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thpsalyavin: gpodder.net support is probably the next gap to be filled in the gpodder 4 feature list, next release will only have basic sleep timer and playlist support, though.07:04
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salyavinHi thp, thank you so much.  gpodder.net support is nice but can certainly wait.  Lack of playlist drives me crazy that is what I really needed now.  Thank you for working on it.07:21
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ruskieand mom's jolla ordered yay07:59
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salyavinNice, hope she likes it.08:02
ruskiewell she had like 2 worth of hands on time with mine a couple of days ago08:03
ruskieerm 2 hours08:03
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japa-fi_Just got a second jolla (for my dad). His UI has differences which I don't even know that I've set. on my phone, pulling down from the lock screen there is only one option: "silence sounds". Oh his, there is setting, camera, phone, silence sounds08:33
japa-fi_How can I get the extra items to my phone?08:33
tadzikit's enableable in settings somewhere08:34
tadziksince one of the last updates it's not the default, but it stays there if you used it before08:34
Nicd-settings -> system -> shortcuts08:35
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japa-fi_Ok, thanks08:36
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japa-fi_Any "must do" thinkgs for non-power user? Already updated the OS, added aptoide store + some basic apps.08:39
Nicd-backups08:39
japa-fi_backups seem to require memory card. Need to purchase one...08:40
japa-fi_Can they be scheduled or something. I don't trust my dad's memory08:40
jcbjoe_what time is it in fineland ?08:40
Nicd-they don't require a memory card but of course it would be better to copy to external memory08:40
Nicd-jcbjoe_: 10:4008:40
jcbjoe_am ?08:41
Nicd-japa-fi_: can't be scheduled with the UI atm08:41
Nicd-jcbjoe_: of course, we use 24-hour clock :)08:41
jcbjoe_wow you guys are husseling and busseling right now while the US is sleeping right ?08:41
jcbjoe_i should be sleeping right now08:41
japa-fi_Nicd-, bootmenu with N900 was excellent. I assume this backup just makes copy of the application data, not a backup to recover entire phne08:42
Nicd-jcbjoe_: at work, yeah08:42
Nicd-japa-fi_: afaik it's not a system level backup, just user data08:42
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Miskijapa-fi_: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/201804906-How-do-I-make-a-backup-and-restore-it- lists the things included in the backup09:08
Miskithere were a couple of things that surprised me, like for example it backs up MMS messages, but apparently not pictures/music/other media in the MMS messages09:09
warfareanyone here that can me help getting started with the sailfish-sdk on macosx? I'd like to rebuild gpodder from sources.09:09
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warfareThanks, got it working.09:20
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ruskiehmm I've noticed i keep switching ambiances a lot on my jolla... just because I like all of them for some reason hehe09:53
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Waiteei rarely switch ambiances10:00
Waiteei mainly just use a sea view ambience i made in the summer10:01
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chem|stcybette: thanks for letting me know, something seemed off, just wanted to let you know10:06
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cybettechem|st: nod, it's a valid concern, thanks for pointing it out :)10:15
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chem|stwell you already knew that the counter is buggy^^10:25
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chem|stMiski: that sounds plain dumb... what do I need the text of an mms message... it is the media you send mms for in the first place10:38
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Miskichem|st: yeah, I agree11:07
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Shihua_next moth will have update?12:06
Nicd-what do moths do with updates?12:06
Shihua_sorry,month12:07
Shihua_my12:07
Nicd-well, I sure hope it comes out next month12:07
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Shihua_en,will have lance screen?12:09
Nicd-the phone already has glance screen12:09
Nicd-just has to be enabled on the command line12:10
Nicd-haven't heard that it would be getting an official setting in the next update12:10
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Shihua_I know throught terminal.But I want offical's that12:11
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Shihua_In China,so many functions is troublesome.12:13
Shihua_So i hope jolla do something for chinese user.12:14
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Shihua_input mrthod make me troublesome.12:16
Shihua_just a little .12:16
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Shihua_the lexison is incomplete12:19
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chem|stNicd-: is LPM in any way reliable? I'd think it will cost a lot of battery13:00
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Nicd-it doesn't eat battery that much because it's not always on13:00
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xehbitLPM ?13:11
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fluxhmm, I didn't remember enabling glance screen from command line13:13
flux(and Jolla doesn't have really a low-power-mode-capable display like n9 did)13:14
fluxit was a great feature, even though quite underutilized :/13:14
Jope_you need oled for that..13:15
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fluxyep13:15
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JopeI'm not that excited about oled myself.. it looks nice when it's new but they suffer from burn in problems13:16
fluxthe only downside of the display as far as I can see was its pentile pixel arrangement.. possibly cost as well.13:16
Jopehated the low res pentile as well, yes13:16
JopeI want my pixels square :-D13:16
fluxaren't there non-pentile oled displays for mobiles?13:16
fluxwith Memory In Pixel13:17
JopeI'm not sure.. but thinking about the more modern samsung devices, the dot pitch is so small that the pentile doesn't irritate me as much13:17
Jopemy eyes are just too sharp for the n9 display13:17
fluxI suppose pentile is great for natural images, less so for computer-generated13:17
Jopecould be, yes..13:17
fluxit's like hardware-jpeg.. :-)13:17
fluxor analogue jpeg13:18
coderusNew RandomKeypad patch: http://pic.twitter.com/9easTji2Un13:25
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kimmolicoderus: again i did see that the girl has boner13:32
Jopequite a stainless steel one too13:32
