coderus | cvp_: i'm just trying to build all together, it's krnlyng work :) | 00:00 |
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cvp_ | krnlyng? | 00:01 |
cvp_ | cool if its possible toconnect a Playstation 3/4 Controller to jolla phone :D | 00:02 |
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M4rtinK | really looking forward to TOHKBD2 :) | 00:05 |
M4rtinK | should make the emulators much more usable :) | 00:06 |
cvp__ | damn i forget it to buy one... | 00:06 |
M4rtinK | cvp_: oops! :) | 00:06 |
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cvp__ | but its ok.... hope next year comes jolla phone 2 :) | 00:07 |
cvp__ | fingercross | 00:07 |
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ortylp | cross-compiling for Jolla: what do I have to do to compile standard linux app (./configure && make) for Jolla? what wrapper command do I need to use or which SDK VM I need to log in to? | 00:11 |
Yaniel | the mer build VM | 00:11 |
Yaniel | and afaik you need to use the sb2 wrapper | 00:11 |
Yaniel | which you need to tell you want the armv7hl env | 00:11 |
ortylp | sb2? | 00:12 |
r0kk3rz | ShadowJK: would be great to get a unity port for sailfish, would totally help the native games situation | 00:12 |
ortylp | Yaniel: thanks for the hint :) | 00:12 |
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M4rtinK | ortylp: there is also the OBS: https://build.merproject.org/ | 00:13 |
M4rtinK | ortylp: it has a sailfish target | 00:13 |
Yaniel | I'm guessing it stands for scratchbox | 00:14 |
ortylp | Yaniel: then it makes much more sense | 00:14 |
M4rtinK | ortylp: and can be used to easily build packages from OpenSUSE, Fedora & co :) | 00:14 |
ortylp | M4rtinK: I have heard something about OBS in 2010 in Dublin, but have not looked into it yet... | 00:16 |
M4rtinK | ortylp: it is basically a build system | 00:17 |
M4rtinK | you give it a tarball and spec and it spits out an RPM a lot of errors or both :) | 00:17 |
M4rtinK | the build happens somewhere in the build farm and you don't have to install anything locally | 00:18 |
M4rtinK | it also creates a repository for the package automatically :) | 00:18 |
ortylp | M4rtinK: yeah... just like compiling symbian binaries on linux... | 00:18 |
M4rtinK | ortylp: they had some crazy remote compiler, right ? | 00:18 |
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M4rtinK | ortylp: in this case the sailfish target on the OBS basically has the same thing as the build VM in the SDK :) | 00:19 |
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Kabouik | Still no success, and in Linux Mint, every time I try to plug the Jolla, everything totally freezes (have to hard reboot the computer) | 00:19 |
ortylp | M4rtinK: It is really useful if you are working towards upstream, I would feel better if I could get preconfigured VM to tinker with the sources/binaries locally | 00:19 |
M4rtinK | I use OBS so that I don't need to care about keeping the SDK working and up to date :) | 00:19 |
cristi | Kabouik: sorry to hear that | 00:20 |
M4rtinK | ortylp: that's basically the SDK :) | 00:20 |
ortylp | M4rtinK: yep, this remote compilet thing, it was ta least better than nothing :) | 00:20 |
M4rtinK | BTW, I remeber that the late MeeGO OBS supported local builds | 00:20 |
M4rtinK | it kinda downloaded all the things locally to you machine | 00:20 |
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Kabouik | cristi can you tell me what to do if my RNDIS gets "unidentified" as soon as I share the internet connection to it? | 00:21 |
M4rtinK | no idea if the Mer OBS can do that too | 00:21 |
ortylp | M4rtinK: nice | 00:21 |
ortylp | M4rtinK: if MER SDK VM is enough for ./configure && make && make rpm then I am set :) | 00:21 |
cristi | Kabouik: no idea, I'm not very familiar with windows | 00:21 |
Kabouik | :( | 00:22 |
cristi | Kabouik: could you use the telnet and start the wifi network on the jolla instead? | 00:22 |
Kabouik | I don't know, how could I start Wifi from the Jolla from the recovery shell? | 00:23 |
cristi | perhaps that would be easier | 00:23 |
cristi | well, once you would be in the chroot I think you can just run the networking service | 00:23 |
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Kabouik | Do you know the commands? And how to enter the WPA key and so on? | 00:24 |
