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louisdkIn some apps I see grey text like "Hi, NAME" which will disappear when typing. Why is that and is there a shortcut to enter this text?01:03
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pahartiklouisdk: Document at "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/communi/communi-sailfish/v0.2/ui/view/TextEntry.qml" seems to have "placeholderText"01:11
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louisdkpahartik: Seems legit. According to together.jolla.com it's just a feature to easy member recipient and not an easy-type word guessing feature.01:15
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pahartiklouisdk: Yes, I assume it is just indicator of "this is text input field for <context>"01:17
pahartiklouisdk: Which is good, since user interface does not waste space on displaying window title or such01:19
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louisdkpahartik: Looks like it yearh. However  I don't see why they didn't put the recipient's name before the clock stamp in the message app.01:21
louisdkSorry for the delay. Jollas swkb is nice, but still not as fast as a real hwkb ;)01:23
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* pahartik tries to perform some quality assurance maneuvers before submitting "aiccu" to "sailfishos:chum"01:27
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pahartiktbr: Now I am convinced that "aiccu" package is good to go... I think I should submit it from "home:pahartik:sailfish-testing" to "home:pahartik:sailfish-stable"... And from there to "sailfishos:chum:1.0.4.20"...02:40
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pahartiktbr: Would it be first by "osc createrequest" and then accepting it somehow between my own projects...?02:44
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tbrpahartik: sailfishos:chum:1.0.4.20:testing actually04:15
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pahartiktbr: Target acknowledged04:50
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szopinhmm... making qtcreator errors out with: imageview.cpp:(.text+0x3cc): undefined reference to `QGraphicsSvgItem::QGraphicsSvgItem(QString const&, QGraphicsItem*)'06:43
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szopinI wonder if this has to do with private headers07:01
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thpAzog: https://github.com/gpodder/gpodder-sailfish/issues/1707:08
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szopinadding qt_no_svg to defines seems to have helped07:15
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KabouikSorry to bother you with an off-topic question but, in a chan full of developpers and open-source supporters, I may ask. Anyone uses reveal.js here? I am not a coder, and have a very specific question.07:38
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Venemo_jKabouik: what is reveal.js?07:40
KabouikIt's an alternative to Powerpoint/Impress for nerds07:40
KabouikIn HTML07:40
Venemo_jand what's your question?07:41
KabouikMy issue is that the first line of my .css is "@import url(https://fonts.googleapis.com/css?family=Lato:400,700,400italic,700italic);" so my presentation is not internet-independant, and I want it to be07:41
KabouikI tried to comment this line to see the consequences, and it messes all up. I am not a coder, so don't know how to solve that07:41
Venemo_jwhy do you want to get rid of that line?07:42
AL13N_workwhy don't you just fetch the file locally and put it into the same dir and adjust the url07:42
AL13N_workVenemo_j: he wants it to work offline too07:42
Venemo_jAL13N_work: he said the opposite07:43
AL13N_workso my presentation is not internet-independant07:43
AL13N_worknot independant07:43
KabouikIf you know how to do it AL13N_work, please tell me. I am really not a coder (was a pain to make my first reveal.js presentation :D)07:43
AL13N_workso it is what i said07:43
AL13N_workKabouik: i know nothing about it07:43
AL13N_workjust download that file locally and put it into your app dir and set the url(file.css)07:44
KabouikI'll try that07:44
Venemo_jKabouik: you need to fetch the contents of that file any other files it refers to07:44
AL13N_workjust browse that url and save it as a file.css07:44
AL13N_workor something07:44
AL13N_workVenemo_j: good point, (and any other it refers to!!!)07:44
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Venemo_jKabouik: the google fonts css will probably contain several font-face definitions, you need to save those locally too07:45
AL13N_workthought it may not work for all platforms anymore07:45
