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Crystal27 Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos6900:05
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Kate23 Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos6902:04
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Anz_Stskeeps, ban everything that says bit{dot}do?02:50
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Betty30 You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos6904:03
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sharefreehi04:15
sharefreeWhere can I buy Jolla ?04:15
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sharefreehi Thoric04:18
sharefreedo you use jolla ?04:18
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pahartiksharefree: Can you walk to "DNA store" in Finland?04:39
sharefreepahartik, no I cannot04:39
sharefreeI think its too costly.. its for 400 Euros right ?04:40
sharefreepahartik, r u on jollamobile right now ?04:43
pahartiksharefree: I have device04:43
sharefreeok04:44
sharefreeis it full gnu/linux ?04:44
lpotterwhat do you mean by 'full'?04:44
pahartiksharefree: Yes, "glibc 2.15", "bash 3.2.51", "systemd 187"...04:47
sharefreepahartik, I mean is something trimmed down from a regular gnu/linux OS other than the layer of UI ?04:48
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lpotterwell.. there is no man pages04:51
sharefreelpotter, hehe ok04:52
sharefreeanything else /04:52
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pahartiksharefree: Personally "Sailfish Linux" feels less like embedded system than "Maemo Linux", for example04:54
sharefreeoh04:55
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sharefreepahartik, I think I cannot buy it as they do not ship it to my place05:00
pahartiksharefree: Maybe you can wait for while and see when it is available05:04
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sharefreepahartik, how long do I have to wait ?05:36
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pahartiksharefree: That I do not know... It seems most of Europe is covered at moment05:46
sharefreei live in Asia05:46
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Yanielyour best bet is probably to wait until D-Phone starts selling them then05:51
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sharefreeYaniel, D-Phone ?06:03
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Naomi19 Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos6906:03
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Yanielsharefree: a phone retail chain in China. They have a distribution deal with Jolla.06:07
YanielWhat part of Asia are you from?06:08
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sharefreeVillage - Suhana06:10
YanielCountry?06:12
Yanielsounds like India06:16
Yaniellots of people have asked if or when Jolla will start sales in India06:17
Yanielso chances are good once they start in Asia anyway06:17
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16WAAR63Rsharefree: or you can ask someone to buy and send it to you?06:27
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Yanielif you trust people on the internet ;)06:27
Dima^true06:28
Dima^but if you have some known friend in Europe?06:28
SiddeAnd don't trust Finns, they all have knives06:29
Dima^:D06:29
Dima^Yes, I do have knives.06:29
pawky|2probably forks as well...06:29
pawky|2maybe a spoon or two?06:30
Dima^nobody make nice forks or spoon. But finnish knives are state of the art.06:30
Siddepawky|2: those facts has not arrived here. We only know of the knives and alcohol06:30
pawky|2ahh... still living in the 15 century are we?, only eating with knives?06:31
SiddeAnd maybe drunk strangers at weddings06:31
pawky|2probably only the first part...06:31
pawky|2maybe that guy from india could be friends with jolla, so they send  him a phone :-)06:32
Dima^http://www.marttiini.fi/epages/MarttiiniShop.sf/fi_FI/?ObjectPath=/Shops/MarttiiniShop/Categories/Lahjapuukot  aren't these beautiful?06:33
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sharefreeDima^, would you do it ?06:34
Dima^knives?06:34
pahartikDima^: I eat with wooden chopsticks fairly often06:34
Dima^probably, when I got my workplace in to the basement of the new house06:35
Yanielso do I, but then I don't think I'm your average finn06:35
Dima^pahartik: I eat also, when I buy chenease food :)06:35
Dima^with sticks06:35
Dima^sharefree: but sure I can buy you Jolla and send it to you, if you cover all costs.06:36
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sharefreeDima^, how much would it cost to me in China ?06:36
pawky|2maybe you finnish guys should start carrying chopsticks instead... :-)06:37
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Siddepawky|2: the pub brawls would be a bit different then06:37
Yanielyeah they could get a bit too lethal06:38
pawky|2it shurely would... or should I say wood...06:38
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Dima^sharefree: lets see for some info.. moment06:38
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Dima^sharefree: what city is near?06:40
sharefreeShanghai06:40
sharefree:]06:40
Dima^DHL's service can not fint Suhana06:40
sharefreeDima^, Shanghai ?06:40
sharefreeMy aunt lives there06:40
Dima^found06:40
pawky|2you've got to be kidding me...06:40
Dima^do you know post code?06:40
sharefreeNo06:41
sharefreeDHL = Lotta money :[06:41
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pawky|2maybe you could pay of a bicycle cab to come fetch the package in Finland? :-)06:41
Yanielyour aunt lives in Shanghai? then you could get it when sales start in China06:41
pawky|2exactly..06:42
YanielI hope that will be during this year06:42
Yaniel(didn't they target Chinese new year initially anyway?)06:42
Dima^DHL's price is 162€06:42
sharefreeDima^, no i do not want it06:43
sharefreeI would buy an android device or try ebay06:43
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Yanielmmhm, there are a few devices on ebay06:44
Dima^ok finnish Itella's price is about 40€06:44
Yanielor at least were06:44
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Yanielnope, looks like they are all gone :(06:45
Dima^fastservice cost 46€06:45
StskeepsDima^: fwiw remember that dhl/itella won't ship lithium batteries abroad06:46
Dima^oh no.. it's 64€ for 1.5kg06:46
Dima^Stskeeps: oh.. ok06:46
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Dima^so then, no can do06:46
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YanielI'd say wait for sales start in China (or Asia in general) if you can06:46
Yanielif you just need a phone right now better get some cheap android one06:47
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pawky|2put jolla on a Nexus phone?06:50
Yanielafternoon ericcc06:50
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Sail0rkeira black rocks :) especially the sounds06:52
YanielI don't like the ringtone but no idea about the rest06:53
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Sail0rjust received an email sounds very cool06:53
Morpog_Jollayeah and the green theme is cool too06:55
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Sail0rdid it finally work Morpog_Jolla?07:00
Sail0ror did you remove your ambience db?07:01
Morpog_Jollayep, had to delete the db07:01
Sail0r:-/07:01
Morpog_Jollalost all my custom ambiences....07:01
Sail0rwould really like to know what happens to the db to become it fu**ed07:02
Morpog_Jollabut it works finally \o/07:02
Sail0ryay07:02
Yanielhuh, I thought my ambience modification would be reset when I had to reboot07:02
Yanielapparently it wasn't07:02
ericccYaniel:  hellp07:06
ericccYaniel: long time  no  see07:06
Yanielsorry, should have said 你好 :>07:07
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ericccYaniel: 下午好啊07:36
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Sail0rhm my Jolla shows two updates of libs is it safe to install them ? libherepositioning and here-daemons08:00
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Sail0rversion 1.2.0-10.6.1.jolla08:00
StskeepsSail0r: if it's in warehouse you see it, the only supported update mechanism is through store..08:02
Sail0rsaw it through pkcon because i wanted to install smth from mer-tools08:02
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Sail0rso i leave it at the old version?08:03
Crystal27 Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos6908:03
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stn^apparently that url doesn't change, maybe it's time to filter that08:06
