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stephgmorning folks08:20
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stephgquiet on irc today08:20
Stskeepsjust jetlagged08:20
stephghehe08:20
stephghappy to be home I bet tho08:20
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r0kk3rzhave fun in india Stskeeps ?08:22
intehello08:22
inteare there any rumors about a Jolla2 phone?08:22
intemy display has a crack and it would cost me roughly 120euros to fix it08:23
Stskeepsr0kk3rz: ah, i'm not part of the india team08:23
intehowever, if i could also get a jolla2 in maybe 6month i would overthink it08:23
r0kk3rzoh ok, hk then :P08:23
Stskeepsi am technical, i don't go on stages ;)08:23
inteor a new jolla1 for lets say... 180euros08:23
r0kk3rzyou could have been working some background magic08:24
inteare there any news?08:24
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r0kk3rzinte: nope, i would expect Jolla to keep very quiet about it until they're just about to release08:26
pp_:-)08:26
intewell, they didnt do so for the first one :)08:26
pp_they might accidentally have code in their kernel tree (or maybe not :-) )08:27
intehowever, to keep quiet is still better than nokia anouncing smartphones roughly a year before release08:27
inteor ericsson...08:27
pp_I'd assume it's 3.4 for the current one and some other android-kernel-based-thingy for whatever they might have some day08:27
intehehe i remeber having seen this ericsson smartphone with flapable keyboard at the cebit... 99?08:27
r0kk3rzthey've only just released the jphone in india, which means there should be at least 6 months before the next one08:28
inteit eventually came to market in 2001 or something :)08:28
r0kk3rzbut i'm sure they started work on the jphone2 the second the first one was released08:29
intethis snpadeal offer is for india?08:30
trigpointI am trying to add streams to sailwave, but what is it looking for?08:33
trigpointIf I add http://bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r2.asx is compains its a file, then if I unpack it and add08:34
trigpointmms://wmlive-acl.bbc.net.uk/wms/bbc_ami/radio2/radio2_bb_live_eq1_sl0 it complains that it doesn't understand mms08:35
trigpointThe mms stream is what opens with mplayer08:35
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intehey, why is the Jolla only 212euro in India?08:36
tadzikso indians can afford it, I guess08:36
Sceltand shorter road from China factory08:37
Stskeepsdifferent market, different pricing..08:37
tadzikthat's a rule in our world, the closer you live to germany, the richer everyone assumes you are08:37
tadzik(because fuck poland :P)08:38
intei have to go to india :)08:38
intea new screen cost me 120euro, id rather go for a new phone for 212!!08:38
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suosaaskiinte: but then you would still have that broken screen on the other phone, and you would have 100e less :)08:39
intewell i guess i could sell the broken one on ebay for the difference08:39
r0kk3rzkeep it for parts08:40
r0kk3rzspare internals, battery etc08:40
inteas I always say, 100euro is going out at St. Pauli for one night :)08:41
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meklutadzik: but everything's cheap there! D:08:44
tadzikmeklu: yeah, sure. Jolla, Steam games...08:44
meklufood, food, food...08:45
meklucomputer parts08:45
tadzikfood isn't regionally priced, for obvious reasons08:45
mekluI think I meant germany here08:46
tadzikoh08:46
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integermany is not that particula cheap08:47
inteat least for hamburg08:47
inteor, at least for the bars in hamburg08:47
inteif you only go for alcohol from the supermarket, its probably extraordinary cheap compared to finland :)08:48
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ShinryuuWut, I closed warehouse, my led blinked rapidly in a green color, screen turned off but couple of seconds later it turned on and this thing seems to work just fine :D08:50
mekluI've had that happen a few times with different things08:52
ShinryuuOh.. guess I'll try to dive more into this thing later. I hope it's just a random bug, not anything criticak.08:53
Shinryuucritical*08:53
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Nicd-Shinryuu: I think it means the UI (lipstick) crashed08:58
Nicd-but was automatically rebooted08:58
kimmoli"GLOD"08:58
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ShinryuuOh.. well that's a nice thing to hear08:58
Nicd-kimmoli: but usual "of Death" things result in a power cycle or complete brick08:59
Shinryuuguess I'll reboot this thing.. I rarely do that09:00