cristi | I am just guess ing here, but if you had it configured it should just work | 00:25 |
Kabouik | I did | 00:25 |
cristi | systemctl restart connman.service | 00:25 |
Kabouik | bash-3.2# systemctl restart connman.service | 00:26 |
Kabouik | Running in chroot, ignoring request. | 00:26 |
cristi | but then again, you might be impacted by the same btrfs issues that I was facing | 00:26 |
cristi | try to look at "btrfs filesystem df /" | 00:27 |
cristi | and/or "zypper update" | 00:27 |
Kabouik | bash-3.2# btrfs filesystem df / | 00:27 |
Kabouik | Data, single: total=13.08GiB, used=11.47GiB | 00:27 |
Kabouik | System, DUP: total=8.00MiB, used=4.00KiB | 00:27 |
Kabouik | System, single: total=4.00MiB, used=0.00 | 00:27 |
Kabouik | Metadata, DUP: total=330.00MiB, used=232.86MiB | 00:27 |
Kabouik | Metadata, single: total=8.00MiB, used=0.00 | 00:27 |
Kabouik | zypper update fails due to connection failure | 00:28 |
cristi | btrfs balance start -dusage=55 / | 00:28 |
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Kabouik | Too few arguments, it says | 00:28 |
cristi | I had to remove some files and change the dusage number until it moved at least a chunk | 00:29 |
Kabouik | But do I need that here? | 00:29 |
cristi | you might not need it, that's just the problem I had | 00:30 |
cristi | for me zypper just failed due to low disk space issues | 00:30 |
Kabouik | Yeah but you could use your computer as a router, I can't :( | 00:30 |
Kabouik | cd /home | 00:31 |
Kabouik | Oups | 00:31 |
cristi | look at /var/log/zypp/history and see if you get some disk space errors | 00:31 |
cristi | # error: unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/bin/nmap: cpio: rename failed - No space left on device | 00:32 |
cristi | I had plenty like this one ^^^ | 00:32 |
cristi | although df -h reported 4GB free | 00:32 |
Kabouik | bash: /var/log/zypp/history: Permission denied | 00:32 |
Kabouik | and devel-su fails to auth me with my usual password :< | 00:32 |
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cristi | if you're in chroot you should be logged in as root | 00:33 |
Kabouik | I'm in chroot but permission denied | 00:33 |
cristi | use less, cat or tail | 00:33 |
cristi | it's not an executable, it's a log file you have to read as text | 00:33 |
Kabouik | Weird | 00:35 |
Kabouik | bash-3.2# tail /var/log/zypp/history: Permission denied | 00:35 |
Kabouik | tail: cannot open `/var/log/zypp/history:' for reading: No such file or directory | 00:35 |
Kabouik | tail: cannot open `Permission' for reading: No such file or directory | 00:35 |
Kabouik | tail: cannot open `denied' for reading: No such file or directory | 00:35 |
cristi | tail /var/log/zypp/history | 00:35 |
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Kabouik | http://hastebin.com/xakixajuco.sm | 00:36 |
cristi | error: unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/lib/dsme/iphb.so: cpio: rename failed - No space left on device | 00:37 |
cristi | try to delete some files and do the btrfs rebalance until you can get a couple of chunks moved | 00:37 |
Kabouik | But I can't find /home/nemo | 00:37 |
Kabouik | Do I need to shell without chroot? | 00:37 |
cristi | mount /home | 00:37 |
cristi | nope, with chroot is better | 00:38 |
Kabouik | bash-3.2# mount /home | 00:38 |
Kabouik | mount: can't find UUID=0f8a2490-53ed-4ff6-ba34-b81df3430387 | 00:38 |
Kabouik | bash-3.2# mkdir home | 00:38 |
Kabouik | mkdir: cannot create directory `home': File exists | 00:38 |
Kabouik | bash-3.2# mount /home /home | 00:38 |
Kabouik | mount: /home is not a block device | 00:38 |
Kabouik | I'm a noob, sorry. | 00:38 |
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cristi | just "mount /home" | 00:38 |
Kabouik | TRhat's the first line I c/ced | 00:38 |
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cristi | you just have to bind-mount the /dev | 00:39 |
Kabouik | copy/pasted sorry | 00:39 |
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Kabouik | Not sure what you mean cristi | 00:39 |
cristi | from the outside shell run "mount /dev /mnt/rootfs/dev -o bind" | 00:40 |
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Kabouik | bash-3.2# mount /dev /mnt/rootfs/dev -o bind | 00:41 |
Kabouik | mount: mount point /mnt/rootfs/dev does not exist | 00:41 |
cristi | use the directory where you mounted your chroot | 00:41 |