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Sail0rStskeeps: are libs currently updated through the store?08:08
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sharefreeSail0r, suppp08:24
arsailfish on jolla doesn't utilize selinux, right?08:25
Stskeepscorrect08:26
specialar: not so far08:26
specialanything could happen08:26
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joonahoiStskeeps: can you +b *!*@95.141.20.196 there seems to have been a visit from a new incarnation of the pestering bot08:28
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joonahoithanks08:29
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Stskeepshttp://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2014/02/jolla-phone-news-sailfish-os-for.html - discuss08:37
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svuorelaStskeeps: ohh.. a angry nerds other half. but what does it do ?08:39
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Stskeepsi'm the wrong person to ask about that, but .. look pretty?08:39
svuorelaoh.08:40
specialyou can throw your phone at walls to destroy them, I'd assume08:40
svuorelaI was hoping something exciting.08:40
Stskeepsi don't know, personally, i'm all on the other side of the spectrum :)08:40
Raimspecial: that sounds more like flappy bird08:40
specialhaha08:40
Raimspecial: angry birds never caused that level of frustration ;)08:40
specialyes it does08:40
Stskeepsthat's a good point, why has nobody made flappy bird AR yet?08:40
Bysmyyr_that f-secure thing is interesting, but their client do not work in linux08:41
svuorelaStskeeps: I'm also not really into angry birds, but it would be exciting to see a other half that was more than ambience08:41
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Sail0rhm wasn't angry birds having problems with privacy?08:42
ln-anyone concerned with their privacy shouldn't be using a cell phone at all.08:43
Stskeepswhat ln- said..08:43
Stskeepswe have a prototype somewhere made of potato powder though to emulate the feel of a jolla however08:43
fluxyeah, I seriously doubt Jolla will be "ready" at March at the level consumers might expect08:44
fluxbut at least we'll get an upgrade then ;-)08:44
PeperJohnnyThe thing is that normal customers won't be so patient i suppose =(08:45
Sail0rln-:  yes i know that. But I must use one for work so i watch at the privacy on the device. One reason for buying a jolla was the privacy ;)08:45
Sail0rbut it's cool08:45
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Sail0rI want to see photos of the angry birds toh :)08:46
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svuorelaadding a rubberband and a pressure sensor could give a more 'live' experience08:47
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Sail0rI want the toh from the "preparing for mwc" picture :)08:49
PeperJohnnySail0r: the pink one?08:50
Sail0ryep08:50
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svuorelaoh. a pink one. I want08:50
svuorelaz08:50
Sail0rhttp://www.jollausers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Bg2MLUPCYAAEmaG.jpg08:50
Waitee_that might be a cherry mx keyboard08:51
Waitee_not sure though08:51
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Jopeit is not a cherry mx keyboard08:52
nahkissit's IBM model m08:52
Jopeit is not an IBM model m08:52
svuorelaSail0r: nice table. is it yours ?08:52
Waitee:D08:52
Sail0rhehe no ^^08:52
nahkisswell pretty close to Model M08:52
Jopethe industrial design is a Model M copy, yes08:52
jussilove the dirty coffee cup... :D08:52
Sail0rbut it wouldn't say no to that table ;)08:53
svuorelais it a barcode scanner next to the keyboard ?08:53
Jopemeh, who bothers going back to the kitchen to wash it after drinking08:53
Jopeyes, it is a barcode scanner08:53
jussithat table is a lot of work going on... good to see08:53
Jope<308:53
Waiteei've got a similiar looking keyboard which is cherry mx08:53
Jopea man is at his happiest when he has access to hardware08:53
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Jopewaitee, this particular keyboard is mitsumi hybrid switch with buckling rubber sleeve springs08:54
nahkissWaitee: Cherry MX is a keyboard key switch brand08:54
Jopeindeed..08:54
Waiteenahkiss: cherry mx also made keyboards themselves08:54
Jopethe keyboard is incidentally also by mitsumi, but was OEMd for Commodore08:54
Jopecherry is the name of the company08:54
Jopecherry mx is the name of a particular line of switches that cherry makes08:54
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Jopebut by no means the only cherry microswitch out there08:55
Jopejust to split hairs08:55
Waiteewell anyways it's Cherry keyboard with Cherry MX Blacks08:55
Jopeyep08:55
JopeI don't like the linear cherry switches myself08:55
JopeI want a tactile snap08:55
nahkisssomething like this? http://petermoulding.com/images/technology/keyboards/cherry_g81-3000_7.jpg08:55
Jopeso blues or browns would be my choice if I went cherry08:55
Waiteei've got blues for typing08:55
Waiteenahkiss: older08:55
nahkissI'm happy with blacks, don't know better tho08:55
Venemohey08:55
Waiteei think it's g80-100008:55
Venemoso I saw this new jolla press release08:56
Venemo"The Wait is Over: Jolla Releases Sailfish OS 1.0 and is Now Ready to Scale up Globally"08:56
VenemoI thought we already had Sailfish OS 1.0 in our hands!08:56
Jopemmm, comms messages <308:56
Waiteehttp://pds13.egloos.com/pds/200906/27/89/d0015989_4a459c0277643.jpg08:56
Waiteethat one08:56
PeperJohnnyVenemo: you gotta sell it somehow^^08:57
Jopewaitee, nice and beige. :-)08:57
PeperJohnnyi think it's a marketing thing08:57
Waiteefound it in our university electronics disposal08:58
RaimVenemo: sorry, you only have 1.0.3.8. Jolla version numbers are #unlike? ;)08:58
Waitee:D08:58
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VenemoRaim: 1.0 > 1.0.3.8?08:59
svuorelaI guess they mean 1.0~3.808:59
RaimVenemo: I'm just kidding08:59
Jopehehe08:59
JopeI'm not sure whether you're being serious or not about the version number08:59
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Venemobut why announce the availability of something now, if you've had it for >2 months?09:00
Jopeso you are serious09:00
Jopeit's some comms guy who thinks "out of beta" is synonymous with 1.009:00
Jopedon't lose any sleep over it09:00
Jopeat least not worth speculating or finding hidden meanings in it09:00
StskeepsVenemo: you have to remember the audience, MWC is coming up, who has only heard of sailfish beta..09:00
Jopetoo bad he chose those words09:00
Stskeepsbut yeah, it's just a press release09:00
Stskeeps1.0 is 'stable' in people's minds..09:01
VenemoStskeeps: isn't it stable?09:01
AcceSo is the idea of releasing sailfish UI android app to show the UI? or to replace the android UI?09:01
Jopevenemo, we were marketing it as beta09:02
Jopethat doesn't imply instability..09:02
VenemoJope: ah, I understand09:03
Jopebut yeah, don't worry about the 1.0 too much :-)09:03
headhunter_Hi! Anyone has an idea how to register a URI scheme handler in Sailfish?09:03
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headhunter_e.g. I want a browser to open links like ololo://link.com09:04
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Sail0rI hope for the bluetooth features in 1.0 :)09:05
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kimmoliJope: email...09:09
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Venemoanyway, it's time for the february update, don't you think?09:09
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Jopekimmoli, in a meeting but will get back to you soon09:09
kimmoliok09:10
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Gordon`Hi. Is there a simple way to restart a daemon (i.e. sshd)?09:58
Gordon`i tweaked sshd_config, but changes are not taken into account yet, and there is no /etc/init.d scripts09:58
PeperJohnnysystemctl restart sshd.service in a root shell09:58
Raimsimplest: reboot09:58
Gordon`thanks09:58
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Gordon`well, now my client SSH key is still not recognized10:02
Sail0ri just copied my ssh key to .ssh/authorized_keys10:03
Sail0rno need to restart or tweak sshd_config10:03
RaimI did the same, nothing special was required in the sshd_config10:03
Gordon`i uncommented the RSAAuthentication, PubKeyAuthentication and AuthorizedKeys lines, added my keys within /home/nemo/.ssh/authorized_keys, but sshd still asks me for a password10:04
Sail0rdoes the authorized_keys file have the right permissions10:04
