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| TemeV | eitzei: #jollasuomi, jos haluat jutella suomeksi. This channel is English only | 02:38 |
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| TMavica | anyone can give me the original file of vm.conf in pastebin? | 07:08 |
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| mdxth | TMavica, http://pastebin.com/QBQ83ZEp | 07:13 |
| mdxth | TMavica, not sure if it is the original :) | 07:14 |
| TMavica | thanks | 07:16 |
| mdxth | np | 07:17 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | sound lagged when switching volume level is known bugs? | 07:49 |
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| accu | hi all | 08:46 |
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| accu | I see Jolla is gearing up to announce something new. Since I skipped the first Jolla because of lacking CardDAV support, can anyone tell me how CardDAV is working for them? It seems to be experimentally supported currently? | 08:48 |
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| Morpog_PC | dunno, I use google sync for it | 09:53 |
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| TemeV | my owncloud is still waiting for someone to set it up, so haven't tried cardDAV yet :) | 11:06 |
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| eitzei | TemeV: Oke, thanks for the information. | 11:31 |
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| eitzei | Hi, I have this weird problem (imo atleast) that after mooving to the Netherlands my Jolla can't, or don't know howto, update the correct date and time. So I would like to know how I could debug this problem? And I think also it has been rebooting by itself more often than in Finland? | 11:34 |
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| eitzei | * -? | 11:35 |
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| Cazou | hey, is there any way to see the boot log of the kernel in live ? | 12:05 |
| Vilkz | From what I've heard, it's not possible :( http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1398273 | 12:08 |
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| Cazou | Vilkz: what about uart output ? | 12:22 |
| AL13N | i thought the kernel had some kind of in-memory logging that can be fed into journalctl after systemd start? | 12:23 |
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| Cazou | AL13N: the thing is that I'd like to check if the kernel actually boots | 12:24 |
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| AL13N | Cazou: well, there's no way for the kernel to store something... | 12:32 |
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| AL13N | unless some kind of serial line... | 12:35 |
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| Cazou | AL13N: I was thinking that there could be serial on the usb port but, i don't see how. Android seems to be able to use it on the htc one mini (m4) which has the same SoC, apparently | 12:39 |
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| dunp | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTgzOTY | 13:05 |
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| AL13N | dunp: it doesn't look like a new device (it wouldn't make any sense anyway), to me it looks like a special TOH | 13:25 |
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| Stskeeps | eitzei: contact care please | 13:27 |
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| AL13N | Stskeeps: you'll probably say contact care, but: today when i initiated a call, the exact time it would start dialing, it went off and showed a icon of a disconnected charging icon (less than 1sec), and after that, it started booting up again... with more than enough charge | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | bingo | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:29 |
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| AL13N | Stskeeps: i'm wondering if sometimes outgoing calls take a sudden more power which would have this effect | 13:30 |
| AL13N | i wonder if disallowing sudden power surges would help | 13:30 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: but, since i already sent it back to care once, i'm hesitant on that... i'll just clean the contacts once more and see if that helps for a while... but i wonder if it wouldn't be a destabilizing effect due to sudden power increases when you're on 2G or something | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 13:31 |
| AL13N | well, i donnno | 13:31 |
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| AL13N | thing is, i seem to have very very bad reception at home,... so sounds plausible to me, maybe sudden power increase just when you're switching between 2G and 3G or something, (which has a power increase on it's own) | 13:32 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if he'll be put on a stake for suggesting ability to include mono into qml.. | 13:33 | |
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| AL13N | Stskeeps: i think yes | 13:33 |
| AL13N | :-) | 13:33 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: btw: you know the thing about 19Nov, right? you just can't tell me? :-) | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | i'm on holiday, i know nothing | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:33 |
