#jollamobile log for Friday, 2014-12-19

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Toxipanyone here?00:10
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Toxipany idea how to access the nemo folder in recovery? :(00:11
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phaeronToxip: you have ssh to the device ?00:21
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Toxipnvm I found this https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/20251413800:31
Toxip"mount  -o  subvol=@home  /dev/mmcblk0p28 /mnt/home" this particular command is what I was looking for00:32
Toxipbut why does it not let me cancel a command with ctrl+c :/00:33
phaeronToxip: what are you trying to fix ?00:35
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Toxiptrying to backup my data before I factory reset00:38
Toxipall visuals just stopped working after update00:38
Toxipit boots but shows a blank screen00:39
M4rtinKanything in the journal ?00:39
Toxipwhere do I find that?00:41
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phaeronToxip: can you ssh to the device after it boots to black screen ?00:43
ToxipI'll just do the factory reset... I have littered the whole system in one year anyways :P00:44
M4rtinKBasilSemuonov_: just sent a reply to your mail :)00:44
Toxipoh yeah, I didn't try ssh over wifi00:44
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kelvanseems the my system is completly f*cked up now after the upgrade01:19
Toxipkelvan: same here... but I blame only myself for not disabling patches01:20
Toxipcurrently reinstalling all patches01:20
kelvanToxip: never done any of this patching stuff01:20
kelvannor the opt-in01:20
kelvannevertheless it screwed up like hell01:21
Toxipif you don't need patchmanager, don't install it01:21
kelvanToxip: never did01:21
Toxipgood... just saying... What's wrong?01:21
Toxiphow exactly did it screw up things?01:22
kelvanwell, I have no idea, as it does not show anything suggesting an error01:22
kelvanit just doesn't boot01:22
kelvanor it does not boot gui01:22
Toxiptry recovery mode01:22
kelvanconnected over ssh and rsynced home, tried zypper ref / dup, after many upgraded packages it just shows no space on device error for essential packages, but thats plain BS01:23
ToxipI had a similar problem... gui just stopped working01:24
Toxipbut it happened after I was messing around01:24
kelvantried to clean cache and reload repos, but it seems it is already in an quite unconsistent state01:24
Toxipnot sure if it was because of the update01:24
phaeronToxip: did you try updating using zypper ?01:24
phaeronkelvan: what does zypper dup say ?01:24
Toxipno... I didn't bother. I just decided to clean the whole thing with a factory reset01:25
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kelvanref says:01:26
kelvanUnexpected exception.01:26
kelvanReceive: script died unexpectedly01:26
kelvanHistory:01:26
kelvan - [11-Resource temporarily unavailable]01:26
kelvandup shows the packages to update, but after confim:01:26
kelvan[jolla|plugin:ssu?repo=jolla] Can't provide file './qt/armv7hl/dconf-0.18.0+git2-1.1.4.armv7hl.rpm' from repository 'jolla'01:26
phaeronhm01:26
phaeronkelvan: did you check btrfs disk space ?01:26
kelvanyes01:26
kelvanmore than ennough space01:27
phaeronusing df or btrfs ?01:27
kelvanData, single: total=13.08GiB, used=10.98GiB01:27
kelvanSystem, DUP: total=8.00MiB, used=4.00KiB01:27
kelvanSystem, single: total=4.00MiB, used=0.0001:27
kelvanMetadata, DUP: total=330.00MiB, used=231.56MiB01:27
kelvanMetadata, single: total=8.00MiB, used=0.0001:27
kelvanbtrfs01:27
kelvanrun into the df showing wrong stuff on my desktop pc, was quite painful :D01:27
kelvanthere was a bug harmattan showing completly wrong df01:28
phaeroncan you try zypper clean -a01:28
phaeronthen zypper ref -f01:28
phaeroncheck journalctl for errors01:30
kelvanoh crap, killed ref with ctrl+c now zypper explodes on every command01:30
kelvanerror: rpmdb: Thread/process 25070/1101651968 failed: Thread died in Berkeley DB library01:30
kelvanerror: db4 error(-30974) from dbenv->failchk: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery01:30
kelvanerror: cannot open Packages index using db4 -  (-30974)01:30
kelvanerror: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm01:30
kelvanTarget initialization failed:01:30
kelvanRpm Exception01:30
kelvanCannot clean installed packages cache because of an error.01:30
kelvanSome of the repositories have not been cleaned up because of an error.01:30
phaeronok one second01:31
kelvanjournal is flooded with alien errors and qt couldn't mix01:31
kelvanalien_init uses up to 100% cpu01:31
phaeronrpm --rebuilddb01:32
kelvan[root@Jolla nemo]# rpm --rebuilddb01:33
kelvanerror: rpmdb: Thread/process 25070/1101651968 failed: Thread died in Berkeley DB library01:33
kelvanerror: db4 error(-30974) from dbenv->failchk: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery01:33
kelvanerror: cannot open Packages index using db4 -  (-30974)01:33
kelvan:(01:33
phaeronls /var/lib/rpm/01:33
kelvanBasenames     Dirnames  Installtid  Obsoletename  Providename  Sha1header  Triggername  __db.002  __db.00401:34
kelvanConflictname  Group     Name        Packages      Requirename  Sigmd5      __db.001     __db.00301:34
phaeronok now carefully: rm /var/lib/rpm/__db.*01:34
phaeronthen rpm --rebuilddb01:34
kelvanseems to work, rebuild in progress01:37
phaeronok after it is done try zypper ref -f01:38
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kelvanphaeron: db rebuild is quite slow, thx for the help, hope rebuild finishes before i fell asleep01:50
phaeronkelvan: the other processes must be stealing cpu01:52
phaeronkelvan: just be patient :)01:52
kelvantried to renice alien_init, but not possible, lowered the nice value a bit of rpm01:53
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phaeronkelvan: you could stop alien01:57
phaeronkelvan: systemctl stop aliendalvik.service01:57
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kelvani was to afraid it would get worse if i kill alien :) but worked01:58
kelvandon't see much difference in speed01:58
kelvandb is 10mb no was about 1901:59
Toxipfinally update done02:02
salyavinNow be sure to set an alpha-numeric PIN for saftey ;P02:02
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salyavinu10 seems a little more aggresive on killing things than I remember.  Killed Tweetian and tt-rss.  Maybe trying to stop from the poor responsiveness before.02:07
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kelvan[root@Jolla nemo]# zypper ref -f02:19
kelvanUnexpected exception.02:19
kelvanReceive: script died unexpectedly02:19
kelvanHistory:02:19
kelvan - [11-Resource temporarily unavailable]02:19
kelvanagain02:19
kelvanphaeron: do you have another tip?02:23
phaeronkelvan: errors in the journal ?02:25
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kelvanDec 19 03:14:55 Jolla ssu[4723]: [F] QObjectPrivate::QObjectPrivate:203 - Cannot mix incompatible Qt library...50202)02:25
kelvanDec 19 03:14:55 Jolla kernel: ssu(4723) send signal 6 to ssu(4723)02:25
kelvanDec 19 03:14:55 Jolla kernel: zypper(4713) send signal 13 to zypper(4713)02:25
kelvanDec 19 03:14:55 Jolla kernel: zypper(4713) send signal 9 to ssu(4723)02:25
kelvanand battery related stuff02:25
phaeronhm02:28
phaeronbad situation02:29
phaeronso basically only part of Qt was updated02:31
kelvanjup02:32
kelvanare there many packages?02:32
phaeronyou probably need only a couple to get out of this02:32
kelvanmaybe its possible to load them with wget and use rpm directly02:32
phaeronyes02:32
phaerontrying to get you urls02:32
kelvanthx a lot02:33
tadzikwow, glad I didn't try that alphanumeric unlock yet02:35
phaeronkelvan: curl -O 'https://releases.jolla.com/releases/1.1.1.24/jolla/armv7hl/qt/armv7hl/qt5-qtcore-5.2.1+git11-1.18.3.armv7hl.rpm'02:35
phaeronbetter to pastebin the list02:36
phaeronsec02:36
phaeronkelvan: http://pastebin.com/whxqAvEy02:38
phaerontadzik: it only happens if you switch back and forth multiple times02:39
tadziknot too interested in alphanum locking anyway, I'll pass :)02:40
phaeronkelvan: there is one more https://releases.jolla.com/releases/1.1.1.24/jolla/armv7hl/qt/armv7hl/qt5-qtxml-5.2.1+git11-1.18.3.armv7hl.rpm02:41
phaeronhopefully should be enough to make ssu work and thus zypper works02:41
kelvanthanks a lot, downloaded, will try to install02:41
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kelvancurl doesn't handle redirect and loads html files, using wget works, but shows odd cert warning02:44
phaeronah curl would need -L02:45
Toxipdoes anyone else notice lagging when scrolling lists?02:47
Toxipin the new update02:47
Toxipor more like stuttering02:48
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phaeronkelvan: how is it going02:58
kelvanref -f worked with some errors, like Repository 'xt9' is invalid.02:58
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kelvanno qt errors in log02:59