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Kabouikhttps://fonts.googleapis.com/css?family=Lato:400,700,400italic,700italic So I can save that in "font.css" and replace the first line of my theme.css with @import url(/font.css)?07:45
AL13N_workit may have platformspecific hacks07:45
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AL13N_workKabouik: without the /07:46
AL13N_workand put it next to theme.css07:46
KabouikLet's try it out, thanks. Hope it will do the trick07:46
AL13N_workKabouik: don't forget to inspect the contents of that css file for similar @import stuff07:46
KabouikI think that's the only online dependence07:47
KabouikI hope so.07:47
Venemo_jit will contain font-face declarations!!!07:47
Venemo_jyou need to also save the font files...07:47
Venemo_jlike I said07:47
KabouikHum. That would be Lato.eot?07:48
Nicd-or ttf or otf or woff?07:48
Nicd-depending on what the browser supports07:48
AL13N_workmaybe download them all07:49
Kabouikhttps://www.google.com/fonts#UsePlace:use/Collection:Lato There's a zip file here.07:50
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tabaskohow "away" status on facebooks shows user at chat window. As mobilephone icon or online?08:30
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tmynttinbeen thibking the same...08:46
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Temetabasko: about a month ago it used to show you as online all the time08:47
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Temebut there were some inconcistensies that could have been caused by having FB open on multiple machines + using the desktop messenger08:48
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pp_heh, sailfish got summertime right (Nokia sent out a press release that lumias finally this year would too)10:27
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Stskeepswe didn't need to send a press release because it always worked10:28
Stskeeps:P10:28
faenilxD10:28
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chem|stStskeeps: who might be interested in a SIM problem?10:39
Stskeepschem|st: sim holder problem -> care@, according to the together.* post10:39
chem|stStskeeps: no the holder is fine, somthing died and I guess it was because of a general frequency update or something, from the logs the device had connection before but not after that event10:41
chem|stofono said something about a mismatch of a SIM entry10:41
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chem|stautomagical PIN unlock failed etc10:42
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Stskeepschem|st: hmmm10:42
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Stskeepschem|st: if you want to add debugging, see #sailfishos10:43
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chem|stI restarted everything I could think of being involved with it but only pulling the SIM (it recognized it being pulled) and putting it back in (reading release the SIM button and push it again) reset it to working10:43
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AJAX555a non-jolla related question: what should a CMS be able to do?10:50
stephgC==content || C==configuration AJAX555 ?10:51
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Temeprobably evaluates to true10:52
AJAX555content10:52
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chem|stAJAX555: fit your needs...11:11
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AJAX555chem|st: yeah, but sometimes finding those needs can be hard11:17
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Yanielsigh, will the word someday maybe accept that gstreamer 0.10 is old and move on?11:30
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chem|stAJAX555: without knowing your needs how will you manage to find a CMS that suits you? don't ask people for your needs!11:32
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AJAX555chem|st: no, I'm not finding, I'm creating one11:33
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chem|stAJAX555: then the answer is: modular11:34
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AJAX555oh yeah, need to add that to todo list11:35
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chem|stAJAX555: in general, it should do everything - while running smooth on a 1.2GHz dualCore with 2GB RAM11:39
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Venemo_j_AJAX555: what technology are you using?11:40
Temei, too, would not expect less from a CMS than doing everything - also it should be able to fill tax announcements11:40