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Nicd-xehbit: what we call LPM is the glance screen in jolla13:37
chem|stNicd-: how do you disable that sneakpeek notice?13:42
Nicd-turn off the LPM mode13:43
flux"LPM" by virtue of having dim backlight and use it only for a short time.. not sure if I can agree with the term ;)13:43
chem|stNicd-: ok so it is unfinishe^^13:43
Nicd-chem|st: how so?13:43
Nicd-there's just no UI toggle for it13:43
chem|stNicd-: no I mean the notice that I have to double tap...13:44
Nicd-oh that, I've never seen it13:44
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Nicd-so I guess it's autodisabled after a while like all other help notices13:44
Nicd-at least I don't remember seeing it but maybe it was there for a few times and I just don't remember13:45
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chem|stah yeah it is gone after a couple of times...13:47
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tadzikcoderus: that's a pretty cool idea13:50
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kimmoliPaint 0.6.6 fix in harbour-store. Just small fix to dave your day.13:51
kimmoli*s13:51
coderuskimmoli: yeah, thanks, it asked for update about hour ago :)13:52
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kimmolii just noticed that it has been approved13:52
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coderusyeah, lack of email notifications in harbour s***s13:55
tadzikI wonder how mazelock will react to something like 4565413:55
coderuswhy the hell this easy feature can't be implemented?13:55
coderustadzik: normally13:56
tadzikcool13:56
coderustadzik: it allow you to enter number twice, just not after same number13:56
tadzikfair enough :)13:56
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TemeVcoderus: did you try making it a vkb, I mean entering letters13:57
TemeVafaik the backend supports any characters but the ui is lacking13:57
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coderusTemeV: and after removing patch you will get dummy device because you can't enter your code :D13:58
tadzikhuh, patchmanager won't start13:58
meklu15784263913:58
mekluthat's the maze I used to use on android13:58
coderustadzik: wait for u10, after enabling alphanumeric input more cool lock methods  will be available13:58
TemeVcoderus: yeah that also crossed my mind, but I toucht it as a poc13:59
coderusmeklu: you can go from 3 to 9 in android?13:59
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meklucoderus: yup13:59
mekluyou can only use each orb once13:59
coderusTemeV: u10 WILL contain alphanumeric input, it was announced many times13:59
tadzikcoderus: I think I am on u1013:59
tadzikoh, that might be u9 :)13:59
tadzikits 1.1.0.3913:59
TemeVcoderus: oh, I missed that one then13:59
coderustadzik 1.1.0.x is u914:00
mekluno wait, I think I put it there wrong14:00
mekluit was 24875163914:00
tadzik1.1.0 is u9: http://i.imgur.com/Un5F2vt.gif14:00
coderus1.1.1.x will be u10 :)14:00
j-dogetadzik: the jump to 1.1.x.y for u9 was made because of QT version upgrade, even if it does sound a bit illogical :)14:01
mekluor will it be 42.1.720.7900?14:01
mekluyou never know with version numbers14:01
tadzikcoderus: hmm, how can I debug patchmanager not starting up?14:01
* meklu really dislikes the Chrome versioning scheme14:01
tadzikI tried it with devel-su from the terminal, it showed me some debug things that don't seem to be of significance?14:02
meklubumping major every five minutes isn't too great14:02
tadziks/\?$//14:02
coderustadzik: we have 1.0.6 and 1.0.9 missed, so :)14:02
coderustadzik: ask SK_work about patchmanager14:03
tadzikah, right14:03
j-dogecoderus: just to clarify, 1.0.6 was missed, 1.0.9 was skipped due to the aforementioned QT upgrade ;)14:03
coderusi'm not using patchmanager and have no patchmanager installed :)14:03
coderusj-doge: it doesnt matter14:03
coderuswe just countimg releases14:03
coderus1.0.0 is u114:03
coderus1.1.1 is u1014:03
j-dogecoderus: I know, I just like arguing semantics :P14:03
tadzikunless you want to convert what you have to the u\d+ notation14:04
tadzikthat's inconvenient14:04
coderustadzik: why?14:05
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tadzikbecause you need a mapping :)14:06
coderuseach release is new "u".++i14:06
coderusit just counting releases14:06
coderusnothing more :)14:06
SK_worktadzik: install jolla-settings-patchmanager as a workaround14:06
tadzikI look at 1.1.0.39, if I don't know what that maps to14:06
tadzikSK_work: oh cute!14:07
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chem|stSK_work: workaround? thought that will be it from now on?14:10
tadzikcoderus: aww, the maze doesn't have 014:10
tadzikgood that the longpress is still there :)14:10
tadzikI mean, the keypad14:11
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tadzikhmm, is there a way to lock device ondemand, if the locktime is set to >0 minutes?14:13
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SK_workchem|st: when I'm not lazily enough to fix the classic app14:14
SK_workthat's all14:14
tadzikI like how it's in the settings14:14
tadzikseems like a fitting place14:14
* SK_work likes settings plugins :)14:15
kimmolitadzik: yes there is14:15
tadzikkimmoli: how do I do that?14:15
kimmolimoment14:15
kimmolidbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=org.nemomobile.lipstick /devicelock org.nemomobile.lipstick.devicelock.setState int32:1 & dbus-send --system --dest=com.nokia.mce --print-reply --type="method_call" /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_display_state_off14:17
tadzik:S14:17
tadzikI'll just set the delay to 0 minutes for a moment :P14:17
tadzikthanks though14:17
kimmolithere is also OR package for this; https://openrepos.net/content/htheb/lock-device14:18
spiirointadzik: kimmoli: after update10 you can also do: double power key press from display on -> display off + device lock on14:18
kimmolispiiroin: ik14:18
kimmolii still use that wip mce14:18
tadzikcoderus: hmm. When I change device lock settings, it asks me for my maze for confirmation. Then I lock the device and it shows me the keypad, with long press not changing it into the maze14:19
spiiroinwhich reminds me, I14:19
spiiroin've not tagged one pr14:19
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coderustadzik: you can't change to maze when you switched to keypad, right14:22
tadzikcoderus: so once you longpress to keypad it stays there forever, I see14:22
tadzikuntil the lipstick restart, at least :)14:22
tadzikis that something you can fix without reimplementing the keypad altogether?14:23
coderustadzik: yeah, i dont want to touch keypad component just to make longtap to maze :)14:24
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tadzikunderstandable :)14:24
tadzikI'm okay with this, thanks for the patch :)14:25
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coderuscurrently RandomKeypad PoC patch is just only keypad qml changed.14:25
