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suosaaskiAs we spoke about A7s performance a couple of days ago, this might be an interesting read: http://anandtech.com/show/7910/apples-cyclone-microarchitecture-detailed06:44
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Pnuu"So for now, Cyclone's performance is really used to exploit race to sleep and get the device into a low power state as quickly as possible"06:52
Pnuumoar cpu power to go to sleep faster06:52
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arPnuu: that's exactly what you want to do on mobile devices06:57
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chem|sthow can I readout battery stats, is there a tool to read the chip's internals or anything?09:40
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chem|stI had a drop from 60->20%09:42
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Pnuuover night or sudden drop?09:42
chem|stover night...09:43
Pnuusounds like the power drain bug09:43
chem|stwhen I went to sleep it was 59%09:43
chem|stPnuu: the only wakeups were those msync every 30mins09:43
chem|stlast charge was on thursday09:43
Pnuudid you use wifi hotspot?09:44
chem|stnope phone only09:44
chem|stnothing on09:44
chem|stI have no accounts active09:44
chem|stofono is in the logs a bit too often for me09:45
ShadowJKhas something vhanged in latest update reggarding the spurious "sim card was removed" messages?09:45
ShadowJKI just received a missed call, but can't call back, UI says emergency calls only09:45
ShadowJKyet inbound calls work..09:46
chem|stShadowJK: something maybe related I had last week, I had to trigger the hardwarebutton at the simcard to get the modem to reset09:46
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chem|stofono seemed to be unable to verify my pin, but it did not ask to enter it again09:47
ShadowJKoh hey, that worked09:47
* ShadowJK slid simcard out and in09:47
chem|stdid it recognize the remove?09:48
ShadowJKno09:48
chem|stoh09:48
chem|sthmm mine did09:48
chem|stPnuu: for the last few hours it is sitting at 20%09:49
chem|stShadowJK: it seems that the modemdrivers are borked09:50
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chem|stmodem stalls at some point09:50
chem|stdoes the hardwarebtn turn of the modem when released?09:51
chem|stprbly SIM pwr...09:52
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Stskeepsthat's not a hardware button, fwiw, it's a sim detector09:54
Stskeepsand calling it a button might be a bit of a stretch..09:54
chem|stswitch?09:54
ShadowJKYesterday the "sim card was removed" , please blow away your session etc message came up a a few times09:56
ShadowJKdidn't do anything as I didn't have any spare time at all for reboots or card wiggling, and had forgotten about it by the time I got home :)09:56
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ShadowJKdata was still working too09:57
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ShadowJKIn other news, my coworker's jolla has dead touchscreen after a trip to optima to fix speaker.. he received a massive block of instructions on rndis etc how to reset his jolla's firmware.. He said he'll have to take a day off work to complete all the steps, heh :)10:01
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ecloud_mjones: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,8233711:07
Nicd-hehehe, freenode+ accounts11:07
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Nicd-http://blog.freenode.net/2014/04/googleplusfreenode/11:09
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ggabrielfreenode "integrated" with g+? srsly?11:11
jussiggabriel: what date is it today?11:12
Temewhat is this, i am only on freenode for this channeƶ11:12
Nicd-jussi: nooooo11:12
ggabriellol11:12
ggabrieljussi: thanks :)11:12
Nicd-you ruined it11:12
Temeshould i care about nickserv and such11:12
jussiNicd-: I just couldnt do it... Im so sorry.11:12
Nicd-shame on you11:12
Nicd-I wanted to see ggabriel explode11:13
ggabrielman, i was awre of it this morning, but it kinda went away11:13
jussiits too painful to see people fallling for it11:13
chem|stTeme: some channels are protected to be joined by registered users only11:13
ggabrieli'm also disappointed i got only 1 birthday greeting11:13
jussiggabriel: we don't beleive its your birthday...11:13
ggabrieljussi: and you'd do very well there, especially as i already said when it was11:13
ggabrielbut pretty much everybody else knows it's 1 apr11:13
Temechem|st: i take it that some users are pissed now but i can go on as i were :P11:14
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aupoGot a brilliant idea yesterday, though it unfortunately would likely require money and a brand to sell but anyhow: Make some kind of a TCG or MtG/Hearthstone-type card game or Pokemon-type or w/e type of game for Jolla where you get maybe 3-6 classes to choose from, BUT! By buying special game-TOHs you unlock additional classes and abilities. Imagine the money.11:18
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suosaaskiaupo: or, instead of a 20e TOH just make it a 2e in app purchase so the users might actually pay for it :|11:25
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auposuosaaski: TOH will really cost 20e to make?11:28
Venemohttp://blog.freenode.net/2014/04/googleplusfreenode/11:29
aupoBut anyhow, if that is the case, then the TOHs will need to just be somewhat major expansions....11:29
Nichopeaupo: the difficult thing is that in order for people to pay for it it should become a craze, some mainstream game to which a lot of people play (and people who don't play it feel the social pressure, and all that). And if you try to do it exclusive for Jolla, the task becomes extremelly difficult11:29
