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entilcoderus: around? I hear that more people have been blocked by whatsapp, even though their clients have been up to date.. what's the status? :S09:08
entilI got a reply from their support that I'm using an unauthorized client, I must contact them again from a supported client and they will not follow up on my email :/09:09
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kimmolikjokinie: could toh_cfg_show (in toh.c) return config_data so that it doesn't end to null-data? now it uses snprintf() and if eeprom has 00 it will break. (i tought this is binary data, but now it is a string)09:18
coderusentil: always here :)09:22
coderushttps://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/issues/27809:22
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entilcoderus: it's a bit scary ;P09:24
entilcoderus: they probably changed the protocol again just to stay ahead09:26
entilcoderus: how do you know when the protocol changes?09:26
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Yanielcoderus: care to fix the title of that issue? it's missing a get/got09:31
entilhehe, I didn't even pick up on that09:31
entilposted a comment on the issue09:32
coderusentil: its not scary09:33
coderusjust install K-909:33
coderusand send email from android application09:33
entilcoderus: the scary part is that someone got blocked with the latest version.. how is that possible?09:33
coderusentil: i always have latest android apk hacked :)09:34
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entilsweet ;)09:34
coderusentil: i just had not enough time to keep it up-to date09:34
entilcoderus: sure, but did the protocol change after 0.8.15 again? see claralap's comment on github09:34
coderusentil: no, i just didnt fixed it properly in mitakuuluu09:36
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entilcoderus: but is 0.8.15-4 a proper fix and claralap using an old version?09:37
r0kk3rzneeds to go through the usual pattern first09:38
r0kk3rzfix, proper fix, really proper fix, really really fixed this time09:39
entilI'm just asking about whether or not the latest released whatsapp is "really really fixed this time" :P09:39
entils/whatsapp/mitakuuluu/ sorry!09:39
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coderusentil: well, i never was banned myself09:42
r0kk3rzi never got banned either09:42
Nicd-I haven't been banned yet either09:42
entilcoderus: so you just avoided the protocol calls that you didn't fix properly the first time?09:43
Nicd-so I'm not gonna touch my mitäkuuluu :D09:43
coderuscurrently i'm working on N9 whatsapp cclient09:43
coderusif i'll receive more blocking reports on 0.8.15 i'll just remove it from openrepos again, for a while09:43
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entilcoderus: or do you not know what you didn't implement properly?09:47
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r0kk3rzonly time will tell entil09:50
entilr0kk3rz: do you represent the entire guild in this matter? :P09:51
r0kk3rzyes09:51
Shinryuumhh, android apps refuses to start what kind of sorcery is this?09:53
tadzikthey do that sometimes09:54
coderusentil: in mitakuuluu - currently not09:54
entilShinryuu: it is the weirding way09:54
tadzikthey also started acting funny to me in the opt-in update09:54
coderusdidnt checked its code for a while09:54
tadzikstill, no regrets09:54
entilcoderus: ok, thanks09:54
Shinryuuhehe09:54
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r0kk3rzi wonder how well the jolla fire sale went11:46
r0kk3rzi mean, the 100e discount11:47
Stskeepshttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Operation_Upshot-Knothole_-_Badger_001.jpg ?11:47
Stskeepsno clue though, not in sales11:48
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r0kk3rzyeah fair enough11:56
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tadzikis it over already?12:27
tadzikor works until today included12:27
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r0kk3rzno idea12:29
r0kk3rzbut its about to be over12:29
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fluxfunny how everything but keira black toh, aloe toh and the phone is out of stock in the jolla store12:37
tadzikis there anything else? :D12:37
fluxgood point, but there are at least some lastu cases and protective films12:38
r0kk3rzblack is fairly boring12:38
r0kk3rzand aloe is probably the least favoured colour since they're giving it away in the 100e discount deal12:38
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tadzikya12:42
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r0kk3rzdoes make you wonder whether demand has outstripped supply, or something else is going on12:45
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krnlynghi, what does it mean if the led is light blue and blinking? (it's not blue as in sms/im notification) also i cannot wake it up neither via doubletap nor the power button. i am logged in via ssh and i can execute commands just fine12:52