Sail0rmaybe it's world readable?10:04
Gordon`nope10:04
Gordon`64010:05
Sail0r60010:05
Sail0rthat's what i have10:05
Gordon`still asking for my password10:05
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specialyou don't need any changes to sshd_config10:05
Gordon`yup, i removed my changes10:06
specialjust authorized_keys owned by the correct user and group, ideally 600, in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys10:06
Sail0ris the file owned by nemo10:06
Sail0r?10:06
Gordon`yes10:06
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Sail0rwhat says journalctl -f ?10:06
Gordon`ho, I didn’t know this command :)10:07
Gordon`“Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory /home/nemo/.ssh”10:07
Gordon`[root@localhost nemo]# ls -l /home/nemo/.ssh/10:08
Gordon`total 410:08
Gordon`-rw------- 1 nemo nemo 1151 2014-02-21 10:53 authorized_keys10:08
specialchmod go-w ~/.ssh10:08
tevechmod 700 /home/nemo/.ssh10:08
specialor that10:08
Gordon`oh10:08
Gordon`still morning, not fully awaken yet… thanks :D10:09
Sail0r;)10:09
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Gordon`another question: i bought a microSD card10:15
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Anz_Gordon class?10:16
Gordon`no automatic recognition, no UI message. I formatted it to btrfs, tweaked /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh as adviced in together.jolla.com, but now, will my files (pictures, music…) stored on it be automatically registrered in the media gallery?10:17
Gordon`class 10 64GB10:17
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WntGordon: at laest music is registered automatically on my similar setup10:18
Wnthaven't tried images10:18
Gordon`also, /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/ is owned by root, is it normal?10:18
Gordon`is it a good idea to chown it to nemo?10:19
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Wntremember to unmount the sd before removing it ;)10:19
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Gordon`can the nemo user do it?10:20
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Gordon`how is managed the media db update? I transferred ~1GB of music, but only 3 songs are seen by the app10:28
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zmohi!10:57
zmoI was discussing with a friend10:57
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zmoand we went to the point where we wondered about how has been designed the communications between baseband and SoC in Jolla phone10:57
Stskeepsthe modem sits on the SoC practically10:58
StskeepsMSM8930, APQxxxx is the one where it's seperate10:58
zmobasically, has the baseband a dedicated channel with the SoC, or does it has DMA?10:58
Stskeepson the nexus 4, the modem is factually connected over usb10:58
zmoi.e.: can the baseband take over every feature of the phone without the SoC knowing?10:59
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tachikomareally, that sound weird10:59
Stskeepstachikoma: when you bring up the modem on a n4, usb messages apepar10:59
tachikomai mena the usb baseband thinggy10:59
tachikomayeah, fascinating10:59
Stskeepszmo: you should probably be scared of any baseband and what it can do in your stead11:00
tachikomaindeed11:00
Stskeepsas an example, a baseband can open tcp/ip connections of it's own11:00
tachikomayeah, the old story of phones being used as bug even when turned of come to mind11:00
zmoStskeeps - indeed, but if the baseband can't take over interfaces with the physical world or data within the memory or the SoC11:01
tachikomamy fix for that always was a small toy from some turkish phone accesories store in a trainstation.11:01
zmothe harm is limited11:01
Stskeepszmo: it can share memory with the soc, no problem11:01
tachikomaIt blinks when the phone is transmitting. Should it ever blink when the device is turned of ....11:01
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zmook, so DMA :-s11:02
zmo(well, like any other phone around)11:02
Stskeepszmo: basically there's enough things to be scared of if you are truly paranoid11:02
zmoStskeeps - I'm not really paranoid11:02
zmoI just like to be aware11:02
tachikomaStskeeps: i heard interesting approaches to that issue on openmoko devices - in the direction that one can control power levels for the baseband and turn it off for real that way11:02
Stskeepstachikoma: sure, but do you trust your power management IC? :>11:03
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Nicd-it's turtles all the way down11:03
tachikomame? i only trust jolla *big grin*11:03
Stskeepspersonally i'd like a SDR based device11:03
tachikomana, in fact i have two calypso baseband phones i play with running osmocombb11:04
tachikomascary that is indeed11:04
zmotachikoma - ahah, I'm thinking on getting one as well :-)11:04
tachikomaStskeeps: you mean a sdr device to do gsm with?11:04
zmobut having a "useable" phone I can code on was priority11:05
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Stskeepsor just idle band communication11:05
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tachikomazmo: after that 'let me answer that for you' talk on some ccc or blackhat conference the prices for these phones suddenly nearly doubled on amazon11:05
tachikomafrom 20 to 40 euro or so ;)11:05
zmotachikoma - I know :-)11:05
tachikomahehe11:05
Acceidea: metal case TOH to prevent all spying of your Jolla by grounding your antennas.11:06
tachikomai wonder when this will be declared illegal ouside research projects11:06
ShadowJKjust attachrd black cover... i think these ambiences thingy are a bit weird11:06
zmotachikoma - I've been at one of the first talks by Karsten on the topic11:06
MMxStskeeps: in unrelated news: it would be great if Jolla would offer a discount if you buy multiple OtherHalfs, or even a pack with all available colors for less than the sum of the individual prices.11:06
zmoI don't remember exactly whether it was HAR, the cccongress or the cccamp11:06
ShadowJKi have to favourite atleast two ambiences in gallery  in orser t9 be abke to switch?11:06
tachikomazmo: since i have kids i only watched the stuff recorded lately11:07
StskeepsMMx: together.*11:07
MMxStskeeps: you know whether this is requested on together yet?11:07
StskeepsMMx: i don't remember11:07
MMxor should I add it?11:07
Stskeepscan't hurt to11:07
zmoMMx - hint: there's a search box :-)11:07
MMxI ran a search, but didn't find anything11:07
zmothen ask :-)11:07
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zmodamn, already noon and I did not take my breakfast11:08
MMxbut search has been unreliably for me in the past already11:08
ShadowJKor is there supposed to be way to switch ambience from gallery?11:08
AcceMMx: try different words / wording11:08
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specialShadowJK: gallery, ambiences, tap one, pull down?11:09
Accenot just exactly what you had in mind, but what others could have asked11:09
zmoor reask, at worst it'll be marked as duplicate11:09
ShadowJKspecial: oh, didnt notice11:09
zmowith a full question, you may get suggestions of related posts that are closer11:09
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CvPhi :)11:37
* Morpog_Jolla wonders about inception on his Jolla by installing Android SailfishOS launcher into AlienDalvik :)11:38
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hzb:)11:40
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Sail0rhttp://www.thejollablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/SavedPicture-2014221185159.jpg11:43
Sail0ris this the real cover?11:43
Sail0rI love it :x11:43
ggabrielnicccce11:44
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Morpog_Jollacould be a render11:46
ggabrielstill nice11:47
Morpog_Jollasure11:47
ggabrielthey're in the same building anyway, right?11:47
ggabrieljolla could disable their toilets and offer them jolla's toilets on the condition that they make that :P11:48
specialnot the same building11:48
ggabrielaww11:48
ggabrielwhat a shame11:48
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specialhttps://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/436810350986420225 is the source fwiw11:49
Raimggabriel: they are actually making that, did you miss the press release? :-)11:50
ggabrielthat's quite cool11:50
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ggabrielRaim: i wish i had more time to follow jolla etc11:50
Sail0rBut it does not seem that a keyboard is coming :-/11:51
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ggabrielmaybe this device has too many challenges for that11:51