coderusmaze patch have a lot of files changed14:25
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tadzikyeah, I looked at the diff, it's quite massive14:25
coderusof cource it's better to patch whole system and have options to select devicelock method you want14:26
tadzikin an ideal world... :)14:26
tadzikalso, where are my pluggable keyboards:P14:26
coderuswill thimk about complex devicelock patches for u1014:26
coderusthere are not much possibilities in u914:27
tadzikwhat's the showstopper?14:28
coderus0-914:28
tadzikah14:28
Waiteehmm, any idea why the notifications twitter crashes14:30
Waiteeor how to fix without rebooting14:30
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tadzikhmm, my twitter stopped working a few weeks ago14:33
tadzikupdating sign-in creds didn't help14:33
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meklumine seems to still be working14:34
Waiteemine works fine after reboot14:36
Waiteewhen the problem occurs it doesnt accept any gestures14:36
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Waiteejust shows the top of the list14:37
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coderusoops update10 here: https://together.jolla.com/question/71741/release-notes-software-version-11126-vaarainjarvi/15:07
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tadzik:o15:08
tadzikwhat a day15:08
Yanielwheeee15:09
tadzikoh, my favourite n900 features are back!15:09
tadziknow I can tell both people calling *and* the alarm clock to fuck off by flipping the phone :)15:09
tadzikcopypaste is killer too15:10
mcfriskto update or not, that is the question..15:11
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coderuseh, need to update ny patches to u10 now :D15:14
coderuswell, then i'll release randomkeypad to u10 only :D15:15
Armadilloanyone already got a download?15:15
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tadziknah15:16
tadzikprobably to The First Ones first15:16
coderusArmadillo: sure :D15:16
Armadillo:-/15:16
Armadillohave a first one, no download yet15:16
tadzik"Moves handwriting engine to background thread to improve performance"15:17
tadzik...moves what?15:17
tadzikthere's a handwriting engine?15:17
Stskeepsyes, in chinese15:17
tadzikah15:18
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mcfriskI see the update, but known problems list was 'too short'.. to dare or not..15:19
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Temegot the download with a first one toh \o/15:24
Tofeoh, great, an update :)15:25
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Sceltupdate update update15:26
Sceltmushrooooom15:26
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TofeI almost got the name contest right -- except the date, of course :p15:28
tadzikgrr, after I click "show more bugs" I need to read them all over again, as they'ren mixed up15:29
tadzikor maybe they're just duplicates15:29
xfade_tadzik: those are the u9 bugs15:31
tadzikah15:31
tadzikthanks15:31
xfade_which of course are also important if you come from u815:31
tadziknah, I opted-in15:31
TofeA question about btrfs and the updates: do you do a snapshot before each update ? If so, does it take more and more space each time ?15:31
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Tofe(because this time, well, it's 1,5Gb, so I'm interested :) )15:32
stephg\o/ update15:32
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phaeronTofe: no snapshots, but you should take backups and copy them to sdcard15:35
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Tofeok, well I'll copy them to my pc, I don't have any sdcard :)15:36
coderusis recovery fixed in u10?15:37
Tofecoderus: was it broken ? I didn't follow the topic15:38
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coderusyeah, recovery options almost not working and/or even break your device more in previous releases15:41
coderusStskeeps: ?15:41
mcfriskfirst boot, ui feels laggy, switching apps and swiping has twiches on screen, jerky feel15:41
phaeronmcfrisk: aliendalvik dexopt15:43
phaeronwill finish after a few mins depending on how many android apps you have15:43
mcfriskphaeron: so goes away, ok.15:43
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mcfriskok, jolla stabilized. Now app startup times seem longer 'cos the busy icon is spinning...15:45
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phdeswerbtrfs balance time?15:47
mcfriskI hope I'll like the double power button to lock feature, lock button used to be a bit unreliable and I'm used to pressing it a few times if there's nothing on screen..15:47
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mcfriskand back to patching media player qml to provide sane song lists without playlists...15:49
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ilpianista"Up to date" liar!!!! 1.1.1.26 is out!15:49
Tofeilpianista: yes, it has been so for many minutes now :)15:50
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ilpianistaand still my jolla ignores it :-P15:50
xfade_ilpianista: then you should have bought your Jolla earlier ;)15:51
ilpianistaxfade_: good point15:51
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TofeAnyway, thanks for the release of this update before christmas :) Now have some good vacations!15:54
ilpianista+115:54
kimmolisome bugs to hunt...15:56
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disharmonichey15:56
ilpianistaI guess the changelog includes stuff from update 9, is there a diff (just stuff introduced by u10)?15:57
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disharmonicHas the sailfish utilities app been pulled from the store? Even a search  doesn't reveal it15:58
xfade_ilpianista: that is only u1015:58
xfade_ilpianista: the more link goes to u915:58
ilpianistaxfade_: can't be. See UI changes15:58
xfade_I see a lot of things, don't make it not true ;)15:59
xfade_*doesn't15:59
ilpianistadisharmonic: I see them, you need u916:00
xfade_disharmonic: which version of the OS are you running?16:00
disharmoniclast non beta. i think thats u916:01
VDVsxno is u916:01
ilpianistalast non beta is u816:01
VDVsxu816:01
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coderusyou funny, double typo :D16:04
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andybransonare there any warehouse packages that should be removed before upgrading? i uninstalled zramcfg just to be safe16:07
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TMavicaupdate!16:07
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disharmonicthx. wifi dropped16:12
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* gexc-phone just plugged in charger and waiting for receiving update :D16:20
CoderCandyhmmmm16:21
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CoderCandyupdate eh?16:21
Yanielu10 finally16:21
Lipevakala_Nice, update went smoothly :D16:21
Yanielyupp16:21
CoderCandyno update for me :(16:21