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Venemo_j_nah11:41
TurskiYaniel: looks like firefox 30 will support gstreamer 1.2 \o11:41
AJAX555Venemo_j_: mainly php, but ofcourse I'm not limited to those11:41
Venemo_j_don't cheese the poor guy11:41
YanielTurski: the one package that depends on it here is calligra11:41
Venemo_j_AJAX555: why PHP?11:42
Yanieldepends on 0.10 that is11:42
AJAX555Venemo_j_: I know more php than others11:42
AJAX555arr, other languages11:42
chem|stAJAX555: for every other answer on this you need a purpose, there is no need for an admin-manager-group-user-management tool if maintained by only two people... there is no need for multi-instance support if it is meant for a single instance etc11:42
Venemo_j_AJAX555: there is no point in yet another php cms11:43
AJAX555maybe, but am still doing11:43
Venemo_j_AJAX555: sure, it's always a nice experience to implement something on your own :)11:43
chem|st+111:43
Venemo_j_AJAX555: I recommend you to take a look at bergie_'s decoupled CMS talks or writings11:44
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bergie_Venemo_j_, AJAX555 here is a pretty good listing http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/category/oscom/11:44
AJAX555bergie_: kk thanks11:45
AJAX555will check it later11:45
Venemo_j_this is where all CMSes fail, usually11:45
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AJAX555I have already grown to hate most CMSs, especially wordpress, but, it's still fun to code11:48
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louisdkAm I the only one happing trouble upload via imgur.com trough the Sailfish browser?13:25
Plntlouisdk: not sure about imgur but there is file picker missing in the sailfish browser .. https://together.jolla.com/question/1006/add-file-upload-functionality-to-web-browser/13:27
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louisdkplnt: Thanks :)13:28
BawalAre the html5 video controls missing too?13:28
BawalCan only pause/unpause the video by tapping it, no volume or search13:29
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louisdkAnother issue is when I added my Facebook account I was presented with the normal Facebook site (not mobile) and it was pretty hard to navigate: http://i.imgur.com/YmLYLkV.png - Any together ticket on that yet?13:32
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Plntlouisdk: i use https://m.facebook.com/ on my jolla and it works fine. but not sure if there should be some kind of automatic redirect from https://www.facebook.com/13:35
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louisdkPlnt: I get presented with this page when I wanted to add my Facebook account under Settings -> Account. Not trying to access Facebook via the browser :)13:37
Plntlouisdk: oh.. in that case i have no idea :)13:37
louisdkPlnt: Okay. I'll create a ticket then :)13:39
louisdkDone: https://together.jolla.com/question/37098/present-mobile-webite-when-trying-to-setup-a-facebook-account/13:41
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TMavicaI found that some mp3 not able to play in Jolla, and some cant show the song time length, anybody suffer this too?14:15
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gabriel9|workfor two days my jolla is restarting14:22
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gabriel9|work:(14:22
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AL13N_workTMavica: maybe VBR?14:27
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TMavicawhat mean vbr??14:31
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tbrvariable bitrate14:33
Stskeepsgabriel9|work: pull battery 10 mins, if it persists, contact bare14:33
Stskeepser, care14:33
TMavicao14:34
TMavicaany method able to play it?14:34
TMavicait can play in n9..14:34
gabriel9|workcare, i bought my phone via friend in Luxemburg14:34
gabriel9|workthere is no direct sale in Bosnia and Hercegovina14:34
Stskeepsgabriel9|work: .. ah14:34
Stskeepswell, try it anyway..14:35
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gabriel9|workis this hardware or software issue?14:35
Stskeepswell, if the battery thing doesn't help it, it might be another issue, so that's why contact care14:36
gabriel9|workok14:36
gabriel9|workbatrery out14:36
gabriel9|workbattery out14:36
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gabriel9|workalso14:50
gabriel9|workwhere is the update?14:51
gabriel9|work:D14:51
stephg#soon is thataway →14:51
stephg;)14:51
ggabriel1st april14:51
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ggabrielas in: tomorrow14:51
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gabriel9|worki just hope they will fix restartds14:51