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Sail0rhm?11:52
Raimggabriel: yeah, I know. just wanted to point you at it.11:52
ggabrielSail0r: you know, camera position and all that11:52
ggabrielor maybe it's just lack of capacity11:52
Sail0rLoosing camera would net be the problem for many who want a keyboard i think11:53
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ggabrielSail0r: and i'd agree11:53
Sail0ror only camera when keyboard is swiped out11:53
ggabrielbut my opinion often doesn't match everybody's11:53
ggabrielor most people's11:53
ggabrielit's most likely capacity, thinking about it11:53
PeperJohnnyI don't think that it's too hard to drill a hole in such a cover:X11:53
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Morpog_JollaSail0r: I guess an official qwerty toh has to wait till the os got more landscape support11:54
ggabrieltrue that11:54
Sail0rBut it's out of beta now. Maybe landscape already got more landscape.11:54
Sail0r*os11:54
Sail0r^^11:54
ggabrieluh?11:54
ggabrielout of beta?11:54
Morpog_Jollayep11:55
Sail0rread the press release11:55
PeperJohnnyWell with the next update11:55
ggabrielsorry, i'll read then11:55
Sail0rPeperJohnny: yes11:55
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Morpog_JollaI think thpse performance improvements hint to Qt 5.2.x in next update11:55
Sail0rI still hope for a keyboard toh that's one reason why i bought a jolla11:55
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AL13N_workSail0r: didn't someone make 100 TOH keyboards?11:56
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PeperJohnnyI got used to the vkbd. i'm not that fast anymore like with the n900, but it's ok11:56
Sail0ryeah but i don't really like that design11:56
AL13N_work...ic11:56
Sail0rthey are very cool but i think it's too many waste of space11:56
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AL13N_workwell, if i would ever get one, i'd not get qwerty11:57
AL13N_workso, if someone made it, it should have reconfigurable keys11:57
AL13N_workthat would be a lot cooler11:58
PeperJohnnyyou're one of these dvoraks? :D11:58
PeperJohnnyor what it was called oO11:58
Pnuuor azerty?11:58
Pnuuor qwertz?11:58
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ggabriele-ink keys :P11:59
Venemonah, on the N9(50) I got so good with the VKB that I'm now quite fast with it11:59
Sail0rmaybe the new video of the keyboard toh on tmo is so good that i need to get one12:00
sharefreedoes any1 know where can I buy jolla mobile in China ?12:02
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AL13N_workVenemo: too bad your upgrade of IRC app removed my channels :-)12:04
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katy18 Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos6912:04
Venemo[12:43] <Venemo> AL13N: can you please detail your experience here? https://github.com/communi/communi-sailfish/issues/7912:04
VenemoAL13N_work: ^^^12:04
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sharefreeAL13N_work, can I buy jolla mobile from ebay ?12:05
AL13N_workheh, i stopped keeping track of that12:06
AL13N_workwhen the website got opened12:06
sharefreeAL13N_work, ok12:06
Venemosharefree: see http://jolla.com12:06
Venemosharefree: there is a section "Live outside the EU?"12:07
sharefreeVenemo, they do not ship to South Asian Countries12:07
AL13N_workVenemo: where is this section?12:08
Venemosharefree: so, there's your answer12:08
VenemoAL13N_work: use Ctrl+F12:08
AL13N_workoh there12:11
AL13N_workfigured at first you meant the FAQ12:11
sharefreeAL13N_work, says leave your details we would inform you someday if possible12:11
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AL13N_workyes, i've done this before12:12
AL13N_worki recall that12:12
sharefreebut they would not do anything about it12:13
sharefreeAL13N_work, did you see Revolution by Geeksphone ?12:13
Venemothey will inform you when it's available in your country12:13
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sharefreeVenemo, how would they know about my country ?12:15
ggabrielthey have an agreement with facebook, which bought whatsapp, which has your number :P12:16
pahartikVenemo: "communi-sailfish" forgot all about defined networks except one, probably due to getting killed (and they had not been saved to file) or due to upgrade12:17
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sharefreeggabriel, wtf ?12:18
* ggabriel being ironic ;)12:18
ggabrielsharefree: i guess they'll update you as they roll out to other countries and you have to keep an eye on it12:19
pahartikVenemo: Suggestion: Settings should be saved each time network is added or modified12:19
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sharefreeggabriel, Did you test tizen yet ?12:19
ggabrielnah12:20
ggabrieli don't buy samsung12:20
tachikomai has such a bad name ...12:20
tachikomatitzen12:20
ggabriellol12:20
Waiteehmm?12:20
Waiteewhats bad with samsungs name?12:20
ggabrieltizen is only being implemented by samsung12:20
ggabrielhave i tried tizen? no, i don't buy samsung12:21
sharefreetachikoma, its by Linux Foundation, so it would succeed probably12:21
tachikomatizen just sounds weird to me12:21
tachikomasharefree: that would be nice, all that bugs me is the name ;)12:21
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ggabrielthe few youtube videos i saw looked like a really cheap copy of ios12:21
Waiteei dont think so12:22
tachikomai doubt it would be any more free than android, but i like surprises12:22
ggabrielmy opinion anyway12:22
ggabriellike i said, i won't buy a samsung, so i don't think i'll ever try it unless somebody else implements it on a mobile device12:22
chem|stStskeeps: having jolla xmpp support up to speed (otr carbon etc) with a jabber server by jolla (with jolla account) could have made an impact...12:22
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Waiteei havent bought any samsung devices but as i've seen them the only resemblance to ios or iphones is the button in the middle bottom12:23
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Waiteei know they used very similiar marketing a couple years back and they paid for it12:23
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Waiteei dont hate any manufacturer nor do i say one variation is "the best"12:24
Waiteethere's similiar people like the so called "macfags" in linux communities too12:25
ggabrieli don't hate anybody, just had bad experience with samsung, so why give them my money?12:25
ggabrieland i'm vocal12:25
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Waiteedidnt say you have to spend your money on samsung12:25
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sharefreeI want a phone with full gnu/linux12:25
Waiteei dont12:25
sharefreeSailfish OS / Tizen are better than Android12:25
chem|stWaitee: I bought a tab2 7" cause it does not have buttons12:26
Waiteesharefree: not in all cases12:26
Venemopahartik: thanks for reporting12:26
chem|stand am waiting for sailfishOS ever since, but was told that omap CPU is at the end of the line12:26
Waiteei still think you get way more for your money if you buy a nexus 4 instead of jolla12:26
ggabrielthe jolla has better reception than the nexus 412:27
sharefreeWaitee, true12:27
chem|stWaitee: yes and how do you pay that extra? As soon as you get something for free/cheap, you become the product12:27
ggabrielso, if you want bad reception for less money, yeah12:27
sharefreeWaitee, which android quad-core phone do you recommend in budget ?12:27
StskeepsWaitee: fwiw i see sailfishos on both and i don't know, it feels more natural on the jolla device12:27
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Stskeeps(and that's my personal opinion, not my professional)12:27
Waiteesharefree: no idea, i've got jolla and i love it12:27
sharefreeWaitee, I cannot have jolla :[12:28
sharefreei wish they sold it here12:28
sharefreeI want it too12:28
Waiteebut as i've tried my friends phones nexus 4 and 5 are great12:28
ggabrielsharefree: move to EU :D12:28
Waiteeso is the huawei p612:28
sharefreeits cute and nice12:28
leiniri really like my jolla... there's a few issues with it, but i know the niggles i've got are being worked on, so... yeah, i'm very happy with it :)12:28
ggabrielnexus 5 also less reception than jolla (but a bit better than 4)12:28
chem|stsharefree: 80eur china-import, seen some very quality phones and all are faster and more stable than any sammy I have seen12:28
sharefreeWaitee, huawei g700 ? howz is that ?12:28
