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pdanekBlackBerry Passport released o.O00:42
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pdanekhttp://youtu.be/aVzXYETUvLg00:53
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TsingiJolla in Canada an option?01:30
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Nicd-http://www.jollausers.com/2014/09/official-jolla-sails-to-italy/05:20
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coderusI need two testers for Mitakuuluu: 1 who can quickly reproduce cpu bug, 2 who have no_routes error during registration.07:38
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Sail0rthere was one who can reproduce the high cpu bug07:48
Nicd-yeah, I have it sometimes but can't reproduce it on will07:50
Nicd-only time will tell07:50
Sail0rI forgot the name of the guy07:51
Sceltmr. wise guy?07:51
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Sail0rmaybe07:51
Sail0rxD07:51
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Sail0rBasilSemuonov was the name07:53
Sail0r19:44:27 BasilSemuonov: r0kk3rz, basicaly, drop all packets and switch network twice, so 2 reconnect occures, I'm using faraday cell to block cell network and switch to wifi and back.07:55
BasilSemuonovSail0r, we need more testers, if any, to test that it is actually fixed07:55
Sail0rI use no Whatsapp :x07:55
Nicd-I use mitäkuuluu but I don't have a faraday cage07:58
Nicd-and not really time to construct one :P07:58
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Sail0rtry your microwave07:59
SK_workNicd-: tinfoil ?07:59
Sail0rbut don't charge with the microwave ,)07:59
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Nicd-SK_work: won't it block my wifi too?07:59
SK_workhum ...07:59
SK_workthe goal is to block cell and have wifi ?08:00
SK_workhum ...08:00
SK_workdon't know then ?08:00
Nicd-I don't know08:00
SK_workdoesn't a faraday cage block all EM waves ?08:00
Nicd-maybe BasilSemuonov could post step by step instructions08:00
rangoy_webchatcell and wifi hotspot in microwave?08:00
tbra microwave blocks foremost the 13cm band, as that's what's used to heat the food08:01
tbrthere is a special tuned seal in the door08:01
tbrit will generally attenuate all frequencies though08:02
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Nicd-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRFy7M8a4Gw -- finns pushing eachother in a queue waiting to buy cheap iPhone 4s...08:34
arkkipiiska:) finns, the nation who will queue up for free plastic buckets and refurbished iPonies08:36
oh8gnzwith all it's nice security bugs ;)08:36
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tadzikwhat, does it run bash? :P08:37
oh8gnzthere's is a whole in web browser08:37
oh8gnzhttps://www.viestintavirasto.fi/tietoturva/tietoturvanyt/2014/09/ttn201409241655.html08:37
oh8gnzunfortunately in Finnish08:38
tbroh8gnz: NSS? see tweet from some hours ago :)08:39
tbrI hope jolla ships that as part of the update next week. Else I'll completely stop using the sailfish browser for now.08:39
tadzikwow, you are actually using it? :D08:40
oh8gnz:D08:40
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oh8gnzI have used it only for wathing youtube08:40
oh8gnz+c08:40
oh8gnzit's mostly useless for everything else08:40
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tadzikI don't see how it's any useful for youtube, frankly08:40
tadzikit's not like youtube only works in sailfish browser08:41
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Nicd-oh8gnz: why not YTPlayer?08:41
tadzikor, well, any other web browser :P08:41
oh8gnzfor some reason my opera doesn't work with youtube08:42
tadzikhm, mine does08:42
Nicd-my opera works fine with youtube too08:42
oh8gnzthat's why I'm using Jolla's own browser08:42
oh8gnzdunno why08:42
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tadzikwhich opera is that?08:42
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Temespeaking of browsers, how can i install plugins to Android Opera?08:45
Temeneed adblock..08:45
Temeand upon downloading i get an error message that file format .xyz (opera's plugin format) is not registered to any application08:45
Temei guess the android layer can't register file extensions or something... workaround?08:46
oh8gnzI think I downloaded it from Yandex... Opera Mini perhaps08:48
tadzikmini won't work with youtube08:49
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tadzikalso, I don't think android opera supports extensions even on android08:50
mekluYTPlayer is kind of lacking08:50
mekluit doesn't offer a unified sub box08:50
Nicd-Opera Mini proxies all traffic through Opera's own servers08:50
Nicd-it's not a "real" browser08:50
mekluwith all your subscriptions08:50