kelvandup is working hard02:59
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kelvanadaptation0/1 invalid, not sure if they are essential02:59
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phaeronkelvan: hm03:01
phaeronkelvan: stop the zypper dup03:01
phaeronthose are essential03:01
kelvanError building the cache:03:01
kelvan[|] Valid metadata not found at specified URL(s)03:01
kelvanWarning: Disabling repository 'aliendalvik' because of the above error.03:01
phaeronjournal errors ? (after stopping the dup)03:02
kelvanno errors03:02
kelvanonly from store-client and batterytracker03:03
phaeronkelvan: what does store client complain about ?03:04
kelvanDec 19 04:02:54 Jolla dbus-daemon[947]: Activating service name='com.jolla.jollastore'03:04
kelvanDec 19 04:02:54 Jolla invoker[6632]: error: Failed to initiate connect on the socket.03:04
kelvanDec 19 04:02:55 Jolla store-client[6601]: [W] QEventLoop::QEventLoop:105 - QEventLoop: Cannot be used without...ation03:04
kelvanDec 19 04:02:55 Jolla store-client[6601]: [W] QDBusDefaultConnection::QDBusDefaultConnection:1067 - QDBusConn...have.03:04
kelvanDec 19 04:02:55 Jolla store-client[6601]: [C] unknown:0 - Failed to create display (No such file or directory)03:04
kelvanDec 19 04:02:59 Jolla dbus-daemon[947]: invoker: Invoking execution: '/usr/bin/store-client'03:04
kelvanDec 19 04:02:59 Jolla dbus-daemon[947]: invoker: error: Failed to initiate connect on the socket.03:04
kelvanDec 19 04:02:59 Jolla dbus-daemon[947]: invoker: warning: Booster silica-qt5 is not available. Falling back t...eric.03:04
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phaeronnot useful with the text shortening03:05
phaeronwhat does it want to do if you try zypper in -f store-client03:06
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phaeronyou can use pastebin if it is long03:07
kelvanhttp://pastebin.com/cNgUdrZs03:07
Turskikelvan: umm.. so is this after rebooting after upgrade?03:20
Turskiit's perfectly normal to have those errors during upgrade03:21
phaeronTurski: his upgrade failed and left system inconsistent03:21
Turskioh03:21
Turskisounds nasty03:21
Turski(been there done that)03:21
kelvanI think we are on a good way fixing it03:22
Turskineed to read backlog03:22
kelvanhope connman upgrade/reinstall dows not kill my wifi :D03:23
Turskiwell, you can always set up usb networking ;)03:26
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salyavinAt least my u10 upgrade went fine, no wifi issues either.I'm04:04
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kelvanTurski: the no space left error was legit after all, stuff like btrfs getting a bit complicated, even btrfs df shows inadequate values :(04:59
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Turskikelvan: i've been confident from the beginning that btrfs was a bad move for major fs...05:01
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Turskikelvan: I haven't been brave enought to move to btrfs on my desktop machine even...05:02
Turski(i'm running linux on 4 machines)05:02
kelvanwell, it has really awesome features, I'm using subvolumes a lot05:03
Turskiit's not stable enought05:03
Turskiat least on linux 3.405:03
kelvani'm currently on 3.1705:03
Turskii'm currently on 3.1805:03
Turskijolla has 3.405:03
Turskiand recent changes are about impossible to port to 'historic' kernels05:04
kelvannotebook and desktop, plus storage disks using btrfs, if there is not too much data on them it works good05:04
Turskithere has been majo improvements after 3.4, but jolla can't benefit from those05:05
Turskis/jolla/sailfish/g05:05
Turskii believe btfrs was majorly a bad move made at a time of intel meego05:06
Turskiand it wasn't possible to wait for maturing it after that beforfe releasing sailfish05:07
kelvanwell most embedded device can't, 3.4 is lts, not a bad choice to use this version, but tricky if btrfs is essential05:07
Turski3.4 is the version Qualcomm is supporting05:08
Turskinot much luck for later05:08
Turskiit's sad that supporting native drivers is too much effort (considering intel based tablet)05:09
kelvanhave to compile newer kernel soon for my olimex, sunxi 3.4 kernel not even support btrfs, aes or ipv605:09
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Morpog_Jollaall those people with black screen after update.... I guess thats btrfs being full allocated.....05:59
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salyavinMaybe some check could ne done by the update btrfs fi df /  amd not even download if not enough06:14
salyavinExplaining balance and such to users I have no idea about06:15
salyavinregular linux power users or above sure easy06:16
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kelvansalyavin: well btrfs di df / is not sufficient as i just found out the hard way, showed me enough free space and stuff, but crashed nevertheless with no space left on device ;)06:37
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coderusbtrfs fi show?06:42
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salyavinshows much less info about metadata and such coderus06:45
salyavinhmm if I can't trust that I don't know what to think kelvan06:46
salyavingot me by on servers with TBs of space but a phone is so different06:46
salyavinsmaller and can't just balance as you like06:46
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salyavinbug Chris Mason I guess06:47
Waiteenotifications twitter stops working :P06:47
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salyavinu10 Waitee?06:49
Waiteeyup06:49
Waiteehad the problem at least since u806:49
salyavinworked for me on u906:49
salyavinneed to test on u1006:50
Waiteewell it ust occasionally stops working in a way it doesnt accept any gestures and only shows the top of the list06:51
Waiteejust*06:51
Waiteeand the problem solves with reboot06:51
Waiteetwitter still updates new tweets but i cant scroll the list, tap tweets or access the pulley menu06:54
skvarkI have had the same problem too06:57
skvarkin u906:57
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salyavinone single test I did on u10 worked07:09
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Waiteeit happens just occasionally07:12
Waiteenot everytime07:12
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FireFlyMmm, u10 is smooth as butter so far07:53
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Morpog_Jollasmooth, but the oom killer is prezty agressive08:08
Morpog_Jollapretty08:08
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andybransonit's lovely :)08:10
andybransonjolla.com/updates needs updating though08:10
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MiskiIs there a recommended charge time for the first charge before starting to use the phone?08:13
Jopemeh08:13
Jopethat's an old legend08:14
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MiskiJope: most of the gadgets I've bought in recent years recommend 12 or 16 hours or something08:14
Jopethat wasn't strictly true even in the nimh/nicd times08:14
Jopesure08:14
Jopeeveryone still recommends it08:14
Jopeperhaps one of these days someone will tell me why08:14
Jopethe batts are preconditioned at the factory08:14
Jopethe only reason I can come up with is that they want you to charge it all the way at least once. :-D08:15
Miski...That's not necessarily a bad reason :D08:15
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temmi_fooespecially with li* chemistry the batteries come from the factory already at between 60% and 100% charge and should hit the consumer with 50+% unless things go bad in the supply chain08:18
temmi_foobut yes everyone and their dog recommends first charging the device and then powering it on, with the bold ones suggesting you might actually power the thing up sometime during the first charge08:20
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JopeI remember one Nokia 101 NMT phone I had in the 90s .. the battery had a sticker "precharged at the factory" :-D08:25
Jopethis is a very very persistent legend08:25
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ursbad charging electronics may profit from it, so they can measure their "full" reference voltage more precisely08:32
ursbut I assume that with the manufacturing precision of today's batteries, that won't really be neccessary anymore.08:32
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temmi_foothe chargers also detect fullness from other things than just the instantenous voltage08:35
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c0ck4m0u53can someboyd chech whats the version of glibc package on u10?08:58
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stephgglibc-2.15-1.3.1.armv7hl09:00
c0ck4m0u53stephg: thank you09:00
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sledgesto all still Jolla-less UK folk out here: https://twitter.com/sledgeSim/status/54587654185159884809:43
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ilpianistathe messages cover UI has a black background...is this intentional?09:47
