#jollamobile log for Saturday, 2014-11-22

tigeliyes!00:00
tigeliI have always wanted this!00:00
paviand since dunp mentions openwrt he gets special attention00:00
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dunp and tor server, bitcoind..00:01
paviAnd guys has the mitakulu situation improved ?00:01
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pavidunp, they will ignore you if you add too many terms00:01
tigelitor.. it's nice that it has exit nodes which are nowadays modifying data00:01
tigelilike adding viruses/worms into executables ;)00:02
pahartiktigeli: I have had similar problem but opposite case on "Jolla Mobile", sometimes system prompts to choose internet connection between mobile network and 802.11 network... However, I do not plan on enabling 802.11 network00:02
dunpnot if use https..00:02
tigelidunp: well.. people and self-signed certs.. :(00:03
pavipahartik, I think it will ask you only if there is a "saved netowrk"00:03
tigelipahartik: yeah, it will show the 802.11 if it exists in the system, even it is disabled as selecting it would power it up00:04
pavitigeli, dunp nothing could stop those idiots from spying. Imagine them getting into hardware random number generators , certificate , even an attempt on linux kernel00:04
tigelianyway, we are working on it to make the connection popup to behave better00:04
dunpwpa2 and lot of gpu power..   hmm gnu radio support to jolla :)00:05
paviI +1ed the issue00:06
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pavitigeli, sure its coming in next update ? I use maps a lot in doors :P00:06
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tigelipavi: yes, if you mean the starting maps + connection popup..00:07
pavitigeli, ahh then its cool.00:07
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paviNow my only issue is the goddamn whatsapp thingy which every random guy keeps asking me about00:07
paviwill it run whatsapp ?00:07
paviI got my jolla phone like 2 days back and I learnt that all of you guys have enjoyed whatsapp with mitakululu sailfish native UI00:08
tigelipavi: https://github.com/nemomobile/connectionagent/commit/560c93d1e871bc09dda35939d6fdbe662f41092800:08
tigelipavi: made the fix already in August00:08
paviAnd now getting stuck with that android junk is irritating00:08
pahartiktigeli: Acknowledged00:08
tigelipavi: personally I have the official whatsapp running on my jolla00:08
pavitigeli, awesome :) I need to start digging a bit deep.00:08
paviby official you mean the "android" one00:09
paviI hate android00:09
tigeliyeah.. the official android one00:09
pavithats the reason I bought a jolla phone00:09
tigelipavi: the problem with mitakuuluu is that you can get your account banned by whatsapp00:09
paviAnd running alien dalvik is not so healthy for the phone00:09
tigelipavi: like with any other non-official whatsapp-client00:09
tigeliit is in their eula..00:10
dunpany idea to make warpper to whatsapp?00:10
paviI was using a non offcial client on firefox os00:10
pavihttps://github.com/loqui/im00:10
paviI wish they start allowing firefox apps to run on sailfish00:10
tigelipavi: I'm not saying that mitakuuluu would not work, just that you might get banned by using it00:11
paviit wouldnt be much of a hassle00:11
dunpto run it in  sandbox.. sandbox capture input and output for it.. and convert it to "mitakuuluu"?00:11
pavitigeli, I obviously dont wanna be banned after having so many contacts in the list00:11
tigelidunp: I guess coderus has been pretty much doing that00:11
tigelipavi: it would be nice to get native supported whatsapp from whatsapp :)00:12
paviIf they support https://together.jolla.com/question/1020/support-for-firefox-os-apps/ then loqui is good00:12
dunprunning whatsup inside sandbox.. only native gui to it..?00:12
pavitigeli, I would rather prefer that they dont ban mitakulu00:12
* pahartik does not have use for 802.11 until possibly after it can be used as Bluetooth AMP00:13
tigelime too.. but it's their service and they do what they like00:13
paviWhatsapp native client might have lot of spy softwar ein it00:13
pavior some junk for ads00:13
tigeli+can00:13
tigelitrue00:13
dunpand large00:13
tigeliwell I wouldn't trust the whole service either00:13
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dunpmutäkuuluu and pgp support :)00:14
tigelithat could work :)00:14
pavitigeli, I bet none of the people in this channel trust whatsapp . we are only dragged into it because of network effect00:14
tigelihehe00:15
paviI keep explaining to my non geeky friends00:15
juhajcryorat: Only cli? I don't understand. OpenVPN has no user interface at all.00:15
paviI convinced my entire house mates to shift to telegram00:15
pavithey did shift00:15
juhajninnnu: Opera Mobile is #1 reason I run out of battery on the N9, so missing that may not be bad at all ;)00:15