Waiteesend a link to it12:28
leiniri suspect, however, that come summer i shall be disappointed with its sunlight performance, but nothing's going to trump the lcd in the n950 for that anyway ;)12:28
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sharefreehttp://consumer.huawei.com/en/mobile-phones/features/g700-en.htm Waitee12:29
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chem|stany timelines on the "soon"(TM)?12:30
chem|stwhy are there no hotfixes for that connection mess?12:30
ggabriel:D12:30
Waiteeim okay with the flaws on jolla since i knew im getting a beta phone12:30
Stskeepschem|st: wife keeps asking me the same thing12:30
tachikomalol12:30
tachikomais there some way to stop it going insane without shuting it down and rebooting?12:31
ggabrielStskeeps: but you can respond "when you do <something that she doesn't want to do>"12:31
chem|stStskeeps: it is strange to upgrade with a mess like this and not hotfixing it 3 weeks later already12:31
Waiteei wouldnt be okay if i bought a top end android device and found the same flaws :P12:31
Stskeepschem|st: hearing you loud and clear..12:31
* Stskeeps is just me12:31
Waiteesharefree: looks okay, read a couple of reviews and if possible go and try your hands on it at a local electronics store or something12:32
chem|stStskeeps: is the showstopper policy there or some relevant cause?12:32
sharefreeWaitee, I live in a village so no trying out .. that is y I rely on what others say12:32
sharefree:]12:32
AL13N_worki thought tizen was dead?12:32
Waiteehuaweis android launcher ui is very similiar to ios12:32
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sharefreeAL13N_work, it would not die ..12:33
sharefreeBut Ubuntu touch might kill it all12:33
Waiteeit actually feels like ios :D12:33
Waiteebut you can install a new launcher for it if you want so it's not a problem12:33
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sharefreeWaitee, which one ?12:34
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Waiteeat least the P612:34
sharefreeYa Huawei is making it like iOS12:34
sharefreeheh12:34
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sharefreeWaitee, is huawei trust worthy ?12:34
Waiteehttp://consumer.huawei.com/en/mobile-phones/features/p6-u06-en.htm12:34
chem|stsharefree: from todays announcement you may install a sailfish launcher "soon"(TM)12:34
sharefreeI love the data cards by huawei12:34
Waiteemy father has that one12:34
tachikomaas trustworthy as any of them ...12:34
leinirwell, none of the various governments over here think so, so i would guess at yes ;)12:35
AL13N_workmy sis-in-law will be getting rid of the huawei12:35
TMavicaGood to see Hong Kong is first release city!!!12:35
Waiteesharefree: same as all the manufacturers12:35
sharefreeWaitee, how is the performance and his response about it ?12:35
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sharefreechem|st, on what ?12:35
chem|sttachikoma: do not go online is one way to not have it reboot12:35
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chem|stsharefree: android12:35
sharefreeWaitee, ok so a no go for samsung ?12:35
tachikomachem|st: you mean - never go online or go offline in case the loopinhg connection problem occurs?12:36
chem|sttalking about launcher is android or is some other OS calling its UI launcher that way?12:36
tachikomai likie my ainol tablet12:36
chem|sttachikoma: never go online12:36
chem|sttachikoma: as soon as you have a buggy connection it is gone12:36
tachikomaainol must be the most chaotic, most clueless company i ever bought a really good product from.12:36
chem|sttachikoma: I go online either when I know I have stable wlan or kinda emergency12:36
Waiteesharefree: all manufacturers have poor and great devices12:36
Waiteethe poor devices implement most of the same features as the top end but with lower grade hardware12:37
sharefreeWaitee, I think huawei is good enough, but i like Lenovo P780 too12:37
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sharefreeit has 4000 mAH of juice12:37
Waiteewhich is why you shouldnt buy a cheap android devicce12:37
tachikomaainol fire 7 something - they had bugs, got firmware update from the oem manufacturer - did not get that released as a android update because they were clueless. What dod they do? They release to oem flashing tool to flash devices in large scale to their customers ...12:38
Waitee-c*12:38
tachikomanow i can directly write the whole nand of that device :)12:38
Waitee:D12:38
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Stskeepschem|st: i think it really comes down to manpower, a connectivity related hotfix really affects everything in a stack12:38
tachikomawell - i can actually write the nand of 16 devices at the same time :)12:38
Stskeepschem|st: similarly if we had to change opengl es2 driver12:38
Waiteebut yea if you pay more than 350e for an android device from a large manufacturer you'll get what you want12:38
Stskeepsanyway, "Furthermore - and I did not see this one coming - they will release a Sailfish launcher for Android that brings some of the operating system's unique features to Android."12:39
Stskeepswhy would we do that? wild speculations welcome12:39
Waiteewhy not?12:39
sharefreeWaitee, I cannot find a good device yet\12:39
sharefreeDual SIM is killing the market for Single SIM lovers12:39
tachikomahttp://bbs.ainol.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2183512:39
ggabrielcoz ppl will like it and it will suck on android due to no multitasking and so on?12:40
ggabrielso they'll get a jolla?12:40
tachikomabest comment on ainol bbs ever :)12:40
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WaiteeStskeeps: it's pretty easy to implement and mostly people dont think it's worth the risk installing a new operating system on a phone12:40
tbrStskeeps: I'd like to see the technical implementation of this 'launcher' before I comment. tnx ;)12:40
chem|stStskeeps: you do that to show people what it be like with the real system?12:41
Waiteeonce people first try the sailfish launcher on android they get used to the operating system12:41
leinirgateway drugs ;)12:41
Waiteeand will less likely feel lost if they swap to jolla12:41
sharefreeJolla phone is too costly12:42
ggabrielcost me less than the n9 back then....12:42
PeperJohnnyBesides easier to not lose all their stuff12:42
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WaiteePeperJohnny: that aslo12:43
Waiteealso*12:43
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tachikomai think people don;t give a f. about what os they run as long as they can do what they intend to do or are used to do with the device12:43
chem|stI had another evening of "§%!awfW with my galaxy tab2 - give me sailfishOS take my money!12:44
tachikomaso i can;t believe that when they would like the jolla launcher that they would buy a sailfish os.12:44
ggabrielbut the launcher is not everything though12:44
PeperJohnnytachikoma: somehow jolla has to try to get a larger marketshare12:44
ggabrieli still can't believe that android/ios don't have a centralised messaging solution12:44
ggabrieland "facebook messages are easier to see than google messages"12:45
ggabrielor "whatsapp messages are easier to access than sms"12:45
PeperJohnnyggabriel: thats something that annoys the hell out of me if i have to switch between 3-4 apps to see all messages :<12:45
tachikomaif the jolla ui works for them they will just use it on android.12:45
tachikomaif it does not work for them, they will just stop using it12:46
PeperJohnnytachikoma: at first, but if the device breaks or a new one is needed, maybe then they will switch12:46
ggabrielso, basically ios/android is a platform where apps compete with one another12:46
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Waiteetachikoma: most nerds that like it will install sailfish12:46
tachikomaPeperJohnny: but then i still believ the design of the device, battery runtime, other hardware factors will dominate theri decission12:46
tachikomaWaitee: i'm not talking about nerss but the majority of users12:47
Waiteei also believe jolla will make a gui installer for sailfish12:47
tachikomanerds you don;t need a ui for to lure them over12:47
Waiteetachikoma: jolla is a nerd hacker phone inside out12:47
tachikomanerds need a github access to some source to change12:47
PeperJohnnytachikoma: as far as i'm concerned a lot of people look only at the design or if it is an apple12:47
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tachikomaWaitee: yes, i know. I am a nerd hacker12:47