r0kk3rzwaylands crashed i think12:53
r0kk3rzor lipstick12:53
r0kk3rznormally it flashes quickly then lipstick restarts12:54
coderushttps://together.jolla.com/question/30230/wiki-meanings-of-notification-led-blink-codes/12:54
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krnlyngcoderus: yeah i saw that, but it didn't say what light blue + blining means12:59
Bawali think sometimes the light goes a bit wild, as in it blends the colors of multiple notifications13:02
Bawalyou know, if you get both a sms and an unanswered call, sometimes the light is neither green or blue13:02
Bawalbut something in between13:02
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gogetajolla store give out an error13:05
gogetawho can help me13:05
gogetafine13:07
gogetacybette, someone used my discount code13:07
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coderuskrnlyng: http://paste.ubuntu.com/878877413:18
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Shinryuucan't figure out why android apps stopped working on uitukka, I tried to remove android support and cache files etc. but no success yet15:45
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TMavicastart the service15:46
Shinryuualiendalvik.service? it's up and running according to systemctl15:48
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coderusShinryuu: check journal17:00
Shinryuuwill do17:00
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Kabouik_Does anyone know where gPodder stores the downloaded podcasts please? I can't find them17:18
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coderusthp: ^17:42
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pdanekDid any of you with banned WhatsApp managed to get it unbanned?17:43
pdanekI contacted support, but no answer so far.17:43
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pdanekAlso, is it safe to use Mitakuuluu? I'm almost sure the ban was because of unofficial client.17:44
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pdanekBtw, I was banned with latest version of Mitakuuluu.17:44
okuI'm still unbanned :)17:46
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sippisstill using uitukka and latest version of mitakuuluu and not banned :O17:46
pdanekIs it worth updating to uitukka?17:47
pdanekOr should I just wait for official update?17:48
okuI don't know wheter it matters or not, but I had my account first registered via an official app. Three of my friends are banned right now and at least one of them first registered via mitäkuuluu.17:48
pdanekOr, by the time when we will have official, there will be even newer opt-in update?17:48
pdanekoku: I registered via official client, so it probably doesn't matter17:48
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okuok. I was just guessing, but that proved me wrong17:49
okuhopefully it will be fixed17:50
pdanekhttp://www.whatsapp.com/faq/en/general/2315426617:50
okuultimate solution would be adopting better and open instant messaging system17:50
pdanekI'm getting this exact message in official now, one of possible listed reasons is: Using an automated system or an unauthorized / unofficial client application to send messages through WhatsApp.17:50
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pdanekoku: that ultimate solution doesn't depend on me, but on people I'm in touch with17:51
okupdanek: I have the exact same problem17:51
okuIf it only depended on me, we would everyone be on IRC ;)17:51
pdanekwell17:51
pdanekI'm also into privacy and shit17:51
pdanekand for personal messaging, IRC isn't the best choice17:52
pdanek#tox is good, but in early development17:52
pdanekbut pretty functional already17:52
okuit needs to be multi platform, secure and _easy_ for _everyone_, not just us nerds17:53
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pdanektox is just that17:53
pdanekor, aiming to be17:53
okupdanek: yeah, the aim is nice, but sadly it's not there yet17:53
Jarei was banned from wa on friday and i sent them a support request early yesterday - no answer so far17:53
okuI think at the moment tox is the most interesting one17:54
pdanekJare:  I was banned about Thursday I think17:54
Jarewell it was thu-fri night actually17:54
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pdanekoku: definitely, it's quite functional already17:54
pdanekI think this ban was some mass check.17:55
pdanekBecause so many Sailors got banned at the same time.17:55
okuit could be17:55
pdanekMitakuuluu is still superior to official WA for me, but I'm a bit worried to continue using it.17:55
okuthat's the problem with corporate closed source instant messaging17:55
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okuyeah, the official one isn't too impressing17:57
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okuI'm still using mitäkuuluu like before (until they ban me).. Then I'll search for something else17:58