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cristi | just make sure you add the /dev at the end | 00:41 |
Kabouik | I used /rootfs just as in Malkavian's post | 00:42 |
cristi | (un)fortunately my device is now recovered and I can't type all the commands on it anymore since I am out of the rescue mode | 00:42 |
cristi | then this: mount /dev /rootfs/dev -o bind | 00:43 |
cristi | then re-enter the chroot: chroot /rootfs | 00:43 |
cristi | and you should then be able to run "mount /home" | 00:44 |
Kabouik | No but it's in /mnt/rootfs too, so the above command should have worked | 00:44 |
Kabouik | Not just /rootfs | 00:44 |
Kabouik | Sorry for the ambiguity | 00:44 |
cristi | I don't know, sorry | 00:45 |
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Kabouik | :'( | 00:45 |
Kabouik | Thanks for your time anyway | 00:45 |
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cristi | once you manage to mount it just delete some stuff from /home/nemo/.cache/ to make some space | 00:46 |
cristi | I also deleted some data I didn't really need | 00:47 |
cristi | then rebalance btrfs | 00:47 |
cristi | but afterwards you should find a way to run zypper update, and that needs internet | 00:47 |
Kabouik | I'm stuck then :( | 00:48 |
cristi | it's a mess :( | 00:48 |
cristi | but nevertheless, try the rebalance | 00:48 |
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cristi | I would expect the phone to try to run zypper on its own in such cases, but sailors should confirm this | 00:49 |
Kabouik | Anyway I can't mount /dev :< | 00:49 |
Kabouik | bash-3.2# mount /dev /mnt/rootfs/dev -o bind | 00:50 |
Kabouik | mount: mount point /mnt/rootfs/dev does not exist | 00:50 |
Kabouik | bash-3.2# mkdir /mnt/rootfs/dev | 00:50 |
Kabouik | mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt/rootfs/dev': No such file or directory | 00:50 |
cristi | from outside chroot you already should have mounted the /proc, etc | 00:50 |
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Kabouik | I don't really get it and I'm falling asleep on my keyboard :( | 00:53 |
cristi | you don't need to run "mkdir /mnt/rootfs/dev" | 00:53 |
ortylp | I am trying to debug an app running on Jolla (debug triggered from qtcreator), I get the following: | 00:53 |
ortylp | Debugging starts | 00:53 |
ortylp | bash: gdbserver: command not found | 00:53 |
ortylp | Debugging has failed | 00:53 |
ortylp | Debugging has finished | 00:53 |
Kabouik | I guess it's time to put that sim card in my N900 | 00:53 |
cristi | Kabouik: sorry | 00:53 |
cristi | try again tomorrow | 00:53 |
ortylp | I did "pkcon install gdb", but it does not have gdbserver :( | 00:53 |
Kabouik | But if I run /dev /mnt/rootfs/dev -o bind it complains about /mnt/rootfs/dev not existing cristi | 00:54 |
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cristi | how do you do the chroot? | 00:54 |
cristi | chroot /mnt/rootfs? | 00:54 |
Kabouik | mkdir /mnt/rootfs | 00:54 |
Kabouik | mount /dev/mmcblk0p28 /mnt/rootfs | 00:54 |
Kabouik | chroot /mnt/rootfs | 00:54 |
cristi | do you see dev in there? | 00:55 |
Kabouik | Nope, not even rootfs actually | 00:55 |
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cristi | if you run ls inside the chroot there should be /bin, /dev, etc | 00:56 |
cristi | mount /proc | 00:56 |
cristi | mount /sys | 00:56 |
cristi | mount /dev/pts | 00:56 |
cristi | that might be enough | 00:56 |
Kabouik | I run ls inside /mnt and there's no rootfs dir | 00:56 |
cristi | once you're in chroot it can't be | 00:56 |
Kabouik | I did that but it still does not suffice to mount /home | 00:56 |
cristi | you have to be outside chroot | 00:57 |
cristi | exit it | 00:57 |
cristi | then from the outside shell you have to run that mount /dev ... | 00:57 |
cristi | before entering the chroot | 00:57 |
Kabouik | Ok so /dev is in /lmnt/rootfs | 00:57 |
cristi | exactly | 00:57 |
Kabouik | mount /dev | 00:57 |
Kabouik | :< | 00:58 |
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Kabouik | Ok now /home is mounted! | 00:58 |
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cristi | cool now delete some stuff you can afford to lose | 00:59 |
cristi | or if you have some backups | 00:59 |
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Kabouik | Can I delete * in /home/nemo/.cache/? | 01:00 |