kimmoliyes, i had BRLOD few days ago then...09:00
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ShinryuuHope this thing won't brick etc.09:04
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r0kk3rznah its just lipstick restarting itself09:21
r0kk3rzhappens on occasion09:22
Nicd-so just what I said :P09:22
chem|stShinryuu: nothing to worry as the others said, that was lipstick crashing - provide logs to warehouse maintainer...09:22
ShinryuuI'll do that later, I'm at work.09:23
chem|st(just guessing that it was warehouse causing it, might be getting back to home-screen so lipstick crashed itself)09:23
chem|stinte: cheap depends on where you are, student-bars even in hamburg will be much cheaper than any other bar for example09:25
chem|stkimmoli: GLOR(esurrection) and RLOD09:26
kimmoliofficial acronyms \o/09:26
chem|styeah!09:26
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chem|stjust like SOON(TM)09:27
Stskeepsmorn faenil09:27
faenilStskeeps: yo o/09:27
chem|stkimmoli: how about GLORY?09:28
intechem|st: there are not too many student bars in hamburg09:29
inteim kind of glad not to have studied in hamburg09:29
chem|stinte: you know of!09:29
chem|sthamburg is expensive though09:29
intethere are so many nice things to do which you couldnt afford as student09:30
inteof?09:30
intethats a bar?09:30
intei dont know it...09:30
inte:)09:30
chem|styou know fo/about09:30
inteah09:30
inteyeah :)09:31
chem|stwhat did you pay for a beer?09:31
inteentrance at pudel club is only 3euro :)09:31
chem|stor a cocktail?09:31
intechem|st: depends where you are09:31
intea cocktail can cost around 12euro09:31
chem|stcalc avg please09:31
inteusually cuba libre is around 709:31
inteor even more09:31
intelike at the empire riverside cocktailbar09:32
intenice view there, though09:32
chem|stI am in a rather cheap area and get .5L beer for about 3.70 and cocktails or longdrings >5.0009:33
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chem|stprestige places over here charge you 7eur for a glas of water... been to st tropez? 9eur for a coke...09:34
intewhere are you?09:34
chem|stclose to the french border (Kaiserslautern)09:35
inteah09:35
chem|stwe have approx the highest bar to citizen ratio in the country09:36
inteisnt that bw?09:37
intethen you need it because its forbidden to sell alcohol to the curb after 10pm :)09:37
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intethats a thing I like in hamburg, you have plenty of kiosk all over that town which are open either till late or 24h09:38
intenot that i need to buy alcohol that late often09:38
intebut I could09:38
inte:)09:38
chem|stno that is RLP and we have those rules as protection of some places, downtown where the crash kids live at night they don't sell after 1009:40
chem|stbut they gather at 9:45 buy what they may carry and get wasted around the corner anyway09:41
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intechem|st: so your lucky09:44
Sail0rhttp://media.theage.com.au/featured/iphone-6-bend-test-5808006.html?rand=141153152678209:44
inteive been to heidelberg once and they were very strict on that rule09:44
intei wasnt even allowed to buy some beer in a supermarket at 10:02pm09:44
inteafter i was in the line for 10minutes09:45
intepretty much annoying09:45
chem|stinte: the register won't allow you to buy, it is not up to the sales person^^09:45
intewell then they should tune their registers09:45
intecant be09:45
chem|stthose rules are stupid anyway09:45
intethe whole law is rediculous anyway09:46
inteyes09:46
intebut what would one expect from that local government09:46
intei recently read they are about to ban public drinking completly09:46
intelike in US09:46
inteas if this was ther problem09:46
chem|stI needed a bottle of red wine for a dinner and was screwed over...09:46
inteits not about alcohol09:47
chem|stno it is about visible poverty09:47
inteI had the impression that in BW the people are in desperate need for rules09:47
inteand if they dont have any, they dont know to behave09:47
chem|stthey forbid tits on TV but brutal man slaughter is allowed...09:47
intestrange folks09:47
intewhere was that?09:48
inte:)09:48
intei rather go for tits :-P09:48
chem|steven in the news, they just say "the following content may be to graphic for some people"09:48
intechem|st: reminds me when I was in Tanzania09:48
inteif you where traveling by bus, they always showed action movies09:48
Sail0rwell you all have luck09:48
Sail0rI am from bavaria were the shops close at 8pm09:49
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intebut if there was a kissing scene (which are rare in those movies anyways), they instantly fast forwarded them :)09:49