VDVsxnop, not yet one month from last update :D14:52
gabriel9|workrestarts*14:52
ggabrielgabriel9|work: for a minute i thought that you expected jolla to fix a global people problem ;-)14:53
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gabriel9|workthey do not have source of all people14:55
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stephgis kimmoli_sailing in testing?15:02
kimmoli_sailingi am still groving15:04
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Pnuukimmoli_sailing: small group of trees?15:07
goroboroPnuu: what are you sinking about?15:09
Pnuu"A grove is a small group of trees with minimal or no undergrowth"15:10
kimmoli_sailingPnuu: i'm groving some hair15:10
Pnuuah, growing :-)15:10
kimmoli_sailing:)15:10
kimmoli_sailingand it is already monday15:11
goroborohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR0lWICH3rY15:11
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kimmoli_sailingpoint taken15:15
kimmoli_sailingi go nov to grove15:15
goroborokimmoli_sailing: I was just taking the mickey... I am less of a pedant than Pnuu :P15:16
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goroboromost english folks can hardly speak a word of any other language... so I always have great respect for the rest of the world for keeping up with one of the most obscure languages around15:17
kimmoli_sailingaivan. hitokseen romahan15:17
goroboropoint made.15:18
Sceltgoroboro: and we Finns gotta learn Swedish too for historic reasons15:18
VDVsxand you love it :D15:18
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Pnuu:-D15:18
Accejag älskar svenska jättemycket15:18
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Sceltit's okay for me but many others don't like it :)15:19
goroboroI had to learn Afrikaans...15:20
AcceI didn't like it, but it's good practise for learning any other language15:20
goroboroI didn't like it15:20
Pnuugoroboro: sounds.. painful15:20
goroboronot so far from belgian15:20
Sceltgoroboro: you win... or lose15:20
goroboromostly you lose15:21
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rigoI suggest a new crypto module for jolla15:21
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rigoin phone conversation, the app should translate all into finnish and transfer over the wire15:21
goroboroexcellent crypto module15:22
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goroborothe nsa wouldn't have a clue what was going on15:22
rigofinns would be advantaged as they could talk natively to the app15:22
rigogoroboro, they will assume its navajo15:22
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goroborogood ol ww2 crypto15:23
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goroborosomeone will probably tell them its finnish... they will be surprised that a town in australia has its own language15:23
goroboroyou know... american geography... :P15:24
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Venemo_jmeh, jolla battery's on 17% after only 8h of IRC connectivity16:35
Venemo_jit'd be so great if it could finally realize the 'one full day of use'16:35
Stskeepswell, 1.0.4.* doesn't help with that16:36
Nicd-a couple phones back my Nokia died after ~4 hours of IRC16:36
stephgI guess IRC is just chatty16:36
Nicd-actually around 316:36
stephgwhat can you do16:36
Venemo_jyeah16:37
Venemo_jI know16:37
EztranA full day on IRC would be extremely impressive, I don't know a phone that'd do it.16:37
Venemo_jstill, this is a LOT better than what the N9(x0) could do16:37
Pnuuthat's why irssi on a server rocks, no need to be connected all the time :-)16:38
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Eztrandoes have the downside of requiring an Internet-accessible device somewhere, though, like most stuff of that type.16:40
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kimmoli_sailinghmm have bee connected now 9 hours in irc with jolla, + few hours w/o. still at 54%.16:56
Pnuuvia wifi or mobile data?16:57
kimmoli_sailingboth17:01
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kimmoli_sailing3-4 mobile17:02
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suosaaskiso. as younited is available for jolla, too, I was wondering how many here are using it?17:04
* Yaniel hasn't heard anything yet17:07
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Nicd-I'd wait for a native client17:07
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pahartikkimmoli_sailing: I have been thinking of configurable delay TCP proxy, would save energy on mobile data transfer17:08