pavibut others just excluded me and are collaborating as a group00:15
tigelijuhaj: openvpn works00:15
tigelijuhaj: but there is no ui yet for it00:16
tigelijuhaj: so you would need to manage it through fingerterm00:16
tigelior there might be in openrepos00:16
cryoratjuhaj, i thougth you mean app with gui00:16
juhajstephg: I only ever used NFC to unlock the extra levels in Angry Birds, so that's ok. 5 GHz wireless is a real loss: I would need to set up another wifi at home; amoled screen... uncertain if I'd notice the difference but maybe. All in all, does not seem a bad list of losses00:17
tigelijuhaj: https://openrepos.net/content/korppi/securefishnet00:17
paviI have no grudge against jolla or sailfish but coming from firefox os I miss the browser :( Though both are gecko rendering00:17
juhajcryorat: How can there be a gui for a program which is not interactive at all?00:17
paviWhy cant sailfish just port firefox and run it natively , why the heck should some one run androids firefox is just beyond me00:18
tigelipavi: https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/tree/master/design00:18
tigelijuhaj: gui for mgt-purposes00:19
pavitigeli, so with that pictures I will navigate better ?00:19
tigelipavi: maybe :D00:19
juhajtigeli: Oh, so it creates config-files on the fly for different servers or ..?00:19
tigelijuhaj: haven't tested.. :) just pointed out that there is something like that, I personally manage it through fingerterm ;)00:20
pavitigeli, by the way thanks to some good people in maemo forum I was able to change search engine to duckduckgo .00:20
cryoratjuhaj, passwd promt for example (if you have a protected cert)00:20
tigelipavi: yeah, duckduckgo is not yet available by default in the settings00:21
pavitigeli, look at this funny pic https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/blob/master/design/sailfish-browser-15-2.jpg even the devels of sailfish browser wants to download firefox :D00:21
juhajtigeli: On N9 I have it always on. By default it will retry every 5 sec if the connection is down. Hence it is almost instantly on if there is a connection available. Haven't needed to manage it much that way. ;)00:21
tigelijuhaj: well, you can make systemd.service for the openvpn which would retry on failures.. quite easy to do. :)00:22
juhajtigeli: Why? Openvpn does that on its own (unless it's been configured not to do it)00:22
tigelijuhaj: well.. you don't need to :D00:23
juhajtigeli: ;)00:23
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tigelijuhaj: but with systemd it would be manageable ;)00:23
tigelibut yeah.. openvpn works00:23
juhajSounds like it does indeed. I wonder what else I consider crucial that I do not know yet if it works or not… Google calendar sync with multiple "subscribed" calendars?00:24
tigelijuhaj: and now jolla is 249e again on the shop.jolla.com :)00:24
juhaj(I need my team's calendars on my mobile, no way I can properly function without)00:24
juhajtigeli: That's why I'm contemplating! ;)00:25
tigeliiirc it won't work with multiple calendars.. let me check if I can see my wifes calendar00:25
juhajtigeli: You'll need to enable the dav-interface of subscribed calendars on the web, you always had to, even on N9 and Android (I think)00:25
juhajCan't remember where to do that, though...00:25
tigelijuhaj: through google-account.. nope, but through dav it should be possible, however I haven't tested it00:26
juhajhttps://www.google.com/calendar/syncselect00:27
juhajThat's where you need to enable it if you want non-default calendars on mobiles00:27
tigeliyeah.. I don't have her cal enabled :)00:27
tigelibut we do support calDav :)00:28
juhajAnd since I find that link under the subject "Sync your Google Account with an Android device" I presume you always need to go there to do it00:29
juhajOk. I suppose it will work. I'll come complain to you if it does not! ;)00:29
tigelihehe00:30
juhajNow I think I need some sleep…00:30
tigelii should do that too00:30
lpotterme too00:30
tigelilpotter: you just woke up?-)00:30
lpotterno, but it's nearly nap time!00:31
tigelilpotter: btw. did you notice that australia & canada is now enabled for the tablet as shipping country00:31
lpotterindeed I did00:31
tigeli:)00:31
lpotter\0/00:31
lpottergood thing too because I was one of the first :)00:32
tigelihehe, yeah I saw your name on there :)00:32
tigeliI was also fast with it00:33
lpotterotherwise it would have gone through my US address00:33
lpotternow I can finally experience sailfishos :)00:33
tigelibut, now.. I will go and try to keep the bed still.00:34
tigeliit's really hard.. you have to lie on it00:34
tigeli;)00:34
tigelignight00:34
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TimoDoes anyone have XMPP here? Whatsapp just blocked me, so I registered, but now I've no one to chat with so I've no idea whether it works or not. :P08:14