okuActually whatsapp banning people could be even nice for me. I'm not too keen on whatsapp and three of my friends have already been banned17:59
okuSo it could be a nice point for my friend zone to migrate to something better ;)17:59
oku...if there is something readily available18:00
kaaritelegram?18:00
okumaybe that one18:00
okuthe problem is that nothing that's ready for now isn't actually great on every aspect18:01
kaariyes, for now it seems that whatsapp is default. But hopin for something better.18:01
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r0kk3rzwith a bit of luck something might become of specials ricochet18:07
r0kk3rzi think hes got grand designs for it, but if im reading the github correctly it sounds like hes re-doing the protocol18:08
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kaarii found bug that sound strange. I'm lisening music with media player and using gps to track where I'm, pushing rockin buttons make map application to perform, not musicplayer. tried with jolla's mp and spotify for jolla.18:26
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kaariand it does it in homescreen also.18:28
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r0kk3rzsome apps hijack the volume buttons18:36
coderusakki didnt understand anything from your message18:36
r0kk3rzits not really a bug as such18:36
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coderusanyone?18:36
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entilI think textsecure would be nice but there's absolutely nothing for the jolla with that18:58
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r0kk3rzentil: no, but if whatsapp decide to make mitakuuluu useless19:14
r0kk3rzwe have a decent messaging client in need of a protocol19:14
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coderusalso i have news for you19:15
coderuswhatsapp now using ciphertext and end-to-end decryption19:16
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coderusencryption :)19:16
r0kk3rzend to end decryption, thats impressive19:16
coderus:D19:17
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r0kk3rznever again will i have to decipher drunk messages19:17
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r0kk3rzbut thats a surprisingly smart move from a company who makes money off peoples information19:18
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coderusand whatsapp will have voip calls *soon*19:20
coderusfunctions are already here19:20
coderuswe still hacking protocol and etc :)19:20
r0kk3rzsounds cool19:21
cryoratr0kk3rz, did you hear about tox?  If whatsapp make mitakuuluu useless, we could use that. :)19:27
r0kk3rzid still wait for special to finish the ricochet protocol19:28
r0kk3rzbut he'll make a sailfish client eventually anyway19:29
pdanektox Sailfish client would be really good19:41
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Nicd-seconded19:42
Nicd-if whatsapp bans me because of mitakuuluu, it's over19:42
pdanekNicd: well, it's pretty sure that all those bans that Sailors received last week, were because of mitakuuluu :)19:43
pdanekor, because of 3rd party client, to be specific19:43
pdanekand you can't blaim WhatsApp, because they have it in the agreement19:44
lokimotivericochet sounds promising i just it'll deliver19:45
lokimotives/just/just hope/19:45
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mornfalldunno19:50
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AsimovI am banned on WhatsApp too ._.19:50
mornfallricochet for sailfish sounds unlikely19:50
mornfallhttps://github.com/ricochet-im/ricochet/issues/11019:51
mornfalland honestly, a standalone app for IM on sailfish would just suck19:52
AsimovYep19:52
AsimovSo I moved my SIM to an Android device. WhatsApp has now started noticing whether you're using a custom ROM or not too.19:52
mornfall(but then, it'd mostly suck on any platform anyway...)19:53
mornfalland well19:53
mornfalladoption for tox and ricochet combined probably won't exceed a vanishing quantity19:53
AardAsimov: so whatsapp kicks you out for running whatsapp on a custom rom?19:54
Stskeepswell, telegram got quite a surge suddenly in korea or how was it?19:54
Stskeepshttp://www.dw.de/south-koreans-boycott-messaging-app-kakao-talk-en-masse-for-telegram/a-1798198319:54
Nicd-mornfall: I'm happy if I can get my wife to use it19:54
AsimovNo Aard, pops up a message saying custom roms are unsupported.19:55
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Shinryuuandroid version of whatsapp is unusable :/19:55
AsimovI am assuming they'll start banning people if they use WA on Roms too now.19:55
Shinryuualso it's hard to convert my friends to use anything else19:55
Shinryuuthat's getting better and better19:55
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w00tShinryuu: get better friends ;)19:56
ShinryuuI prefer being alone19:56
AardShinryuu: wow, me too! should we be friends?19:56
Shinryuu!!19:56
Merbot`Shinryuu: Error: "!" is not a valid command.19:56