suosaaskiah right, it's the android client that is used on jolla?17:08
Yanielthat'd be quite facepalm-worthy17:09
Yanielif that was their official solution17:09
suosaaskihttp://blog.younited.com/2014/02/20/announcing-younited-for-jolla/17:10
pahartikkimmoli_sailing: For almost 10 years, but not implemented yet17:10
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Nicd-suosaaski: as far as I know the thing promised in that article has not been released17:10
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Nicd-suosaaski: and younited is not available on the jolla store either17:11
suosaaskiseems so17:11
pdanekI have some doubts of Jolla project, it doesn't seem to succeed as much as I expected.17:11
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Nicd-pdanek: they did say that they are selling as many jollas as they can manufacture17:12
pdanekhm17:12
* pahartik has ended up carrying enough additional battery capacity instead17:12
Yanielwhere?17:12
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suosaaskialso they said they will be selling hundreds of thousands of jollas this year.17:12
pdanekI don't believe.17:12
Nicd-let me find the url17:13
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suosaaskiof course apple sells that many iphones at the first few hours of launch.17:13
Yanielwell, jolla can easily survive with much less sales than apple17:14
suosaaskibut if one compares to windows phone sales, it is rather ok :)17:14
Reilu-KakeAre we able to create Gallery folders yet?17:14
pdanekApple always says that they have higher demand than manufacturing capacity (when they release new device) and it's usually marketing move.17:14
pdanekOr I believe it is.17:14
Yanieland they need something to show to manufacturers who are interested in alternatives to android17:14
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suosaaskipdanek: wouldn't know about marketing, as they do sell them in the millions, in a couple of days.17:14
pdanekWindows Phone is now free as well, for manufacturers.17:14
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YanielWP still has the windows stigma17:15
pdanekAnd Android will be too, if Jolla or any other system should take a step forward because of that.17:15
elias_a_pdanek: Free as gratis?17:15
pdanekgratis17:15
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suosaaskiandroid IS free?17:15
pdanekwhat17:15
Yanieland OTOH if it is just a matter of what to flash for a manufacturer, why not just make all of them available17:15
pdanekWindows Phone is now free of any licensing fees as far I know, to get more hardware manufacturer interest,17:16
Nicd-suosaaski: android as the regular consumer understands it is not free17:16
rigohaha, best joke ever: android free... :))17:16
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rigolike in free lunch ...17:17
Eztranwe're back to the gratis/libre split again.17:17
suosaaskiof course there is a few catches, like google services...17:17
suosaaskiand apps filled with ads17:17
pdanekI guess Google cares more about keeping the people in ecosystem.17:17
rigothe one and only reason I will buy an expensive jolla over a cheap android is performance and control17:17
Eztranthat's kinda two reasons :)17:17
pdanekSo if other systems should take a lead, Google will make it gratis too.17:17
rigoEztran: isn't it better to have more reasons to buy a jolla? :)17:18
Eztranpdanek: that's not the only reason why manufacturers might move away from Google services, though.17:18
suosaaskirigo: if you were not to define "cheap" for android, I don't think performance is that big of an issue on android...17:18
rigobut if you transform jolla into yet another google frontend, there is no reason anymore17:18
rigoor FB frontend that is17:18
rigosuosaaski: all my pals tell me otherwise17:19
Nicd-here's the article for you pdanek + Yaniel: http://www.kauppalehti.fi/etusivu/jolla+tilauskirjat+taynna/201403661142 (it's in Finnish though)17:19
rigoa galaxy has crap performance compared to my N917:19
Nicd-it basically says they can't deliver any more phones than what have already been ordered17:19
rigobecause battery is out and over after half a day17:19
elias_a_rigo: All of them? :O17:19
suosaaskirigo: well, I don't really have first hand experience, but pretty much all my pals that have android, usually have the high end models and they don't complain. At least much.17:20
Nicd-pdanek: "it is clear now that we will sell hundreds of thousands of devices during the spring and summer"17:20
elias_a_rigo: I have a N9 too and the battery life is not that great, either.17:20