inteSail0r: but there should be small Kiosks?09:49
chem|stSail0r: I would close of shops at 8pm too everywhere, protect those sad workers09:49
intehehe09:50
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intechem|st: I guess theyre rather happy to work for their money09:50
Sail0rinte: mostly gas stattions09:50
inteSail0r: well but at least those sell alcohol after 10pm?09:50
inte:)09:50
chem|stthere is no need to have shops open, if you don't have them open till 12pm you adapt to it, if some have open till 12pm you swear out loud when a shop closes at 8pm09:51
Sail0rbut only small amounts and tripled price09:51
Nicd-in finland all alcohol sales are forbidden between 9pm - 9am09:51
Sail0reven at a bar?09:51
joonahoiin retail stores09:51
Nicd-yeah, meaning stores09:51
Nicd-not restaurants or bars09:51
Sail0rok09:51
inteNicd-: and does that help anyone?09:51
Nicd-inte: no09:51
chem|stit helps bars09:51
inte:)09:52
Nicd-but we love forbidding things09:52
inteok, agree09:52
inteNicd-: sounds like in BW:)09:52
inteNicd-: are bars allowed to open the whole night?09:53
Nicd-inte: no09:53
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chem|stthe rather 24h opening ours open new job opportunities, yes09:53
intewups09:53
intenot even clubs?09:53
chem|stinte: in Germany you need a permit09:53
intewhen do they usually close?09:53
intechem|st: probably depends on where you are09:53
inteat least I cant imaging all bars in Hamburg have applied for an extra permit09:54
inteand the seldom close before 2 during the week09:54
inte4 during the weekend09:54
Nicd-inte: a place serving alcohol can be opened at 5 am at the earliest and closed at 2 pm at the latest. the closing time can be extended to 4.30 am with a special permit09:54
inteand some dont close at all09:54
Nicd-closed at 2 am at the latest*09:55
inteNicd-: so there are 30 minutes where you're not allowed to serve drinks :)09:55
Nicd-damn am/pm, I always mess up09:55
Nicd-inte: yes, if you close at 2 am then you must stop serving at 1.30 am09:55
chem|stdon't know I do not own a club/bar but you need a permit, the part I know is you can have a permit for all days till 3am (fill in time you want), changing that for one night eg thursday is a bank holiday and you want to open till 5am you face a pretty expensive charge to have that single day permit for those two hours09:55
inteah so its one hour09:56
Nicd-but if you close at 1.30 am or earlier then I think you can keep serving alcohol till closing time09:56
intewith extension09:56
intewell, in heidelberg they at to close at 1 if i got it right09:56
inteand at 11pm, the police came to check if they putted away their outside desks properly09:57
inte:)09:57
intevery strange09:57
chem|stif they had issues with neighbours getting pissed after 11pm they go check if you close your outside area properly09:58
intei dont know09:58
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chem|stI know ;)09:58
intethat was the old town09:58
inteI just would move there if I find it too loud09:59
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intesince they banned smoking people are standing outside anyways :)09:59
chem|stheidelberg has really issues with complaints, iirc they want to change the closing time again (my GF studies there)09:59
inteLOL09:59
inteI had the impression that place sucks10:00
inteI obviously does10:00
chem|stand yes it is so stupid, if you cannot live with the noise of downtown, don't move downtown!10:00
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rigoAFAIK, Berlin has compulsory closing time for bars10:01
rigohas no10:01
rigoso they can be open 24h10:01
inteits incredible how different germany is if you go to different areas10:02
inteI traveled a bit recently10:02
inteBerlin is nice anyways10:02
inteThats where the government is and probably the like long opening hours :)10:02
intethey10:04
intechem|st: Heidelberg has a nice downtown10:04
intethe castle10:05
inteeverything10:05
intebut as soon as you leave that area it get incredibly ugly10:05
inteI seldom experienced such contrasts10:05
r0kk3rzi need to figure out where im going in germany10:05
intemaybe similar to Dresden, but Dresden was completly wiped out in WW210:06
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inter0kk3rz: i'd suggest Hamburg, Berlin, Munich10:06
chem|stinte: the gov is split between Bonn and Berlin, Berlin is the representative Capital10:06
grzywaczchem|st, not all people "moved" downtime, some might have been living there for generations since times with no 24/7 bars ;)10:06
grzywacz*downtown10:06
intechem|st: yes10:06
chem|stgrzywacz: also true10:06