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ryukafalzTimo: yep, I've got XMPP. need to test?08:19
TimoHmm, got to go now actually, but if you could send your ID in a query, yes please!08:19
ryukafalzgotcha - sent08:20
ryukafalzit's 3 AM where I am so I won't be awake much longer, but I'll get to it when I get to it :P08:20
AL13Ni got some XMPP, but what server is it08:21
AL13N?08:21
TimoSure, I'll prolly won't send any messages before 5 P.M. GMT+1 so... ;)08:21
ryukafalzidk which one he's on, I'm self hosting haha08:21
AL13Noic08:21
TimoAL13N: no-sense.net.08:22
AL13Nmine is a gtalk oldstyle xmpp, it seems to work still08:22
AL13Ni didn't know xmpp could be done cross-server08:22
ryukafalzthat's one of the biggest draws of XMPP haha08:22
AL13Nfor real08:22
ryukafalzgtalk is ugly though08:22
AL13Ni don't use gtalk08:23
AL13Ni use pidgin with XMPP08:23
ryukafalz...with gtalk servers? :P08:23
AL13N>_>08:23
AL13Nso, can i test this crosserver thingie?08:23
ryukafalzI bailed when they started "upgrading" people to hangouts08:23
AL13Nyeah08:23
ryukafalzyep - I'll pm you my jid08:23
* AL13N too08:23
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Acce2 % to 30008:44
Armadillohm just another batch activated, but no more news?08:46
chr1stopherhmmm 100$ discount ^^ does this mean a jolla 2 is coming? ;D08:46
Armadillono08:47
chr1stopherbut these discounts are really not very fair for buyers. a model like: the phone gets cheaper 10$ every month would be nice; then people can easier decide08:47
ArmadilloI think they'll lower the price at least in q1 2015 to 249€ in general08:48
Armadilloas this is the normal price in India, too08:48
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chr1stophersounds comprehensible08:51
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Acce3 left from currently featured batch..08:58
chr1stopherAcce: what you talk about?08:58
chr1stopherAcce: tablet?08:58
Accechr1stopher: yep08:58
chr1stopherthere should be enough phones and time for me to think about it, or? ;D08:59
Armadillothere already is a new batch08:59
Acceothers probably already got bored following it :D08:59
chr1stopherjust looking for nokia here maps tests ^^08:59
Acceyeah, the new countries batch08:59
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chr1stopherdoes the nokia here map include live traffic on jolla when you use it as a navi?09:02
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Armadillonot in the native here Maps09:08
ArmadilloI would also appreciate this feature09:08
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chr1stopherArmadillo: that s sad. it seems that here maps in general has this feature.09:12
Armadilloyes, you can use the Android-Version until the Sailfish version suports this feature09:13
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chr1stopherArmadillo: hm yes that would be possible. but then i could stick with google maps as well ^^ or?09:18
chr1stopheri guess i ll stick with my s2 for a little longer and see how long it will work. till now it s fine. even if i would love to "get something new", maybe it s more rationally to not drop a working device ^^09:19
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Armadillosure you can do what you want ;)09:21
ArmadilloI for myself don't want to use Android anymore since my first Sailfish week ;)09:21
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chr1stopheryes the os would be nice09:28
chr1stopherbut paying money for a device that has almost the same hardware specs like mine seems a little bit odd to me09:28
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chr1stopherbut i accept that it is harder for jolla to sell devices for prices like big companies like samsung09:29
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gogetachr1stopher, don't blame yourself and join #sailfishos-porters .... is almost easy port sfa for yout phone09:34
gogeta*your09:34
iekkugogeta, :D09:35
iekkunice idea :)09:35
gogetai've got a bootable thin in 3 hours of compilation09:36
gogeta*thing09:36
gogetai've got also sgs2 but was the enterprise one ...09:36
gogetais not mine ...09:37
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chr1stophergogeta: had this idead as well, but seems to be a lot of work and i just opend a table and the camera is not working on any device yet?09:44
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tbrsomeone asked about the slush video? https://plus.google.com/u/0/109671132288090791453/posts/33FqV79KKff09:46
dr_gogeta86moo tbr09:46
Armadillo3m views Oo09:46
dr_gogeta86but the full ?09:47
Armadillook it's the page not the vid^^09:47
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JvD_300%11:25
ggabrielupdate? :)11:25
ggabrieljolla tablet @ home page of indiegogo too, which is nice11:28
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Stskeepsand intel.com earlier, too11:31