louisdkStill waiting for the update. Have checked for update16:22
gexc-phonehow to free up space :-o16:22
Yanielare you one of the first ones?16:22
* gexc-phone still waiting16:22
CoderCandyah, right, no16:22
bennypr0fanewhen I try to rsync into the Jolla, I often get this: "ssh: connect to host jolla port 22: No route to host", but sometimes it just works - I can't tell why. Ayn ideas?16:22
Yanielgexc-phone: remove some files from the builtin storage16:22
CoderCandyDidn't have the money during first preorder batch16:22
gexc-phonelol16:22
louisdkbennypr0fane, are you on u10?16:22
bennypr0fanelouisdk: no, still 816:23
phdeswerbennypr0fane: sometimes when Jolla is asleep things might time out.16:23
CoderCandySo I got mine in the free preorder thibg16:23
gexc-phonemaybe I need to ssh into it first16:23
CoderCandything*16:23
bennypr0fanephdeswer: how can I make sure rsync server remains active?16:23
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gexc-phonekeep the screen up?16:23
louisdkbennypr0fane, you might experience this bug: https://together.jolla.com/question/55992/development-mode-require-reboot-for-ssh-to-work/ which should be fixed on u10.16:24
phdeswerbennypr0fane: Keep the device awake by doing something with it. Not sure.16:24
phdeswerlouisdk: that is only on activation of developer mode.16:24
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bennypr0fanephdeswer: ok, I woke it up and now it works16:24
phdeswerbennypr0fane: using usb usually avoids that issue too. (wifi sometimes sleeps quite deeply to save power)16:25
bennypr0faneanyhow, there should be a way to make this unnecessary, no? what about desktop pcs, do you ever have issues getting in while it's asleep?16:25
phdeswerthey don't sleep that deeply.16:25
bennypr0fanephdeswer: you mean the connection used by ssh can be usb cable too? But that's not a network link, right?16:26
phdesweryou can compare the sleep with a suspended laptop almost, that will not react either on wifi or network most of the time.16:26
phdeswerbennypr0fane: it is a network link too.16:26
phdeswerJust a bit emulated.16:26
bennypr0fanebut needs to be in pc-suite mode for that, right?16:27
phdeswerIn use you will not see a difference. And no you need to choose developer mode for USB16:27
phdeswerIs installed when you activate developer mode.16:27
bennypr0faneaaah, I just love it when the photos transfer over smoothly with one simple command16:28
bennypr0fanedoes anyone else do that with rsync?16:28
phdeswerI just use the MTP with shotwell16:29
bennypr0fanephdeswer: so standard usb connection modes do not give you a network link, just developer mode, yes?16:30
phdeswerbennypr0fane: correct16:30
bennypr0fanethanks!16:30
phdeswerFor windows you need to make sure it installs an RNDIS driver, Horndis on OSX, and it magically works in Linux ;)16:31
bennypr0faneLuckily I'm on the magical side of things :-) I guess I'm gonna delete a lot of pictures from phone memory now. I barely have enough space left for u1016:32
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* louisdk is still waiting for u10. Currently on u8 and my Jolla is wearing the first one toh.16:35
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bennypr0faneIs anyone able to move user files from phone memory to sdcard on the pc, i.e. connected via usb?16:37
TMavicaLOL...update auto shutdown. need reset16:39
phaeronbennypr0fane: it should work, but assuming you are using Linux if you have older libmtp it might not work16:39
bennypr0fanephaeron: ...meaning that it'S known to work on newer versions of libmtp?16:40
phaeronbennypr0fane: yes or try jmtpfs16:41
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* bennypr0fane is trying to find out about his version of libmtp16:42
bennypr0fanelibmtp9 ver 1.1.616:43
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phaeronI have 1.1.8 on my fedora16:44
phdeswerbennypr0fane: or do the same rsync, scp, ... as you would do over wifi16:46
bennypr0fanephaeron: it works for you?16:47
phaeronbennypr0fane: yeah and gvfs-mtp too16:51
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bennypr0fanewould you guys know if I can make rsync delete the files from source location if, and only if the transfer was successful?16:54
fluxwell, di.fm android app audio craps out, as warned by the release notes :/16:55
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stephgbennypr0fane: do it twice? second time with --delete?16:57
stephg(and an && in there)16:57
* bennypr0fane is reading man rsync...16:58
ln-stephg: afaik rsync doesn't delete from source16:58
bennypr0faneln-: not by default anyway16:59
bennypr0fanethere's this option: --delete-after          receiver deletes after transfer, not during16:59
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ln-i think that too means deleting from the destination17:00
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bennypr0fanestephg: --delete             delete extraneous files from dest dirs this is not what I had in mind17:00
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stephgso you don't want src and dest to be identical, you want to nuke src if the sync completes successfully?17:01
bennypr0fanestephg: yes.17:04
stephgso && rm ${SRC}/* when it's done?17:04
bennypr0fanestephg: yup, i guess that'll have to do17:07
bennypr0faneyou mean if I just append && rm that makes sure rm only starts after the transfer is complete?17:08
stephgwell if rsync does sensible exit codes17:09
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stephgrsync <whatever you're syncing wherever> && rm -r ${src}/whatever will work17:10
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bennypr0fanefor the first run I can just use mv, but If I'm gonna do the same later on, with lots of files already present at source, rsync is probably safer17:10
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stephgbennypr0fane: well mv is probably sensible yeah17:12
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salyavinoh update available on my 1st one17:18
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Nicd-WOOOO UPDATE TIME17:26
Nicd-\o/////17:26
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knihti?17:26
Nicd-1.1.1.2617:27
* Nicd- does the update dance17:27
fluxrsync has --removesomething for remov7ng local files after xfer17:27
oku--remove-source-files17:27
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Nicd-https://together.jolla.com/question/71741/release-notes-software-version-11126-vaarainjarvi/17:32
Tegu:O17:32
Teguwooooo17:32
stephgTegu: where've you been :P17:33
salyavinin install phase of update now.  I see tweet from thp about my longed for gpodder update too.  Happy update day.17:33
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Tegustephg: not checking updates nor jolla irc at least17:33
FireFlyoh right, update17:33
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louisdkI got the update about 10 min ago too :)17:35