cristi | I wouldn't blindly do it | 01:00 |
Kabouik | Or will I lose settings? | 01:00 |
cristi | no idea | 01:00 |
cristi | i deleted some porn^W browser caches :) | 01:00 |
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Kabouik | :> | 01:00 |
Kabouik | bash-3.2# btrfs balance start -dusage=55 / | 01:02 |
Kabouik | Done, had to relocate 0 out of 22 chunks | 01:02 |
cristi | increase the 55 until it relocates some chunks | 01:02 |
cristi | 65, 75 and so on | 01:02 |
Kabouik | To what extent? No idea of the scale | 01:02 |
Kabouik | Ok | 01:02 |
cristi | 1 or two chunks should do | 01:03 |
Kabouik | 65 takes time, so I guess it relocates stuff | 01:03 |
cristi | but you might get errors, in which case you might need to delete more stuff | 01:03 |
Kabouik | Still busy :< | 01:03 |
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cristi | yes, it's slow like a tortoise | 01:03 |
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Kabouik | I deleted quite large movies from ~/Videos | 01:04 |
Kabouik | So I freed GBs | 01:04 |
cristi | I think multiple smaller files might help more | 01:04 |
cristi | because usually you need to free metadata space more than data space | 01:05 |
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cristi | as I said, I had 4GB free space | 01:05 |
cristi | but metadata was tight | 01:05 |
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Kabouik | * | 01:06 |
Kabouik | Still busy :< | 01:06 |
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Kabouik | I guess I'l let it work overnight and put the sim card in my N900. :/ | 01:08 |
Kabouik | I guess I'l let it work overnight and put the sim card in my N900. :/ | 01:08 |
cristi | ok | 01:09 |
cristi | I hope you can recover it from here | 01:09 |
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Kabouik | Still busy (weird?), I think I'l let it work overnight and put the sim card in my N900. :< | 01:10 |
Kabouik | Still busy (weird?), I think I'l let it work overnight and put the sim card in my N900. :< | 01:10 |
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Kabouik | Don't know if I can ctr+c it in the terminal to stop it, that doesn't seem wise, but on the other hand it seems the process is stuck | 01:11 |
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Kabouik | I will check all that tomorrow :( | 01:13 |
Kabouik | Hope the btrfs balance is not stuck | 01:13 |
cristi | it's not stuck, look at dmesg | 01:13 |
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Kabouik | How do you do that? | 01:14 |
cristi | it's just damn slow | 01:14 |
cristi | you can have a second telnet session and chroot there as well | 01:14 |
cristi | (or perhaps you might use screen) | 01:15 |
cristi | anyway, I'm going to bed, it's 2:15 AM in here | 01:15 |
cristi | good night | 01:15 |
Kabouik | Oh it just ended | 01:15 |
cristi | any chunks? | 01:15 |
Kabouik | bash-3.2# btrfs balance start -dusage=65 / | 01:15 |
Kabouik | ERROR: error during balancing '/' - No space left on device | 01:15 |
Kabouik | There may be more info in syslog - try dmesg | tail | 01:15 |
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cristi | delete more smaller files and retry | 01:16 |
Kabouik | It's 2.15 AM here too, good night and thanks a lot for all your help cristi | 01:16 |
cristi | you're welcome | 01:16 |
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cristi | bye | 01:16 |
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Tofe | ah, I just inserted a brand new ext4 sdcard into my Jolla... I thought it would be pretty simple to move android_storage there and link/bind it, but reading TJC it seems it's not that easy | 08:01 |
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Tofe | chem|st: for info, the sdcard mount instructions (I took Vuubi mount unit) on TJC for moving android data to sdcard work fine, except one step: the btrfs filesystem should be created using the "-O ^extref" option, otherwise it will refuse to be mounted | 09:04 |
krnlyng | ls | 09:04 |
Tofe | (which is, I must say, quite an inconsistency in the current btrfs install on the Jolla device...) | 09:05 |
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chem|st | Tofe: on the device? | 10:10 |