mornfallStskeeps: well, telegram has end-to-end encryption only on special “secret” chats... i.e. not by default19:56
mornfalleverything else is stored in the cloud19:57
mornfallof course you *could* have end-to-end encryption *and* store the messages in the cloud19:58
r0kk3rzmornfall: ricochet developer special is an ex jolla Sailor afaik19:59
mornfallbut then, the owner of the cloud wouldn't see the messages :-)19:59
Stskeepsand business model is gone..19:59
mornfallsomething like that, yeah19:59
mornfallr0kk3rz: see the above github issue though19:59
mornfallr0kk3rz: no telepathy means no native integration in sailfish19:59
r0kk3rzyeah20:00
mornfallr0kk3rz: even if special makes a special ricochet app ...20:00
r0kk3rzwell, he said he wouldnt do it20:00
r0kk3rzbut nothing stopping someone from writing a telepathy plugin20:00
mornfallsure20:00
specialit's not ideal for general purpose mobile messaging anyway, imo.20:00
mornfallnothing is ideal20:00
mornfallfor a libpurple-supported protocol, I could convert half a dozen people in my social circle... for a standalone IM app, approximately zero20:02
r0kk3rzinteresting idea from the koreans though20:02
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r0kk3rzorganise a mass switch on a particular date20:02
specialintegrating OTR in sailfish would be a good step20:03
specialintegrating something compatible with textsecure would be even cooler20:03
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AsimovYep20:03
Asimovimo XMPP + OTR is a decent middle ground20:04
mornfallI'm not a big fan of OTR, actually...20:04
mornfallit solves the wrong problem20:04
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AsimovWhat's that?20:04
specialit's meant to solve a useless problem (deniability) but it accidentally does an okay job of solving the right one (confidentiality)20:05
mornfallwell, it hides the content of the conversation, which is currently substantially less valuable than metadata that is all there in the open20:05
specialhandling metadata requires something drastically different like ricochet, and it comes with a different set of tradeoffs20:05
mornfallanalyzing (especially obscure) natural languages is very hard to automate20:06
mornfallbut analyzing traffic not so much20:06
r0kk3rzNLP is getting better, slowly20:06
mornfallsure20:06
mornfallstill20:06
specialuse trustworthy XMPP servers.20:06
r0kk3rzwith enough resources (nsa) you can have a pretty massive seed dataset for NLP algos20:06
mornfallwe don't have a solution for the hot problem, though we have a dozen or so for the cold one20:07
pdanektox enrypts metadata as well, if I'm not mistaken20:07
mornfallspecial: and trustworthy ISPs and trustworthy infrastructure between them20:07
pdanekencrypts*20:07
mornfallnot gonna happen20:07
mornfallpdanek: encryption doesn't help with metadata much20:07
mornfallpdanek: tox does different things to hide traffic20:08
specialpdanek: tox is directly peer to peer.20:08
specialsupposedly.20:08
mornfallbut probably not very efficient anyway20:08
AsimovYes, it is peer-to-peer20:08
mornfallit's not the servers that are the problem, it's the infrastructure20:08
AsimovWhat do you mean?20:08
AsimovISP's etc?20:08
mornfallAsimov: imagine you are the great china firewall20:08
specialmornfall: other than large-scale traffic timing analysis or active interception, network monitoring won't reveal who you're talking to with a SSL-enabled XMPP server.20:09
mornfallAsimov: you don't need to compromise any servers or any clients to learn an awful lot about who's talking to who20:09
special(well, until they compromise the SSL private key.)20:09
mornfalltrue, as long as the XMPP server is both trustworthy and has a lot of traffic20:09
Asimovafaik you can run Tox over Tor.20:10
AsimovUnless something changed recently20:10
specialAsimov: I think tox has significantly more marketing than substance at this point, I would approach with caution.20:10
mornfall(and many/most of the connections to that XMPP server are SSLd)20:10
Asimovspecial: I've been following it's development since it's inception. Yes it's a bunch of kids working on it, but look how far they've gotten.20:11
mornfallwell, they have a plugin for libpurple, which is why I tried it20:11
specialhow far have they gotten? the last time I went looking for a spec I found some vague half-written pdf, I think?20:11
AsimovI wouldn't exactly depend on it unless someone independently audited the code, but then again you could say that for anything.20:11
mornfallbut it doesn't work very well20:11
AsimovI haven't tried the plugin, or any of the releases over the past couple of months20:12
AsimovLast I tried it was when they had included audio support20:13
AsimovAnd it seemed to work well20:13
r0kk3rzdoesnt need to be perfect to be better than plaintext20:16
metallistoSomeone still needs a voucher?20:16
pdanekActually20:23
pdanekI could use it.20:23
pdanekBut not 100% sure yet.20:23
pdanekJust 50%20:23
pdanek:D20:23