ilpianista(after update to 10)09:47
Waiteenot with my phone at least09:48
giucamilpianista: no, but if you find a way to reproduce it ping me09:48
ilpianistagiucam: reproduce? it happens every time09:49
giucamilpianista: until you close the app09:49
giucamnote that closing messages doesn't really terminate the process09:49
giucamsame with the dialer09:49
ilpianistaso, should I reboot?09:49
giucamor you can kill jolla-messages09:49
* ilpianista doing latest09:50
ilpianistagiucam: fixed :-)09:50
giucam"fixed" :P09:50
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ilpianista:-P09:50
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mekluit probably failed to acquire the gl context then? :P09:52
giucamit's not that09:52
mekluwell, certainly an interesting bug nonetheless09:54
mekluI think I had some weird theme issues when I launched some GUI stuff with devel-su off the terminal09:54
meklulike the background of the ambiance wasn't there09:55
mekluiirc09:55
giucamif you don't use invoker that's expected09:55
giucam(kinda)09:55
Waiteeoh man10:03
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Waiteethe twitter notifications bug is more frequent now than with u810:04
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andybransonilpianista: that's listed in the known problems i think10:05
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andybransonin 'Other issues' in the release notes: Sometimes Messages and Phone app show black active covers10:06
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ilpianistaah I see10:06
ilpianistamissed that10:07
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Nicd-hey, how does the "silence call/alarm by turning phone" work if my phone is already upside down?10:12
Nicd-do I then turn it screen up and then back down?10:12
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andybransonlove the update guys: well done getting it out before xmas10:16
andybransoni can now go into full sales mode with friends and relatives over the holidays ;)10:17
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Nicd-andybranson: just don't use the alphanumeric lock... :)10:19
Nicd-because the update was pulled because of that10:19
andybransonyes I saw that. i haven't dared use the device lock on this phone at all yet. too dangerous :P10:19
Nicd-nah, just put in 50 or unlimited tries10:19
Nicd-and don't forget it10:20
* gexc felt luck for not trying out the alphanumeric lock LOL10:20
* ilpianista too!10:20
andybransonwasn't the problem just that it's possible to disable the alphanumeric lock while still having letters in your unlock code?10:21
Nicd-something like that, the end result is having the number keypad and no way to enter characters10:21
fluxa bit annoying something like that would've slipped through, I suppose it only seems a more apparent thing to try out just afterwards :/10:22
gexctime for T9 input?10:22
andybransonso i think it works, but it won't stop you doing silly things. seems fine to test (as long as you have balls of steel)10:22
fluxgexc, you mean it would predict your password based on t9 input?-)10:23
fluxwith tohkbd we will get two-token authorization: first you need to have the keyboard to write the password.. :)10:23
andybransonah that's a solution for anyone in a mess with the alpha lock then - just wait for your tohkbd to arrive :)10:24
SQUelcherflux: of course, but t9 is switched to a random language on every try ;)10:24
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temmi_foot9 pretty much sucks large mammals on languages like finnish where words morph and inventing new word on the fly is more common than flies10:47
Stskeepswe need f10:47
Stskeeps910:47
spiiroinNicd-: 1st you need to be in state where: alarm/call is ringing, display is on and front face up; then turning device front face down -> snooze/ignore10:49
Nicd-ok, so I would turn it screen up and then back down10:49
spiiroinyes10:49
Nicd-ok, good10:51
mekluthe trick with t910:56
mekluis to spell syllables with it10:57
meklunot words, just syllables10:57
mekluit's pretty amazing at that10:57
mekluway faster than swypes and touchy feely osks10:57
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Milo-The glance-screen ( https://together.jolla.com/question/937/glance-screen/?answer=50215#post-id-50215 ) doesn't seem to work after update:11:18
Milo-s/:/./11:19
jc-dentonHi can you help me setting up app deployment for my jolla phone.11:19
jc-dentonI can connect via ssh to it but not deploy apps11:19
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jc-dentonhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/9568817/11:20
jc-dentonSo I tried just to get the mediagallery project running on my phone.11:20
jc-dentonand yes this path is missing on my phone.. but why does it not create it11:21
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jc-dentonhumm seems like I am having a monologue here11:25
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TemeVhow did you try to deploy it?11:27
TemeVcopying binary or as rpm?11:27
jc-dentoncopying binaries11:28
jc-dentonas it says on the developer guide11:28
TemeVtry the rpm method11:28
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TemeVI've had trouble getting things to work with copying binaries sometimes11:28
jc-dentonah and then it will unpack and run the rpm on my phone?11:28
TemeVyep11:29
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jc-dentonand opt only contains alien on my phone11:29
jc-dentonAt least it takes longer now..11:31
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jc-dentonCool it works now!11:33
jc-dentonThank you!11:34
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TemeVnp11:38
TemeMilo-: for me the glance screen was actually activated before, and after u10 it had gotten a tutorial telling me "sneak peek is shown when the device is uncovered"11:40
Temewas a bit surprised because the release notes didn't mention adding that, maybe it was part of u9 already (i didn't opt-in)11:40
inzyes, it was part of u911:42
Temeanyway Milo-, i can confirm it's still possible to make it work11:42
Wntthe tutorial was part of u9, but there still is no way to enable the glance screen from the settings :D11:43
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jc-dentonWhat I also wanted to ask..11:47
jc-dentonis it a good idea to first create a complete qt / qml app and later port it to sailfish / Jolla?11:48
Nicd-Milo-: glance screen works fine for me11:48
TemeVjc-denton: depends what your goal is11:48
TemeVif you want to make app for sailfish only, why not do it straight to sailfish11:49
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mekluI couldn't get the binary copy to copy over all my other binaries in /usr/libexec/ :D11:50
mekluor one binary, rather11:51
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jc-dentonok11:52
minimecMilo-: I cannot confirm that. I have glance screen working after u9 -> u10, but I remember that I had to change some settings after u8 -> u9.11:52
jc-dentonWill first have to get familiar with qml only11:52
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mekluthe application in question is not your usual mobile app though11:54
kimmoliiekku: ping, can you query status... please11:54
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perwilleCould someone point me to a howto on compiling cli tools for sailfish?11:55
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coderusperwille: howto on cli?11:56
coderuslogin to mer vm via ssh and compile using mb/mb211:56
coderusmb build -t SailfishOS-armv7hl rpm/package.spec11:57
coderusmb2 same11:57
coderusor sb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl inside mer vm11:57
coderusand do ./configure && make here11:57
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perwillecoderus: thanks11:58
minimecMilo-: I modified glance-screen behaviour like this asfter u8 -> u9 update: "mcetool --set-lpmui-triggering=from-pocket,hover-over"11:58
coderusmb using ~/rpmbiild folder, mb2 using shadow build11:58
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JvD_\o/ just got shipping confirmation on my second jolla phone12:02
kimmoliJvD_: now you need some tohs for it ... vink12:03
JvD_=)12:03
Milo-like a keyboard12:03
perwillecoderus: the vm is listening om localhost:2222? It seems i need a ssh-key?12:04
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kimmoli\SailfishOS\vmshare\ssh\private_keys12:05
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mekluow ow ow12:05
Milo-minimec ah, it seems to be working nicely when taken off the pocket, but not when flipped on the table12:05
iekkukimmoli, i assume guys are bit busy with release12:06
meklukimmoli: that is one funky basename12:06
perwillekimmoli: thanks12:06
Milo-or when waving my hand at the sensors12:06
minimecMilo-: so you need to add that 'hover-over' option... ;)12:06