r0kk3rzmight not make it down to munich, but berlin and hamburg for sure10:07
intebut apart from the ministry of health and some smaler instituions everything moved to Berlin afaik10:07
inter0kk3rz: Leipzig is extraordinary nice as well10:07
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inter0kk3rz: from Munich you could also do a daytrip to the Zugspitze, Germanys highes peak10:08
intedo some skiing10:08
inteok10:08
inteFrom Hamburg you could go to the coast10:08
r0kk3rzmight have to see if I can factor that in10:08
intebeautiful landscape as well :)10:09
r0kk3rzfrom hamburg i'll be heading to copenhagen on my way to sweden10:09
inter0kk3rz: ah, copenhagen is very nice as well!10:09
* inte has been to the Roskilde festival a couple of times10:09
inteand some daytrips to copenhagen from there10:10
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chem|stinte: 6 ministries have their first office in Bonn, one is the DOD... all others have a secondary office there10:12
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intechem|st: ok. well Germany is rich we can afford to pay the government twice :)10:12
inteactually, three times, if you also count brussels10:13
inte:)10:13
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Sail0rr0kk3rz: the new app icon is cool10:41
Sail0rand the new cover, too10:41
r0kk3rzyeah its not too bad10:43
r0kk3rzbeen a long time since i tried any graphic design10:43
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chem|stinte`: count them 4 times, govs like to travel alot11:07
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eyea_UK_jolla )0!1@ joh11:22
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shanttumy jolla got laggy and I discovered the problem is caused by btrfs bug https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/11:38
stephgshanttu: yep that happens11:38
shanttubtrfs balance / has ran almost two hours and status is "0 out of about 22 chunks balanced (19 considered), 100% left"11:39
shanttushould i stop it or do something else?11:39
tbrshanttu: how much free space does your filesystem have?11:39
shanttualmost 5 gigs11:39
Nicd-mine ran for 10 - 20 minutes but I did not get any visible output in the meantime11:39
Jonnibalance can take 24 hours on worst cases11:39
Jonniso patience is the keyword when running balance command11:40
stephg^^ and power :)11:40
shanttui just wait and hope it ends well then11:41
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shanttuI was almost looking to buy another phone already but discovered that topic. really waiting to get non-laggy experience again with the device. It's been like a N900 simulator when I cannot answer a call.11:43
stephgall sorts of odd things go on when the btrfs gets messed up11:44
SK_workbtrfs balance tooked a night for me11:50
SK_workI launched it once, didn't work well11:50
SK_workand relaunched it11:50
ccha5has someone installed skype? does it work ? since few week, skype doesn't work anymore11:57
inte`Sail0r, r0kk3rz which app?11:58
ccha5for me11:58
Sail0rSirenSong11:58
inte`ccha5: there is skype for jolla?11:58
ccha5android11:58
inte`ccha5: or do you mean skype on android?11:58
inte`ah11:58
inte`dont know11:58
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inte`I only wonder if it is possible to just copy the skype libs from the n9 and utilize them on the jolla11:59
r0kk3rzinte`: its a music player i'm writing11:59
inte`:)11:59
inte`r0kk3rz: ah cool11:59
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SK_workinte`: someone did this on #sailfishos-porters12:00
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inte`SK_work: is there something at tmo or anywhere else?12:01
inte`sounds interesting12:01
Venemo_jmorning12:02
inte`however, skype blocked some older versions recently12:02
SK_workyep12:02
inte`dont know if the n9 still works since the usb-port is broken on mine12:02
SK_workinte`: forgot who said this12:02
Venemo_jinte`: it is highly unlikely12:02
SK_workand I don't have logs12:02
* inte` destroys everything12:02
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inte`Venemo_j: it unlikely skype still works on the n912:03
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ccha5inte`: I updated to last skype android version and can't connecte12:03
inte`?12:03
inte`ccha5: i barely use skype12:03
Venemo_jinte`: it is unlikely that the binaries as copied from the N9 will work12:03
inte`dont know whats the problem12:03
inte`Venemo_j: why12:03
inte`at least for chat?12:03
inte`architecture is similar12:04
Venemo_jI don't think the two platforms are binary compatible12:04
inte`arch as well12:04