inteTeme: i experienced the same issue with aptoid appstore/external extensions08:50
tadzikproxying itself doesn't prevent anything from working08:50
tadziktranscoding it to its own format does :)08:50
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Nicd-meklu: I can see all my subscriptions in YTPlayer08:50
Temeinte: found a workaround?08:51
Nicd-meklu: though not a combined list of their videos which would be useful08:51
mekluI thought Opera Mini let you disable Opera Turbo08:51
tadzikMini and Turbo are 2 separate techs08:51
mekluNicd-: that's precisely what it's lacking08:51
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Nicd-meklu: no, Opera Mini only has turbo08:51
tadzikexcept on iOS version, where we call it "Mini" because it's a more recognizable brand08:51
Nicd-Opera Mobile used to be the non-mini version, dunno what they call it nowadays08:51
mekluI guess my info is outdated and/or wrong08:51
tadzikthe new Opera for Android has a on/off switch for mini rendering08:51
tadzikturbo is out08:51
tadzikmini is when opera servers fetch the website, transcode it into a compact binary and send it to your browser, which then displays it (poorly)08:52
inteTeme: jep. Downloaded the apk directly, copied it to the phone and installed it :)08:52
tadzikturbo is when you get the same html/js etc, but opera servers compress it, pack it, minify it, worsen images etc08:52
meklurightio08:53
inteTeme: so, no. I couldnt add any external store to aptoide08:53
Temeinte: but the opera plugins are not distributed as .apk as far as i know08:53
intenono you got me wrong08:53
tadzikI'm pretty sure mobile opera doesn't have any plugin support08:53
inteexternal store links for aptoide also have a certain extension (forgot which) which is not handled by the aptoide app08:54
intetherefore I couldnt find a way to install the extension08:54
Temetadzik: there is for sure08:54
intemy "workaround" was to download the apk i was looking for not through aptoide but directly08:54
intewhich i not an actual workaround :)08:54
Temehey08:55
Temehttps://adblockplus.org/en/android-install this is a .apk08:55
intebut it worked for me in that case, in terms that i now have the apk i was looking for (but not the store)08:55
inteTeme: ah ok08:55
inteso you could be lucky using that08:55
Temetrying it as we speak08:55
Temejust getting download error on both Jolla browser and android08:58
Temeworks fine on desktop08:58
Temesince i lost 3G apparently08:59
Temewhat the ..09:00
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TemeJolla why do you do this ;__;09:03
Teme3G is working but asking me which network to use constantly09:03
meklusometimes disabling and re-enabling mobile data 'works'09:04
Temehmm09:04
Temei tried that09:04
Temenow the whole UI became unresponsive09:05
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Temeas i'm swiping down, i get tactile feedback - assuming it's the top menu09:05
Temebut the screen not scrolling09:05
r0kk3rzsounds like a good one09:05
Skorpygot the same problem as Teme few days ago.09:06
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Temeconnection loop or UI unresponsive (or both back to back?)09:06
Skorpycouldn't scroll from the lockscreen but could swipe from bottom to events view for example09:06
Skorpynot sure about the connection09:06
Temerestart seems to have mitigated both issues09:07
Temeand i can download the adblock .apk, too, which i was originally gonna do :)09:08
SkorpyDid a btrfs balance yesterday. Have to say the phone works much better now.09:11
Temehmm, the adblock installed as a separate app and seems to start fine09:15
Temejust doesn't have any effect for the browser :/09:15
r0kk3rzyeah its hard to link apks together09:16
Temebut possible?09:16
r0kk3rznot sure09:16
Temei am willing to tinker around if someone can give me any directions09:17
r0kk3rzmaybe throw something up on TJC09:17
r0kk3rzsomeone from jolla with insight into the android layer should be able to help09:17
Temeyeah, might try to09:18
Temegonna first test the good ol' urlfilter.ini09:18
Temeon the webs they claim mobile opera supports it just as the desktop version09:19
Temeshouldn't be too hard to use this list http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/opera/urlfilter.ini and keep it up-to-date with a shell script09:19
Temejust need to figure out the folder for it09:19
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tadzikI don't believe these kind of .ini files work anymore09:44
Nicd-not since opera became chrome09:46
tadzikthe config files are actually signed so you can't mess with them too much09:48
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SK_workhttp://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/09/24/samsung-drains-software-power-from-mobile/10:05