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chem|st | Tofe: I did everything on the device itself, I know of people not doing it on the device having their sdcard ro afterwards or not mounted and I know of people just the same if doing on the device, it is hard to debug something when you never (reading ZERO NULL NEVER) have the same issue with 4+ sdcards | 10:13 |
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chem|st | ask phaeron about mtp not working, his attempts do work but my current sdcard does not... | 10:14 |
chem|st | Tofe: oh and the best is one with working android_storage but the jolla subvolume does not get mounted - he deleted the mount-sd@.service file by accident^^ | 10:15 |
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phaeron | Tofe: that's only needed now with the new release as btrfs-progs has been updated, | 11:41 |
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Tofe | phaeron: well, ok, but still with my Jolla I can create a partition that it won't be able to mount... with the default options. | 11:58 |
phaeron | Tofe: yes that's what I said the new btrfs-progs in the new release on jolla will turn on an incompatible feature. so needs to be disabled while doing mkfs. | 11:58 |
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coderus | 149 euro Ubuntu Phone in February: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/12/bq-ubuntu-phone-launches-in-europe-this-february | 12:20 |
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rZr | coderus, nice | 12:29 |
Tofe | well, it's nice they finally get a device out, but the android buttons are a bit deceiving | 12:30 |
Stskeeps | how would you guys map android buttons into jolla ui, ooi? | 12:31 |
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Tofe | Let's say home would go to home screen, but the others... not sure... | 12:32 |
Tofe | back would go back in a stack, maybe | 12:33 |
Tofe | contextual menu could pop up the notifications | 12:36 |
Nightmare__ | Stskeeps: back button = back swipe but it would cause some problems with apps using that guesture | 12:37 |
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Tofe | or back button could go to home screen, and home go to lock screen. But why have a button to go to lock screen? | 12:38 |
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Stskeeps | added a few comments on https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-hardware-adaptation-team-day-zero-bootstrapping | 12:40 |
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Nightmare__ | which way are we talking about? android buttons doing sailfish tings or sailfish things acting as android buttons? | 12:41 |
phaeron | Tofe: menu button for notifications overview sounds like a good idea :) | 12:42 |
Stskeeps | phaeron: i idly wonder if there's actually touch surface on where buttons would have been | 12:42 |
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coderus | if android keys CAN be mapped into jolla, it should be handled only by lipstick | 12:45 |
Tofe | coderus: agreed, any other solution will be fishy I guess | 12:45 |
Tofe | But it could also be handled by a generic sailfish component, like the PageStack | 12:46 |
Tofe | (or was it StackPage ? anyway.) | 12:46 |
coderus | well | 12:49 |
coderus | if receiver can broadcast keys to topmost application, or just generate global keypress events, you can catch it with MediaKeys component for example and handle using resource policy | 12:50 |
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Tofe | Stskeeps: very good thing, this blog discussion :) Moreover at this early point of the hardware adaptation process. | 12:59 |
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Nightmare__ | what bothers me the most is that the last back-key-press clsoes the andorid app, i would prefer going back to homescreen and keep it running in bg, like a native app | 13:09 |
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SpeedEvil | In a somewhat off-topic vein - was it ever revealed how many n950s actually got built? | 14:03 |
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MoritzJT | Anyone with experience on modem for Jolla here? | 14:46 |
MoritzJT | My 3g won't work anymore after update 10 | 14:46 |
MoritzJT | 4g & 2g do... | 14:46 |
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Plnt | MoritzJT: i didn't noticed any issues with 3g after the update | 14:48 |