| AL13N | heh | 13:33 |
| AL13N | you're on holiday in barcelona perhaps? | 13:34 |
| AL13N | and your name is manuel? | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | barcelona? no, that's next year | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:34 |
| AL13N | you got the ref, right? | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | fawlty towers? | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | well, bear with me a bit on the mono/.NET stuff.. bigger problem is that qml+c++ apps aren't really portable | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | but .net stuff compiles to .net IR, which can be recompiled towards specific processors on the fly, or in the cloud, etc | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | LLVM IR isn't cutting it and PNaCl isn't really a sane environment | 13:36 |
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| eitzei | Stskeeps: Okey, I'll. Thanks! | 13:50 |
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| Teemu | Stskeeps: are you the moo from alt!environment? | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | no | 13:56 |
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| HtheB | Stskeeps: hi | 14:05 |
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| mcfrisk | hi, where to get skype for jolla, that actually works. aptoide one complains about missing amazon app store stuff, weird. | 14:17 |
| mcfrisk | and then the aptoide one just exits. | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | amazon app store..? | 14:17 |
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| mcfrisk | yep, that's weird | 14:20 |
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| mcfrisk | and then with skype, I had the weird no wlan connection problem. Re-installed android support over wlan to fix it. That's freaky. | 14:31 |
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| sec | Something BIG is about to begin. Any speculation going on as to what this is D: | 16:10 |
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| Venemo | what? | 16:26 |
| Morpog_PC | Venemo, jolla.com | 16:26 |
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| Venemo | oh wow | 16:27 |
| Venemo | what is it? | 16:27 |
| Nicd- | nobody knows | 16:27 |
| Morpog_PC | we just have rumours :D | 16:27 |
| Nicd- | probably a tablet | 16:27 |
| Morpog_PC | tablet, or phablet or smartphone, or pissble a device by some other hardware partner which licensed sailfishos | 16:28 |
| Morpog_PC | possible | 16:28 |
| Sail0r | Tizen :P | 16:28 |
| Morpog_PC | oh please no | 16:28 |
| Venemo | Jolla 2? | 16:30 |
| Morpog_PC | I don't think so | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | strategy change! | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 16:30 |
| Morpog_PC | pfff, Stskeeps is adding to the rumours :D | 16:30 |
| eitzei | It would be nice if it was a Jolla 2, and it would be that thin! But in that case TOHs would be useless | 16:30 |
| Sail0r | replacement battery ! | 16:30 |
| Morpog_PC | lol | 16:31 |
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| Venemo | eitzei: maybe the Jolla 2's TOHs will be compatible with those of the Jolla 1? | 16:31 |
| Morpog_PC | I don't think so :D | 16:31 |
| Venemo | why not? | 16:31 |
| eitzei | Venemo: But then it wouldn't be that thin right? | 16:31 |
| Venemo | thin is overrated | 16:31 |
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| Morpog_PC | look at that device in that pic | 16:31 |
| eitzei | Ou, it is a device? ;) | 16:32 |
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| Morpog_PC | what else should that be? | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC: YvesPE is doing such a better job than me | 16:32 |
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| eitzei | Maybe just a vveryvery special TOH? | 16:32 |
| Sail0r | projector toh | 16:33 |
| Venemo | you mean this? https://cdn.jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/landing.jpg | 16:34 |
| Venemo | what makes you think it's a device | 16:35 |
| Venemo | it looks like a book | 16:35 |
| Nicd- | it looks nothing like a book | 16:35 |
| eitzei | :DD | 16:35 |
| FireFly | It's an external HDD | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | USB stick? | 16:35 |
| Nicd- | it looks a lot like the corner of a thin tablet | 16:35 |
| Venemo | Nicd-: from a specific angle, I mean | 16:35 |
| FireFly | An external HDD, indicating that Jolla will drop out of the mobile phone business :P | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | if there was one thing tizen was good at, it was gadgets and tshirts.. | 16:35 |
| friese | it's curved like an toh i think... | 16:35 |
| Nicd- | Venemo: which angle? usually books have pages | 16:36 |
| raa700_ | external powerpack | 16:36 |
| Venemo | okay, so maybe a stylized book | 16:36 |
| Venemo | anyway | 16:36 |
| friese | or it's just the availability of replacement batteries :) | 16:36 |
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| Nicd- | friese: that's not big :P | 16:36 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: and cheap ballpoint pens | 16:36 |
