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AsimovSailfish is officially awesome. I successfuly used my phone with my nose.06:49
Stskeepsexcellent06:49
Stskeepsvery useful skill when hungover06:49
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tbror if it's too cold for capacitive gloves07:03
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AsimovOr when you're high as a kite and have no idea what you're doing07:16
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lpotteror ust want to impress somebody07:18
lpotterjust even07:18
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Pawkydoes anyone have any solutin to not being able to set the sync interval on the general E-mail accounts? out of some reason on some of the accounts its set to not sync, and some are like 30 minutes, no matter which one cannot change it once the account is created08:26
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tbrIIRC there are manual ways to set this. have you checked TJC yet?08:28
stephgPawky: iirc there was also a bug with a blank xml file not being parsed therefore it completely ignoring anything you set in settings anyways08:29
Pawkytbr:will do, stephg which version was this bug in?08:30
stephgPawky: this was a few versions back. Early summer I think08:31
Pawkycause this is the latest .3908:31
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Pawkytbr: seems to be older sync problems on TJC... mine is you cannot change whatever settings is shown, or well you can choose something else, but you cannot make it stick...08:34
Pawkywhat is the manual workaround, some tricks with sqlite?08:34
BysmyyrI got answer from whastapp: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c4eefc9558b8eb4fd44308:36
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dr_gogeta86for stezz giucam sledges and other italian who understand italian ... http://www.androidiani.com/news/jolla-phone-arriva-amazon-italia-222090 see the comments ... are funny ...09:32
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r0kk3rzsurely italians can buy direct from jolla09:38
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Shinryuuit seems I figured out why android apps stopped working.. if I don´t have apptoide installed I cannot load android apps at all which is just weird09:40
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r0kk3rzyeah that seems wrong09:42
r0kk3rzi dont think i have apptoide installed09:42
r0kk3rznope, dont09:43
Shinryuuare you on uitukka?09:43
r0kk3rzyeah09:43
Shinryuuthey worked without apptoide for a while but now it seems they won´t start until you have that thing installed09:43
r0kk3rzbut obviously something borked during the upgrade for you, and maybe installing aptoide fixes it09:43
ShinryuuI wonder how to debug this thing because I cannot find anything interesting from journalctl09:43
r0kk3rzi havent had any issues with the android layer on uitukka09:43
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ShinryuuI uninstalled apptoide (once again) but now apps are starting just fine.. this is a bit random :P09:46
r0kk3rzlol09:47
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Shinryuualso I noticed that if you install K-9 mail application it messes something up so you can't load android apps at all even after rebooting09:47
r0kk3rzsounds like the store is voodoo09:48
clauBysmyyr, was your whatsapp account banned due to using Mitakuuluu?09:48
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Shinryuutime to hide and go back to work ;)09:50
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r0kk3rzim thinking its a good time to push for a telegram app09:51
r0kk3rzits not a perfect solution, but they already have apps for the major systems09:51
r0kk3rzand they actively encourage third party clients09:51
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clauTelegram is pretty much the only way to go. Everything else is closed, and nobody really cares about a platform that has just a few tens of thousands of users.09:54
Bysmyyrclau yes09:54
clauBysmyyr, what steps did you take? Did you send a support request straight from Whatsapp client?09:55
Bysmyyrnormal email09:55
clauThe generated email is supposed to contain the details about the hardware and OS.09:55
clauI see. Probably that's why they asked you for those details.09:55
r0kk3rzand you lie, and say nexus 4 android...09:56
stezzthx dr_gogeta8609:56
clauwell, you could definitely fake the email :)09:56
clauand alter the logs that are attached to it.09:57
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dr_gogeta86you wellcome10:05
clauBysmyyr, in any case, please post an update here when you get it unblocked: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/issues/27810:06
claumaybe here too: https://together.jolla.com/question/61539/mitakuuluu-stop-using-immediately/10:06
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nanderI've got my jolla :)10:35
Bysmyyr:)10:35
nanderI forgot how nice it looks ;)10:35
pdanekDid you use IBM Simon? Anyone?10:36
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nanderDoes jolla have carddav support?10:57
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kontionander: some basic experimental support10:59
nanderCaldav seems to work fine :)10:59
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nanderIs there a way to set carddav up?11:01
clauhuh, all accessories are out of stock in jolla shop :(11:03
nanderYap :(11:04
nanderNot even bloody screen protectors11:04