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Stskeeps(north america)11:31
Stskeepshttp://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2014/11/19/world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet-launched-today-from-jolla-powered-by-intel11:31
ggabrielnice11:33
ggabrieli wonder how the new countries will take the new user experience11:33
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ggabrielprolly same as EU11:34
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coderus300%! SO WOW! MUCH HAPPY! VERY CONGRATULATIONS!11:35
Morpog_PCdoge tablet :D11:37
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coderushaha no11:38
coderusbut11:38
coderusJollaTablet: Doge indide :D11:38
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ggabrieluhm... i wonder if it'll stop at 10k like i predicted11:39
ggabrielmaybe not if they keep adding countries11:39
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ggabrieltohkbd also got >1k backers, which is nice11:41
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locusfand a hero :)11:41
ggabrieloh yeah11:41
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coderusbtw, is it known whi is the hero?11:50
Stskeepsi don't, at least11:51
ggabrielbatman11:51
ggabrielcoz batman is rich11:51
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coderusBruce Wayne?12:11
Dicee-yes12:12
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coderussure, he is a hero and rich :D12:14
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JvD_everyone gets batlogo on their keyboard12:28
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coderusJvD_: you wrong, bat logo only on hero edition12:43
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JvD_hero edition has flashlight to light a batlogo on clouds12:48
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onuratihey, anybody has an idea why my Jolla is not detected as a USB networking device, but as a USB mass storage device in Recovery Mode?13:36
Stskeepsthat's .. unusual13:36
Stskeepssure it's the jolla?13:37
onuratiabsolutely. I can see it in dmesg.13:37
ggabrielonurati: if linux, dmesg output [in pastebin or similar]13:37
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onuratihere you go http://pastebin.com/JRfw77J313:38
mad_devAnyone knows where can I find Jolla developers (freelancers)?13:39
onuratifirst, I thought my PC might be missing some kernel modules or so, but if I connect my N9 via USB that is detected immediately.13:40
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powrtochHi guys. Just saw that the phone is €100 off. Will this work with the keyboard coupon code?13:40
Stskeepsonurati: ah, right, it's set to empty target but if you really want you can add a partition under shell13:41
Stskeepspowrtoch: usually you cannot combine rebates13:41
powrtochThough so.13:41
powrtochThought*13:42
tadzikhm, is that a rebate, or a permanent price decrease?13:42
tadzik"Get Jolla and The Other Half Keira Black or Aloe for just €369" -- this tohs sure got expensive :D13:43
powrtochHehe13:43
ggabrielonurati: did you connect the usb cable before or after starting recovery mode?13:44
onuratiStskeeps: How do I do that? Any entry on together.jolla.com that I can read?13:44
* ggabriel remembers that order mattered13:44
onuratiggabriel: after13:44
powrtochhttp://www.thejollablog.com/still-get-100e-discount-buying-jolla/13:44
Stskeepsonurati: it's a echo > somewhere13:44
ggabrielok, you seem to have done things the right way....13:44
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powrtochSeems some were lucky with getting the phone for €150 ;-)13:44
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M4rtinKhmm, memories of the HP TouchPad $150 firesale :)13:46
Stskeepsi still have my touchpad.. maybe i'll make it into a sailfish tablet13:46
Stskeepscurrently it's playing pingu.13:46
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M4rtinKStskeeps: go for it! :)13:47
M4rtinKBTW, it might actually be worthwhile - there still many devs with TouchPads :)13:47
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powrtochDoes the calendar app support CalDav and sync from iCal?13:49
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onuratill /dev/usb14:02
coderusonurati: ok14:04
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onuraticoderus: sorry, wrong console. Trying to figure out how to realize what Stskeeps suggested...14:07
Nicd-powrtoch: caldav is supported14:08
Nicd-don't know about ical14:09
powrtochNicd-: Cheers14:10
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CissWitHi guys, i have a problem when playing some games with ads. When internet connection is lost the connection popup appears every couple of seconds. It makes the game unplayable. Is there a way to turn off this pop up ?15:04
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raa700_flight mode?15:09