EztranWell, high-end Androids have crazy specs, so it's no surprise they run fine.17:20
rigoexactly17:20
pdanekI see.17:20
suosaaskiEztran: yes, that is why I noted that if he had not defined "cheap" for android, performance would not be an issue.17:21
EztranAt low/mid-end, performance isn't quite as important.17:21
rigoI had android on HTC and it was a nightmare, forcing me into the all-google, feeling monitored and with really bad performance17:22
EztranAs in, people will accept more FPS drops, etc., not that it doesn't matter :)17:22
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elias_a_What is the reason for poor performance of Android? Sloppy coding?17:22
rigojava17:22
Yanielso essentially sloppy coding17:22
EztranDalvik, a 'specs will solve everything' mentality.17:22
elias_a_Ok.17:22
EztranART should help, but it's not everything.17:22
suosaaskiBut yes, I just don't get it how a 2GHz quadcore with 2-3GB RAM does not outperform "alternative OS" devices with 1.3-1.5GHz dualcores and 1GB of RAM...17:23
Yanielit does not have unicorns17:23
Eztranyeah, I've no idea. It's almost impressive.17:23
rigoand this is your chance17:24
osatonhttps://twitter.com/GetYounited/status/448812129324654592 "@JollaSuomi @jollahq It's in the works guys! Stay tuned for news in Q2!"17:24
elias_a_That's nice news.17:24
suosaaskiQ2, ok.17:24
suosaaskilinux version is also in the works iirc17:25
Yanielyep17:25
Yanielthere are unofficial binaries (beta)17:25
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pdanekI'm curious if F-Secure will radically lower prices after Google Drive new price list, which is just... unbelievably cheap.17:25
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elias_a_On the other hand a large proportion of thinking individuals do not want to use Google services anymore.17:26
suosaaskihttp://blog.younited.com/2013/12/10/we-do-listen/17:27
rigopdanek: they can't because they do not get secondary revenue by looking into data and by creating profiles17:28
Yaniel*primary17:29
suosaaskialso, they probably don't have as much capacity, either...17:29
Pnuuyes, primary17:29
rigois data encrypted in the younited with a key that they do not have? -> me goes looking17:30
EztranI somehow doubt it :/17:30
Yanielbtw does FB even charge most users for anything? (not counting microtransactions in games)17:31
elias_a_rigo: Ask @Mikko on Twitter. He is very likely to answer.17:31
elias_a_Yaniel: No. That's the only thing they don't suck at.17:31
Yanielwich means they never made money with anything but user data17:31
EztranIt just makes it more apparent where their actual income comes from, though.17:31
Yanielbecause they have nothing else17:32
rigobecause this would allow you to do the Opera unite stunt within the jolla system17:32
pdanekrigo: Is it proven that Google scans also Google Drive contents? I thought only email/G+.17:32
Yanielwhy not, while they are at it?17:33
elias_a_Yes. That is exactly why people and organisations who use FB actively are a bit.... hmm.... suspicious :D17:33
pdanekI don't believe it.17:33
rigowhich would be a nice way to synchronize your linux desktop (primary jolla clients IMHO) with your jolla17:33
pdanekWhat about Google Apps account? For companies.17:33
Yaniel(I don't remember proof but would not be surprised)17:33
EztranIf you can't trust your 'private' emails with them, why should you trust them with files?17:33
rigo:)17:33
pdanekYou can trust private email.17:34
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rigothere was a tweet flying by saying they reserve the right to look for information to protect their company17:34
pdanekThe data they had to give to NSA was requested by law.17:34
pdanekNot a fault of Google.17:34
suosaaskiright...17:34
EztranParaphrased, a response a while back about their use of email contents was 'if you don't want us reading them, don't use our email'.17:35
pdanekAnd scanning of contents is just for targeted ads, read by robot.17:35
suosaaskiJust like MS said that all data stored in european data centers remain in EU :)17:35
rigopdanek: search for "SSL added and removed here" I recommend ixquick.com17:35
pdanekheh17:35
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elias_a_pdanek: So you say that being a US based company is not a fault of Google?17:35
Yanielsomeone should make a list of countries where storing encrypted data without access to the key is essentially illegal :D17:35
elias_a_Oops - I have a tail...17:35
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rigosuosaaski: somebody was telling me that the earth is flat, but that I had to accept their fine print17:36
