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tmynttinhaa anyone been able to unban themselves after the mitakuuluu ban?06:12
tmynttinhas*06:12
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coderustmynttin: the only you need is to use email from android application06:26
tmynttincoderus: how quickly do they react?06:31
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coderus2-3 working days09:53
coderustmynttin: ^09:53
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tmynttinok...09:58
coderusbut probably this month they have a lot of reports because of mitakuuluu and it can take longer :D09:59
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* Morpog_PC__ wonders if the tohkbd kickstarter got abonded as the page vanished10:33
StskeepsO_o10:33
Morpog_PC__kimmoli, any insights? :D10:33
Stskeepsi thought it was a preview anyway10:33
Nicd-Morpog_PC__: it was a draft, I assume they are working out the details10:34
Stskeepslike not the factual page yet10:34
kimmoliyes10:34
kimmolidraft, KS is now analyzing it is it worth a project10:34
Morpog_PC__ok, hopefully they will, they got some strange decissions lately10:34
kimmoliaa, you mean quitting that deathstar project?10:35
Morpog_PC__lol10:35
Morpog_PC__no, that anonbox and the followup project10:35
cb400fdoes anyone know if tohkbd can/will inhibit the on-screen keyboard?10:35
Nicd-but I'm glad the potato salad project was approved10:35
Morpog_PC__cb400f, I think there was a patch for old tohkbd10:36
kimmolirtfm, faq. it will atleast minimize it as small as we can10:36
* Morpog_PC__ hopes for a Jolla sailor that buys it and does an insider patch :D10:36
kimmolii have that jolla tohkbd (rev1) here for repair...10:37
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mornfallhttp://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/10/31/2035220/qualcomm-begins-contributing-to-reverse-engineered-freedreno-linux-driver10:59
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Stskeepsperhaps an avenue to get into upstream kernel.10:59
mornfallmaybe... I'd totally approve of a hybris-free jolla ;-)11:01
AL13Nit's a start11:02
Stskeepsyou'll also need hwcomposer too, though11:02
AL13Nis this the hardware that's on our SoC?11:02
AL13Nor is it different hardware?11:03
mornfallwhat's hwcomposer?11:03
Stskeepsit's a thing for layering gpu buffers and such11:03
mornfallAL13N: your soc was already supported by freedreno before qualcomm stepped in11:03
Stskeepson screen11:03
AL13Nmornfall: but not completely, right?11:03
mornfallquite completely actually11:04
mornfallas far as I know, anyway11:04
AL13Nhuh... then why aren't we using this?11:04
mornfallcoz...11:04
mornfallwell, you need to update the wlan driver together11:04
mornfallit needs *much* newer linux11:05
mornfallthan what we currently run11:05
AL13Nisn't the wlan driver on the SoC too?11:05
mornfallhttps://together.jolla.com/question/43043/updated-system-components-kernel-systemd-connman/11:05
mornfallAL13N: freedreno is only the GPU driver11:05
mornfallAL13N: there's an OSS driver for the wlan too, though11:06
AL13Nwell, that's what i meant by that the SoC isn't completely supported in OSS11:06
mornfall3.4 is positively ancient11:06
AL13Nsure, but if all the SoC would be supported in open source in newer kernels, i suppose it would be a good idea... except11:06
AL13Nwhat about all the other parts where there isn't a OSS driver?11:07
mornfallon paper, you could run 3.12+ with OSS drivers on the SoC that we have11:07
mornfallwhich parts?11:07
AL13Nwouldn you lose the modem, for instance?11:07
mornfallmodem is userspace11:07
AL13Ni mean, if it all were perfectly possible, i'm sure it'd been done before11:08
mornfallwhy? :-)11:08
AL13Nfor instance, i heard quite some time ago that ppl couldn't get the OSS wlan driver to work11:09
mornfalllast update to the git was 25 hours ago, apparently by qualcomm11:10
mornfallit should definitely be feasible to make it work11:10
AL13Nwhat i mean is; you would like a 3.12+ kernel... if it were easily doable, you'd have done so by now11:11
mornfallAL13N: ah11:11
AL13Nwhat i want to know is, where is the catch?11:11
mornfallthat's horseshit you know :)11:11
mornfallI don't have a serial console on the phone11:11
mornfallso one misstep and the phone is dead forever11:11
AL13Ntrue that11:11
mornfalljolla doesn't give us any tools11:11
AL13Nis there a serial console? i haven't seen any pins11:12
mornfallso we have to wait for them to do it11:12
mornfallthere must be at least a way to flash the bootloader11:12
AL13Nic11:12
mornfallthe recovery mode we have relies on boot working, AFAIR11:12
AL13Nyou'd have to ship it back for reflash all the time11:12
mornfallyes11:13
mornfallshipping the device across europe a dozen times is not going to be cheap, eihter in time nor money... not feasible at all11:14
Stskeepsthere's serial but it's unreachable for layfolk11:15
mornfallso we have to sit and wait :-)11:15
mornfallmay jolla have mercy :P11:15
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AL13Nbtw: since you guys know stuff around a kernel... i got a machine with a 3.14 which is losing memory, and noone seems to be able to help me out... or even tell me how i can debug it...: http://serverfault.com/questions/616856/where-did-my-memory-go-on-linux-no-cache-slab-shm-ipcs11:22
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StskeepsAL13N: consider looking into sp_smaps_snapshot and sp_smaps_analyze11:24
Stskeepswe use that a lot11:24
Stskeepsand perhaps endurance reports11:25
Stskeepscan reveal quite a lot11:25
Stskeeps(sp-endurance)11:25
pp_ /proc/slabinfo too? (Tho I suppose it won't show up there since the total is so low)11:25
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claucoderus: any idea why accounts are still blocked with the latest version of mitakuuluu? is there something we can avoid doing?14:03