Milo-ack :)12:06
kimmoliiekku: ok, i guessed that (but i'm too impatient)12:07
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kimmolimeklu:  ?12:07
meklu% basename "\SailfishOS\vmshare\ssh\private_keys"12:08
meklu\SailfishOS\vmshare\ssh\private_keys12:08
meklu>:C12:08
kimmoliwhats wrong with that?12:09
meklu% basename /foo/bar12:09
meklubar12:09
mekluwho has a file with that sort of name around?12:09
Milo-minimec --set-lpmui-triggering=from-pocket,hover-over had no effect12:10
Milo-or maybe it just takes a while to start working12:10
mekluminimec?12:10
Milo-because it started working immediately after I said it doesn't work :P12:10
minimecmeklu: yes?12:10
mekluoh, oops :D12:11
mekludidn't realize that was addressed to someone12:11
Milo-minimec cheers :)12:11
mekluthought that was used on the CLI instead of mcetool >.>12:11
minimecMilo-: I took that command out of my bash history. That one should work. You have to wait some seconds after the screen goes blank to be able to 'hover-over' the sensor.12:11
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Milo-meklu: alias minimec='mcetool' :)12:12
minimecMilo-: I see ;)12:12
Milo-the awesome thing about ranting is that it always solves everything12:12
meklusome good ol' rubber duck debugging on live guinea pigs12:13
Milo-everything starts to work perfectly after you rant about it12:13
meklualthough this is more of a variation thereof12:13
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coderusperwille: https://sailfishos.org/develop-faq.html12:32
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PaulePanterMy Jolla does not offer me the update to 1.1.1.26 yet. :(12:33
SceltPaulePanter: https://together.jolla.com/question/71741/release-notes-on-hold-software-version-11126-vaarainjarvi/12:34
mekluits distribution was halted after they found a bug with the alphanumeric lock12:34
mekluit only gives you the number keypad if you set an alphanumeric code12:34
mekluwhich makes it un-unlockable12:34
coderuswow, such a new bug: https://together.jolla.com/question/71900/11126-cleaning-of-clipboard-crashes-android-apps/12:37
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tadzikso *that* is why even restarting dalvik didn't help...12:39
tadzikheh, "sms message" :)12:41
tadziklike Personal PIN Number12:41
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tadzikoh, 2 alternative music players update on the same day12:42
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perwillecoderus: Says it all, thanks - how did i miss that12:42
PaulePantermeklu: Thank you! Too bad.12:43
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mekluis there any way to adjust the port of that web interface?12:51
mekluI already have apache on 8080 at home12:51
mekluseems pretty silly to use such a common port for that12:52
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Nicd-what interface?12:53
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mekluhttps://sailfishos.org/images/sdk_control_devheaders.png12:54
Nicd-ahh12:54
Nicd-maybe ask on #sailfishos ;)12:54
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clauhmm, where should this Utilities menu be? I can't see it in Settings -> System13:24
clauI'm talking about the latest update13:24
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Plntclau: settings -> system -> utilities works for me on the latest update13:25
clauthere's no such menu on my phone13:25
j-dogeclau: it's in Settings/System under Info, but you have to download it from Store before it gets there13:25
clauoh, ok13:25
clauI thought it comes straight with the update13:25
claualso, Settings is really laggy for me :\13:26
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j-dogeclau: in Store, its name is Sailfish Utilities13:26
clauhow is it called in Store?13:26
clauok13:26
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Scelthas anyone else blank cover for phone app in u10?13:27
claushouldn't the utilities appear in Jolla Essentials?13:28
WaiteeScelt: its a known bug13:28
j-dogeclau: it's not a Jolla app (although at this moment in practice it is), it's meant to be a community-driven tool13:28
j-dogethus it's not a Jolla Essential13:28
SceltWaitee: oknp's13:28
clauI see13:28
clauyes, I have it now. thanks13:29
clauand Settings is getting more responsive also13:29
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Teguupdate on tjc: the alphanumeric lock will be reverted https://together.jolla.com/question/71741/release-notes-on-hold-software-version-11126-vaarainjarvi/13:31
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Toxipso why exactly is this update on hold?13:38
Toxipbecause of screens going blank?13:38
flanagno13:38
Toxipalphanumeric lock?13:38
Nicd-yes13:38
Nicd-it makes phones unable to be unlocked13:38
ToxipI noticed many people ran into the same problems as I did... the screen just went blank13:38
Nicd-there is a situation where you can set an alphanumeric code but you only get the numerical keyboard13:38
Nicd-then you can't unlock it anymore13:39
ToxipI see13:39
fluxI have a feeling u10 takes more battery than u8 :-o13:41
fluxit's already at 52% at this time of day, it usually isn't that low13:41
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Waiteei think about the same with my heavy use13:41
phdeswerflux: that's because you have been using it the whole time to find out what's new ;)13:41
flanagflux, could be because of this? https://together.jolla.com/question/72139/bug-android-is-constinuosly-consuming-cpu-since-update-10-1126/13:42
flux..though, it could be I needed to replace the use of android di.fm client with the jolla one, and I run it for about 20 minutes on the mornings13:42
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fluxwell, firefox does take cpu, but it did that with u8 as well13:42
fluxiirc something like <1%, though13:42
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andybransonif someone has updated to u10 previously, and set a lock code with letters, then installs the hotfix, will they be in trouble?13:50
louisdkI keep getting premission denied trying to ssh to my Jolla. I've installed u10, enabled dev mode and both my Jolla and Linux laptop is on the same network. Password is set.13:51
andybransondoes the hotfix check for that on install?13:51
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Nicd-kimmoli: how can you translate vaarainjärvi to strawberrylake? that doesn't make sense :P13:57
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kimmolivaarain = vadelma13:57
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Nicd-but vadelma is raspberry13:58
kimmoliäh13:58
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flanaghaha13:58
Nicd-also didn't know vaarain is vadelma :o13:58
flanagneither did I13:58
locusfwat, in what dialect is that13:58
Nicd-I thought it came from vaara -> vaarain = of the vaaras13:58
flanagwell it comes from that13:58
Waiteevaarain could also be "vaarojen"13:58
flanagyeah13:58
Nicd-"Vadelma (vaarain, vaapukka, vattu)"13:58
kimmolii intended to write rapsberry, but PEBCAK13:58
WaiteeNicd-: was faster13:59
Nicd-finnish is too damn ambiguous13:59
Waiteeyeah13:59
mekluat least some parts are less ambiguous than a host of other languages14:00
meklu:P14:00
flanagvaarainjärvi "the lake of the forested hills"14:00
Waiteeor dramatically "the lake of dangers" :D (not very likely)14:00
flanagnow I know that Vaarainjärvi is in Raahe14:01
flanaglearning something from these updates :p14:02
kimmolibut based on location of that lake, it has nothing to do with "vaara"14:03
flanagyou mean danger?14:03
kimmolino, the "forrested hill"14:03
flanagah14:03
kimmoliridge forrester-lake14:03
oh8gnzhmm.. when that update has come?14:04
oh8gnztoday?14:04
kimmoliit is on hold14:04
flanagyesterday but it's on hold14:04
kimmoliyesterday14:04
oh8gnzon hold?14:04
flanagyeah14:04
flanagbecause of a bug14:04
oh8gnzwhy my phone is downloading it?14:04
Waiteeyeah, one part didnt work14:04
oh8gnzso I shouldn't install it?14:05
Waiteeapparently they solved the issue or withdrew the alphanumeric lock14:05
flanagthere's no announcement14:05
oh8gnz1.1.1.2614:05
Waiteeyeah but dont use the keycode screen lock14:05
flanaghmm, I wonder if it's available for me too14:06
oh8gnzshould the old one work?14:06
Waiteeno idea14:06
oh8gnzif I don't change anything14:06
oh8gnzonly numbers on screenlock?14:06
Waiteesomething wrong with the passcode locking14:06
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kimmolibetter not to try at all ...14:07
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kimmoli""14:08
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kimmoliUnfortunately, those who have already locked out from their phone will need to contact Care. Depending on the situation, they may be able to help you out without needing a visit to the service centre.14:08
kimmoli""14:08
Waiteeouch :D14:09
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Waiteeglad i dont prefer locking my phone14:09