SK_workhum ?10:05
Stskeepsinteresting10:06
Stskeepsthat smells like tizen mobile is dead10:06
SK_workStskeeps: a bit sad :(10:07
Stskeepswellll10:07
Stskeepsyes and no10:07
stephgit has the word synergies in it, so yes10:07
SK_workTizen tv watch fridge yay10:08
StskeepsSK_work: http://fuckyeahinternetfridge.tumblr.com/10:08
Nicd-well there's already WebOS TV10:08
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SK_workStskeeps: brr10:09
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r0kk3rzNicd-: yeah but most of the webos team have left11:04
r0kk3rzbecause of LGs retarded bonus policy11:04
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r0kk3rzhttps://gigaom.com/2014/08/28/a-failed-experiment-how-lg-screwed-up-its-webos-acquisition/ eye opening read about the whole process11:07
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Nicd-yeah, I read it11:15
mekluwow, that is one retarded bonus policy11:16
r0kk3rzyeah, sounds great until you realise the problem with it11:20
* Stskeeps likes jolla's bonus policy better11:21
Nicd-Stskeeps: beatings will continue until morale improves?11:21
StskeepsNicd-: close enough, everybody gets bonus X a month, but you have to give it away to somebody else11:23
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r0kk3rzbut its anonymous?11:25
Stskeepsnah11:25
r0kk3rzoh ok11:26
r0kk3rzinteresting11:26
r0kk3rzwouldnt work in all workplaces, but if it works well for Jolla then awesome11:26
Stskeepssure11:26
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Sail0rStskeeps: so I get let's say 100 euro and give it to you? Can one get more then one bonus?11:30
Stskeepsyes11:30
Stskeepsso doing good in the eyes of others helps your bottom line11:31
Sail0rok, cool11:31
Nightmare__Stskeeps: are you experiencing big problems with that rule?11:31
Stskeepsnop11:32
Sail0rbut doesn't that make much envy between the people?11:32
Stskeepswell, you can envy or you can act in a way that will gain you praise from others, i'd say it's a motivator (but i'm not HR)11:32
Sail0rok, I don't think that would work for my company11:33
r0kk3rzthat is the risk I think, but if you have a good group it can work11:33
Stskeepstakes a special culture indeed11:33
r0kk3rzmaybe finns arent as jealous11:34
Stskeepswe have ~20 different nationalities, i think11:34
Sail0rbut you started with this policy ?11:35
Stskeepsyeah, from very early on in the company11:35
Temejealousy is a stereotypical finnish trait for sure :P11:35
Sail0rok, that's different11:35
Nightmare__i would like too see if it works in our company (german, 16k+ employes) but i dont think that our managers would implement it11:36
Temehmm, don't people start making "give me yours i'll give you mine" -arrangements to ensure getting 1 unit of bonus?11:37
Temealthough if it's non-anonymous...11:38
Stskeepsnot as far as i've seen11:38
Stskeepsbut that's probably more for an antrophological study11:38
r0kk3rzwell if its non anonymous OR private11:41
r0kk3rzso everyone knows who got what by whom11:41
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Sceltlike eurovision song contest11:42
Sceltneighbour giving neighbour11:42
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rangoy_webchatIs jolla exploitable by shellshock?11:53
tbrrangoy_webchat: from what I've seen is that there will be a fix in next week's update11:54
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tbralso there is not really any real attack surface from what I can tell. so it's more cosmetics11:54
Sail0rCVE-2014-716911:56
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rangoy_webchattbr: The DHCP implementation is safe/not using bash?12:02
tbrrangoy_webchat: haven't checked, tbh. someone else would need to comment.12:03
rangoy_webchatI guess it probably uses busybox, but in security guessing is not always smart12:04
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javispedrorangoy_webchat, connman uses its own dhcp client12:27
rangoy_webchatjavispedro: good:)12:28
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RST38hHELO javispedro12:43
javispedrohi RST38h12:43
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kimmoliRST38h: did i ask already does your nick refer to opcode 0xFF ?12:48
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norayrok, i have connected bluetooth keyboard to jolla, it's cool. but how to use xkb maps?12:55
RST38hkimoli: it does12:55
norayri need my custom xkbmap to load.12:55
RST38hjavispedro: How is suffering nowadays?12:55
javispedroactually reasonable12:56
javispedroi've even had some time to write stuff for the jolla12:56
norayri know that we don't have x on jolla, it's wayland. but how to change hardware, in my case, bluetooth keyboard layout?12:57