suosaaskiI am far more tempted by younited than any other of those cloud services, although I do backup my phone and tablet to icloud... for now.17:36
elias_a_pdanek: My point is that the US companies know what the legislation and circumstances are in the country.17:37
Eztran...what's your point?17:37
elias_a_pdanek: I think they are much to blame as the government, especially as they haven't been especially open about this.17:37
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elias_aEztran: Are you asking me?17:38
EztranI was, though you've clarified now :)17:38
suosaaskithere would also be a bit of a shit storm hitting their way if they had told the truth earlier...17:38
pdanekAs far I know, Google was not allowed to announce publicly that NSA requested such and such info from them.17:38
pdanekIt's long time known that legislation and circumstances can hurt the business.17:39
pdanekI blame the NSA.17:39
pdanekGoogle, just a bit.17:39
EztranI wouldn't be surprised if they weren't allowed to release info, certainly.17:39
Eztran(IANAL)17:39
pdanekAlthough I moved away from Google, I think it's still relatively trustful company.17:39
elias_aMy simple point is: no one in his/her senses will trust any US company nor a company with a subsidiary in US.17:39
YanielI'd assume google and fb would be able to pressure the govt to change the laws to make their life easier -- if they cared about that17:40
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pdanekThey are doing that.17:40
EztranWell, they tried to an extent with China...17:40
pdanekAlready.17:40
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elias_aAnd my political point is: as long US citizens are happy with NSA and the rest of the world is OK to be snooped and tapped, US businesses should be boycotted whenever possible.17:41
EztranUS citizens aren't, though.17:41
YanielEztran: but how much power does google have in china? versus how much in the US17:41
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EztranThe answer to the former is not much, the latter, I have honestly no idea. How many businesses actually try?17:42
EztranHow much legal clout do those stacks of money give?17:42
elias_aEztran: Well, what I've read is that most of the people are Ok with Obama's latest promises.17:42
EztranWhich are promises of change, suggesting they weren't happy with the previous situation at least.17:43
Yaniellike stopping the NSA from keeping phone calls recoreded indefinitely? I'm pretty sure everyone will be okay with that17:43
elias_aEztran: Yes, but seen from other countries there will be no change whatsoever.17:43
Yanieldoesn't mean that it helps much17:43
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Yanieler has any effect at all in the end17:44
Yanielor*17:44
EztranMmm, they're improvements, but certainly not everything.17:44
Yanielmarginal improvements17:44
Yanielthe operators still have the same data17:44
Yanieland are required to give it to the NSA if asked to17:44
Yaniel(albeit they are only required to store it for a few months)17:44
EztranHowever, the very fact they were considered needed suggests a backlash against it. How long people can be fobbed off for... again, no idea.17:45
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AL13Notoh, it's useless to state that allied countries shouldn't spy on each other, since that would be done anyway...18:27
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jolldomsameer i'm trying to ssh my jolla device in an ubuntu system19:33
Scelthey, does anyone have a lastu case ( http://lastucase.com/product/lastu-wooden-skin-jolla/ ) in a jolla? I'd like to know how it fits and suits the device19:34
MSameerjolldo: where is the question?19:35
jolldoi'm a bit of a newbie19:35
jolldoi enabled the developer mode etc... but i'm having trouble setting up the ip19:36
jolldoi edited /etc/network/interfaces but when i connect the device again i can't access it19:36
Nicd-Scelt: note that the thing you linked is not the lastucase for jolla, it's just a skin. here's the lastucase: http://lastucase.com/product/lastucase-jolla/19:37
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SceltNicd-: yeah, confusing since the product name and type has the same name. I meant the skin version19:39
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MSameerjolldo: I really don't recommend enabling developer mode if you are a newbie19:40
MSameerjolldo: i have the usb ip set to 192.168.2.15 here19:40
MSameerjolldo: so set the ip and reboot just in case19:41
MSameerin ubuntu you do ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 up19:41