kontionander: in uitukka there is an account plugin for carddav and caldav...11:04
nanderuitukka is the experimental update?11:05
nanderI found caldav, but no carddav11:06
VDVsxyes is the experimental update11:07
VDVsxupdate911:07
dr_gogeta86hi VDVsx11:07
VDVsxhey11:07
dr_gogeta86you did somethin in uitukka11:07
dr_gogeta86push works like a sharm11:07
VDVsxhumm, I think it still drops when device goes to sleep, as far as I remember that commit is not there yet11:08
nanderAny catches for Uitukka?11:08
dr_gogeta86seems better11:08
nander(why isn't it pushed yet?)11:08
VDVsxdr_gogeta86, update10 will have that commit11:08
r0kk3rzthe screen protector i got from germany is pretty good11:08
VDVsxthen only UI and network disconnect stuff missing11:09
r0kk3rzyou dont have to get everything from the jolla store11:09
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r0kk3rznander: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vikuiti-MySafeDisplay-Crystal-clear-Hard-coated-Dirt-repellent/dp/B00HJ2Q5ZG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1415012981&sr=8-2&keywords=jolla+screen+protector11:10
nanderBought it, twice, just so I don't run out of them11:13
r0kk3rzhaha11:14
r0kk3rzthere are others on amazon, but those are the ones i bought11:14
r0kk3rznice and clear, fit the phone well11:15
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sjtoikshit, was my main consern on the loo, when i found out that having the sounds turned off, doesn't silence video playback on browser11:17
sjtoiki opened a egyptian wedding video, and they have a tendency to scream loudly while having fun11:18
Stskeepssjtoik: 'egyptian wedding video'..?11:18
sjtoikthis one http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/11/egypt-jails-8-men-for-3-years-after-same-sex-wedding-video-goes-viral/11:18
VDVsxthat one :P11:19
sjtoikalmost dropped the phone11:19
nanderShouldn't drop it11:19
nanderIt doesn't like that11:19
sjtoikits fun how the controls stop working just when you are panicing and trying to do something fast11:20
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r0kk3rzthe controls work fine11:22
r0kk3rzits you that stops working11:22
sjtoiki'm quite sure, i hit the pause button on the video player correctly, multiple times, with different angles, until i closed the browser completely11:24
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Venemo_jhey guys13:38
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Stskeepsmoo Venemo_j13:44
Venemo_jhey Stskeeps13:45
Venemo_jwhat's up?13:45
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nanderHow long till 1.1.x.x?14:10
nanderCarddav support is essential to me14:10
Nicd-it was just delayed for a day14:10
nanderMy jolla arrived today, I'm waiting for carddav and for me having installed mitakuuluu, then I can use it as my main phone14:11
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nanderBut release date was supposed to be today?14:15
Nicd-what release date?14:15
nanderfor 1.1.x.x14:16
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Nicd-there's no public release date for it14:16
nanderOk ;)14:16
Nicd-actually, speaking of 1.1 (U9), someone said it might be skipped entirely and go straight to U1014:17
Nicd-you can get the opt-in anyway14:17
nanderAny known bugs?14:17
Nicd-some OOM bugs were listed on TJC14:18
nanderI could always reset the device, right?14:18
r0kk3rzu10 should drop soon anyway14:18
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Nicd-nander: yeah, you can always factory reset (but it can be annoying)14:18
nanderAny and all personal data on it is caldav and carddav ;)14:19
nanderSo I don't care if I have to reset14:20
Nicd-well then, read through this: https://together.jolla.com/question/59874/release-notes-opt-in-upgrade-to-software-version-11038-uitukka/14:21
nanderI will14:22
nanderThanks14:22
nanderYou need to opt-in by email?14:23
Nicd-yes14:23
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Venemo_jyep14:26
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claumy understanding is that the next public release will be u1015:09
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clauI wonder how it will be implemented, if everyone will go through two releases on the next update (u8 -> u9 -> u10)15:10
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r0kk3rzwell that will happen one way or another15:12
r0kk3rzwhether its presented to the user as such, only time will tell15:12
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Stskeepswe do 1.0.0 to 2 1.0.2.5 -> whatever atm i think15:13
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* cb400f didn't think he could love his Jolla more, but then he got the keira black other half16:13
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sledgescb400f: and what if ... https://twitter.com/PI_tt_Bull/status/519776941562658816 ? :)16:21
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cb400fhmmm :-)16:22
cb400fsoon you'll need multiple Jollas so you can use all the different OHs at the same time :-)16:23
coderusGift Vouchers now valid until November 10, 201416:23
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bjornAbout these gift vouchers.16:25
bjornFirst e-mail said "don't go overboard with them".16:25
bjornSecond e-mail said "special treat for those whos vouchers have been used multiple times"16:25
sledgesone leather toh for each pair of shoes16:26
bjornWhat is it now? Should I tweet my gift voucher?16:26
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FIQhmm, shipping 2-4 days16:51