SK_workVenemo_j: I have seen someone saying that he made it work (on #sailfishos-porters)12:04
SK_workeven if I doubt too about the BC12:04
Venemo_jactually, the architecture is not the same12:04
* inte` didnt even know that this channel exists12:04
r0kk3rzits about time someone made an open skype replacement12:04
inte`if i had a n9(50) it would be easy to figure that out12:05
inte`r0kk3rz: there are some12:05
inte`like tox12:05
inte`and anything else12:05
inte`I recently read about, was anounced for SFOS as well12:05
SK_workI was more thinking about linking to skylib12:05
r0kk3rztox isnt video though12:05
SK_workand doing some bridging thing12:05
SK_worka bit like libhybris + apkenv12:06
r0kk3rzand neither is ricochet which will be released on sfos first12:06
inte`tox is supposed to do video once it is finished I think12:06
inte`are right, ricochet12:06
SK_workwho said that it will be SFOS first ?12:06
SK_work(ricochet ?)12:06
r0kk3rzummm12:07
r0kk3rzthe wired interview mentioned it i think12:07
Venemo_jyou can use the android version of skype on the jolla though12:07
inte`tox is advertising video @tox.im12:07
r0kk3rzthe dude that wrote it works for jolla12:07
SK_workVenemo_j: ccha5 said it is not working anymore12:07
Venemo_jthen that's a bug12:08
faenilSK_work: special said it himself ;)12:08
SK_workfaenil: ha ?12:09
cybettehttps://twitter.com/jbrooks_/status/51255381906280038412:09
SK_workgood for us :)12:09
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inte`https://github.com/ricochet-im/ricochet/releases12:10
inte`its already available for desktops12:11
Nicd-yeah, he meant for mobile12:11
r0kk3rzdoesnt need to be a super secret skype replacement though, just something not owned by microsoft12:11
inte`hehe12:11
inte`true12:11
inte`wait12:11
inte`we have gtalk12:12
inte`:)12:12
Nicd-google is not a better choice :P12:12
tadzikoh yeah, *way* better :P12:12
inte`hehe12:12
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r0kk3rzbut if ricochet just works, and all the commsec voodoo is mostly hidden from the user12:13
r0kk3rzthen im all for it12:13
chem|stSK_work: special said on his twitter, is linked on TJC and on facebook12:15
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SK_workthanks :)12:16
chem|stSK_work: nvw I just missed to hit pagedwn....12:16
chem|st;)12:16
inte`ricochet looks really promising12:16
faenil:)12:16
inte`tox is a bit too complicated IMHO12:16
inte`and its being developed for ages12:16
inte`and still no stable release12:17
inte`i was hoping tox could be something two years ago12:17
inte`but till now...12:17
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r0kk3rzif they can make ricochet as easy as whatsapp, then maybe12:20
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Andy80morning12:20
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Andy80I've seen there is an update for mitakuuluu in openrepos (0.8.8), was it released today? I installed it but I don't remember which version I had before :P12:21
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r0kk3rzAndy80: theres going to be another release soon, which hopefully fixes the cpu bug12:23
Andy80r0kk3rz, ah cool!12:23
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r0kk3rzwell the only person to reproduce the bug on demand says its fixed, which is good enough for me12:24
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r0kk3rzhmm the current release of ricochet looks pretty basic12:34
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inte`on desktop?12:34
r0kk3rzyeah12:35
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r0kk3rzthe main thing missing is a good discovery service12:36
r0kk3rzwhich is important if its ever going to gain decent market share12:36
inte`does it use central servers?12:37
inte`or how do you find each other?12:37
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r0kk3rzit gives you a ricochet id, which you give out12:39
r0kk3rzand they add you to their list12:39
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inteah, similar to tox12:39
intethe id is also some hash like asfsdfsdbmfhtrwit43uq n8t5wmt 4w5iout m45ilu 4u5ilm 4u5oi;lt12:40
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inte?12:40
inteor can you also choose a nickname?12:40
r0kk3rzi dont think so12:40
chem|stinte: you do not need nicknames anymore12:40
r0kk3rzyou choose a name for your contact when you put it in12:40
r0kk3rzlike you would for an SMS contact12:41
intewell but you will have to exchange the hash?12:41
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intewhich I find pretty complicated12:41
chem|stinte: camera12:41
intewould be cool to have some decentralised directory servers12:41