aupoNichope: Yeah, indeed.11:29
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aupoThat's the real reason why it's an infeasible idea. But a nice one still :)11:29
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Accebetter yet, make a card slot in the TOH, in which you can input your playing cards to see the attack etc effects on your phone11:29
Temeimagine going to the movies and getting a complimentary TOH that's painted with a kickass poster and customizes your theme according to the movie11:29
aupoAcce: Nice one.11:29
aupoTeme: Winning.11:30
Nichopeggabriel: I don't want to say it explicitly but... Let's just say that I read the previous messages :)11:30
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NichopeAcce: I think that already happened with some game at nintendo, or something like that. Maybe the good thing would be a combination of both things: speaking to a company with already working physic cards, and do a kind of coordinate project of a virtual game about the cards, and if you buy the special TOH and read the cards you get them to your virtual game account, too (+some extra points or something). And TOH could come with an exclusive expansion11:36
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Nichopewow... was it too long to be fully sent?11:37
Nicd-"come with an exclusive expansion"11:38
Nichopean exclusive expansion pack or something, also valid for the physical game11:39
Nichopethanks Nicd-11:39
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SiddeWhen the led light keeps flashing red and it's black on the screen. And the power button has no effect11:52
Siddewhat does the phone say?11:52
Waiteebeep11:52
SiddeIs it kernel panic?11:52
pettterseems likely11:52
SiddeThen i would say that there is something fishy with the wifi driver11:53
pettterI seem to recall a shell being frozen too11:53
pettterBugs!? In MY Jolla!?11:53
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Siddepettter: bugs, w00t?11:54
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spiiroinSidde: ui/lipstick is more or less stuck; if it is just busy, the screen will recover; if not, lipstick or whole device needs to be restarted11:56
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Siddespiiroin: no recovery after about 15 minutes so i unplugged the battery11:58
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spiiroinSidde: before pulling the battery: try to press power key down for 5 (or was it 7) seconds; if dsme is still running it will do shutdown even if ui side is fubar12:00
Siddespiiroin: i pressed it in atleast 30 seconds12:01
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Siddethe phone suddenly did not want to connect to the wifi. and when i disabled wifi the UI froze, then turned black and then all this12:01
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tjphad a random shutdown again. Pressing the power button did nothing and I thought I'd just remove the battery as always but after about 10 minutes it had turned on by itself. Journalctl shows no messages today before the shutdown. The first line after it turned on reads "Apr 01 16:12:55 localhost DSME[620]: IPHB: alarm state from timed: powerup=1396409460, resume=1397205900" where the timestamps are my next clock and calendar events. Are they alwa13:43
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tjpalso, any idea why there's nothing on the journalctl log between yesterday evening and 16:12 today?13:43
Nicd-tjp: cut at "are they alwa"13:43
tjp"Are they always diplayed or do they have something to do with the shutdown?"13:44
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netzviehtjp: logs are saved in ram if you don't change it -> gone after reboot14:09
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tjpnetzvieh: yeah, but my journald.conf already says Storage=persistent and yeasterday's logs are shown14:13
tjpyeasterday means baking!14:14
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Stskeepstjp: at a power loss sometimes journal doesn't flush14:14
Stskeepsit's a little unclear why that happens14:15
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tjpok, my /var/log/journal seems to be empty as well. Shouldn't the logs be saved there if "Storage=persistent"?14:19
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Turskitjp: did you restart journald/device?14:28
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tjpTurski: I did14:30
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Turskitjp: and you actually have created /var/log/journal directory?14:32
tjpTurski: thanks for calling it a directory :D14:33
Turski-_-14:34
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tjpyeah, a directory seems to work a lot better than a file with the same name :D14:36
tjpTurski: thanks and sorry for the noise14:36
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Turskitjp: np14:39
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ggabriel<offtopic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg </offtopic>14:45
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ggabrielmore love for this one btw? :) https://together.jolla.com/question/337/option-threaded-view-in-mail-app/15:02
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netzviehwell I could make a huge list of features missing in the mail app :/ imap push, subscription to multiple folders, not loading pictures, plain text mails, full header view, customizable/multiple signatures, threaded view, only subject in list, search, mass forward. collapseable folders and some more16:44