fennekkikilling connman would also probably work but that's a bit... overkill15:10
fennekkiI think the connection UI shits itself if connman isn't running15:10
japa-fiI'm seriously considering jolla phone for myself now that it's only 250€. Is the screen prone for scratching? if yes, what would you recomend to cover the shield? (I have N900 and I've managed to scratch the screen with the included pointing stick :( ). Jolla shop didn't have any wallet style phone covers. Any suggestions for such from sources other than jollashop?15:13
powrtochjapa-fi: May I ask what your considerations were for dropping the N900 for the Jolla phone?15:14
japa-fipowrtoch, N900 is nice, but even with general web browsing more and more sites just manage to hand the phone as they require much CPU power to render15:16
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japa-fiThe camera is quite medicore in N900. Not that I use it too often.15:16
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japa-fiI love the keyboard though15:16
powrtoch(I think the Jolla camera might be worse)15:17
japa-fiand all the new hot (and less hot) apps are android/IOS only15:17
powrtochtrue15:17
tadzikjapa-fi: if you find the n900 camera to be mediocre, you will be seriously disappointed, I'm afraid15:17
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japa-fiwow, would have thought camera technology had moved forward since n900 times..15:18
tadzikoptics didn't, especially if you make them smaller15:19
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mornfallalso, sensors are limited by physics more so than technology, at usual smartphone sizes15:19
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japa-fiYeah, that's true. One can't invent photons out of thin air. That is to say: larger lens and sensor area get better images15:20
mornfalltake pics on a lightly overcast summer day and they'll look great on basically any contemporary camera15:20
mornfallenough light gets you most of the way15:21
mornfallfor good indoor photos you'll want something substantially bulkier than a phone :-)15:21
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japa-fiWhen I'm serious about taking pictures, I carry (lug) my Canon EOS 5D15:23
japa-fiwith 17-40mm lens. Nice for wide angle shots, not so nice for your neck and shoulders (after carrying it whole day :) )15:23
mornfallthere are some compact cameras with decent-sized sensors and fast lenses too15:23
japa-fiWhat about the jolla screen, does one have to worry about scratching it?15:24
japa-fiMy N900 has clearly identifiable scratched section where I use the included pointer stick to scroll web pages..15:24
mornfallI'd totally give this one a shot, http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-powershot-g7-x?utm_campaign=internal-link&utm_source=reviews-latest-widget&utm_medium=image&ref=reviews-latest-widget15:25
mornfalljapa-fi: it's probably much more resilient (jolla screen)15:25
mornfalljapa-fi: but it's still not unscratchable15:25
mornfallyou'd need sapphire for that15:25
mornfall(of course sony RX100 III is also totally gorgeous)15:27
japa-fido you use some kind of transparent screen protector? If yes, how much you lose from the touch sensitivity (i mean phone does not puck your touch) are they worth it?15:27
Morpog_PCmy RX100 I is enough for me :D no need for a DSLR15:28
mornfalljapa-fi: I don't, and I'm also more worried about cracking than about scratching15:29
mornfallI already have a hairline crack in the corner (outside of the screen area)15:29
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japa-fimornfall, and you haven't really abused the phone?15:31
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mornfalljapa-fi: the worst it has seen is falling from a bed15:32
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mornfallbut you'll probably have that problem with any glass-based screen15:34
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Morpog_PCI've dropped my Jolla 3 times and no scratch or crack on glas yet15:39
Morpog_PCjust one aluminium corner looks a bit bad :D15:40
japa-fidoes sonos cortoller app work on jolla?15:40
Nicd-after a year with no protective cover I have a few scratches that can only be seen in the right light15:40
japa-ficontroller..15:40
Morpog_PCI never use covers15:40
Nicd-with cover I mean screen protector15:41
Morpog_PCme too :D15:41
japa-filastly: what is the thing your iPhone owning friend mock you and your Jolla the most?15:42
Morpog_PCpure envy?15:43
ggabriellast i was mocked was ease of use of the ui15:43
ggabrielwhich is arguable at best15:43
ggabrielbut that same day i got a lot of respect when i diagonsed+fixed the internet connection of a public place with the jolla15:44
ggabrielthen again, 99.99% of people who see you using a terminal on the phone will be impressed/scared15:44