Stskeepsnorayr: mail sailfish-devel and i'll fwd you in right direction..12:58
norayrhmmm, need to subscribe12:59
norayrminute12:59
javispedroRST38h, what are you using now, out of curiosity? still happy with the android store?13:00
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norayralso, please remind me the cmdline package manager, it's not zipper here.13:01
norayrStskeeps: sent to devel@lists.sailfishos.org13:06
norayrmay be that's not the mailing list you meant.13:06
Stskeepsnah, that's the one13:07
mekluzypper13:08
meklueverything needs to have clunky vowels :)13:08
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ahjolinnadoes anyone have problems with google account in sailfish, for me it always logouts after a while..(about 1 week+)13:09
norayrmeklu: not, it was zypper on nemomobile, but on jolla it was something else.13:09
norayrright now i have checked there is no zypper13:10
* pahartik also tested "Logitech K811" with "Jolla Mobile" yesterday and it worked except keyboard layout configuration13:10
Stskeepspkcon13:10
norayrbut i remember using sometthing13:10
norayryes13:10
norayrthank you13:10
Stskeepspatronus: norayr: i recall that you might be able to do it with udev rules..13:10
eyea_UK_jolla )0!1@ joh13:10
Stskeepshttps://github.com/mer-qt/qtbase/tree/mer-stable/src/platformsupport/input/evdevkeyboard13:11
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mekluoh right, I installed zypper with pkcon13:12
mekluforgot about that :)13:13
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norayrmm i have xkeyboard-config installed13:14
norayrmay be if i find setxkbmap it'll work?13:14
Stskeepsdoesn't use xkbmaps i think on that level.. but i may be wrong13:15
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norayranyway no setxkbmap in repos, though many xkb related packages13:16
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norayrokay there is loadkeys utility13:23
AciidJolla bend test anyone?13:23
norayrand localectl list-keymaps, it has dvorak, but currently no armenian13:23
norayrlocalectl set-keymap, and loadkeys13:24
norayrbut loadkeys dvorak does not change anything though exists without error.13:24
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tadzikis there any advantage of sending my phone to care instead of cleaning the contacts myself?13:30
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Nicd-tadzik: not voiding the warranty13:33
tadzik...seriously? :o13:34
sharpneliWelcome to the modern world. Everything you do which is beyond skills of an elderly lady always voids the warranty.13:34
Nicd-well if you clean them yourself and break them by accident, you have voided your warranty13:34
AJAX555gosh why is jolla crashing so often13:35
norayrlocalectl set-x11-keymap "us(dvp),am" pc105 "" grp:alt_shift_toggle13:35
StskeepsAJAX555: define crash13:35
norayrdoes not work either13:35
Stskeepsnorayr: we don't have x1113:35
Stskeeps:P13:35
AJAX555Stskeeps: restarting the whole phone13:35
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StskeepsAJAX555: contact care13:35
norayryes but loadkeys don't work too13:35
AJAX555crashed more than 10 times today at work ;<13:35
norayrhttps://together.jolla.com/question/47060/bluetooth-keybord-compatibility-how-to-select-azerty-qwerty/13:46
norayrmay it be that if I create /etc/vconsole.conf (it's systemd keyboard config file which is read by systemd on start-up) the system won't boot?13:51
javispedroI doubt the console keymap alters the wayland one13:52
* javispedro is not very knowledgeable in the how wayland input+seats work yet13:53
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stephgwith different etiquette and potential misunderstanding14:25
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stephgignore me14:35
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inte`wow, just read that nokia suspends further development on HERE for Windows Phone in favor of iOS and Android15:27
inte`and hopefully SailfishOS :)15:27
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Teguinb4 it suspends sailfish15:27
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coderusMitakuuluu v0.8.9 released. CPU fastfix and more: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/v0.8.9 Check for updates https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu16:43
coderusinte`: idiots writes more every day16:44
coderusdid you believe everything?16:44
inte`i just saw it was corrected by pino at here16:44
inte`here on MS is licensed for 4 years at min16:44
inte`however, Nokia is rather focusing on iOS and Android now16:45
inte`and trying to delegate some WP-development to Microsoft16:45
inte`which makes sense, I guess, in termes of OS-integration16:45
inte`terms16:45
inte`however, microsoft might replace HERE with their own Bing maps sooner or later16:46
