_workor both12:57
AL13N_workand "start" while you're at it12:57
CvPok unmask + than start has work.... status active.... but nothing happend12:58
skvarkkimmoli: yeah, clear PLA required about 15 celcius more than black/blue12:58
CvPtake out, put on... no reaction12:58
osatonmaybe reboot again13:01
CvPok i do that13:01
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kimmoliit needs to register uid to jolla store and install ambiance rpm tjsp. took a while...13:03
Mnsuwhy "tjsp" when writing in English? :)13:04
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tango_http://trickytipsyfriend.blogspot.com.es/2014/02/samsung-will-also-use-sailfish-os-on-new-product.html is this true?13:05
tango_on a separate node: midi/rmi support from the media player in jolla: yes/no/maybe?13:05
ggabriel"If the rumors are true,"13:06
ggabrielthere are rumors that samsung eventually will make a tizen phone too, some day, perhaps, possibly.13:06
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tbrmayhaps13:07
tango_and re. midi?13:08
sakjurggabriel: Well, the Tizen rumor is pretty backed up by Samsung. On LinuxCon EU in Edinburgh, they were pretty convincing, with development units etc ;)13:09
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Morpog_Jollatango_: thats bullshit made up on hakullinen's tweet about sailfishos on samsung galaxy13:13
Stskeepslet's just say that if there was such a large deal, people who did leak something like that would be made to walk the plank13:14
CvPnope not working13:15
goroborogotta love modern journalists... "I saw someone tweet some crap... so I'll write an article on it... and cover myself by saying that its a rumour... and not bother to provide the source of the rumour"13:16
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PeperJohnnyCvP: what does systemctl status tohd.service say now?13:16
CvPsame like before13:16
PeperJohnnythat it's dead?13:16
CvPbut get os update,  i download / install again, maybe helps13:17
CvPno thats active :)13:17
PeperJohnnyOk13:17
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CvPno not helps... damn it13:23
osatonCvP, while you were gone "15:03 (kimmoli) it needs to register uid to jolla store and install ambiance rpm or something like that. took a while..."13:25
CvPthx13:25
CvPuid?13:25
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kimmoliCvP: NFC UID13:26
kimmolicheck cat /proc/interrupts | grep toh13:26
kimmolidoes the count value increase when attaching toh13:27
spiiroinCvP, kimmoli: "dbus-monitor --system path=/com/jolla/tohd" should tell what tohd sees and reports13:28
kimmoliyep that too.13:28
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CvP331:      9        0 msmpgio toh-event13:36
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ponkychem|st: i fixed it, heh15:18
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chem|stponky: how?15:27
ponkychem|st: well... when you add an account jolla asks if it can post for you.. i always skipped this part because i thought it's something similar to androids 'hey i'm using fb on android! yay' spam15:30
ponkyi think it was a bit misleading tbh15:31
sikakraahey, can someone tell me where to find the android (emulator) logs on jolla?15:33
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suyI've taken my jolla out my pocket, and it was extremely hot, and all the battery was almost drained :-/15:39
suyI hope it was some runaway process. I panicked and I've turned it off.15:40
Raimsikakraa: maybe you are looking for /opt/alien/system/bin/logcat15:42
chem|stsuy: was wlan or mdata on?15:42
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suychem|st: mobile data15:43
suyI think the radio eats more battery than the CPU. Or at least the device gets hotter on those cases. But I've never seen it like today.15:43
sikakraaRaim: probably, let's see :)15:43
chem|stsuy: radio eats definetly more battery than the cpu, but a turned off device is not getting us anywhere15:44
sikakraaRaim: yes, thank you!15:44
chem|stsuy: look on cpu usage next time please15:44
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suychem|st: I know, I've panicked. It was almost burning in my hand. I still have to look at how the journal is set up. But unless some app logs to it the status of CPU usage or radio, its not useful even if persistent storage is set up.15:45
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chem|stsuy: I had a wlan-usb-dongle molten in my hub last week... I know what you are talking about15:47
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friesewohoo, got my black to - looks really nice:)15:48
friese*toh15:48
chem|stfriese: grats!15:49
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jhellenI just did a factory reset and I still wonder why QuteSpotify, Mitakuuluu, Jopas etc can't be found in Jolla Store :/ Been using them for almost two months now.17:18
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Tofejhellen: dependencies on unstable qt api, I guess17:22