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MoritzJT | Am trying to narrow it down. Am testing an app that can toggle modem apparently. worked fine on Update 9 and could be the culprit but it's not running and might have done permanent damage? | 14:49 |
MoritzJT | it still does toggle but i can't login to 3g anymore | 14:49 |
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jcbjoe | i want my jolla | 16:24 |
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temmi_moo | i want my mtv | 16:24 |
jcbjoe | lol | 16:25 |
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jcbjoe | the 1st is two far away | 16:25 |
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WalterN | Stskeeps: how goes the search for a way to keep the tablet secure but still customizable? | 17:14 |
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Stskeeps | tiwake: could be beter | 19:20 |
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r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: you cant add keys to the uefi? or disable secureboot? | 19:23 |
Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: of course you can do a lot of things, but it has to be balanced | 19:23 |
tiwake | Stskeeps: heh... sorry, I don't know such things or I might mention something... but even then I'd imagine such a thing was already thought of | 19:23 |
Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: i've been in situation where we didn't talk about this properly beforehand, so this is the time to do it right before | 19:24 |
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Stskeeps | disabling all security checks is nice, but they also subvert any security checks you might want to have :P | 19:24 |
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r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: its great to have this discussion in the open, whilst things are still in the early stages | 19:25 |
r0kk3rz | wouldnt there be a 'trusted path' to disabling secureboot? | 19:25 |
r0kk3rz | so it cant be disabled by sneaky malware, or an obvious sentinel of sorts | 19:26 |
Stskeeps | well, that'd be nice but in practice, that's 'enter uefi settings with a button' | 19:26 |
Stskeeps | which isn't exactly nice either | 19:26 |
r0kk3rz | like status LED is green when secureboot enabled, red when isnt | 19:26 |
Stskeeps | i'm all for entering uefi settings from a control panel or reboot menu :P | 19:26 |
Stskeeps | after having unlocked my device | 19:26 |
Stskeeps | but at bootup.. errmm | 19:26 |
Stskeeps | :P | 19:27 |
r0kk3rz | key combination works for android phones | 19:27 |
friese | well, maybe if you enable a password for the uefi menu that syncs with the device passcode? | 19:27 |
r0kk3rz | but i guess i see what you mean | 19:27 |
friese | don't know if uefi would support that though... | 19:27 |
r0kk3rz | third party steals your phone | 19:28 |
r0kk3rz | but at that point the game is lost anyway | 19:28 |
Stskeeps | friese: i'd love that, but i don't see a way to do that from linux side atm | 19:28 |
friese | humm | 19:28 |
friese | our dell latitude laptops can do that from windows at least - but they probably have a whole different uefi software... | 19:28 |
Stskeeps | hmm | 19:29 |
r0kk3rz | of course the other issue with the button being in the settings menu, is that the device has to be able to boot that far | 19:30 |
friese | other idea: set initial passcode for uefi in factory and print it on the box - though that's also not that great of an idea i think... | 19:30 |
* Stskeeps ponders on Second, if you want/need to change the UEFI boot settings, you will first have to set a "Supervisor Password" in the BIOS configuration. Once the password is set, you can disable Secure Boot and/or enable Legacy Boot as necessary. | 19:30 | |
Stskeeps | friese: trust me, labelling is hard enough in first place.. :P | 19:30 |
friese | must people would probably never use it anyway, throw the box away and damn... | 19:30 |
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friese | Stskeeps: but would that solve the problem? i mean a thief could also set the supervisor password then; if jolla tablet is marketed also to "regular users", i guess most wouldn't set a password in uefi | 19:32 |
r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: that sounds like its unpassworded by default though | 19:32 |