inte`you never know16:46
r0kk3rzi would expect MS to do just that16:49
r0kk3rzwhy licence a competitors product when you have your own16:50
r0kk3rzthats just stupid16:50
r0kk3rzin fact the only reason WP uses HERE is likely due to some prior agreement (you only sell WP and we'll use HERE)16:53
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matrixxQuick question: has android layer support for low energy bluetooth?17:40
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Andy80hi17:41
Andy80how can I double check that my battery isn't broken? I explain: today (after disabling completly Mitakuuluu, just to exclude any cpu bug) I used my Jolla normally (email reading, always connected to 4G, some message on gtalk etc...) the batter lasted about 7 hours. This is very poor duration... I had to go home just to recharge my battery. I really can't understand thoise people who claim to have 2 days duration when I can't go over 8 hours. Any17:43
Andy80 idea?17:43
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matrixxAndy80: sounds like it's faulty, I'm one of those who can get 2 days ;)17:45
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Andy80matrixx, not counting that today while I was just browsing my pictures it suddenly turned off (battery was at 35%)17:46
matrixxAndy80: that sounds of the same problem many has where battery is a bit too small for the compartment17:47
matrixxAndy80: have you already tried all those piece-of-paper tricks and such?17:47
Andy80matrixx, no I haven't tried yet because it rarely happens....17:50
r0kk3rzAndy80: upower -d from terminal17:50
Andy80matrixx, but if it was related to the battery duration as well, I could try right now17:50
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Andy80r0kk3rz, done... now?17:51
r0kk3rztheres a capacity stat17:51
Andy80r0kk3rz, 91% :(17:52
r0kk3rzthats not too bad17:52
r0kk3rzhow old is the phone?17:52
Andy80I bought since the beginning...17:55
Andy80one of the first here in UK17:55
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Andy80by the way.... this morning I burned 100%-->80% in less than 1 hour, mainly because of "contactsd" consuming lot of CPU.17:56
r0kk3rzrunning system monitor?17:56
Andy80today I tried to give a look sometimes... both using "top" and "lighthouse", but I never saw any particular process consuming more than 5-10% of the CPU17:57
Andy80r0kk3rz, yes... I use system monitor....17:57
Andy80oh gosh... don't tell me it burns battery -.-17:57
r0kk3rznah it doesnt17:57
r0kk3rzit does however have a battery and CPU graph17:57
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r0kk3rzso if you're phone is never sleeping due to something smashing the cpu, you can tell17:58
Andy80I don't remember how to capture a screenshot... but I'm happy to send you the image if you want17:59
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r0kk3rzdont need a screenshot17:59
r0kk3rzbut if the CPU graph is spending lots of time above 25%17:59
r0kk3rzthen its probably a rogue process thats your problem18:00
Andy80the average is 25% I would say....18:00
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r0kk3rzthats a little high18:01
r0kk3rzmine is probably more like 10%18:01
r0kk3rzand im currently sitting at 83% charge after taking it off mains at 1pm ism18:02
r0kk3rz*ish18:02
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Andy80r0kk3rz, http://1drv.ms/1t0cB1x this is the graph18:03
Andy80sorry for the image18:03
r0kk3rzi think you can install powertop on the Jolla18:03
r0kk3rzwhich will rank running processes to battery consumption18:03
Andy80I really need to run right now (I just came home 1 hour to recharge battery a bit), but I will continue this tomorrow. If you are around I can ping you ? :)18:04
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r0kk3rzi'm flying to amsterdam, but others will be here18:04
Andy80r0kk3rz, have a nice flight and thank for now :)18:05
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Morpog_PC__btw Andy80 there is an update for Mitakuuluu which fixes cpu bug (hopefully)18:46
Morpog_PC__came out today18:47
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mekluha: https://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2014/mfsa2014-73.html20:14
mekluall the ssl implementations this year have had severe vulns20:14
meklugreat.20:14
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keithzgaha, I was wondering why an update for nscd came down today.20:22
keithzg(on the servers I sysadmin, that is)20:22
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kimmolinow if only the gpio67 would be able to wakeup...22:25
javispedroit isn't? :(22:26
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