Sfiet_Konstantinmore scared :)15:44
japa-fimy friend is constatnly trying to brainwash me for iPhone... and makes fun of my ancent and bulky n90015:45
ggabrielwell, let's say they know they can't f*ck with you15:45
Sfiet_Konstantinggabriel: "can your iPhone do patchmanager ?"15:46
Sfiet_Konstantin:P15:46
Sfiet_Konstantinok, they can cydia15:46
Tegujailbreak15:46
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ggabrielyou have to jailbreak+download an "app"+...15:47
Morpog_PCwell, they need to wait months for a working jailbreak nowadays15:47
japa-fimy friend isn't the hacker type. he is totally happy with the cage apple has limited himself to.15:48
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japa-fi"I don't care about privacy as long everything just works"15:48
japa-fiAs for me the app showing where his wife is currently at almost got me virtually to shit in my privacy-pants15:49
japa-fietc.etc.15:49
cb400fguess he doesn't care about price, or freedom or patents or anything else either ;-)15:49
ggabrielwow15:49
ggabrielyou can stalk your own wife these days15:49
japa-ficb400f, you got it..15:49
cb400finteroperability, standards...15:50
* cb400f tries to think of one decent value that Apple doesn't violate15:51
japa-fione can't have one's app in the apple shop if apple thinks the application is inappropriate or if they just dont like the app15:52
cb400fplanned obscelecense/durability15:52
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cb400fright.. censorship/centralism too15:53
cb400fdo Apple have an "openrepos" equivalent? ;-) ... or the possibility to add completely 3rd party hosted repos on a non-cracked phone15:54
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mornfallcb400f: no, and the stated reason (malware) is actually pretty solid16:03
cb400fI'm sure people would install tons of crap, but imho that's better than a world where some centralized corporations decide what people can or cannot install on their computers16:05
secYep, it helps being a walled garden. Compare Apple to Android stores and you'll numbers on malware supporting the Apple walled garden16:06
secs/ll/ll see/16:06
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japa-fiAny of you compared jolla sound quality with ear buds (I refer to listening hi quality 256-320kbs .mp3. if mp3 can ever be considered hi quality...)16:15
japa-ficompared with n90016:15
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mornfallI didn't notice anything different16:18
mornfallalthough more often than not I am on a nokia bluetooth headset anyway16:18
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japa-fiI have westone UM pro 30 earphones. I like how they sound, but unfortunately they also reveal the short comings as well.16:24
japa-fihttp://www.earphonesolutions.com/westone-um-pro-30.html16:24
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CissWitraa700_: i still want to be able to receive calls and sms, i just want to disable internet connection when it's not available.16:25
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pahartikjapa-fi: Transparent screen protector and black protective case for "Jolla Mobile" seem to be easily available at "DNA store" locations, I am using both16:41
Ezkoi got my flip case from verkkokauppa.com16:43
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Ezkothey had them in the store16:43
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Yanielsame here17:19
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Ezkois anyone using skype on their jolla?20:20
Ezkoand if yes, which client?20:20
tigeliEzko: yes, skype android-client20:21
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Teemuoh20:23
Teemucool20:24
Teemuso, should i tell the jolla phone of my accounts and how come the twitter client software doesn't read my account info from system settings?20:24
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NRKADoes anybody know what wifi chip and driver there is in Jolla phone?20:27
coderusEzko: which client? i know omly one client available: official from microsoft :D20:30
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Ezkocoderus: apptoide had all kinds of things20:52
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druberlinhello sailors20:53
coderusEzko: hm, really. never thought there are something 3rd party working :D20:54
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SKyd3RI just ordered the jolla mobile20:55
SKyd3Ryeyyy20:55
SKyd3R:)20:55
Stskeepscongratulations20:56
sec\o/20:56
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SKyd3Rthanks20:57
Ezkocoderus: there probably isn't20:59
EzkoSKyd3R: welcome20:59
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M4rtinKSKyd3R: don't forget to also order the keyboard and tablet when you are at it :D21:19