intewhere you could register your nick12:42
intei know it weak in terms of security12:42
r0kk3rzthe hash isnt that big for ricochet12:42
intebut far more useable12:42
chem|stinte: I don't know the nick of about 99% of my IM contacts12:42
r0kk3rzim not sure whether theres a way to use multiple end points either12:42
inteyes, true again12:42
r0kk3rzso, different device = different id12:43
chem|stfor some reason my centerIM got reset and I do not know a single person of my contactlist that is currently offline12:43
* inte just downloaded richochet12:43
intecurrently connecting to tor12:43
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r0kk3rzricochet:upvrwugej7yrsojp12:44
inter0kk3rz: the different device/id thing is the same with tor12:44
intetox12:44
Nicd-notice that IRC is not a secure medium to share your address with :)12:44
intewell its for testing I guess12:45
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inteno one uses ricochet anyways :)12:45
inte...still connecting to tor12:45
r0kk3rzif i was serious about it i would generate a new id12:45
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r0kk3rzfor actual use, rather than an exploratory "wtf is this thing anyway"12:46
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r0kk3rzand anyway, its less about total security and more about a cost amplification attack against the nsa et.al12:48
chem|stis there a 32bit built somewhere?12:48
chem|stI currently forced into 32bit winxp12:48
inter0kk3rz: just added you12:52
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Sail0rhm nice http://thehackernews.com/2014/09/tripadvisors-viator-hit-by-massive-14_24.html13:05
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Andy80I'm curious about today's announcement regarding Jolla and Italy :)13:08
chem|stAndy80: if there is no press release there is no announcement^^ link?13:09
Andy80chem|st, https://www.facebook.com/JollaMobile/photos/a.551935021487007.138456.492319420781901/936227896391049/?type=113:09
Andy80chem|st, and also https://www.facebook.com/JollaMobile/posts/93586352309415313:10
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chem|stAndy80: "Unofficial Jolla Page"13:17
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Sail0rupdate coming? Store is broken15:30
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Sail0rok only wifi broken15:31
PeperJohnnystill up to date :<15:31
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r0kk3rzupdate cant be too far away16:04
r0kk3rznot a whole lot of september left16:04
Sail0rthey are running out of september ;)16:09
PeperJohnnyWell better late than never ;)16:09
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TemeVjust wondering... did they specify which year?16:16
TemeVthere is always another september16:16
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PeperJohnnyWell let's hope every september ;)16:19
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Sail0ris jolla affected by CVE-2014-6271?16:22
Sail0rlooks like it is16:23
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stephgyeah fix for that was just announced in centos16:23
Sail0rdo you have a link?16:25
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stephghm possibly not that, I have different bash fixes16:27
stephgsec16:27
stephgno16:27
stephgsame one16:27
stephghttps://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2016:27
stephgno16:27
stephghttps://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2014-1293.html16:27
stephgthat16:27
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Sail0rhttp://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2014-September/020585.html16:28
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stephgyes16:28
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stephginterestingly all those fixes are for bash 4.x16:30
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stephgwhich Sailfish ootb doesn't have16:30
Sail0rbut it's affected according to the test :x16:31
stephgno I lie, the RH fix does have 3.x fixes16:32
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Sail0raaaand all servers up to date16:37
Sail0rthx to puppet16:37
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stephgno fixes yet afaik for debian or ubuntu16:46
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Navstephg: I've just updated a wheezy box and that installed a bash update, a quick test shows its no longer vulnerable16:50
NavSo either it was patched, or it wasn't vulnerable anyway16:50
stephggood to know16:51
Sail0rtest="() { echo Hello; }; echo affected" bash -c ""16:53
Sail0rtest it yourself if you are affected16:53