Temepardon the internet meme but: #rekt14:09
Temeso glad i didn't try it out just a few days before christmas and extensive traveling :D14:10
Tememy fallback is a 9300 communicator14:10
phdeswerkimmoli: well if you're a bit handy the recovery works. But factory reset is no fun...14:12
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kimmoliphdeswer: luckily i'm happy with digit-lock14:12
kimmolijust saying that 1.1.1.26 is safe to download and install, but dont try alphalock, it may ruin your xmas14:13
flanagit might be better to just wait for this: "19.12.2014 Update: We are reverting the alphanumeric lock code feature from the release and are preparing to roll out the hotfix __during today__."14:16
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andybransonsorry to ask again, but if someone installed u10 yesterday, set an alphanumeric passcode, and then installs this hotfix with the revert, will they be locked out of their phone?14:34
flanagthe hotfix isn't released yet so I don't think that question can be answered14:34
andybransonwell it was more a question to the people preparing the hotfix, to make sure the hotfix doesn't cause even more people to need jolla care14:35
flanagah yeah14:36
joonahoiI've downloaded the update already, but not yet installed, the option to check for new updates is replaced by < Install > - option, so...umm...14:38
flanagyou can install it, just don't enable alphanumeric passcode14:39
flanag*the alphanumeric passcode14:39
joonahoiyup14:39
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oh8gnzit seems that this vaarainnarvi works a bit faster than uitukka14:52
Tegubut it is a bit dangerous, as the name suggests ;)14:53
Teguor maybe the name reflects dangerous times14:53
oh8gnzyes... or small hills14:54
Tegu..or that :P14:54
inz"Small hill" -- to us finns they are mountains ;)14:54
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fluxso, my u10 jolla-messages is taking 1.0% cpu. what gives?15:26
fluxuptune 18 hours, it has taken 17m27s cpu time -> 1.5% continuously15:28
fluxI cannot imagine that's great for battery.15:28
TemeVoh8gnz: "a bit" is quite an understatment :)15:28
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TemeVfor me it is a lot quicker and responsive15:28
Teguwhat about u8 -> u10?15:29
Teguhow does it compare?15:29
Stskeepsflux: screenshot15:29
Stskeepsof it in cover mode15:29
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fluxin cover mode?15:30
Stskeepsmultitasking view15:30
teveis it normal that ofonod crashed with sig11 on first boot after u10 update?15:31
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phaeronteve: phone calls work ?15:32
teveyep15:32
phaeronthen just ignore it :)15:32
fluxstskeeps, what possibly use could the cover screenshot have?-)15:33
fluxwell, gave you one in a message15:34
phaeronflux: it has a significance if the cover is wrong and it is displaying something else.15:37
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fluxhmm, actually I wonder if crest has somehow a different view on things than 'top'15:39
fluxcrest crrently says 0.6%, but 'top' doesn't mention it15:39
fluxlighthouse does list jolla-messages15:40
fluxis top worse or better than the rest?-)15:41
fluxwell, I suppose it should be easier to analyze now that systemtap is in the default kernel..15:42
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TeguI wondered whereabouts the sailfish update name lakes are, and made this with the help of google maps and järviwiki :P https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=z0oNognW_C3M.k4nK9LCtdqMQ16:14
xfade_Tegu: Cool :)16:15
attahTegu: Crap.. seems to be no hidden illuminati symbols or suchlike16:15
Teguattah: actually I wanted to see if tehre are some jokes hidden, too :D16:15
attah:)16:15
Yanielat u42, connect the dots and it is a badger?16:16
Miskioh, the phone turns on automatically when attached to a charger for the first time16:17
MiskiWell, that certainly solves whether I'll charge it before turning it on :)16:18
Yaniel:D16:18
Teguand also had a random idea if it's feasible to travel to every one of them and take a picture of the lake with Jolla :D but probably not doing it16:18
Yanielwould make an interesting roadtrip for sure16:19
sledgesinternal releases have pirate jokes16:19
Yanielsomething one would do "because I can"16:19
xfade_sledges: I do wonder about those.. ;)16:20
Yanielsledges: I would actually be disappointed if they didn't16:20
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flanagheeey hotfix released16:21
flanaghttps://together.jolla.com/question/71741/release-notes-software-version-11127-vaarainjarvi/16:22
Tegufor u9 users and the first ones16:22
Teguat first16:22
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flanagwhy's that?16:22
Yanieljust downloaded16:22
Yanielthats how it usually goes16:22
flanagthey shipped the initial update 10 for everyone16:22
flanagdidn't they?16:22
MiskiTegu: excellent idea for a road trip!16:22
Yanielnope16:22
Yanielthey took it offline before everyone could get it afaik16:23
TeguMiski: funny and diverse at least :D but maybe not in the release order :)16:23
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flanagyeah but it was meant to be for everyone16:23
Yanielfirst ones and opt-in people could get it though16:23
flanagwell, it doesn't matter, I'm on U916:23
Yanielyes16:23
tigeliflanag: we always release for the first-ones first16:23
tigeliit's not like "open the flood gates"16:24
flanagyeah, I've noticed that, tigeli :)16:24
flanagare you still expecting some problems because the rest of the users will get it on monday?16:25
MiskiTegu: yeah, maybe not :D16:25
tigeliflanag: nope16:25
xfade_flanag: no, but we want weekend too ;)16:25
flanagheh16:25
flanagnice to hear, I'll update right away then (I'm on U9)16:25
Miskiumm... I typoed my wlan password and now it won't let me input a new on (during the first boot setup)16:25
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xfade_Miski: any other wlan nearby?16:26
tigeliMiski: wep-encryption?16:26
Miskixfade_: none I have access to16:26
Miskitigeli: wpa2-psk16:26
xfade_Afaik when you tap on a random one, and then go back it might work16:26
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Miskixfade_: ok, thx16:27
tigeliMiski: hmm weird.. I guess that's 1.0.0.5 software version?16:27
tigelican't fix the older ones :D16:27
xfade_If this is the case, then skip the whole setup.16:27
xfade_And in settings connect to wifi16:28
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flanagif I download the update now, will it first download .26 and then update it to .27 hotfix with the alphanumeric lock code removed?16:28
Miskitigeli: no idea, first boot on a phone with manufacturing date of 04,201416:28
flanagthis suggests it'16:28
flanag*it's like that: "The rest of our users will receive 1.1.1.27 directly on Monday without the alphanumeric lock code feature."16:28
tigeliMiski: ok.. it should have re-request the passwd. Need to check that on coming weeks.. if there is a bug in that16:28
Miskitigeli: but going back from the network selection and then selecting "create jolla account" again let's me reinput the pw16:29
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tigeliflanag: you will get .27 directly16:29
flanagtigeli, that's what I thought16:29
flanagthe sentence is just a bit misleading there16:30
TMavicawhy not with hotfix of clean clipboard problem...16:30
flanagprobably not enough time to fix that before the weekend16:31
ilpianistawhich are the 2 bugs fixed with 1.1.1.27? one is alphanumeric code, but the other one?16:32
xfade_ilpianista: That is the only thing16:32
ilpianistammm16:33
flanagilpianista: where did you read there would be 2 bugs fixed?16:33
Miskibah, either I keep typoing my pw or the phone doesn't like my wlan. Rebooting router -->16:33
ilpianistaflanag: xfade_ sorry I misread the changelog news16:33
ilpianista*one* bug, spotted by *two* users16:33
TMavicaany way to fix the android crash after cleaning clipboard temporarily? without reboot16:33
xfade_TMavica: restart alien?16:33
TMavicaif confirmed is nil help16:34
TMavicarestart alien service, the android apps also will autoshutdown16:34
TMavicaif confirmed is nil help16:34
xfade_Or do as the doctor says: "Docter, it hurts when I push here"16:34
TMavicait16:34
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Miskinope, not connecting to my wlan. "Valittuun verkkoon yhdistäminen epäonnistui". And for some reason Jolla says it's wpa-psk, though I'm fairly sure it's actually wpa2-psk16:44
tigeliMiski: connman does not differentiate wpa or wpa216:45
tigeliMiski: and it is not hidden network?16:45
Miskitigeli: no16:45
Miskilet's see if pure N-mode works better (after that pure G, I guess)16:47
tigeliMiski: hmm.. would need the logs to actually to tell why it does not connect but you could bypass the wizard and try to connect via settings16:47