pdanek@metallisto20:23
r0kk3rzdo the vouchers still work?20:23
Yanielaren't they about to time out anyway20:23
pdanekyay20:23
pdanekabout to?20:24
pdanekbut doesn't matter20:24
pdanekI guess I'll wait couple months20:24
pdanekand Jolla will get cheaper anyway20:24
pdanekcuz I wanted backup Jolla for myself20:25
Yanielor just get jolla2 when it comes out20:25
metallistoOffer is valid until November 220:25
pdanekYaniel: Jolla 2!20:25
pdanekThe hype goes on?20:25
Yanielsure20:25
pdanekThe only worry is that Jolla 2 won't have other half.20:25
pdanekThus I couldn't use TOHKBD20:26
ShinryuuJolla 2 doesn't have other half?20:26
pdanekTOHKBD is the thing why I stick to Jolla20:26
r0kk3rzanything TOH and J2 related is pure speculation20:26
Shinryuu^20:26
Yanielit'll make the galaxy s 7 look like a 56k modem20:26
ShinryuuI see20:26
pdanekif Jolla now says, no TOHKBD, fuck you, no keyboard in the future, I would switch to BlackBerry right now20:26
pdanek:D20:26
Morpog_PC__and then you would try to open terminal there...... wait, lol no terminal20:27
pdanekMorpog_PC__: in my world, keyboard > terminal20:28
Morpog_PC__well, you could get an android with keyboard20:28
pdanekeven keyboard > apps, give me brick with single notepad app on it and I'm good as long as it has real keyboard20:28
pdanekah ok20:28
pdanekright20:28
r0kk3rzbluetooth keyboard cases exist for the iphone20:28
pdanekexcept Android20:29
pdanek:D20:29
pdanekand except iPhone20:29
pdanek:D20:29
r0kk3rzim sure bluetooth keyboard cases exist for other phones as well20:29
Morpog_PC__www.androidauthority.com/best-qwerty-android-smartphones-335748/20:29
Yanielthat leaves... some lumia?20:29
pdanekI was early adopter of Android and T-Mobile G1 and I tried many Android devices, but the OS is so hard to use, it's frustrating.... after trying N900, there is no way back, except BlackBerry20:30
Morpog_PC__you could slam sailfish launcher on it :D20:30
pdanekmmm20:31
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pdanekDo you guys think, that Jolla 2 with TOHKBD will finally be the drem device?20:34
pdanekAnd with dream device, I mean finally with lasers.20:34
dunpTOHDISPKBD :)20:35
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tbrpdanek: I don't care if it comes with a pet shark, as long as it doesn't become the DukeNukem style JollaForever20:44
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r0kk3rzjolla 2 will be released when its done21:17
Shinryuu^21:17
Yanielalong with hl321:18
Nicd-and Duke Nukem 5ever21:19
Shinryuusounds like a plan21:20
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r0kk3rzim not sure anyone is going to dare make another duke nukem21:29
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Nicd-if they ever did, they should name it 5ever21:29
r0kk3rzand hl3 is never going to happen21:29
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r0kk3rzvalves method of game development isnt really good for making long story oriented games21:30
Nicd-but they have already made two that were extremely successful21:31
r0kk3rzyeah that was before21:31
r0kk3rznow they have the whole 'people can work on whatever they want' thing21:31
r0kk3rzwhich means all the developers go to whatever is new and cool, like portal21:32
Nicd-you might find that PR is often different from reality21:32
r0kk3rztrue21:33
r0kk3rzim not sure that applies in this case, because valve dont really need to make games anymore21:33
r0kk3rzthey have steam, they have all of the money21:34
r0kk3rzso they can have project after project that never gets finished, and the few that do will be really cool21:34
ggabriel^21:34
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ggabriel"sorry, guys, we already have too much money"21:35
r0kk3rzso they arent just going to churn out another halflife, unless there is something really new about it21:36
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r0kk3rzlooks like telegram already has a qt based app21:55
r0kk3rzhttps://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/tree/master/Telegram/SourceFiles/mtproto21:55
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TemeVr0kk3rz: there is also library https://code.launchpad.net/~libqtelegram-team/libqtelegram/22:39
TemeVwhich is still work in progress I think22:40
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r0kk3rzlooks that way22:41
r0kk3rzhttp://akulichalexandr.wordpress.com/2014/05/26/telegram-connection-manager-gsoc-2014-task-overview/22:42
r0kk3rzwork has already begun on a telepathy plugin22:43
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TemeVI wonder when do we get group chats to telepathy on Jolla22:46
TemeVIs there roadmap for that?22:47
r0kk3rzno idea22:49
r0kk3rzim sure telepathy does group chats22:50
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r0kk3rzhmmm i think that telegram telepathy plugin is dead22:58
r0kk3rzseems to be a whole load of nothing on that dev blog22:58
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