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SKyd3Rdoes the keyboard worth it?21:34
druberlinSKyd3R: congrats. Had mine for 5 days now. Fucking amazing phone. I had an N9 before and a nexus 4, blows both out of the water :)21:37
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Teemuhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/hannumakarainen/1566831895721:42
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kimmolidodii21:43
Teemumonday moarningu i'll visit snm.fi and fetch a juniper21:44
SKyd3Rcool21:45
SKyd3RI was worried about the specs21:45
Teemudon't worry about the specs21:46
SKyd3Rbut I'm tired about android xD21:46
Teemuthis is the same effect than at end of 1990s when everybody at windos camp was giving away their powerful pc machines because of no more power21:46
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Teemuwell, then open source afiniados like me laughed and got them for free and installed an efficient operating system and ...21:48
Teemuyes21:48
Teemujolla is much more swift than android21:48
Teemualso, metcals are cool, i'm wearing a metcal now21:49
SKyd3R:)21:50
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secI can never understand what people do on a phone that they need more ram than a laptop that's still usable21:52
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Teemuweb21:53
tigeliTeemu: gettings junipers for free?21:53
Stskeepssec: web tabs.21:53
Teemutigeli: sadly no, also the metcal cost us real money21:53
tigeli:(21:53
Teemuwe're giving helsinki hacklab the metcal and its smoke sucker in return for some services in soldering work department21:53
* javispedro knows an old (still ibm) thinkpad user who routinely has ~300 firefox tabs =)21:54
dr_gogeta86hi javispedro21:54
javispedrobasically he uses them as bookmarks :)21:54
javispedrohi hello!21:55
Stskeepsjavispedro: there's a decent steak place lbt knows..21:55
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tigelijavispedro: 23tabs, and 3.3G ram used with chromium :D21:55
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tigeliI don't even thing getting 300 tabs with it21:56
Teemusteak place, in which town?21:56
javispedroStskeeps: excellent :)21:56
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StskeepsTeemu: brussels. fosdem21:56
Teemuha21:56
Teemunvm21:56
tigelimanneken pis21:56
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javispedrotigeli: I've seen chromium using 2G with 20ish tabs too, but I suppose most of it is flash and other gigantic JS webpages21:57
Teemuwordspruit is one of the worst21:57
javispedromeh, the recommended fosdem hotel is already entirely booked out21:58
javispedrodamn you early-planners :)21:58
Stskeepsi should probably book a hotel soon..21:58
tigelijavispedro: yeah, usually js.. :(21:58
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Stskeepsibis brussels off grand place is what i usually use21:59
tigelijavispedro: lots of pages use like 500M of ram for js21:59
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javispedroI also believe firefox is already cheating and dropping tabs on memory pressure... never seen it doing that on my machine, but I never get over 10 tabs =)22:00
tigeliStskeeps: it's not even cold in brussels.. bring a tent ;)22:00
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Stskeepstigeli: i've tried snow in brussels. things just shut down.22:01
Stskeeps:P22:01
javispedroI was at nh atlanta last year, but dunno why, I guess it was a lastminute choice22:01
tigeliStskeeps: hehe22:01
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TeemuStskeeps: i like driving in snow22:01
Stskeepsi don't walking around grand place 3 times while drunk to find my hotel.22:02
javispedrowhat's this 'snow' you speak of? :)22:02
Stskeepswhile it's slippery22:02
tigeliStskeeps: to be honest, the last time I was in Belgium (2years ago) the weather was like now.. and it was damn cold to sleep inside (at the friends attic) as they didn't have the heating on22:03
Stskeepstigeli: you should come to fosdem22:03
Stskeeps:P22:03
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Teemutigeli: i hear they haven't heard of quintuple-glazed windows yet? do they have insulation in the walls?22:04
tigeliStskeeps: well, I'm not now at Belgium.. just checked the weather from internets ;)22:05
tigeliTeemu: insulation.. if you call bricks as insulation22:05
tigeli;)22:05
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Teemuif there are enough bricks to store the heat during all of winter, yes22:06
DrSkyLizardHi, is it true that that first two batches of 1000 Jolla Tablets have passed?22:06
Stskeepsdefine passed?22:06
DrSkyLizardi.e. more than 2 thousand people bought the tablet22:06
Nicd-check https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet22:07
tigeliDrSkyLizard: I think it's more like 5k+22:07
DrSkyLizardIt doens't say that there22:07
