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| Nickleu | have you guys heard about the freaking "bash bug"? is jolla involved? | 01:36 |
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| Oni^ | didn't only owrked of you had dhcp and apache? | 01:38 |
| ninnnu | No | 01:39 |
| Nickleu | oh so jolla is safe | 01:39 |
| ninnnu | No it isn't | 01:39 |
| ninnnu | Jolla most likely carries vulnerable shell | 01:39 |
| ninnnu | So if there's anything that calls the shell (and there most likely is), it's exploitable | 01:40 |
| ninnnu | For example, Jolla uses DHCP every time it connects to a network. But I don't know if shell is involved in the process | 01:41 |
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| Nickleu | jolla is shipped with bash 3.2.5 | 01:44 |
| ninnnu | Yeah, it's vulnerable | 01:46 |
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| Teme | did i understand correctly that a vulnerable shell by itself is not an attack surface? | 06:54 |
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| Teme | that there would have to be CGI scripts running | 06:54 |
| meklu | preetty much | 06:54 |
| meklu | something needs to interact with the shell | 06:55 |
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| Nightmare__ | or a ssh connection | 06:57 |
| meklu | or you know, just spawn a shell | 06:58 |
| meklu | with some way to put an arbitrary value in *any* environment variable | 06:59 |
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| pcfe | meklu: like an DHCP server for example ;-) BUt will need to check my Jolla when I am home again, with some luck it does not use dhclient or at least does not have bash | 08:27 |
| pcfe | at the moment it is luckily at homem and off, so I can rest easy and my N9 has no bash (pure luck I never added one) | 08:28 |
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| Sail0r | it does not look like jolla uses dhclient | 08:34 |
| * mcfrisk impressed a googler friend with jolla when using scp to copy stuff to the phone and then using tar on console to unpack, though lack of less was a bit embarassing with tar -ztvf... | 08:35 | |
| pcfe | Sail0r: thx, that is good news | 08:36 |
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| Sail0r | I wonder if there will be TOHs with real functions anytime soon from Jolla | 09:04 |
| ggabriel | i'll be in need of a spare battery soon though :) | 09:05 |
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| Sail0r | I need a spare the first one shirt ^^ | 09:16 |
| Sail0r | because the printing is wearing off | 09:16 |
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| pcfe | is their plan not for 3rd parties to make more TOH? | 09:26 |
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| pcfe | I, for one, would rather the Jolla people concentrate on the next device. Plus I am very very hapy all the specs are open to make TOH, nearly no vendor does that | 09:27 |
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| Sail0r | pcfe: but the next phone must be fully compatible to this toh | 09:37 |
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| pcfe | Sail0r: personal preference, I can understand you'd want that, I personally would actually welcome a N9 sized Jolla | 09:49 |
| javispedro | since the trend is towards absurdly large I personally'd prefer them to commit to the TOH size | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | tbh smaller displays are more expensive today | 09:50 |
| Sail0r | I would like to reuse all the genius community made TOHs | 09:50 |
| pcfe | and maybe some would prefer the next Jolla to be even bigger | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | because of scale/volumes | 09:50 |
| javispedro | at least it's kind of a guarantee the jolla2 won't be some 6' monster =) | 09:50 |
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| pcfe | heh, I'm not gonna kid myself, no matter what size it is I will get one because it is an open device. BUT at the moment I actually carry my N9 because of form factor | 09:51 |
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| pcfe | (probably because I also carry a 10" tablet) | 09:51 |
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| chem|st | pcfe: hey ;) and a +1 | 10:33 |
| chem|st | I'd really like to have it 50% thicker with integrated keyboard... | 10:34 |
| chem|st | same TOH... | 10:34 |
| chem|st | and new toh with integrated qi as you cannot fit any qi-receiver underneath the current tohs | 10:35 |
| pcfe | hey chem|st | 10:36 |
| chem|st | pcfe: how are you doing (or better what are you doing currently) | 10:36 |
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| pcfe | chem|st: if someone brought out a kbd TOH at < 200 € I'd buy one for each Jolla generation ;-) | 10:36 |
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| pcfe | chem|st: as to Qi, still waiting for the market to clean up, but hope that will be soon, it's not so much the charging at home, it's the charging on the road | 10:37 |