stephg:)17:35
Tegublah, I cannot update yet :(17:36
Nicd-"On creating a new calendar event with reminder, the reminder time set is saved and used as default for the subsequent new calendar event entries" what17:36
Toxipshould I disable patchmanager patches before update?17:36
okui will at least17:37
Teguprobably it's the safest thing17:37
YanielNicd-: I suppose that means time between reminder and event17:37
Yanielnot the actual time of the reminder17:37
Tegulet the pulley spam begin17:37
Nicd-yeah, but I hope it doesn't default reminder to on for the next one17:37
TeguI hope it has customizable reminder time17:38
TeguI mean, better17:38
okuupdate available, finally :)17:38
Tegubecause the gap from 2 hours to one day is just crazy17:39
okuthe changelog looks quite impressing :)17:39
Tegucan the reminders be tweaked from command line btw?17:39
Teguor some patch?17:39
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okuircc it can be done via command line17:41
okuiirc*17:41
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Nicd-"Attempting to open an app from Lock screen shortcuts while the device is locked now brings up the device lock keypad to allow unlocking the device and then opens the app to foreground" \o/17:44
Nicd-yesss17:44
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salyavindidn't think to uninstall zram from openrepos first, hopefuly no problem uninstalling it later from openrepos.  It's enabled by default now17:47
Andy80hi17:47
Andy80I don't know if it's related to this problem: About in Jolla shows me "Unknown Version", but my phone doesn't see the new OS update. Any idea?17:48
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salyavinNot sure the update is rolled out to everyone yet.  They do tend to do it in stages probably to not overload their server.17:50
Tegunot everybody can update at the same time. I mean, I still can't see the update either. but I wonder what ist that Unknown Version17:50
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attahmy favorite perk from being "the first one" :)17:53
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attahthe loading animation on the covers sure is sexy :)17:55
tiwakeheh17:56
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SK_workattah: yep really nice17:57
* gexc-phone just got update :D17:57
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salyavintook me a moment to figure out gpodder4 play que got it now.  良かった本当に17:59
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SK_workhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/12/bq-ubuntu-phone-launches-in-europe-this-february17:59
SK_workfebruary ?17:59
SK_workmaybe ?17:59
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SK_worknice specs, not outstanding though18:00
tigeliSK_work: it's like tizen.. ;)18:00
SK_workbut the price tag is aggressive18:00
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SK_workcompared to the jolla18:00
SK_worktigeli: yeah, indeed18:00
SK_workmaybe out maybe not18:00
attah1GB RAM is getting old.. or maybe i was in U9 too long for my own sanity18:01
SK_workattah: on U10 ATM18:02
SK_workI have to say, my ram is now free !18:02
okuthe ui feels pretty smooth in update10 after u918:02
gexc-phoneram is never enough :-P18:03
oku64k should be enough for everybody ;)18:03
tigelioku: yes, there was a reason why we did not release u9 for all :)18:03
salyavinI still have my Commodore 64 ^-^;;18:04
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salyavinzram is now enabled by default so you have more RAM now :P18:04
okutigeli: yeah, it was a good decision and this is a good update. Thanks!18:04
okusalyavin: me too :)18:04
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attahSK_work: me too, but haven't experienced it much yet18:05
salyavinoku ahaha cool every play with GEOS?18:08
okusalyavin: not in C64, only with nokia 9110 ;)18:08
salyavincool18:09
r0kk3rzi survived with a desktop pc with 1gb of ram for a long time18:09
okuit's a shame i don't have space for my C64 equipment in my apartment right now :(18:09
r0kk3rz1gb should be heaps for a mobile phone18:09
tigeli~3GB is enough18:10
tigeli;)18:10
okumaybe when i move to bigger place i'll have some dedicated room for old school stuff :)18:10
salyavinbiu a house :P  I have my amiga 500 and 3000 at least as well18:10
salyavinbuy18:10
okuthat'd be awesome at least if nobody asks my girlfriend :D18:10
r0kk3rzstill got my Archimedes A4 stashed at my parents house18:11
okui will, but not just yet. until then i just keep the most valuable computers in a good safe18:11
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japa-fiI managed to mess up my opera install and i guess I messed it up even more by trying to remove related files with file browser.18:12
Andy80I will try again tomorrow maybe18:12
japa-fiInstalled it via amazon, which thinks it's still installed. Thus, can't reinstall18:13
r0kk3rzjapa-fi: cant download the apk from somewhere?18:13
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javispedrohrmrm18:15
javispedrothere's this weird bug where if you mount the sdcard (formatted as btrfs) several times with different btrfs subvolumes18:15
javispedrotracker will only see one of those mounts18:15
japa-fir0kk3rz, easier said than done..18:16
r0kk3rzis it on the gogglestore?18:16
r0kk3rzif it is then you can use an apk downloader18:16
Nicd-updated \o/18:16
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japa-fiI've got mine from amazon store.18:17
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r0kk3rzdoesnt matter18:17
japa-fiTrying from aptoid I get message that it's already installed with different signature and doesn't update/replace/insall18:17
r0kk3rzit'll be the same apk18:17
japa-fiOh, now it installed something from aptoid..18:18
japa-fiDiffernt version of opera18:18
japa-fihow many operas there are...18:18
Obi-Lanbuying house doesnt mean that you get all the space for your it junk18:20
r0kk3rzis there a u9->u10 changelist?18:26
Obi-Lanor maybe just didnt buy big enough18:26
r0kk3rzi assume the one on TJC is a u8->u1018:26
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japa-fianyone experienced with halftrail?18:34
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Waiteer0kk3rz: https://together.jolla.com/question/71741/release-notes-software-version-11126-vaarainjarvi/#71741-settingsaccounts18:34
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Waiteeor actually that includes both a summary of update 9 and 1018:34
japa-fiI tried to download a region, it certainly did something (counter went down from 700 units), but now that I set phone offline, there is no map to zoom to18:35
Waiteeim annoyed by the fact that the changelog composer writes "a TOH" where the acronym "TOH" already includes article "the"18:36
Waiteea the other half18:36