r0kk3rz | and default will be the case on majority of devices for their lifetime | 19:32 |
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Stskeeps | i've been a bit out of the loop for a while, but getting rid of BIOS password through cmos battery reset is history nowadays, right? | 19:34 |
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Stskeeps | ie that they're probably in flash somehow | 19:34 |
friese | to be honest: i think that would be kinda acceptable, i mean most laptops are also sold that way, so why not? would rather think about implementing sth. like luks/dm_crypt so the possible thief can't access my private data | 19:34 |
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r0kk3rz | alternative method, is what HTC did for unlocking the bootloader of their phones | 19:34 |
Stskeeps | luks/dm_crypt is lovely if you don't have to deal with evil maids.. | 19:35 |
friese | uhm, at least on enterprise hardware, yeah - wouldn't be that sure about consumer electronics | 19:35 |
Stskeeps | and i go over some very scary borders at times.. | 19:35 |
r0kk3rz | ie. you need to sign up and request the keys to your device | 19:35 |
Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: yeah.. but that's also a little evil | 19:35 |
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Stskeeps | in case htc goes away, or stops doing the service | 19:35 |
r0kk3rz | which could be marshalled through dev-mode enable | 19:35 |
r0kk3rz | i agree, but thats one way to do secure by default | 19:36 |
r0kk3rz | rather than something inbetween | 19:36 |
Stskeeps | i think i have a small bunch of questions to our ODM after xmas.. | 19:37 |
Stskeeps | and a lot of documentation to read.. | 19:37 |
friese | if the uefi-tool was easy enough for users, sth. like big touch-friendly ui that greets the user the first time the device is powered on, it could be marketed as kinda 'extra security feature' ;) | 19:37 |
r0kk3rz | without a 'trusted third party' type scenario, would be attackers can always have an attack vector | 19:37 |
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r0kk3rz | hmmm, unless you implement a 'full device wipe' type thing. where in order to disable secure boot the device wipes itself | 19:39 |
r0kk3rz | so you get to keep the phone, but lose all the data on it | 19:39 |
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Stskeeps | hmm, maybe efi shell stuff can do it.. | 19:40 |
beidl | might need efi drivers for the used filesystem though. or create a flag file to a separate partition which can be checked for in late boot to trigger formatting. | 19:42 |
r0kk3rz | yeah im just throwing ideas out, nfi whether its feasable or not | 19:42 |
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r0kk3rz | might be a mean prank to play on your friends | 19:43 |
r0kk3rz | if you have friends that do things like that | 19:44 |
beidl | at least you are going to notice so you can at least kill your asshole friends after the fact | 19:45 |
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r0kk3rz | yeah | 19:46 |
r0kk3rz | i think even my friends wouldnt do that | 19:47 |
r0kk3rz | inconvenient reversable things sure, | 19:47 |
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* beidl would propose new marketing line: "lets you figure out if your friends are dicks or not" | 19:47 | |
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r0kk3rz | its the australian thing to do | 19:49 |
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coderus | Spot a new patch on screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/md6e0JF.png | 20:49 |
coderus | Spot a new patch on screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/md6e0JF.png | 20:49 |
Nicd- | coderus: Ellen McClain* :) | 20:51 |
Nicd- | sorry McLain | 20:51 |
Nicd- | also the name of that track is Cara Mia Addio, by Aperture Science Psychoacoustics Laboratories | 20:52 |
Nicd- | in the Portal 2 OST | 20:52 |
coderus | right | 20:52 |
coderus | but what is patch on screenshot? | 20:52 |
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tadzik | shiny new mediacontrol, it seems | 21:04 |
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coderus | great! :) | 21:18 |
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