| chem|st | pcfe: the "finn's design" might look good (perspective) but the engineering part is pretty bollocks | 10:37 |
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| pcfe | chem|st: a customer in Liechtenstein, decent people, they let me work from home one week in four (very rare for IT slaves^wwhores^wconsultants ;-) | 10:38 |
| chem|st | pcfe: I bought a qi-transmitter DIY kit on amazon for 4eur - if I get a qi-receiver attached to the jolla I will mount that transmitter to my carmount | 10:38 |
| chem|st | pcfe: neat, that is indeed rare if not basic software development | 10:39 |
| pcfe | chem|st: was there not a report on the forum where someone did just that with his white TOH? | 10:39 |
| chem|st | pcfe: I am close to drill one of the 30eur pieces down (from frustration) | 10:40 |
| pcfe | chem|st: I have 3 TOH at the moment, I trust you have two, no? | 10:41 |
| chem|st | I have the slimmest qi-receiver ever and that does not even fit properly when applied to the gap at the sd-sim-slots | 10:41 |
| chem|st | pcfe: I have 4 | 10:41 |
| pcfe | chem|st: IIRC it the posting spoke about a wee bit of dremeling the TOH | 10:42 |
| pcfe | and with 4 you do have the possibility to have a fuckup^wtrial run ;-) | 10:42 |
| chem|st | the wee bit is quiet a lot | 10:42 |
| pcfe | ah, scheisse | 10:42 |
| pcfe | sorry, languagem I meant "oh shit" | 10:42 |
| chem|st | I want to attach the qi-sticker to the phone, so I need to drill down all tohs... | 10:43 |
| pcfe | any 3D printer near your locatin for some trial prints of a slightly thicker TOH? | 10:44 |
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| Teme | pcfe: was it not estimated at 130€, the upcoming kbtoh? | 10:46 |
| Teme | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93156 | 10:46 |
| pcfe | Teme: must admit that work kept me busy enough that I did very very little reading onf TMO | 10:47 |
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| Teme | catch up on this thread then... it might interest you :) | 10:48 |
| pcfe | Teme: yeah just started reading. at 130€ I'm definitely game | 10:48 |
| pcfe | ah cool, the funky people that also made the disc Stu TOH | 10:49 |
| chem|st | printers arent operational atm, I thought of buying one though | 10:52 |
| r0kk3rz_ | tampere hackspace has stl files to suit qi pads and electronics | 10:53 |
| r0kk3rz_ | but sucks you cant do it with the stock cover | 10:55 |
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| chem|st | engineering at its best... most available qi-stickers are 5V/GND and not GND/5V - and even bent to any extend to fit does not work as the connectors are different to all others in use | 10:57 |
| r0kk3rz_ | yeah that is a bit of a fail really | 11:02 |
| r0kk3rz_ | not hard to make an adaptor board. but likely couldve been standardised | 11:03 |
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| chem|st | everything available to "normal" people is to thick to fit underneath, I do not have printable circuit boards available | 11:06 |
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| chem|st | so currently I am pretty disappointed from hardware and software, hardware won't change but software might get to _stable_ some day | 11:13 |
| AL13N_work | can we have a bash fix with the next update? | 11:14 |
| AL13N_work | and a complete one, plz? | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | we're working on it, but the @$%@%@%@ patches keep on coming | 11:14 |
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| meklu | how many patches have there been for that? | 11:17 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: security patches should just be pushed to users, not wait for a "release" | 11:17 |
| meklu | I've only seen one out-of-tree one land in portage | 11:18 |
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| Stskeeps | meklu: i think we're up at 2 with one more 'coming'.. | 11:18 |
| meklu | chem|st: untested security patches can have even worse effects | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: QA effort will be the same at the moment. | 11:18 |
| meklu | the 'easiest' would maybe involve just disabling the feature | 11:19 |
| meklu | but that would impair functionality that maybe 3‰ of bash users have ever even heard of before this incident | 11:19 |
| meklu | I don't really get why you'd ever want a function in an environment variable | 11:20 |
| Acce | people in this world want weird things in weird places | 11:22 |
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| chem|st | meklu: sure, but I do not consider anything in "all" major gnu/linux distributions as untested | 11:24 |
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| meklu | chem|st: fair enough | 11:34 |
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| Swan_Z | 05101532 | 11:36 |
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| meklu | that was certainly interesting | 11:44 |