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Tofeupdate went smooth, as usual.18:37
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Obi-Lanwas this opt-in or stable update now18:38
Tofestable18:38
Obi-Lanmine doesn't show any updates availabe18:39
Waiteetry again18:40
Tofewait a little bit, I just got it half an hour ago18:40
r0kk3rzits a bit update for those on u818:40
r0kk3rzso the staged roll out may take a while to get to everyone18:40
r0kk3rz*big18:40
Obi-Lanyes I'm on tahkalampi18:41
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Obi-Lantons of fixes18:42
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coderustahkalampi18:43
coderusfuuuuu18:43
coderus:D18:43
Waiteefuuu18:44
TemeDouble 'click' on Power key when phone locked makes the lock dialog appear (if no lock in use then directly to home view) <3 thank you Santa18:44
Waiteenice!18:44
Waiteedidnt even notice that part18:45
Waitee:D18:45
Obi-Landoesn't that mean that I just the 1.5gbit of love18:45
ToxipI got an "update failed" message but now it says up-to-date...18:48
TofeDidn't they say they added layers on Maps ? How do I get that functionality ?18:48
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Obi-Lando they ever get offline maps18:53
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japa-fisomeone mentioned offline maps...18:54
r0kk3rzthe emergency call icon is fugly :(18:54
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the_mgtTofe: look at the bottom of the screen for the layers18:55
ToxipIt's not possible to just add offline maps. It requires a lot of work to get it done and there are more pressing issues to handle with.18:55
the_mgtI only found that out after watching a review by jollausers or jollatides blog18:56
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Obi-Langood thing I grabbed that here drive beta18:58
Obi-Lancan play with it18:58
javispedrohere is now public18:59
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Obi-Lanyes but it went to gapps store19:01
Obi-Lanand don't have intrests to hack gapps store into jolla19:02
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Tofeah, weird, my Maps wasn't updated19:12
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Tofeok, now it's fine19:14
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r0kk3rzhacking gapps is pretty easy though19:17
r0kk3rzdownload, unzip, copy, done19:17
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ToxipI'm kinda concerned whether the update actually worked... I got the "failed" thing and tried to follow the steps in TJC and try to check for the update again and it says I'm in latest update19:26
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attahI'm getting a really bad habit of hacking the qml on the phone...19:27
attahhttps://together.jolla.com/question/71883/percent-ecoded-callto-links-does-not-work/19:27
ToxipI still get the "loading text" and not the busy animation... does that mean the update didn't go through 100%?19:29
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mekluoh neat, u1019:31
meklujust broke the uptime record on the phone today19:31
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meklu":D"19:31
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salyavinwere you on u9 meklu?19:34
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mekluyup19:38
Wntis there still no "find in page" feature in the browser?19:39
Wntit was merged to the master branch 27 days ago https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/commit/96f691d68448234d0c9732468b74531e6f29f53019:39
mekluis the selection stuff in there yet?19:39
Wntbut I guess it didn't make it to the update 10?19:39
mekluor is there still just an unofficial patch?19:39
Wntsame thing for text selection & copy paste from browser19:41
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Wntbut I guess I can use the patches to get that functionality19:42
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Wntcoderus: is this compatible with update10 https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-sailfish-browser-text-selection-patch ?19:43
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yellsHi, is there a builtin way to encrypt text files in sailfish?19:45
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yellsIdeally via CLI19:45
Toxipwhere do backups get stored?19:45
Wntyells: seems that at least I have a gpg2 binary on path19:46
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WntToxip: /home/nemo/.vault19:47
Wntand if you choose to export them to the sdcard then they are also there19:47
Siddeis there any issue of not getting the update? my phone does not find any new update19:47
Siddei'm on 1.0.819:48
WntToxip: as Backup.tar if I remember correctly19:48
yellsWnt: thank you!19:48
ToxipWnt: thanks19:48
TurskiSidde: are you one The First Ones?19:48
Turskione of the*19:49
Siddenot what i know of19:49
Siddefrom the name i'll guess a first batch, and in that case no19:49
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Turskiupdates are first published to the first ones19:49
ln-yes, https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/54559704750073446419:50
SiddeTurski: it says nothing about that in the release note19:50
SiddeTurski: and i'm been pretty fast to update every release19:50
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TurskiSidde: check ln-'s link then19:50
Siddei see now19:50
Siddeshouldn't that be in the release note too=19:51
Tegustill not getting the update :( maybe they see that I'm spamming with the pulley and delay me more on each check19:51
Sidde?19:51
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TurskiSidde: it's probably releasing in few hours19:51
Siddeok19:51
Siddethe information is poor as usual...19:51
Turskiwell, their server's wouldn't be able to server everyone at once...19:52
Stskeepswe're looking into something, one of the reasons we do staging is to catch problems early on.19:52
Stskeepsor staggering, or what it is called..19:52
Siddebut i'll sit quiet and wait then...19:52
Obi-Lani think staging would be correct term19:53
Siddei have no problem with staging at all. Just that it's a release note and no info about it19:53
Turskipackage 219 of 465 going on for me... :P19:53
Siddeso lots of people are like me throubleshooting19:53
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salyavinanything in particular you are looking into or need reproduced by people who have the update Stskeeps?19:56
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Turskisalyavin: generayy problems most likely... for example that problem previously if bash was installed from warehouse19:57
Turski(i was the first to report that one :P )19:58
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Turskiit was quite nasty problem since it wasn't fixable without ssh or factory reset19:59
salyavinyikes Turski19:59
salyavinbash4 from edgley right?19:59