tigeliMiski: do you have multiple ap's?16:47
locusfhrhm I cant enter lock code at all after 1.1.1.2716:47
Acceuhhhh16:48
tigelilocusf: ?16:48
AcceI better not update then16:48
Acceyet16:48
locusfthe keyboard is visible but I can't enter the numbers, it doesn't react to my touches16:48
locusfah fixed it16:48
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locusfjust had to swipe up to lockscreen16:49
locusfphew16:49
phaeroncome on :D16:49
tigelilocusf: stop scarying us :D16:49
Miskitigeli: not enabled. I have 2 wireless networks configured in the router, but only one is enabled16:49
locusflol sorry :)16:49
* phaeron pushes locusf off a cliff16:49
tigeliMiski: that should not be a problem16:49
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locusfI hope this doesn't happen to anyone else16:50
locusfit can be quite scary if one doesn't figure to enter the lockscreen before the numpad16:50
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MiskiAnd now it connected.16:54
MiskiI guess changing it NG -> N -> G -> NG helped?16:54
tigeli:D16:54
Miskitigeli: thanks for the help :)16:54
tigeliit should work in any case16:54
tigeliMiski: it could have been connman doing it magics16:55
Miskiit seems to, now :)16:55
oh8gnzTemeV: it was safe first impressio16:55
oh8gnzn16:55
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flanagUpdate finished succesfully, thanks a lot everyone working at Jolla! Yet another great update! :)16:55
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MiskiAre the shop.jolla.com account and jolla-account the same, btw? Should I be logging in with an existing account rather than creating a new one?16:57
tbryes16:59
xfade_Miski: unfortunately they are not16:59
tbrhm?16:59
xfade_Miski: We still need to implement that some day :(16:59
tbroh, I misunderstood16:59
Miskixfade_: ok, so creating a new account it is then :)17:00
xfade_If you use the same email then maybe one day, we can link them ;)17:00
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xfade_tbr: one of the services we haven't linked yet.17:01
oh8gnzdownloading hotfix17:02
tbrxfade_: I only remembered that I did have a jolla account prior to having a device for some reason, but that was probably somehow linked into the firstone stuff17:02
phaeronit's not very hot17:02
oh8gnzhope that it fixes lockscreen17:02
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xfade_tbr: preorder campaign probably17:03
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tbryes, I guess that made me think so17:03
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xfade_tbr: that used a different service than current shop17:03
tbraaaah17:03
Teguoh8gnz: disable the alphanumeric lockscreen before updating if you have not yet done it17:03
Teguoh8gnz: it says so in the TJC page17:04
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Miskinow it's updating :)17:05
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coderuswell, it says "tool for changing devicelock code to alphanumeric will be released later"17:14
coderus"Those who already have enabled alphanumeric code right after update10, and want to revert back to numpad, a cmdline tool can be provided"17:15
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ccha2hello, I think there is regression bug, wifi doesn't detect/connecte on hidden SSID.17:55
ccha2someone got this problem ?17:56
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r0kk3rzccha2: if its your access point, turn off hidden SSID18:00
r0kk3rzits like, anti-security18:00
r0kk3rzeven worse than mac filtering18:00
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ccha2hidden is worse then not hidden ? or just same thing? That's 2 different points18:07
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Lipevakala_locusf: Had same lockcode broblem allready with u10. Latest fix did not help before i pulled battery and sim for some minutes. Now again smooth and im verry happy. (was very slow, took ewen 5 minutes before i numbers were regstered and phone did not find sim icon)18:10
r0kk3rzhidden is worse than not hidden18:10
r0kk3rzit causes your phone/laptop/whatever to broadcast your SSID wherever you go18:10
locusfLipevakala_: ok, good :)18:12
r0kk3rzwhich a malicious AP can pick up, and pretend to be your home wifi, and get your device to try and auto-connect to it18:12
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ccha2http://www.fixedbyvonnie.com/2014/08/3-reasons-why-hiding-wireless-ssid-bad-idea/18:17
ccha2:)18:17
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r0kk3rzyeah basically, its at best pointless and at worst causes you to be a target18:20
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Andy80hi20:23
Andy80how is it possible that my Jolla still doesn't see the update?20:23
Yanielare you either one of the first ones or have you opted in to u9?20:23
Andy80no20:23
Yanieland have you manually told it to check for updates20:23
Andy80yes, I'm checking from the menu20:24
Yanielupdates are rolled out in stages of a few hours20:24
Yanielfirst to the first ones, a few hours later to people who have opted in to unstable updates, then to all20:24
flanagwell, U10 will be released on Monday for "the rest"20:25
Andy80I will try again tomorrow then.... or on monday20:25
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Yanielreasons for this are that early adopters and unstable users know what they are doing (or should at least) and are quick to report bugs20:26
Yaniellike happened this time20:26
tigeliyes, users are unstable :D20:30
Yanielbeware of the nightly users20:33
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r0kk3rztigeli: you guys should use the 'developer updates' option in sfos to pre-release updates21:06
r0kk3rzso we can help you find the broken things, and fix them21:06
Yanielyes21:06
TemeVthere is also the opt-in system21:06
Yanielwhy doesn't that use the settings GUI?21:07
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r0kk3rzyeah im not sure what that setting in dev options actually does21:07
r0kk3rzit says it wants extra permissions from jolla21:08
Nicd-it's for jolla employees21:09
cvp_r0kk3rz, you meen in develovers-mode ?21:10
M4rtinKit is still there ?21:10
cvp_need user/password21:10
M4rtinKI though it was removed in one of the early updates21:10
cvp_like fr SSU21:10
r0kk3rzit was when i was looking the other day21:10
M4rtinKoh, interesting21:10
Nicd-M4rtinK: it's there. it was *fixed* in one of the early updates :P21:10
r0kk3rzNicd-: they should open it up to non-employees then21:12
Nicd-dunno21:12
r0kk3rzextended rc testing21:12
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Yanieltest-public21:12
aard_the 'developer updates' option will eventually be used for providing RC access to developers21:13
Nicd-like app devs?21:14
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r0kk3rzaard_: dooooeeeeeettttt21:14
Yanielwhat are you waiting for?21:14
aard_we've had a tiny beta program with a handful of people for a while to test if/how that works21:14
Yanielbeing able to switch between stable and bleeding edge (like almost git) would kick ass21:14
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beidlYaniel: I wouldn't that imagine to be easy though. think about things like changes in database structures that certain software could rely on21:15
Yanielsure21:15
aard_you would not be able to switch. some of the problems currently are getting feedback from the RCs (if we can't properly go through the feedback it's useless), also it's a liability risk if you brick your device with it, so we need to do some work there as well21:16
r0kk3rzYaniel: not sure about switching as such, more likely once you're on an RC you're stuck until the next proper21:16
attahIt's time to kick ass and brick phones... and I'm all out of ass..21:16
beidldamn I hate opt-ins21:16
Stskeepsbetter bricking phones than dealing with buggy code21:17
aard_starting with update 11 we'll do a short optin phase towards the end of the release cycle, though, before pushing the update out to everyone. I mentioned it shortly in a community meeting, and will probably post the full announcement about that next week21:17
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r0kk3rzif you guys can provide some de-brick tools that would be great too21:18
xfade_plenty of bricking opportunities then ;)21:18
xfade_r0kk3rz: factory defaults? :P21:18
cvp_xmpp problem is not fixit in 1.1.1.26/27 with ejabberd :(21:18
Stskeepsat least i'm working hard on de-bricking being a LOT saner on tablet..21:18
attahnice! i suspect there might be more funny business going on out in the community since it's x8621:20
beidlStskeeps: usb host mode in EFI?21:20
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attahbtw.. who is responsible-ish of the SDK? or is that confidential? ;)21:22
attahjust want to make sure my email to dev-support made it up the chain before the upcoming release...21:24