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| pcfe | Stskeeps: 4 in total, although the first two are what I care most about. CVE-2014-6271, CVE-2014-7169, CVE-2014-7186 and CVE-2014-7187 | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | are we at 4 patches now? | 13:22 |
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| chem|st | last night got heavy, when I went to bed it was 3 and upcoming | 13:22 |
| pcfe | well 4 CVEs, not sure how many patches it was broken into | 13:23 |
| pcfe | I find https://securityblog.redhat.com/ to be a good source of info for shellshock, but then again I am biased ;-) (look at my cloak) | 13:24 |
| pcfe | Stskeeps: if indeed dhclient not used on Jolla, then we can wait a couple days | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sure there'll be more crap found.. :( | 13:25 |
| meklu | connman has its own dhcp thing I think | 13:25 |
| meklu | and it has its own DNS proxy | 13:25 |
| meklu | which I disabled on my desktop, because I'm running unbound anyway | 13:26 |
| pcfe | Stskeeps: prolly, but it seems the worst ones are found now | 13:26 |
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| * phdeswer confirms connman has its own dhcp thing | 13:34 | |
| zumbi | it also has its own ntp thing? :) | 13:35 |
| zumbi | connman is pretty cool | 13:35 |
| clau | soon you will be able to make a full linux distro with systemd and connman alone | 13:36 |
| meklu | soon connman will have its own systemd | 13:37 |
| meklu | and gentoo will fork it to esystemd so they can have a non-connman systemd | 13:37 |
| Teme | hmm, if you have a timer running and are making a phone call while it triggers, there is absolutely no notification during or after the call | 13:38 |
| Teme | intednded? | 13:38 |
| Teme | someone will end up burning their house or something ;) | 13:38 |
| faenil | Teme: I don't think it's intended :D | 13:38 |
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| Teme | well, i have to verify this when i get off of work but i am quite sure that just happened | 13:41 |
| Teme | or the alarm didn't happen | 13:41 |
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| clau | is anyone using the Android Spotify client on Jolla? I'm curious what the battery impact is. | 14:34 |
| ninnnu | Surprisingly low | 14:34 |
| ninnnu | Can't give exact numbers, but it can easily go for hours | 14:35 |
| clau | thanks | 14:36 |
| Teme | hmm, i tried to install adblock plus for android on Jolla | 14:37 |
| Teme | seems that it can only block when using Wifi, under android you need to have a rooted device to make it block on package data | 14:38 |
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| Teme | i guess the is not empowered enough on Jolla ;) | 14:38 |
| pdanek1 | How to listen to attachments on Jolla? | 14:38 |
| pdanek1 | Sometimes my voicemail is sent to me directly as attachment, in MMS I guess. | 14:39 |
| Teme | hmm, i never received MMS with audio | 14:40 |
| pdanek1 | Stskeeps: Do you use Play? | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | i do | 14:41 |
| pdanek1 | If someone leaves you a voicemail. | 14:41 |
| pdanek1 | Sometimes I can call to hear it. | 14:41 |
| pdanek1 | But sometimes I receive like attachment with the voice mail. | 14:41 |
| pdanek1 | Lite Poczta Glosowa. | 14:42 |
| pdanek1 | How do I play it on Sailfish? | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't tried that.. but ask me on monday and i can try to replicate | 14:43 |
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| lsme | Hello! Is there any discount code known working at the moment for Jolla? I checked twitter and some sites, but nothing | 15:15 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | i don't think so | 15:26 |
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| lsme | Has it been £349 for long or is that a recent lowered price? | 15:36 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | about two months or so | 15:42 |
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| kimmoli | Asking here too - Anyone recognize symptoms: "frequent green flashes with screen blank after the initial boot sequence. " | 16:51 |
| kimmoli | ? | 16:51 |
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| Stskeeps | kimmoli: that sounds like some of the u8 bugs.. very much less in u9 i hope | 16:55 |
| kimmoli | any workarounds, except factory reset? Phone is not booting up.. | 16:56 |
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| spiiroin | kimmoli: lipstick repeatedly restarting would look like that | 17:50 |
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| kimmoli | spiiroin: ok, i dont know does it have anything to do with my diptoh-daemon update... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1440656#post1440656 | 17:52 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: go to chroot in shell mode and disable autostarts you enabled | 19:35 |
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