salyavinwhat did it do?19:59
Turskifrom nieldk19:59
salyavinwonder if he pulled it I see his bash-completion but not bash.19:59
Turskii don't remember anymore what was the particular problem with that20:00
salyavinsometimes I wonder if he does good testing20:00
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Turskisalyavin: that was at update 4 or 5 i think20:00
Turskiit's not possible to happen anymore20:00
salyavinoh good.20:01
Turskibut i always keep ssh connection open while upgrading and monitor journal and pkmon20:01
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salyavinthis upgrade went quite smoothly for me as usual.  Only thing I forgot to do was remove zram from openreos first but removing it afterwards seems to have hurt nothing.20:01
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salyavinI open and close the browser a lot (tt-rss links) and felt like memory didn't all get released in u9.  Will take me a while to see if that's better now.20:02
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salyavinzram helped and is enabled by default now too.20:03
Armadilloany spectecular changes? :)20:04
okuArmadillo: from update8 or 9?20:04
Armadillo920:04
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Waiteeoom handling got better20:05
okuwell most important ones are that network works as it should, memory management seems to work now, ui works smoothly20:05
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salyavinArmadillo have you read https://together.jolla.com/question/71741/release-notes-software-version-11126-vaarainjarvi/20:05
Armadillosure20:05
okuonly downside i find for now is that powermenu doesn't work atm :)20:05
salyavinmemory is the biggest one IMHO.20:06
ArmadilloI installed it already, but just wanted to know if I missed something ;)20:06
salyavinzram is enabled by default too20:06
salyavinread that together link20:06
salyavinJollausers/jollafan club is doing a giveaway fun fun http://www.jollausers.com/2014/12/giveaway-jolla-fan-club-and-jollausers-christmas-giveaway/20:06
okunice christmas present :) i was already worried that they'd delay the update to be released after the holidays20:07
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TurskiSnooze by flipping! <320:07
okuyeah, that's the one i've been missing from n90020:07
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Turskisame here20:07
Turskiand n920:07
okuand silencing incoming call20:07
salyavinwell oku if they rushed and released a mess and went on vacation people would be more upset I think ;P20:07
attahTurski: I wonder if it's activated by throwing too...20:07
Turskiattah: maybe you need to try...?20:08
attahperhaps i do...20:08
okusalyavin: yeah i know. to correct my message, i was worried about the update not being ready before the holidays :)20:08
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Morpog_PCSo when do we get update11? :D20:32
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Yaniellet's see about that in february20:32
tigeliMorpog_PC: real soon now20:33
Morpog_PCsoon is always fine tigeli :D20:33
salyavinStaged release, I am on it now.20:34
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salyavinYou should have got a first one Morpog_ ;p20:36
Morpog_PCsalyavin, I was talking about U11, not U10 :D20:36
Morpog_PCI'm already on U10, first one here20:37
Yanielsame here20:37
salyavinAh OK20:37
YanielI can finally type fast on fingerterm again :320:37
Yanielu9 had problems with that20:37
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Morpog_PCI like the memory optimizations doesn't seem to slow down anymore as in U920:38
Yanielyup20:38
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Morpog_PCnow I want U11 with new browser UI :D20:38
salyavinYea that is already in git20:39
Morpog_PCi know20:39
coderusWnt: i didnt tried any old patches with u10 yet20:39
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Morpog_PCbut too lazy to build all the dependencies20:39
salyavinhmm bug mentioned in #sailfishos20:40
salyavinhttps://together.jolla.com/question/71741/release-notes-software-version-11126-vaarainjarvi/20:40
salyavindon't use alphanumeric lock20:40
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salyavinI had considered it briefly today good thing I didn't ^-^;;20:40
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Morpog_PCI don't use lock code at all20:41
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salyavinI don't either as I use my phone way too often20:41
salyavinbut I sometimes wonder how wise that is20:42
Morpog_PCtrue20:42
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salyavincoderus maze lock looks interesting too20:42
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Morpog_PCI never lost a phone ever though20:42
salyavinme either thank goodness20:42
salyavinor even an internet tablet or pda20:43
salyavinlucky20:43
salyavinUpdate:  Do not use alphanumeric lock code feature yet. Release roll-out on hold to fix an issue discovered w.r.t it.20:43
salyavinwonder if it got beyond the 1st ones20:44
Obi-LanI've setup ms exchange policy so that anyone wants use company mail need to have atleast pin lock in use20:44
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salyavinI manage to get away without reading work email on my phone.20:45
salyavinWe use lotus anyway20:45
salyavinbut they have various security policies anyway20:45
salyavinbought thp a beer for that gpodder update lol20:45
Obi-LanI also use lot of exchange calendaring and contacts20:46
Obi-Lanlife on road much easier20:47
salyavinI'd rather get all that working in owncloud on my own server.20:48
salyavinexchange does have nice calendaring from what I recall.20:48
salyavinLotus is so-so20:48
Obi-Lanyeah I got also others fiddling my calendar and our erp can drop projects into my calendar20:49
coderussalyavin: maze lock posted in twitter is different, not same :D20:49
AcceI'm not sure if it's placebo, but after the update both native & android feels more smooth, I guess they nailed the memory issues this time20:49
salyavinAcce did you run zram in u9?20:49
Wntcoderus: ok I'll try them out later on. Is the text selection patch based on some work by Jolla developers also?20:50
Accesalyavin: nope20:50
salyavinzram helped some and is enabled by default in u1020:50
Acceseems to help quite much, nice20:51
salyavinI think it is improved but will take me days to know if I've got leaks20:51
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Yanielthey certainly improved things20:51
r0kk3rzyeah u9 was pretty terrible on memory20:52
salyavinyea.  Morpog_PC will u11 be the alphanumeric lock fix?  you might get u11 today :P20:52
Morpog_PCthat would be lame :D20:52
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coderusWnt: no20:53
Wntcoderus: did you write it yourself?20:54
Obi-Lanhow stable owncloud is today, ~last year I tried but it had all kinds of scary stuff like upgrade breaking whole thing20:54