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chem|stnow I am unable to call a number... ofono messing with me again...17:09
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chem|stI have a change in signal...17:11
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chem|stShadowJK: I am stuck again17:13
pvanhoofI took out battery, rebooted several times: my jolla keeps saying that it's trying to register to my mobile network. I can't make calls and i can't send smsses; anything i can do?17:16
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chem|stpvanhoof: remove the sim...17:21
pvanhooftried that17:21
chem|stwhile on?17:22
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pvanhoofyes, just reinserted17:22
chem|stso much for SOON (TM)'s stable release! bitches... same shit like with ovi suite alpha testing... 10 days after I filed like 10 critical bugreports it went "release"17:23
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chem|ststop trying with the balmer peak! and don't call something stable if it is still beta17:24
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* pvanhoof makes a backup...17:25
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pvanhoofchem|st, this happens when i insert sim cart on dmesg: http://pastebin.com/2ktb4kqb17:29
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coderusMitakuuluu v0.2-9 released17:48
* Morpog_PC checks changelog17:49
Morpog_PCahahaha :)17:49
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chem|stpvanhoof: I am unable to call...18:13
chem|stsms works18:13
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chem|stwhy is ofonod blinking? every time you do something it is checking the voice registration18:17
Stskeepstoyed around with 4g by chance?18:18
pvanhoofchem|st, resetting device didn't help ..18:19
pvanhoofGuessing that's rma. /me tries with another phone18:19
chem|stStskeeps: nope18:21
chem|stStskeeps: not even thought about it18:21
Stskeepsok, so no radio switcher etc18:22
chem|sthow do I restart the whole voice call stack from top to bottom?18:22
Stskeepsreboot should practically do it18:23
Stskeepsmodem gets reset18:23
chem|stStskeeps: nope, I used to be on 2G only setting for a week now, just now I tried what happens if I set 3G prefered18:23
chem|stStskeeps: it is the second time in 5 days now, something is locking up and it is not the modem, I can send sms, am connected etc so I doubt it is ofono this time, will try data18:25
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chem|stStskeeps: it is only voice that is missing, data works too18:27
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coderusVote for bug: https://together.jolla.com/question/37278/searchfield-losing-focus-when-placed-in-silicalistview-header/18:28
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AL13Ncoderus: i hope you don't mind, i edited it for better english18:33
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AL13Ncoderus: you should doublecheck if the meaning is still the same18:34
chem|sthttp://pastebin.com/KhUSfC1K18:35
coderusAL13N: thanks :)18:36
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pdanek1Is the battery status gonna be fixed next update? :O19:40
pdanek1So often it shows way different % after reboot.19:40
Waiteewhat battery status?19:40
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nickg_has anyone found a solution to the bug where the phone just turns itself off in the middle of a phone call yet?19:59
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Tegunickg_: no other than a temporary fix (take battery out for 10 minutes if it keeps restarting all over again)20:01
Teguand a shutdown happened also for me today right in the beginning of a call. not a reboot loop this time, though20:02
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gabriel9how to remove items from SilicaListView20:34
gabriel9all items20:34
gabriel9i tried model.clear20:34
gabriel9but that does not update interface20:34
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nickg_Tegu: where did the 10 minute number that's always mentioned come from. Is 1 minute not enough? What about 10 seconds?20:36
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stephgnickg_, 1 minute isn't enough20:38
Eztrannickg_: From what's been said on this channel before, it's an attempt to ensure everything on the phone is completely dead/restarted, including power systems which may not reset for minutes after the battery's removed.20:39
stephg^ that20:39
stephganecdotally 2 minutes wasn't enough for me20:39
stephg(take battery out, put back in, phone spontaneously booted)20:39
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nickg_I wonder if we could invent an Other Half with a piece of plastic which slides inbetween the battery and it's connector. That would beat taking it off all the time!20:54
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Venemoseems that 1st of April is not over yet: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/motif-on-wayland20:57
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M4rtinK3Venemo: the American timezones are just getting started :)21:22
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Venemoindeed M4rtinK321:26
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louisdkHI22:35
Waiteehi22:37
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louisdkAny new/interesting things on Jolla? :)22:51
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