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sjtoikoo fff. my loud speaker acts funny. there is some sort of connection problem with in18:21
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Morpog_PC__OMG18:50
Morpog_PC__kimmoli, you guys rock :D18:50
Morpog_PC__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwcVU_XrklA&feature=youtu.be18:50
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phlixi unfortunately the sound is not from the jolla19:19
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sledgeskimmoli: letoh - awesome party with the other half;D19:29
sledgeshow about making it "dance" to what it hears through the mic? ;)19:29
sledgesso your jolla could party even in a party house19:29
sledgesor club19:29
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stephg\o/ half of amazon is going to reboot in the next 4 days19:42
* stephg facepalm19:42
Stskeepsthat sounds fun19:42
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stephgStskeeps: FSVO fun19:46
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r0kk3rzstephg: you work for amazon?19:46
stephgr0kk3rz: no, but I manage a couple of hundred boxes for various people that are all in AWS19:47
r0kk3rzoh right19:47
r0kk3rzyeah that does sound fun19:48
r0kk3rzsounds like it might be for the bash exploit19:49
stephgit's almost absolutely definitely because of it19:49
r0kk3rzcouldnt they do some magi VM shuffling19:50
r0kk3rzive certainly done things like that, but on a much smaller scale19:51
r0kk3rzbut i suppose the core image is going to need patching19:51
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stephgthey don't do vmotion-esque things in AWS afaik, nor could they really because of the ephemeral storage; but we're getting waaay off topic now19:54
stephgso to bring us back: update? :P19:55
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r0kk3rzduke nukem forever will be released when its done20:39
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stephgbeing serious for a minute u9 slipped a little they said in the community meeting (if you'd not seen r0kk3rz)20:54
* stephg will happily wait, it's ready when it's ready20:54
r0kk3rzyeah i saw that, its a major update and its best to get it right20:55
stephg+120:56
M4rtinKI really hope they manage to also ship the store update for multi-dependency support with the update20:59
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r0kk3rzshouldnt they be able to do that outside of an os update?21:00
stephgdepends if there's any client-side changes:- fwiw even things like heartbleed got rolled up into updates rather than hotfixes21:02
stephgbut yeah from what I remember it's not unheard of there to be store upgrades unrelated to updates21:02
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r0kk3rzthey release updates so frequently that its easy to roll things together21:05
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r0kk3rzbut i would have thought most of the changes would be isolated to the harbour backend and the store app21:05
r0kk3rzthink i found another job for NielDK http://nethunter.com/21:08
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M4rtinKr0kk3rz: sure, it could be done outside of the update21:13
M4rtinKr0kk3rz: but that just means it would be even more delayed than it is now :)21:13
M4rtinKBTW, IMO the store ad its backend are seriously lagging compared to other stuff21:14
r0kk3rzyeah but theres probably a reason for that21:14
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M4rtinKand in comparison what BasilSemuonov did basically single-handedly with open repos, the store is IMO still pretty much a joke21:15
r0kk3rzi guess they're focussing on the core functionality, rather than the app ecosystem21:16
stephgwell if paid app stuff surfaces in Q3 (which for some reason I have in my head as the roadmap)...21:16
r0kk3rzpayment processing is always a pain though21:17
stephgall I mean is there's probably plenty going on underneath that we don't appreciate21:17
M4rtinKsure, core functionality is important, but many people judge a mobile platform by application availability21:18
javispedroexcept if you're apple21:18
r0kk3rzapple have both in spades though21:19
M4rtinKwhile I don'T care about bullshit stats like number of apps, it bothers me if important application building blocks are basically banned from the store21:19
javispedrothey didn't when they released the iphone..21:19
r0kk3rzbecause they're obscenely rich and can do anything21:19
M4rtinKand application developers are thus being separated from their potential users21:19
r0kk3rzadmittedly the iphone was a big risk that worked for them21:19