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Anz_clau: did you contact whatsapp?14:30
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AL13Nhmm, on a fingerterm, suddenly the keys stopped vibrating14:31
AL13Nanyone know what to do with that?14:32
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clauAnz_: yes, first via email, then via official wa client. I got a reply to uninstall the client and get the right one from their site, and then contact them again.14:33
clauit's pretty much a drone type of answer.14:33
AL13NStskeeps: i'm gonna go look into those things...14:34
AL13Npp_: yeah, it's not slab... slab is too low to be several GB's of ram14:34
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YanielAL13N: they also get stuck someeeeeeeeeeeeeeetimes14:38
AL13Nin vibrate you mean? or in non-vibrate?14:39
Yanielno, as in input14:40
Yanielvibration works normally here14:40
Yanielbut sometimes they seem to miss the keyup event or something14:40
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clauAnz_: the problem is that people are reporting having accounts banned even with the latest version14:44
AL13Nbtw: the dude who wrote the bash reader is, it's all nice, but voting only works once / page, so i don't know which one of the page it actually upvotes...14:44
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clauAnz_: hopefully it's just some sort of postprocessing of logs, and the bans are not a result of other issues in mitakuuluu14:45
claupostprocessing on wa side, I mean.14:46
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Anz_clau: Use of third party clients is stil a violention of terms. So no matter what Mitäkuuluu does, it doesn't eliminate the risk of ban?14:51
clauthat is correct14:52
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clauunless there's an agreement between jolla or coderus and wa.14:52
clauit may still work for a while if the protocol is updated in mitakuuluu to match the latest14:53
clauhowever, sooner or later wa will add quirks to it to detect unofficial clients14:54
claumy hope for mitakuuluu is that the backend will be changed to support other protocols, for instance telegram and xmpp.14:57
clauit would be a shame to lose it. coderus has done a great job with it.14:58
Yanielit's been awfully laggy in uitukka14:58
clausmall issues, IMO.14:59
clauhere's an idea: jolla talks to wa, makes a deal to be allowed to implement the protocol. jolla hires coderus to develop and maintain it :)15:01
Yanielthat would be nice15:06
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Kiranosthere is an site to post an url from google play to download the apk, anyone know the site and its name?15:52
coderusclau: the only you can do now is using android whatsapp really15:53
coderuscurrently i'm making harmattan whatsapp, will return to mitakuuluu later15:54
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minimecKiranos: Hi... http://apps.evozi.com/apk-downloader/?id=com.whatsapp15:55
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Kiranosminimec: thanks!15:58
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Kiranosugh the app I wanted need google market services, that not possible right?16:13
attahKiranos:  had it before.. bit i think i broke it recently16:14
Kiranosok alot of "ugly" hacking to get it in?16:15
attahso unless the update i got is somehow mandatory and has no workarounds it is possible16:15
attahnope16:15
attahjust unpack and rsync to where the stuff should be and reboot.. that's it if i remember correctly16:16
Kiranosoh that doesnt sound to bad16:16
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Kiranosattah: https://together.jolla.com/question/5771/google-play-services/ that sounds to good to be true :)16:20
attahnot the way i did it.. i got play and the whole shebang.. but feedback looks like it works16:21
attahhttps://together.jolla.com/question/30926/howto-install-google-play/16:22
attahthat looks familiar16:22
Kiranosok thanks I'll test this first, its not the latest google services but might work16:23
attahalthough i think you are better of with the one you found.. this one gives outdated services16:23
KiranosI'll see now16:24
Kiranosgot it to work but a warning that some services doesnt support my device, but it started ok16:24
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AL13NStskeeps: hmm, those tools are looking into the regular programs...17:15
AL13NStskeeps: problem is that RSS is still low, so i think it's kernel level17:15
AL13Ni would like to know which module is requesting all that memory17:15
AL13Nthough kmemleak didn't show anything17:15
StskeepsAL13N: endurance looks into a lot more17:16
AL13Ni found some endurance stiff in taht directory, but not sp-endurance itself17:16
AL13Nendurance_report.py though17:17
AL13Nparse-endurance-measurements17:17
AL13Nsave-incremental-endurance-stats17:17
AL13Nsplit-endurance-measurements17:17
AL13Nendurance-mem-overview17:18
Stskeepsendurance-snapshot, endurance-report, endurance-plot17:19
Stskeepsgithub.com/mer-qa/17:19
AL13Naha17:19
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attah'mer-qa, f**k yeah17:43
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Stskeeps(we do a surprisingily lot of qa work..)17:44
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attahwell, the result does seem to suggest it's pretty stringent :)17:46
Stskeepshttp://monster.tspre.org/~carsten/endu-2/ is an ancient report that is collected daily from developer/tester devices17:47
Stskeepsof endurance17:47
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Morpog_PC__kiranos, once you got the play store and gms installed from there, you can update to the latest versions18:58
Morpog_PC__I got latest play store with material design here18:58
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