Waiteelesser nerds need the installer12:47
Pnuutachikoma: you hack nerds?-)12:48
PeperJohnnyand maybe they don't aim at europe but at china where everyones supposed to flash his device as they please12:48
tachikomaI think more 'average' users will buy jolla because of this angry bird thingy  than the interfaace12:48
Pnuu(I'll get mi coat)12:48
tachikomaPnuu: all the time ;)12:48
roboroI think that when TOH moves on from just updating ambiences... it will be a big draw-card for users12:48
tachikomaPnuu: yess, the fast show - i love it12:48
WaiteePeperJohnny: i've heard it's more common in china to flash your device12:49
Pnuuamongst the best :-)12:49
Waiteethan in europe or america12:49
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PeperJohnnyI think that we will gain some clarity about the purpose of this move^^12:49
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tachikomaPnuu: can watch that show over and over again12:51
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Pnuuthis week I've mostly been watching olympics12:52
* kimmoli is not going, but my OLED OtherHalf is going to MWC2014 !!!12:52
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tachikomaphew, i guess i realized that there is olympics, but thats about it12:53
Waiteekimmoli: congraz!12:53
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roborokimmoli: awesome12:53
Waiteemeanwhile in sweden12:53
Waiteeulle ulle12:53
Waiteeulle12:53
Waiteetitta12:53
tachikomatizen?12:54
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Waiteehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw3e64sosEg12:54
Waiteethere's sweden vs finland playing hockey in the olympics12:56
tachikomaoh, i just watch a tizen video and realize in english it sound much cooler than in german12:56
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WaiteeYEAAAAH13:05
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ggabrieli saw some finnish supporters for the olympics in austria last week actually13:06
ggabrielcool ppl13:06
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louisdkShouldn't the ringtones and theme change with a put on an another cover? I switched from the white yesterday to the first-one red.13:34
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ggabrieli think that's the idea13:35
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reviewjollalouisdk only if the ambience is favourite13:35
reviewjollaor in the first time13:35
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ggabrielgood point13:35
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chem|stlouisdk: it only switches when it was never put on before or it is marked as favourite13:44
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chem|stlouisdk: it does not switche when it was the last cover on before, so you can acces sdcard and sim without any impact on the ambience13:45
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zmoI get something weird13:56
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Yanielhmm=13:56
zmowhen I connect to together.jolla.com13:56
zmoI'm often getting an invalid certificate check13:56
zmo"together.jolla.com uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is only valid for sky.update.com"13:56
Yanieluhh13:56
zmowhich definitely looks suspicious13:56
louisdkreviewjolla,chem|st: Ah okay. Now I just need to find out what the ambiance for the first-one other half is called.13:56
Yanielwell as long as the login page is what it should be13:57
svuorelasnow white13:57
PeperJohnnylouisdk: the first one :D13:57
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AMDwho's looking forward to Jolla's TOH?13:59
Yanielwhich one?14:00
AMDAngry birds- Younited- Makia14:00
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roborozmo: using a proxy by any chance?14:00
AMDi so want the angry birds one for my bday :v14:00
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Isabella22 You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos6914:04
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louisdkThis is the types of ambiances I've available: http://imgur.com/LByewPw - Nobody is called "The first one" And yes my Jolla is wearing the red other half properly.14:05
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svuorelalouisdk: my boss' phone is with red/orange stripes14:06
ggabrielit doesn't look like you've ever downloaded any ambience14:06
ggabriellouisdk: can you access the store alright?14:06
Yaniellouisdk: it should prompt you to install the The First One ambience if you attach the other half while the phone is unlocked14:07
ggabrieljolla store*14:07
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CvPtest14:17
SiddeJaaaa!14:17
mikmayou sank my battleship14:17
zmoroboro - nope14:17
zmoand my ISP is a clean (almost) neutral one14:18
zmothough they do block some ad servers per default, and refuse to pay for bandwith towards youtub14:18
zmoe14:18
louisdkYaniel: Ooh now it make sense. When I boot the phone it complains about not having ccess to the store. If I search for "Ambience" or " "The first one" in the store nothing comes up. Maybe it helps to reboot it.14:19
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roborosomething isn't right on your system then... if I access tjc the cert is issued to *.jolla.com and is signed by DigiCert14:19
roboroMITM?14:19
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zmowell, that's what I'm wondering14:20
zmoor there is malicious JS is some parts of the site14:20
zmomaybe XSS14:20
mikmalouisdk: do you have tohd.service disabled or the nfc tag ripped out? :P14:20
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roborozmo... I haven't run into anything like this... I would guess that its unlikely to be something on the site itself14:21
ggabriellouisdk: :) make sure your user works and so on14:21
Yaniellouisdk: iirc the trick was to have the phone running and not let the screen get locked when attaching the ambience14:21
Yanielerr, TOH14:21
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louisdkmikma: No I have not done any modifications of that kind. I've tried to reattach it and it says "There is a problem with Store. Other half already in use".14:28
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ggabriellouisdk: did you buy the phone 2nd hand?14:29
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ggabrielthat message means that the other half belongs to somebody else14:29
ggabrielor rather, it's linked to another jolla account14:30
TMavicalouisdk your other half is second hand, right?14:30
zmodamn, I just got a windows 8 "thing" for my work, and they actually stole the ambiance idea from Jolla14:31
zmolike you can change the whole color theme by choosing a dominant color14:31
kehnooumm, wasn't that in WP7.5 already14:31
Stskeepsdidn't windows 3.11 do that..14:31
ggabriel3.11 for workgroups def did that :P14:32
bencoh:]14:32
ballockStskeeps: no, windows 3.11 was even better with that, you could customize every single bit of color :p14:32
AardStskeeps: I thought that was already in windows 2.x14:32
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reviewjollaI remember one great green on black ambience from the DOS time ;)14:33
ballockI think I saw that even earlier. You attached TOH to an Atari with a monitor of a different color14:33
ballockyou could have green or orange14:33
ballockbut some were actually grey and whitish14:34
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Stskeepsballock: cartidges are just prehistoric TOHs..14:34
Stskeeps;)14:34
louisdkggabriel, TMavica: Yes. Everything was as good as new. No marks and he said the haven't used the other half-cover before but that could be wrong. Does this mean that I can't use it proberly. Is all othetr half linked to accounts?14:35
roboroback in the day you could select the colour punchcard you wanted to stick into your puter... and voila... the output was all in that colour14:35
TMavicalouisdk, you cant download toh ambience if your other half first time used by others14:36
TMavicathat other half is connect that people jolla account14:36
ggabriellouisdk: sounds like TOH's have been used indeed14:36
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ballockok, I need to back off Atari, that one seem to have a more colours. I had the green 'OH' monitor like this one on my Meritum: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plik:Meritum_II_komplet.jpg14:37
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louisdkggabriel, TMavica: If the previous user delete his Jolla account would it helps?14:37