FIQmore like 2-4 days + *5* days for taking my purchase16:51
FIQoh well, I can wait, it just feels wrong that 2-4 is in fact 7-916:51
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FIQbut oh well16:51
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r0kk3rzthey might be a little busy atm17:09
r0kk3rzwhich is probably a good sign17:09
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clauwhat's the deal with the vouchers?17:15
claucan you use it for yourself?17:15
pdanek1The First Ones have 2x voucher and rest has 1x voucher?17:16
pdanek1I received just one voucher.17:16
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claunice trick, they give vouchers and the store is empty! :D17:17
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r0kk3rzi dont see why you cant use it yourself clau17:20
r0kk3rzbut its only for jphone purchases17:21
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clauI see17:29
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Nicd-pdanek: who has 2 vouchers?17:46
ShinryuuI have a one17:46
pdanekNobody?17:46
pdanekok17:46
Shinryuuso no one can have two!17:46
Nicd-well, I have 2 :D17:47
Nicd-but since they're multiple use it doesn't really matter17:47
Shinryuuohh17:47
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matrixxI got the voucher email twice, but the code is same in both emails17:48
Nicd-I think it's because I changed my email for my jolla account recently17:48
matrixxNicd-: ah ok :)17:48
Nicd-I got an email to both addresses, with different codes17:48
matrixxNicd-: but now you can get two aloe toh:s17:49
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Nicd-matrixx: well, the other email is not associated with my jolla account anymore17:49
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Nicd-but if I do I'll promise to give the second one away to someone17:49
matrixxNicd-: not sure if it matters17:49
matrixxNicd-: can I have it if no one uses my voucher? ;)17:49
Nicd-don't you already have one? I seem to recall that ;)17:50
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matrixxNicd-: not aloe one, the other colors I have17:50
ShinryuuI wish someone used my code17:50
Nicd-matrixx: hmmm, I remember you had some special color on release day17:50
Nicd-but most likely no one will use my codes either17:50
matrixxNicd-: yes, lime green :)17:50
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GreatEmeraldHas anyone had any experience with transferring contacts from an S40 device?19:57
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GreatEmeraldI can send individual vcf files fine, but using synchronisation doesn't seem to work right19:58
GreatEmeraldAs in, the S40 device connects, says it's starting synchronisation... And then stays like that19:59
GreatEmeraldIf I cancel, the S40 device... crashes. I don't think I ever saw S40 crash before :D19:59
GreatEmeraldThere doesn't seem to be a way to export all contacts simultaneously, only one by one, otherwise20:07
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GreatEmeraldOf course, I can always use the SIM card for it, although that's quite a bit cumbersome20:08
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Yanielsim is probably easiest20:16
GreatEmeraldAnd if I start the import procedure from the side of Jolla, it shows "waiting to import..." and also never completes20:17
GreatEmeraldWhich leads to a funny situation where both phones are claiming to sync, but neither actually does so :D20:17
GreatEmeraldYea, all right, then I'll have to make sure I keep the mini SIM adapter20:18
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Yanielor you could see if you can get all contacts in a single vcf file by syncing them to a pc with nokia suite20:19
GreatEmeraldNokia suite on Linux? I'd rather not...20:20
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Yanielyeah that probably won't work20:21
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petantikget all the vcf files and cat them, output to a new vcf file!21:36
pawky|2I have finally come to the understanding the only way to get multicast working is to somehow patch the wlan driver setting that damn setMCBCFilter bit from 0 to 1 has anyone done this, and/or knows which byte to poke?21:39
pawky|2I meant, from 1 to 0...21:40
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GreatEmeraldpetantik: That would take a while. There's no option to put all contacts into the SD card21:54
petantikAh. I see.21:55
petantikHmm. must be some way to write a small program to probe the database file.21:55
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mcfriskhi, my jolla started rebooting and shutting down a lot after moving to a new area. Switching 4g off to 3g or 2g only helps a bit but for example in the morning couldn't even use the camera without immediate reboot or poweroff. The device was in repair and got the battery 'fix' and a new display set few months ago. But is the HW now really dying?21:56
petantikGreatEmerald: I didn't realise you were doing it from an S40! My condolences.21:56
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GreatEmeraldpetantik: :D22:04
stephgmcfrisk: sounds nasty :(22:04
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stephgonly way to be sure (short of sending it off again) is to be systematic in your approach to debugging22:05
GreatEmeraldHm, interesting, looks like the Jolla doesn't handle weird sample rate (22k) music too well22:05
GreatEmeraldIt plays it back, but stops playing and switches to the next one in the middle of playing22:06