DrSkyLizardonly number of contributors22:07
DrSkyLizardbut that doesn't mean they bought the tablet, they could have donated22:07
Stskeepsi am fairly sure that a large majority bought the tablet22:07
javispedrohm22:07
DrSkyLizardguessing is not knowing22:07
javispedrothe original batches have disappeared from the perks sidebar22:08
tigeliDrSkyLizard: it's rather easy to fetch the list of contributors22:08
javispedrosome indiegogo quirk..22:08
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DrSkyLizardThere are only 1585 people shipping on the shipping perk22:08
tigeliDrSkyLizard: well.. people might have read what it says on the perks22:08
Nicd-DrSkyLizard: there were two perks with 1000 amount22:08
Nicd-they both went22:08
Nicd-then there was a 2000 amount perk, that went too22:09
Nicd-so now it's at 417022:09
Armadilloyou missed another 1000 perk ;)22:09
HarhaanJohtajaor 5170?22:09
DrSkyLizardright, cause I heard only the first 2000 will get the tablet ASAP, the others will have to wait until May 201522:09
Stskeepsi'm fairly sure all of them says may 201522:09
kimmolihope they are not built in someones livingroom... (yes, dirkvl upgraded from bedroom...)22:11
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tigelikimmoli: we use bathroom22:11
StskeepsDrSkyLizard2: i'm fairly sure it's all may 201522:11
tigeliyeah.. it was may 2015 for all22:12
DrSkyLizard2http://www.xda-developers.com/android/jolla-tablet-announced/ said " The first two thousand people who helped to fund the campaign will get their tablets once they’re out. The rest will have to wait until May 2015 to finally get the device. "22:12
DrSkyLizard2not sure from where they got that info22:12
StskeepsDrSkyLizard2: no clue22:12
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Nicd-I remember it said may 2015 for all of them too22:13
javispedrohmhm22:13
javispedroinadvertently or not, the 1.0.1i openssl enables elliptic curve support22:14
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javispedroI was about to open a together feature-request for that, so.. thanks :)22:14
tigelijavispedro: done on purpose22:14
Stskeepsjavispedro: i'm a bit puzzled why you have a nonmatching source code22:15
Stskeepshotfix maybe22:15
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javispedroI don't know, do hotfixes update the motd that appears when I login?22:15
javispedrowell, 1.1.0.39 is what the motd AND the settings->upgrade app says, and 1.1.0.39 is what it says on the DVD22:16
Stskeepsok22:16
Stskeepsand you don't use nieldk repos or something like that22:16
javispedronot at all, haven't started hacking it yet and it was a fresh reflash22:17
javispedro(well, fresh from 1.0.5 that is :) )22:17
javispedro(the immediately updated to the opt-in)22:17
javispedro*then22:18
sharpneliSo it's on may? Still time to persuade Jolla folks to base it on Android L! :D22:18
javispedrois it based on android?22:18
Stskeepsjavispedro: guess what i'm blogging about22:18
sharpneliProbably it is22:19
Stskeepsor at least preparing to22:19
javispedroaha, looking forward to it22:19
* javispedro upgrades his jolla to the manually built openssl 1.0.1i, what could possibly go wrong?22:20
Stskeepssharpneli: i just love changing HW adaptation mid way through a project..22:20
mornfallStskeeps: you do, don't you22:21
* Stskeeps shakes fist at ST-Ericsson22:21
sharpneliStskeeps: True. But unlike the previous one (When ES3.0 came out and Jolla had just ES2.0) this time all new android devices are mandated to have ES3.122:21
sharpneliWhich means games will demand it, unlike ES3.0 that had maximum market penetration even on new devices less than 50% or so22:21
Yanieljavispedro: about tracker :P22:22
mornfallsadly, the powervr chip is even more unfree than the adreno in jolla's phone22:22
sharpneliStskeeps: Maybe you could just request updated drivers for 4.4?22:22
sharpneliOr is it one of those "ALL OR NOTHING!" deals?22:23
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tigelijavispedro: if you play with openssl, maybe you should play with j :)22:23
mornfallbut yeah, “open source” :P22:23
tigelijavispedro: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/openssl22:23
javispedroooh, flashy ui22:24
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javispedrogitlab?22:24
javispedroyes22:24
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* javispedro bookmarks22:24
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KabouikI get very bad network in areas where coverage is normally OK. It started weeks ago, and only got worse over time. At first, reboots did solve the issue temporarily. Since two days, it does not anymore: I only have coverage for like a few seconds before I lost it, same for data.23:02
KabouikShould I consider care@jolla.com or is it a known software issue?23:02
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