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Stskeepswell, send a mail to developer care21:27
Stskeepsbeidl: well, not having tried it i kinda would expect that works..21:27
attahi did, no response yet though21:27
attahthe thing is that the qt creator uplift borked OS X 10.6 compatibility and the fix *should* be easy21:28
attah(disable c++11)21:28
beidlStskeeps: as long as the storage block device can be exposed I'm a happy dd-camper21:29
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beidlalthough, mentioning "sane" and "dd" in the same sentence is kind of a crime...21:29
beidls/host mode/accessory mode/21:32
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salyavincvp_ I use ejabberd what's busted?  I just chatted with my wife via my ejabberd server.21:59
cvp_and xmpp internal client or a extra app ?22:00
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cvp_salyavin, https://together.jolla.com/question/69266/create-a-xmpp-account-are-broken-in-11039/22:01
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salyavinThere are no extra apps I'm aware of22:01
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salyavinI'm not creating acconts OK.22:03
salyavinor do you mean on the phone22:03
salyavinwell I did that on an earlier version.  Didn't add in u9 or u1022:04
cvp_on jolla22:04
cvp_u9/u1022:04
cristiI'm now running zypper update from recovery mode after the update procedure failed22:04
cristiis there anything serious if I see messages like warning: /var/cache/zypp/packages/jolla/non-oss/armv7hl/lipstick-jolla-home-qt5-0.23.20.11-10.62.1.jolla.armv7hl.rpm: Header V3 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID f2633ee0: NOKEY22:05
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phaeroncristi: it's not serious, which version were you updating from and how did it fail ?22:17
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salyavinchatting works but I guess not adding ejabberd accounts then.  That would really annoy the heck out of me too if I didn't already have my xmpp accounts added.22:18
cristiphaeron: I noticed it while recovering the fauled update to the latest version22:18
cristifailed*22:19
cristimany packaged complained like that22:19
phaeroncristi: it's not serious as I said22:19
phaeroncristi: but I am interested to know how your update failed.22:19
cristiok, thanks22:19
cristiI started the update then went out and let it do its thing, when I was back I saw an error message22:20
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cristithen I rebooted and the phone only showed the Jolla logo and a blinking white LED but the screen was black22:21
cristiI then looked it up and found a way to connect to it over telnet in rescue mode and to run a shell22:21
cristiI mounted it, did chroot and executed zypper update, which had 124 or so packages to update22:22
phaeronhmm :(22:22
phaeroncristi: which version were you coming from ?22:22
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cristiprevious22:22
phaeroncristi: opt in or previous u10 or what ?22:23
cristiI did an opt in to the previous version22:24
cristiphaeron: I hope this helps, http://nopaste.info/bd52ef804d.html22:24
cristithat's pretty much all the update22:25
cristiI still have some packages like openssh and friends, ruby and nmap that won't update22:25
cristibut those aren't critical22:25
cristido you need anything else you could use for debugging before I can try  to reboot it?22:26
phaeroncristi: you can reboot22:27
phaeronafter that /var/log/zypp might be interesting to see22:27
cristiok, fingers crossed :)22:27
cristithere's only /var/log/zypp/history22:28
phaeroncristi: yes that22:28
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cristiphaeron: can you accept with DCC?22:30
phaeroncristi: I wonder if that still works :)22:30
cristiseems stuck22:31
phaeronseems not22:31
cristiI will nopaste it as well22:31
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KabouikI was in U9 opt-in and got a notification for the U10 update tonight. I tried it, it took VERY long (like more than an hour) and I left the phone working and when I came back, it said something like "Update failted, the phone will reboot now"22:34
KabouikIt rebooted, but I just have a black screen, not the PIN code one22:35
KabouikAny ideas?22:35
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phaeronKabouik: can you ssh to device ?22:36
tiwakeis there a place that jolla is actively showing the development of the tablet?22:37
Stskeepstiwake: blog.jolla.com22:38
tiwakealright22:38
Stskeepsand here, in my frustrated comments.. :P22:38
tiwakeheh22:38
KabouikNope phaeron, not without any special method anyway (perhaps I shoult start in that recovery mode I don't know how to enable)?22:38
Stskeepshttps://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-hardware-adaptation-team-day-zero-bootstrapping/22:38
Stskeepsmore to come22:38
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tiwakeStskeeps: oh, thats a picture of you?22:39
tiwakeeek!22:39
tiwakeerm22:39
Stskeepsi'm in both pictures.22:40
tiwakeI mean22:40
tiwakeyou look alright22:40
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tiwake:P22:40
phaeroncristi: have you followed some instructions that Kabouik can do ?22:40
cristiKabouik: looks much like what I ran into22:41
KabouikYou solved it cristi?22:41
crististill at it, btrfs "disk full" issue, although I have 4GB free22:42
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cristitrying now to free some metadata22:42
cristihttps://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-computer-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/22:43
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Teguooh, that jolla blog post looks like an interesting post. gotta read22:43
cristilook at the answer posted by Malkavian there (rated with 6 points) ^^^^22:43
cristiI did that and managed to finish zypper update, now fighting with btrfs22:44
ortylphi, can anyone tell me where can I get Midnight Commander build for Jolla? Is there a proper 'official' repo for basic tools for working on terminal?22:46
cristiortylp:  I have it installed22:46
cristiI think I took it from some of the warehouse repos...22:47
cristiit looks like it's coming from jolla: mc-4.8.13-10.45.1.jolla.armv7hl22:48
ortylpcristi: can you trace from which repo it comes?22:48
cristiVendor: meego22:48
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cristiRepository: openrepos-NielDK22:48
ortylpcristi: I see, so it is not anything official :(   thanks for the hint anyway22:50
cristiwell, does it matter?22:51
cristithis is a community project :)22:51
M4rtinKPeople Powered ! :)22:52
M4rtinK(just like Soylent Green ;-) )22:52
ortylpcristi: if it is not 'blessed' by Jolla, then I'll build it from source myself22:52
cristifeel free22:53
ortylpI just got used to debian/ubuntu repos, there is very seldom anything missing22:53
ortylpcristi: I do not have to feel free, I am free :D22:54
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cristiKabouik: how is your recovery going?22:59
KabouikThanks for the link cristi! I'm trying the Malkavian solution but I'm stuck at the "Do in the computer" section, cause I'm on Windows23:00
cristiyeah, in linux it's easier23:01
KabouikI have no idea how to do it23:01
cristican you boot a linux rescue image or so?23:02
cristilike a livecd23:02
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KabouikYeah I could but seriously, nothing simpler? :(23:02
phaeronKabouik: there's this internet sharing option23:03
cristiI said the same... this kind of issues shouldn't happen in the first place :(23:03
KabouikHow phaeron?23:03
cristiKabouik: you need the USB networking first23:03
phaeronI haven't used windows for years23:03
ortylpmaybe linux installation within Windoof (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wubi)?23:03
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cristiKabouik: see here for some windows instructions: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/20220876323:04
cristijust don't use the full reset, use the shell instead and then resume from the other howto23:05
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KabouikI don't understand, I'm already in shell23:06
KabouikFollowing the Malkavian's how to23:06
KabouikBut I'm stuck at the internet sharing step23:06
cristiok23:06
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phaeronKabouik: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/using-internet-connection-sharing#1TC=windows-723:06
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KabouikI can't manage to make it work apparently phaeron :'23:17
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phaeronhe left :(23:24
ortylpStskeeps: thanks for sharing these insights on the blog :)23:26
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Stskeepsthanks, more to come23:27
ortylpStskeeps: where are you geographically reachable if I would offer you a beer or two? :D23:28