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stephgGreatEmerald: that file plays fine on other devices? which format also (22.1k isn't strange)22:07
GreatEmeraldstephg: It plays fine on KDE with the gstreamer backed, yes22:08
GreatEmeraldAlso, MP322:08
stephgwant to put the file somewhere see if it does the same on another device?22:09
mcfriskstephg: yep. I guess I could start off by setting logs to be persistent on emmc/sdcard. But that does not help if boot messages don't contain a 'boot reason' like crashed modem or voltage problem or something.22:09
stephgthe logs don't but the kernel does iirc22:09
stephgmcfrisk ^^22:10
stephgbut you can try with silly little things like disabling wlan22:10
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mcfriskstephg: isn't journal capturing kernel messages from boot up too22:10
mcfriskdisabling wlan: in settings gui or rmmod?22:11
stephgtrying the former22:12
GreatEmeraldstephg: http://www.mediafire.com/listen/73e6m7hz4yh587i/scout.mp322:12
stephgor (and I appreciate it's hard if you need the phone) flightmode or disabling mobile data etc.22:12
stephgGreatEmerald downloading22:12
stephgugh silly web pages :/22:13
mcfriskalso, I 've had reboots during phone calls lately, like after 10 minutes it rebooted and then was fine until another 10 minutes into the call. Battery levels where around 70%. Maybe really bad reception is peaking the modem transmissions.22:13
stephgdoes sound kinda power-ish...22:14
stephgGreatEmerald: ac4335ae0edebd19a938010e98c62685  scout.mp322:14
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stephgthat right?22:15
mcfriskI could add another folded paper below the battery since before service that worked for a long time and didn't have problems like this.22:15
tbrmcfrisk: try cleaning the contacts, both sides22:16
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mcfrisktbr: battery and phone?22:17
tbryes22:17
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tbrthere seems to be a latent impedance problem that develops over time22:18
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GreatEmeraldstephg: Yeap22:18
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tbrcleaning contacts usually eliminates that part22:18
tbrI've been observing the behaviour of my devices in that respect. one recently shows signs of this behaviour. I need to wait and see and then inspect the contact surfaces carefully22:19
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mcfriskwhat does the jolla 'boot reason' kernel message look like in 'journalctl -b -k'?22:24
* mcfrisk wonders who is 'WH Lee'22:26
pawky|2tbr: Hey, you gave me some Multicast ideas before, and I have looked into them all only to come to the conclusion the flag is hard coded into the wlan driver and the only way to change it would be patching the driver or similar. Do you have any more input to make me be able to move forward in my quest to turn multicast on? :-)22:26
pawky|2At the moment I am looking upon the wlan driver as a hexdump to see if I could identify which byte holds the flag data, but its a really hard quest...22:28
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pawky|2I am assuming the wlan driver source code is not downloadable somewhere, right?22:28
tbrpawky|2: a quite similar version of it is22:29
tbrit got open sourced later on22:29
pawky|2tbr: any link?22:30
tbrno22:30
tbrprobably code aurora22:30
pawky|2tbr: have you maybe heard about an already precompiled version of this wlan driver that will work with .39 and where one can change the flags? 8-)22:32
stephgGreatEmerald just playing now22:33
stephgGreatEmerald: that's curious22:33
stephgso it's playing22:33
stephgbut the progress bar not moving22:33
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stephgGreatEmerald: looks like a bug, one for TJC22:34
stephgooor22:34
stephga corrupt mp322:34
stephgabout a minute or so in, it skipped, the counter started counting22:35
tbrpawky|2: no, but someone was offering me a free gold bar the other day22:35
stephggot to 3 seconds then skipped to the next track22:35
stephgit doesn't like something about that file tho22:35
GreatEmeraldYeap22:37
GreatEmeraldLike I said, it plays back in KDE fine...22:37
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stephgnever used it before but mp3val says it's fine...22:39
stephgGreatEmerald: are you 1.0.8 or 1.1.0?22:41
mcfrisksigh, so jolla does NOT save kernel boot logs to journal. How to fix that?22:41
stephgGreatEmerald: plays clean in mplayer22:42
stephgI'd open a TJC22:42
stephganyway22:44
stephgbedtiem22:44
stephgniight!22:44
pawky|2tbr: why all this secrecy, when its open source?...22:44
GreatEmeraldSo what's TJC? together.jolla.com?22:45
stephgyep22:46
GreatEmeraldAll right22:46
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GreatEmeraldAlso, 1.0.822:46
stephgfor the record it doesn't work in 1.122:46
stephgTJC is as near as we have (at the moment) to a public bugtracker22:46
GreatEmeraldgood to know22:46
GreatEmeraldBut yes, bedtime is right :D22:47
stephgif you wang it up there, tag it as music player and such, the sailors will see it22:47
GreatEmeraldOK22:47
stephgit'll work its' way into their internal one and hopefully you'll get a fix :)22:47
stephganyway niiiiiiight!22:48
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nanderI'm even happier, I just found bubblewrap.. Did Jolla put it in the box?23:33
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