| FireFly | It's big if you make it big | 16:36 |
| friese | maybe it's a replacement batterie with enhanced capacity :) | 16:36 |
| raa700_ | standalone TOH holder | 16:37 |
| FireFly | Haha | 16:37 |
| Venemo | or... maybe it's an anti-gravity harness | 16:37 |
| * Morpog_PC hopes his N9 boots up after dd'ing latest sailfishos image to it | 16:39 | |
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| Morpog_PC | Welcome screen :D | 16:40 |
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| sec | I don't think Jolla is going to launch a new device. Hardware for them is not sustainable. It could be an OEM with Sailfish though. Or it could just be an addon or something that hasn't been imagined before. You have to admit TOH opens up a lot of possibilities. | 16:43 |
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| Sail0r | wtf what does green blinking of jolla mean? | 16:44 |
| sec | Message | 16:44 |
| Nicd- | UI is not responding when display is being turned on | 16:44 |
| sec | Blue is calls I think | 16:44 |
| Nicd- | blue is messages | 16:44 |
| Sail0r | hm incoming call missed oO | 16:44 |
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| Sail0r | what call | 16:44 |
| Sail0r | there was none in the notifications ^^ | 16:45 |
| sec | Or other way round :P I can never remember. I just know it wants to tell me something. | 16:45 |
| Morpog_PC | green blinking was crashing lopstick iirc | 16:45 |
| Morpog_PC | lipstick | 16:45 |
| Sail0r | only when screen is on | 16:45 |
| Sail0r | but screen was off | 16:45 |
| Sail0r | according to this https://together.jolla.com/question/30230/wiki-meanings-of-notification-led-blink-codes/ it means call missed | 16:45 |
| Sail0r | but neither jolla nor pebble see a call ^^ | 16:45 |
| Morpog_PC | ah that green | 16:46 |
| Morpog_PC | not fast blinking | 16:46 |
| Morpog_PC | slow pulsing | 16:46 |
| Morpog_PC | could be also a new mitakuuluu message | 16:46 |
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| sec | https://shop.jolla.com/ their certificate expired today | 16:47 |
| Sail0r | I think it just wanted awarness because i looked at jolla2? | 16:47 |
| Sail0r | xD | 16:47 |
| Sail0r | maybe it was insanely jealous | 16:47 |
| sec | Guys pls fix cert thnx. | 16:47 |
| sec | It doesn't look cool when draw ##security's attention to the product and they run into an expired cert :P | 16:48 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: https://shop.jolla.com/ SSL cert expired | 16:48 |
| Nicd- | that's pretty embarrassing | 16:48 |
| sec | Ikr | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | Nicd-: in progress | 16:48 |
| Morpog_PC | hmmm, latest sailfishos image works better and worse at the same time on my N9 :D | 16:49 |
| Sail0r | oO | 16:49 |
| Morpog_PC | but it's ALOT more smooth than 1.0.8 | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | sec: ##security .. ? | 16:51 |
| sec | Yes, the Freenode channel | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:51 |
| sec | ;) | 16:51 |
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| Stskeeps | well, first problem found to be solved.. :) | 16:53 |
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| Venemo | LoL: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/97126865868/systemd | 17:36 |
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| TMavica | I sudden found when I change volume in game or music player when playing, it lags . | 17:44 |
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| pdanek | It's obvious, Jolla tablet on Wednesday. | 17:59 |
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| Venemo | pdanek: you sure? | 18:16 |
| pdanek | Venemo: no | 18:17 |
| Venemo | I'd be surprised | 18:17 |
| Venemo | but in a good way :) | 18:17 |
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| arturo182 | woops, sorry | 19:06 |
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| Morpog_PC | Just put my new cyan TOH on my Jolla which arrived today by post! Thanks for that gift Jolla sailors! | 19:40 |
| Morpog_PC | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2gaiikIIAEml4B.jpg:large | 19:41 |
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| Stskeeps | hrm, no name of who wrote it? | 19:42 |
| AL13N | does that matter? aren't you asking a bit too much? | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | well, they're personal notes | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:44 |
| AL13N | :-) | 19:44 |
| * Stskeeps wasn't in this pile of notes | 19:44 | |
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| AL13N | you know what would be nice (and i would buy), a black death TOH (a completely black TOH and like a pirate flag logo on the back and some sort of ambience like it) | 19:45 |
| AL13N | you know? sailors, a pirate flag thingy? | 19:46 |
| AL13N | like, have the skull have that sailor hat on top like the ones that were passed out at FOSDEM last year | 19:46 |
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| Morpog_PC | AL13N, buy a black TOH and draw a bone head on it? | 19:55 |