MSameerthen ssh to the phone (make sure usb mode is set to developer mode)19:41
jolldomsameer where do i setup usb in developer mode (in usb setting i don't have this option)19:43
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MSameerif it's not there then developer mode is not enabled19:44
MSameerenable developer mode and reboot19:44
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MSameer[22:44] <MSameer> if it's not there then developer mode is not enabled19:59
MSameer[22:44] <MSameer> enable developer mode and reboot19:59
MSameerjolldo: ^^19:59
jolldomasameer it worked (the problem was i didn't reboot device and didn't get the usb developer option)20:00
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jolldomsameer BTW i'm doing it to get the arabic keyboard20:00
jolldomsameer has the droid arabic issue been fixed?20:01
MSameerjolldo: no20:01
MSameerjolldo: If it's not urgent then I recommend you stop what you are doing. I can make you an RPM that you an install20:01
MSameerjolldo: but I can not do it _now_20:01
MSameerI can do it tomorrow20:01
MSameerISA20:02
MSameeran RPM that installs a font and the keyboard layout20:02
jolldomsameer i want to add arabic and hebrew to the device20:03
jolldomsameer i planeed to modify schtrumann's solution20:03
jolldojust changing the ru to ar20:04
jolldomsameer http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=3053520:04
MSameeri don't know what that is20:05
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louisdkIsn't it possible to have enabled a ringtone when system sounds are disabled?21:10
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Nicd-omg http://tinyurl.com/nokia-jolla-buyout-confirmed21:16
stephgbit early isn't it Nicd- ?21:18
louisdkFound a solution under sounds -> feedback21:20
louisdkNicd-: Nice music ;)21:20
Yanielnah, not too early21:22
Hartzialready april21:22
Yaniel##japanese has been going about this for many hours already21:22
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goroborolastucase is pissing me off21:49
goroboroI ordered 3 weeks ago and the case did not arrive...21:49
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goroboroI have sent them 3 emails about it an got one response saying... contact us in a couple of days if it has not yet arrived21:50
goroborosince then they just don't reply to any of my email21:50
goroboroI'm going to take it to paypal arbitration21:51
goroboro3 weeks ago, I was all excited about them on this channel... if I don't get my case soon... I'm going to have to repeatedly warn people about them21:52
cvpshipping can be take 4 weeks21:58
goroborooh... it shipped 2 weeks ago21:58
goroboroand they acknowledged that it should have arrived already21:58
cvpno tracking number?21:58
goroboronot provided21:59
cvpmaybe its stuck on customs office?21:59
raa70shouldn't be so in EU21:59
goroboromaybe... but someone should know this21:59
goroboroindeed22:00
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goroboroI would at least like some acknowledgement that they are looking into it22:01
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raa70I would bet some money that our beloved state owned but still a business post company Itella is the one to blaim22:01
goroborouuurgh22:02
goroborothere should be some kind of tracking on orders like this22:02
goroboroEUR 49 is not something to be thrown away on some bad shipping22:03
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raa70One does not simply ship sh*t from Finland cheaply22:04
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raa70cheaply means the state owned postal service of Itella22:05
jolldomsameer Just wanted to tell u that i manged to install the keyboard) the only problem is the autocap at first and it seems i'm not the only one22:06
goroborommm I'm a bit disillusioned... starting to see the first light scratches on my screen... I was so glad when I saw the lastucase come out.... now I'll probably resort to a sock....22:06
jolldomsameer using amiri font22:06
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goroborofriends will look at me and think... omg roboro is such a geek... he keeps his phone in a sock22:07
MSameerjolldo: yes auto caps is a problem and I recall there is a bug filed internally for that (Can not give more details though :/)22:07
MSameerjolldo: but glad it worked for you. amiri is a pretty font22:08
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goroborono offense to anyone who keeps their jolla in a sock... I personally think its a perfectly good thing to do22:09
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