salyavingone through a few upgrades without breaking it.20:55
KiranosObi-Lan: also interested in this20:55
Obi-Lanbut so far havent got intrests yet20:55
KiranosQA was a little to short and beta to rc was very few days apart20:56
WntI think someone should start providing snapshot builds of the browser!20:56
Morpog_PCWnt, coderus started with it but stopped20:56
salyavinyea I know you're separate from the bug coderus20:56
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Obi-LanI suppose lastpass wont work with jolla browser :P20:58
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salyavindoubt it but you could try this procedure Obi-Lan https://together.jolla.com/question/901/proposal-add-support-for-mobile-firefox-add-ons-to-the-sailfish-browser/21:00
salyavin1st answer21:00
salyavinand 2nd21:00
Wntor maybe Jolla developers could make the building process easier. If I could just point a Mer OBS thingy to a branch on github and make it build be a binary that would be OK too :)21:00
salyavindoubt Last=pass would work though21:01
petantikis the rollout stopped? i checked and got an update for 1.1.1.26?21:01
salyavinpetantik https://together.jolla.com/question/71741/release-notes-software-version-11126-vaarainjarvi/21:01
salyavinpetantik Update:  Do not use alphanumeric lock code feature yet. Release roll-out on hold to fix an issue discovered w.r.t it.21:01
salyavinweird you got it petantik21:02
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petantiksalyavin:  Yes, it is. Could it be realted to me being an opt in for update 921:02
petantikrelated*21:02
salyavindon't know.  or maybe it means people who are already open to the upgrade (first ones for example) will still get it but the roll out to additional blocks of phones is on hold.21:03
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petantikAye. Possible.21:07
salyavinI'd take the upgrade and just not set an alphanumeric lock21:07
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petantikyes. my plan.21:08
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cvp_\o/21:12
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cvp_can some one confirm, that xmpp is not working too with 1.1.1.xx ?21:13
phaeronxmpp working for me21:13
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stephgworks for me too21:14
Andy80I was following these instructions https://together.jolla.com/question/58572/bug-unknown-sailfishos-version/ because I was having the same version unknown problem... now I'm upgrading the system with: version --dup, is it ok?21:14
Stskeepsnever ok21:14
Stskeepsstore is only way that you should upgrade21:14
salyavinxmpp seems to be working here on u1021:14
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Andy80Stskeeps: yeah but not completly my fault if I was having that problem :/21:15
cvp_stephg, do you have https:// in your server link ?21:15
cvp_oder withoit21:16
cvp_or21:16
Andy80I mean.. I never installed any unofficial system package21:16
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stephgcvp_: I don't have a server entry (this would be for my gtalk account)21:17
coderusWnt: yes it's my own implementation21:17
Andy80Stskeeps: by the way... it didn't install the 1.1.1.x one... I still have 1.0.8.21 Tahkalampi21:17
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coderusMorpog_PC: too many things to do, i really need to start planning things21:18
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vilkzHow can I make font larger than "Theme.fontSizeExtraLarge"?21:43
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kimmolivilkz: 200 ?21:44
Toxipalright, I managed to break something and now I can't see any image when I boot T_T21:45
ToxipI'm in recovery mode atm21:45
Toxiphow do I mount the nemo folder?21:45
r0kk3rzStskeeps: good work on the memory usage of u10, positively lightweight now21:45
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vilkzkimmoli: Uhm, like "Theme.fontSize200"?21:46
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kimmolino, just a number21:49
mdxthdoes "Theme.fontSize * 1.5" work?21:50
kimmolifont.pixelSize: 20021:50
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kimmoliand mdxth yes , font.pixelSize: Theme.fontSizeExtraLarge * 1.5 works too21:50
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vilkzfont.pixelSize: Theme.fontSize300 worked too21:51
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Teguhaha, just noticed that the backup feature uses git22:04
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cvp_so patchmanager is not working anymore on Update10 ? :)22:13
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okucvp_: jolla-settings-patchmanager works22:23
okupatchmanager-ui doesn't22:23
okuintegrating it in jolla-settings is more elegant anyway22:23
cvp_yes sure is it better in jolla settings :) but cant find on openrepos22:25
cvp_@oku22:25
okutry searching for patchmanager for Jolla settings22:27
cvp_yeah i find it.lol i install it few days before and i wonder why i dont find a app icon :D22:28
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oku:D22:28
cvp_its normal that the first "start" take a bit time? i see only a circle what is working22:30
okucan't see any patches?22:30
cvp_nope22:30
okuhave you installed any patches?22:31
cvp_only a working circle...22:31
cvp_nope22:31
cvp_one week before i do a factory reset and from this time i dont install any patches22:31
okutry installing some, for example the "sailfishos patches (base)"22:31
Teguokay, should have checked the tjc page of the update.. "on hold"22:32
coderus"fix is on the go" /sledges22:33
sledgesit's in the works:P22:34
cvp_oku, ok now it show somthing after i install base... and can i usenow the advance too ?22:35
okuyes22:36
okumost of the patches work, but not all of them22:36
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okubut if it can't apply the patch, it won't do anything so just try out what works :)22:37
cvp_;)22:37
cvp_thanks22:37
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cvp_looks better in settings app :) nice work @dev22:37
coderussledges: it's on the go to be fixed :D22:39
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cvp_coderus search feature in web browser is not working :(22:46
sledgescoderus:))22:46
coderuscvp_: this is bad :(22:48
cvp_but select text is working :)22:49
coderussearch feature is too complex22:49
coderuswhile selecting is simple, everything is already in plece, just need some little fixies :)22:50
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cvp_maybe better to ask jolla to integrate it into the webbrowser22:50
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cvp_is maze unlock working on 10 ?22:52
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cvp_good night cya23:01
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