M4rtinKnot to speak of other deficiencies the store has21:20
stephgM4rtinK: I don't disagree but I think it needs to be taken in context, i.e. it's a work in progress and features will come21:20
r0kk3rzeveryone (including myself) laughed at the thought of aapl going head to head with nokia and blackberry21:20
M4rtinKjust today I wanted to point out the many nice native apps Sailfish has (+ Android compatibility) and had link to OpenRepos as the Jolla store has no Web interface...21:21
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M4rtinKstephg: well, I really hope so21:21
r0kk3rzyeah i didnt know about openrepos when i bought my Jolla21:22
r0kk3rzand kept looking for a web interface for the app store, to see what was there21:22
r0kk3rzthe whole purchase was a massive leap of faith21:23
r0kk3rzwhich im glad I did21:23
M4rtinKI really want Jolla & Sailfish to succeed, that's why I'm pointing out these things, which I think are important for success :)21:23
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M4rtinKwell, one has to support projects like this21:24
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stephgagain I don't think anyone disagrees (I certainly don't); but I suppose it's a matter of resources and prioritisation21:24
M4rtinKsame thing with the new keyboard TOH - there are basically no alternatives21:24
r0kk3rzgive me a desk and unlimited coffee at JollaHQ, resources can be fixed :P21:25
M4rtinKand one would also like to prove people wrong, that people do want open mobile devices & mobile devices with a hardware keyboard :)21:26
r0kk3rzM4rtinK: the fact you can buy slide out keyboards for iphones suggests there is a market21:26
M4rtinKwell, I don't work at/for JollaHQ, but  we do have unlimited coffee :D21:26
Aardr0kk3rz: does the desk need to be at our hq, or is just shipping you coffee enough? :p21:27
r0kk3rzhaha maybe21:27
* Aard would pay for coffee out of my own pocket if I get free resources :p21:28
louisdkI'm about to sync contacts and SMSes from my Jolla (will be sent in for repair) to an old Nokia 3710 bold. So far the feature "import to this (nokia) phone" has failed. Now i'm trying to sync them 0% still.21:29
r0kk3rzunfortunately im going to have to go back to australia soon, and get a real job21:30
Aarddamn21:30
Aardbut with enough coffee you can skip sleeping?21:30
MoritzJTlouisdk: I havent tried it yet, but could try it with a 808PV21:30
r0kk3rzwith enough coffee, I can sell coffee and still have enough left to drink21:30
Aardsure you're not mixing up coffee and cocaine?21:31
stephgright I've been summoned to bed21:31
stephggnight folks, catch you in the morning21:31
r0kk3rzcoffee cocaine, now theres an idea21:31
louisdkT21:32
M4rtinKI've seen an eshop where you can build caffeine in bulk21:32
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M4rtinKit was priced by the kg21:33
M4rtinKbasically21:33
r0kk3rzbut ive been doing pretty well with an air mattress to sleep on, and a free internet connection21:33
louisdkMoritzJT, I looks like the Nokia 3710 runs S40 and my mom had lock with exporting contacts to her Samsung Galaxy S2 (Android) when she retired it.21:33
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MoritzJTyou got any alternatives?21:34
louisdkMoritzJT, I'll try with Contacts only and see if that will works.21:34
louisdk*work21:35
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Aardlouisdk: in theory s40 runs syncml, and our contacts export works with that. in practise, we couldn't get our hands on a s40 model when we tested the contacts sync, and s40 users was not really such a big userbase we were expecting to cater for anyway21:36
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louisdkAard, hmm maybe I should look at exporting contacts on my Jolla to a csv file.21:40
raa700doesn't backup do that21:43
Aardlouisdk: invoker --type=generic vcardconverter -e vcards.vcf should give you a file vcards.vcf containing all contacts as vcard21:44
louisdkAard, thanks. Found it on together trough :)21:47
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chem|stI just tried new toys, I ordered an ultra slim qi-receiver for an S5 where the hardware would actually fit in the gap at sd and simcard slots, even that is too thick for a standard cover... how stupid is that...22:05
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chem|stI removed all extra sheets (thick sticky tape) from the receiver, so it was the blank circuit sheet with a coil+shield22:07
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r0kk3rzobviously a very tight fit22:10
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