zmono, in win 3.11 (which was almost the last one I used)14:37
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ggabrielsingle sided diskette lol14:37
zmoyou could configure every part of the UI separately14:38
ballockas you can see, its' not just the letters that are green, the background is also of greenish 'ambience'14:38
TMavicalouisdk, i dont know. but you can install the ambience rpm14:38
zmobut there you choose one color and others14:38
zmocolor change as well14:38
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reviewjollawlan problem, haven't happened too often here14:39
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louisdkTMavica: Well I had to root my Jolla at some point. However I think it's a bit Apple-style to lock other half features to specific accounts. Someone might to sell their tohs and as they sell the psyical thing this has nothing to do with piracy.14:49
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ggabriellouisdk: i think that toh's owners should be able to "let go"14:50
ggabrielbut that's not possible just yet14:50
ggabrielor they can sell you the jolla with their account14:50
ggabrielyou should certainly complain and get money back as toh's were used indeed14:51
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TMavicalouisdk, just install the rpm then you can have the ambience14:52
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louisdkTMavica: I need dev mode for that right?14:55
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TMavicause some file browser install it, by the way, here is the rpm of snow white and first half ambience: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1407067&postcount=3114:56
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louisdkTMavica: Thanks :)15:01
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louisdkI have a hard time of getting use to always Swipe. If I want to go back in an upp I often just tap in the upper left corner instead.15:11
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ggabrielupper left corner?15:11
ggabrieloh, yeah15:11
ggabrielyou can do that too :P15:12
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Venemo_jlouisdk: it all depends on your personal taste, I'd say15:15
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ggabriel...or how long  your fingers are ;-)15:15
Venemo_jfor me, upper left corner is too hard to reach with my finger15:15
louisdkVenemo_j: I think you're right, but I'm left handed ;)15:17
ggabrielso you hold the phone with your right hand? :)15:18
louisdkDoes the toh's come with special ringtones too. I've installed the ambiance and favorited an ambience but the ringtone is the same.15:19
ggabrielthe red one is meant to15:19
ggabrielbut i wouldn't know as i have the standard white one15:20
Siddehttp://mobil.blocket.se/lulea/Landyta_i_Skandinavien_52242048.htm?ca=1_9&w=015:20
louisdkggabriel: I hold it with my left hand and interact using my left hand too :)15:20
ggabrielis helsin seaside/bay/or related?15:21
ggabriellouisdk: yup, i'm right handed and do the same thing15:21
ggabrielquite easy with both hands really15:21
Venemo_jlouisdk: me too!15:22
louisdkTMavica: Does the rpm's you linked to only contains the theme or does it also contain the ringtones for the-first-one toh?15:26
TMavicahave ringtone15:26
TMavicasnow white didnt, but the first one have15:27
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Venemo_jyes15:29
louisdkTMavica: Hmm. My ringstone is still the default Jolla. I have marked the first one toh as favorit.15:29
Venemo_jalthough the first one (and snow white) ambiences both look mind-boggingly unpleasant15:30
TMavicalouisdk shouldnt be...try phone it by other phone and see15:34
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TMavicareboot15:38
ballockerror: can't reboot the IRC channel15:38
louisdkTMavica: I don't use a SIM card yet. Waiting for my protecting before making it my main phone. Under Sound the ringtone is set to jolla-ringtone and when I click on it to hear it it plays the Jolla ringtone, but I would wait to look at it until I put a SIM card in it.15:38
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TMavicayes, in setting page it wont change15:44
TMavicabut if you enabled, all sound is different15:45
TMavicathe setting page is not correct15:45
TMavicajust enabled it and test it by phoning or messaging15:45
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louisdkTMavica: It's pretty hard right now, but I'll do when I put a sim card in it :)15:48
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TMavicalol.15:50
TMavicau just got white and first toh?15:50
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louisdkTMavica: I brought the phone 2nd handed this week. In mint condition for 175 euros.15:52
ggabrielsomebody really hated it :P15:53
Andy80wth....15:53
Andy80is it possible that is so difficoult to use the Jolla shop?15:53
Andy80it keeps asking me to create a new address because I miss the phone number... I've done it and it says again it's not ok15:53
ggabrielnever hapened to me15:54
ggabrielbut i had an already created account15:54
Andy80I also have already an acocunt15:55
Andy80and it's already non sense that I cannot modify it and I have to create a new address containing the telephone number... anyway.... I create a new Address as they say and it keeps saying "Please enter the phone number. Choose 'New Address' from the dropdown menu below Name & Address to add your phone number."15:56
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ggabrielAndy80: is this the website?15:57
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Andy80yes16:00
ggabrielchrome?16:01
Andy80I made at the end... it was missing also in the other Address, the billing one16:01
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Mae21 Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos6916:04
louisdkYou find some weird stuff while browsing the file tree. In root there's a dir called drm.16:04
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Venemo_jlouisdk: it was already explained by Stskeeps at TMO16:06
Stskeepsyes, it's from the soc adaptation and we don't use it16:07
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louisdkStskeeps: Ahh okay. I'm trying to find the location where the ringtones are stored.16:09
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famous34627Please like this video, regarding humanitarian purposes for little girl who need new heart... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2t0HX3hNys16:28
Stskeepsyou've got to be..16:28
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Yanielokay so I got a 64GB microsd, formatted as btrfs and mounted it by hand16:39
Yanielsince automount failed16:39
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Yanielmount-sd-onboot.service that is16:39
Yanielshows up fine in cargodock but nothing to see in gallery nor mediaplayer16:40
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YanielI have tried tracker-control -r and -e16:41
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Yanieland rebooting16:41
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Yanielan ideas?16:41
Morpog_PCsecond yaniel16:41
Morpog_PCkillall tracker-store killall tracker-miner-fs tracker-control -s16:42
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Morpog_PCthat helps here16:42
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Yaniellet's see...16:43
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Yanielyay, stuff shows up16:43
Morpog_PC\o/16:44
Yanielcover art works on a couple of new albums too16:44
Morpog_PCcan take a bit if it's much content16:44
Yaniel(flac)16:44
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Yanielnot much yet16:44
YanielI guess tracker-extract is the interesting process?16:45
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Morpog_PCyaniel, there must be a limitation with some cover art16:46
Morpog_PCnot everything from me gets detected which got detected fine on n916:46
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Yanielyeah most doesn't show up here16:48
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Yanielall tracks do, but covers not16:49
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Morpog_PCthere are several bugs about that on TOJ16:50
Morpog_PCerr TJC16:50
Yanieldoes not even seem to correlate with cover.jpg vs embedded covers16:50
Yanielyeah16:50
Morpog_PCI only use embeded covers16:50