| Morpog_PC | All those colors: https://twitter.com/Morpog/status/533709746243518464/photo/1 :D | 19:56 |
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| xkr47 | wonder when there will be more "Insmat screen protector" on shop.jolla.com | 21:09 |
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| raa700_ | i think i bought 5 screen protectors from ebay... came from .de and cost less than one in finnish shops | 22:01 |
| raa700_ | ...less than half than one in finnish shops | 22:01 |
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| cryorat | raa700_, link or didnt happen :) | 22:07 |
| raa700_ | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6x-Savvies-SU75-screen-protector-ultraclear-for-Jolla-Jolla-/191330253217? | 22:09 |
| raa700_ | sry | 22:10 |
| raa700_ | was way less than half | 22:10 |
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| raa700_ | i think i should sell some | 22:11 |
| cryorat | raa700_, thx :) | 22:11 |
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| raa700_ | if bought from ebay.de they had some crazy shipping fees | 22:14 |
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| just4info_ | meh, the biggest bummer at the jolla phone was the tax....=/ | 22:17 |
| just4info_ | and why a screen protector? are you planning to cut chilly on it? | 22:18 |
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| Nicd- | it will scratch without a protector | 22:19 |
| just4info_ | isn't it gorilla glass? | 22:20 |
| Nicd- | it is | 22:20 |
| Nicd- | mine already has scratches | 22:20 |
| * messerting use one pocket for Jolla, one for keys, coins, gravel | 22:20 | |
| just4info_ | ah well, my old phone did just fine | 22:21 |
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| Nicd- | gorilla will not protect against sand for example | 22:21 |
| just4info_ | I'm more worried that i'll brick it =/ | 22:21 |
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| just4info_ | it will get a bit "hacky" to implement the features i'm missing most | 22:23 |
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| messerting | just4info_: curious, what features? | 22:26 |
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| just4info_ | messerting, i need a more accurate call log for work for example | 22:27 |
| messerting | just4info_: like, actually saving the conversation? | 22:28 |
| just4info_ | that's actually the feature i'm missing the most, without it i can't realy stick with the phone =/ | 22:28 |
| messerting | https://together.jolla.com/question/5008/call-recording-app/#post-id-61319 | 22:28 |
| just4info_ | nope like: Contact A called at 9:00am, talked 12minutes | 22:29 |
| cryorat | just4info_, biggest bummer the tax? Im thankful to God, the Jolla is finnish and not hungarian :D | 22:29 |
| cryorat | We have 27% VAT | 22:30 |
| messerting | it will store the conversation (audio) and show a list with duration, date, size, name | 22:30 |
| just4info_ | cryorat, in austria companys can buy products they need for bussines tax-free | 22:30 |
| just4info_ | messerting, i'm pretty sure that saving each conversation as an audio file is against the law here | 22:32 |
| messerting | just4info_: what country? | 22:32 |
| just4info_ | messerting, austria | 22:32 |
| messerting | just4info_: in Norway it is allowed for private conversations | 22:33 |
| messerting | you're not allowed to use the recording to whatever, though | 22:33 |
| messerting | for business, you need to inform the other party | 22:33 |
| just4info_ | messerting, even then i wouldn't do it since it cuts into the other persons privacy | 22:33 |
| messerting | If I cannot record my personall conversation, while goverments can record whatever they want, well, then... | 22:34 |
| just4info_ | and i definitly wouldn't inform the other each party during each call, this would hurt the business more than it helps | 22:35 |
| messerting | just4info_: sure, I agree on that. | 22:37 |
| pdanek | It's going to be tablet because there is no way that Jolla 2 would be released now, even at the time of TOHKBD being developed. | 22:37 |
| just4info_ | messerting, but yea, since the phone is pretty open i can fix that on my own, it's just a pitty that this option isn't there right away | 22:37 |
| pdanek | and other half? that wouldn't be something big | 22:37 |
| messerting | just4info_: agreed, much room for improvement | 22:38 |
| just4info_ | anyways, in general i'm pretty happy with the phone and looking at the past updates makes me hope for a huge progress :) | 22:41 |
| just4info_ | i just hope that their priorities match with the target group | 22:43 |
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| messerting | Ignoring support for system wide landscape mode support suprised me. (coming from N900, and N9) | 22:51 |
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| just4info_ | yep, but that's something i could live with | 22:53 |
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| just4info_ | what bugged me more is that the calender isn't integrated into the lock-screen | 22:53 |
| just4info_ | having displayed the next 1-2 meetings there would be nice | 22:54 |
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