M4rtinKStskeeps: also thanks for the technical & buzzword free blogpost! :)23:28
Stskeepsortylp: poland23:30
ortylpStskeeps: how far from Trójmiasto?23:30
Stskeepswell, i'm in warsaw23:30
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* Stskeeps loves how a 2K ambience looks..23:31
ortylpStskeeps:well, then next time maybe, I am on average once in two years in your area.23:32
Stskeepsnod23:33
Stskeepsmight go to seaside again this summer23:33
ortylpThere was some kind of SailfisOS/Jolla conference in planning, is there any progress?23:33
cristiStskeeps: I just read your blog about the tablet HW adaptation, and I am a bit puzzled by the fact that those intel drivers are android-only...23:33
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ortylpwell, I am at the seaside each year in winter :-|23:34
Stskeepscristi: you can probably get a lot working with v4l2/kms/gbm/mesa but then you'll spend more time on working on platform specific bits and getting specialized in that, than working on experience..23:35
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Stskeepsi had phrased it better on thursday or wednesday but the blog blew up and didn't save my comment23:35
Stskeepsthe moment you then move on to a better platform, all that work is lost23:35
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Stskeepswhile with android hw adaptation we only get better the more platforms we support..23:36
cristiI see23:36
M4rtinKStskeeps: sure, but I still can see people doing just that :)23:36
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Stskeepsi'll encourage people to23:36
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M4rtinKI guess that as long as you have some support from the vendor, even the wrapped Android blobs are fine23:39
M4rtinKbut I would still worry about the usual abandoned binary blobs none one knows the workings of but you need to use at it is the only driver that supports the given device :)23:40
M4rtinK*no one23:40
Stskeepsnod23:40
M4rtinKwhich might also have some fundamental issues that simply can't be worked around and there is no one to fix them :)23:41
Stskeepsfor everything you don't take from a vendor it means you have to support them yourself if they break23:41
Stskeepsor doesn't reproduce in what they provide23:41
M4rtinKthe SGX blob on the N900 being a "nice" example23:41
cristithe thing is that if you have libhybris the vendors will be happy enough to just give you the android blobs, since that would be good enough for you23:41
cristithey will never make an effort to provide native linux drivers23:42
Stskeepscristi: i don't disagree, but i've tried the other route too23:42
M4rtinKsure, but I'm afraid that without libhybris there would be no "you" :)23:42
M4rtinKin the current state of things23:42
Stskeepsonce you have volume, you can talk23:42
cristiindeed23:42
M4rtinKalso there seems to be some more willingness to open source more stuff, even for android drivers AFAIK23:43
M4rtinKso if the source is available, I guess you can at least fix the blobs or "real" non Android drivers can make use of it or something23:43
Stskeepsand if it gives me hardware that's really capable at a 50 eur pricepoint vs millions of dollars in NRE to make sailfish native drivers..23:43
ShadowJKDo I understand this correctly? libhybris: you get drivers for one or two vaguely relevant kernels, while paying some reasonably amount of moneys. No libhybris: You pay ludicrous amount of money and you get one driver for a single, mostly irrelevant, version of kernel?23:44
Stskeepsnot 100%23:44
Stskeepslibhybris: you get driver matching a heavily modified kernel while being able to leverage existing android hardware system; no libhybris: pretty accurate23:45
Stskeepslikely23:45
Stskeeps:P23:45
Stskeepsif you get it at all23:45
ShadowJKright23:46
cristifor jolla it makes complete sense to use libhybris, it's just not helping much the linux drivers situation at the moment...23:47
ShadowJKSo upgrade path is pretty much blocked either way23:47
Stskeepsit isn't23:47
Stskeepsthat battle died with meego from big chipset vendor pov23:47
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Stskeepsbut it'd be silly to kill dream of non-android-ios-windows phone OS'es because of inability to get graphics drivers23:48
ShadowJKfor sure23:48
Stskeepsmeanwhile: https://together.jolla.com/question/72373/to-have-an-user-interface-which-minimises-bad-radiation/23:48
cristiit's in everyone's interest to have a single driver to maintain, and as long as android has >80% market share that's the ovbious choice23:48
ShadowJKAs a regular user, I wonder why I can't install android on my Lenovo Tablet, or why I can't install windows on my Asus tablet, etc :P23:48
Stskeepsfrom our pov libhybris is pretty much 'one driver'23:49
Stskeepswhich is very useful at times23:49
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ShadowJKMinimizing radiation, from my POV, pretty much goes hand in hand with minimizing power user23:50
ShadowJKuser*23:50
M4rtinKactually I think the forced dependency on a single kernel version is a bigger issue than the binary Android drivers23:50
ShadowJK....  U S E *23:50
StskeepsM4rtinK: well23:50
Stskeepsi got a bit different perspective on that after we tried to upgrade n900 with the same people who had made the patches in first place23:51
Stskeepsit's ****** hard.23:51
Stskeepswe even tried to go the full-upstream-only route23:51
ShadowJKThough... I'm not all too familiar with the "electrosensitive" community, does frequency matter? Can we get frequency information from the cellular modem? It'd also help in deciding what kind of booster antenna to purchase :>23:51
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M4rtinKI guess I'm kinda spoilt by the situation on the desktop :)23:52
Stskeepsyes23:52
KabouikSorry cristi, phaeron, got an Internet issue23:52
Stskeepsi hope systemd guys realize too that desktop is a rarity at some point and understand old kernels are still very much in use23:52
Stskeeps3.4/3.10 specifically23:52
KabouikIt seems that whenever I enable internet sharing on Windows for RNDIS, then I lose my internet connection :/23:52
phaeronKabouik: playing with internet settings to get sharing ? :)23:52
KabouikIndeed :<23:53
cristiKabouik: try sharing the other interface23:53
M4rtinKat least there is now the Server Base System Architecture (SBSA) initiative to force some sanity in the 64 bit arm world23:53
cristinot the USB one23:53
ShadowJKSystemd guys accomodating real life, or user opinion? Oh my gosh, you're totally fucked if you're relying on that.23:53
StskeepsM4rtinK: which nobody uses in mobile though23:53
Stskeeps:P23:53
M4rtinKbut I guess that still won't help in the mobile realm23:53
KabouikI did too, but then I can't telnet with the Jolla anymore23:53
M4rtinKit is called Server Base :)23:54
M4rtinKyeah, I'm afraid the current insanity will just go on even on armv823:54
ShadowJKhey, question, will jolla tablet have houdini? :-)23:54
cristiKabouik: the thing is windows might set another IP subnet on the internal interface23:54
M4rtinKmaybe at least with device tree this time23:54
StskeepsShadowJK: you have some android-intel tablets ooi23:55
Stskeeps?23:55
ShadowJKwhat does ooi mean?23:55
Stskeepsout of interest23:55
ShadowJKyes23:55
cristiKabouik: try to set a secondary IP on either the jolla or the windows USB interface23:55
cristiKabouik: so the subnets would match23:55
StskeepsShadowJK: what happens if you frantically tap volume up and plug in usb, when device is totally powered off?23:55
cristiKabouik: then telnet to that one23:55
KabouikYes it puts tje RNDIS to 1168.1.137.1 cristi, but I tried setting it to 10.42.66.66 back: no sucess. The network is still displayed as unidentified, so no connection to the Recovery console23:55
ShadowJKStskeeps, uh, never tried it23:56
M4rtinKoh! I thought ooi is is something like calling "hey!", maybe in Finish or something :)23:56
ShadowJKBut it kinda sounds like the procedure for accessing restore menu on my windows tablet23:56
StskeepsShadowJK: let me know if it throws you into uefi settings23:56
Kabouik192.168.137.1* sorry23:56
ShadowJKwill do23:57
ShadowJKAs a sidenote, Unity (One of the popular graphics/game engines on PC) has an ARM port.23:57
cristiKabouik: don't change the windows one, try adding a second IP on the jolla23:58
ShadowJKThe Arm/android port isn't complied for x86, and crashes :)23:58
KabouikCan't add second on Jolla (RNDIS network, right?): no option for that. But I tried to change the primary one.23:58
cristimy device just rebooted successfully, yay! :D23:58
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ShadowJK... The linux 64 bit port of unity is apparently rock solid. The 64 bit port of unity for desktop windows, is unstable. The mind boggles :D23:58
cvp_coderus your mumpen64 ist working well ? :D23:59

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