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Sail0rYEAH keira black arrived17:24
Morpog_PCany idea how to get keira black installed? it's loading since ages....17:24
Morpog_PCmine too Sail0r17:24
Morpog_PCbut it won't install :(17:24
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jhellenTofe: OK, and that means what exactly? :) Are the devs waiting for a stable api or who's to blame? ;)17:25
Sail0rinstalled on first try Morpog_PC17:25
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Morpog_PCdid it laos change to it?17:26
Morpog_PCalso17:26
Morpog_PCinstall popped up here too17:26
Morpog_PCnow endlessly installing17:26
Tofejhellen: it means they wait, yes, and also they are discussing with the community how to manage api evolutions in the future17:27
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TofeI don't know how far they are on that point, I  just remember it was a big topic at fosdem17:28
Morpog_PCSail0r, like that http://abload.de/img/20140220182717yyj4g.jpg :(17:29
* pahartik tried to install "TinyEdit" last night and it still on "waiting" state17:30
Sail0r:(17:31
Sail0rmaybe you need to clean up your ambience db17:31
Sail0rit's described on tjc17:32
Morpog_PCthat will makeme loose all my ambiences :(17:32
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Sail0rthat sucks17:33
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Anz_@pahartik, try installing it from openrepos?17:36
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pahartikAnz_: I wonder what is name of that package17:45
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pahartikAnz_: What I am more interested in... How to cancel and remove it or try installing again... Since now it is one item stuck on "Jolla Store"17:49
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kimmolimy First one is "broken" - kinda. it does not change anymore the ambiance. black and aloe installed nicely w/o trouble...18:29
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Hartzikimmoli: have you unfavorited TFO ambiance?18:58
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jhellenAnyone using Zoho mail on Jolla? I lost my working configuration and now I can't find out how to configure it. http://zsync.zohosites.com/Android.html19:21
jhellenBeen trying different configurations for over an hur now :/19:22
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cvpre19:37
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kimmoliHartzi: ashamed. should have tried that. thanks.19:59
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Zoe18 You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos6920:16
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jussispammer again... :/20:16
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slatealready in Z, will be out of alphabets soon.20:16
jussihehe20:16
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ShadowJKmy jolla dies sponteously20:33
Yanielrandom shutdowns?20:33
ShadowJKya20:34
ShadowJKtwice today20:35
Stskeepspull battery for 10 minutes past shutdown20:35
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ShadowJKheh20:38
kimmoli10 minutes past shutdown --- is that soon(tm) ?20:39
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Stskeepspress release: jolla gives you those 10 minutes of silence from the infernal noises of the interweb that you so desperately need20:40
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ShadowJKDidn't really have time for it today, pressed powerbutton in the same move as putting phone back in pocket20:40
kimmoliThis spontaneous random shutdown seems to be really selective. I have not seen it even once.20:40
ShadowJKand when I later checked it had booted and was running random apps already :)20:40
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katy26 Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos6922:04
p2-matego away!22:04
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EztranHmm. Are they making up new names for each time now? Seems a bit pointless seeing as only like 2 names got banned.22:05
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tbrwell it goes across all of freenode presumably22:06
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tbrif nobody clicks, it will go away over time as there will be no ad/referral revenue22:07
EztranActually, yeah, it has been. No channel's gonna have been banning each name in turn, though.22:07
EztranAnd... people have been clicking. 512 distinct users, apparently. And loads today.22:08
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Accesigh22:09
Accewhen will people learn22:09
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EztranMany of the clicks are probably from people just wondering what they're trying to advertise.22:10
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Accewell, that is probably true22:12
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shanttuis it possible to adjust balance with pacmd? my headphones are not balanced right.22:35
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