YanielI have commented on at least one myself16:50
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tbruuuh, jolla scored a /. frontpage discussion17:41
Pnuu"It's already running on phones sold in India and Russia"17:42
tbrhttp://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/02/21/1515214/jolla-announces-sailfish-os-1017:42
tbrI liked the reply to that one17:42
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TofeShould I understand, from the announce, that we may get a firmware image for the Jolla too ?18:03
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Naomi24 Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos6918:03
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TofeYou manage to sell worldwide a new device and a new OS in less than 2 years, but you can't kickban this annoying porn stuff ? ;)18:04
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EztranWell, different IPs, different nicks.18:06
Tofebut same message every time, same shorturl18:06
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Venemo_jTofe: it's not sold worldwide yet18:09
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TofeVenemo_j: oh, I thought people in US could buy it too ?18:11
flotronporn is good for your health18:12
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AcceTofe: well, if they buy it through someone in europe, or that service in UK18:12
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TofeAh, ok, so only europe-wide right now18:13
Accebut it's not very clever, since the hw doesn't support 3G and LTE bands in US apparently18:13
clauStskeeps, I just noticed that if you keep moving the phone while in lock screen, it won't lock in 5 seconds.18:13
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clauis this by design or some very weird bug?18:13
Stskeepshuh?18:14
Acceand when they say global, they mean they expand to east, not west.. but guys over at US might be able to flash their android hw which has the bands18:14
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clauso, normally if you double tap to unlock you get to lock screen. there, you wait 5 seconds and it goes back to sleep.18:14
clauhowever, if you shake the phone, it won't go to sleep.18:14
Venemo_jTofe: US frequencies are unsupported...18:15
kimmoliclau: Confirmed, i have seen this too.18:16
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Tofeclau: well, if you shake it, the seconds will get a bit confused, can't blame them18:17
clau:D18:17
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clauI'll check TJC, and post it there if I can't find anything18:18
clauit does seem to be a general issue, not just in lock screen.18:25
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clauhttps://together.jolla.com/question/29590/bug-phone-does-not-go-to-sleep-while-there-is-physical-movement/18:34
claujust moving it up and down doesn't seem to keep it awake18:35
claualso, I was pretty careful not to touch the screen with the fingers.18:35
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kimmoliI was wondering also why my siika game statys awake even i haven't done anything to keep it awake. (so please dont fix this one, its a feature not a bug :) )18:57
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claunot sure if it was meant to be like this though19:03
clauit appears that only some specific movements will keep it awake.19:03
claualso, having this in the lock screen doesn't seem like a feature, tbh. it would be nice to have it as an option for home screen and app-screens though.19:04
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kimmolii think it is for the os to detect you are actually using the phone.19:22
kimmolii got it permanently on now19:22
kimmolidid go to app menu, then wait until it gets to "dimmed", then shake the phone. it will go back "on" (birght) and stays there much longer than 30sec.19:24
kimmoli(app menu, the page with lots of those icons)19:25
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Holly26 You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos6920:01
Jopemeh20:02
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Stskeepsgood evening20:07
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Jopeeven ign20:11
kimmoliJope: how is my baby?20:11
QuuStskeeps: it still keeps going20:11
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Jopekimmoli, your baby is in the reckless hands of an italian man20:11
Jopeon its way towards barcelona :-)20:11
kimmoliuh.20:11
JopeI put it in an antistatic bubble wrap bag + a cardboard box20:11
Jopeit should arrive intact20:12
Quushould20:12
kimmoligood, thanks for taking care20:12
Jopeno problemo :-)20:12
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lokimotivehey20:13
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StskeepsQuu: ze spambots?20:14
Quuyes20:14
Quu77.231.59.19820:14
Quu93.114.45.5920:14
Quu37.221.175.3820:15
Quuetc.20:15
Stskeeps:nod:20:15
Stskeepsi think it's spreading cos there's probably a exploit in the pages20:16
Quumaybe20:16
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JopeI don't know, but my gut says maybe20:18
mikmastskeeps: be our http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TYv2PhG89A and ban all the ip20:21
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Quuim pretty sure its just some one lonely dude with too much time and list of proxies20:41
TofeQuu: maybe preparing a future app for our Jolla ?20:44
Quuyeah sure why not20:45
Quujolla-botnet20:45
Tofewould be a bit subtil to have the jolla store approval20:46
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stn^i'm still getting this "account needs to be updated" notification all the time.. I've added facebook account to jolla's accounts, removed it, rebooted, added again and this still persists21:24
stn^when looking at the 1.0.3.8 fixes this was listed there21:25
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stn^and I'm on 1.0.3.8, and all the apps are updated in jolla store21:25
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Morpog_Jolla_I really really love the keira black colors!21:27
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Anz_did u get one?21:34
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Quui got mine week ago21:35
Anz_better than white?21:35
Quudepends on what you like21:35
Anz_asking ur view :)21:36
Quuwell, its better than white but its bit "boring"21:36
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Morpog_Jolla_i was talking about the theme21:38
Anz_i would have ordered black if it was available as default.. now trying to convince myself white is fine as N900 was all black21:39
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Morpog_Jolla_i will change every few weeks between my 3 toh21:40
Anz_got a rainbow set? or 3d printing?21:40
Morpog_Jolla_white, limited, black21:41
Morpog_Jolla_rainbow set would rock21:42
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AL13N_jollaI got a weird thing a few hours ago.21:43
AL13N_jollaI had a notification for a missed call21:43
AL13N_jollaI open notifications and i pressed on that notification, but nothing happened, I couldn't even end it with a top swipe21:45
AL13N_jollai pressed the power button, but then the led blinked red fast21:46
AL13N_jollakept blinking21:46
Yanielthe UI crashed21:46
Yanieldid it start blinking fast green after a while?21:46
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AL13N_jollathen it came bacjk. with all apps21:47
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AL13N_jollaand then i retried notification but it was still the same21:47
AL13N_jollaYaniel: only the first time did it blink green fast21:48
AL13N_jollaYaniel: after three times i rebooted21:48
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AL13N_jollait seems the ui didn't crash completely i guess, since the apps got back?21:49
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Yanieldunno21:50
AL13N_jollaYaniel: wdyt?21:50
Yanielbut that sounds a lot like when settings crashes the UI for me21:50
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AL13N_jollai had a ui crash once but i had nothing like this, just a fresh hone screen, wuthout apps21:52
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Yanielhm21:54
AL13N_jollaof course, that was a few versions ago21:55
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AL13N_jollaplaying a movie from cargo doesn't play silent when sounds are turned off22:06
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