#jollamobile log for Saturday, 2014-12-20

coderuscvp_: i'm just trying to build all together, it's krnlyng work :)00:00
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cvp_krnlyng?00:01
cvp_cool if its possible toconnect a Playstation 3/4 Controller to jolla phone :D00:02
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M4rtinKreally looking forward to TOHKBD2 :)00:05
M4rtinKshould make the emulators much more usable :)00:06
cvp__damn i forget it to buy one...00:06
M4rtinKcvp_: oops! :)00:06
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cvp__but its ok.... hope next year comes jolla phone 2 :)00:07
cvp__fingercross00:07
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ortylpcross-compiling for Jolla: what do I have to do to compile standard linux app (./configure && make) for Jolla?  what wrapper command do I need to use or which SDK VM I need to log in to?00:11
Yanielthe mer build VM00:11
Yanieland afaik you need to use the sb2 wrapper00:11
Yanielwhich you need to tell you want the armv7hl env00:11
ortylpsb2?00:12
r0kk3rzShadowJK: would be great to get a unity port for sailfish, would totally help the native games situation00:12
ortylpYaniel: thanks for the hint :)00:12
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M4rtinKortylp: there is also the OBS: https://build.merproject.org/00:13
M4rtinKortylp: it has a sailfish target00:13
YanielI'm guessing it stands for scratchbox00:14
ortylpYaniel: then it makes much more sense00:14
M4rtinKortylp: and can be used to easily build packages from OpenSUSE, Fedora & co :)00:14
ortylpM4rtinK: I have heard something about OBS in 2010 in Dublin, but have not looked into it yet...00:16
M4rtinKortylp: it is basically a build system00:17
M4rtinKyou give it a tarball and spec and it spits out an RPM a lot of errors or both :)00:17
M4rtinKthe build happens somewhere in the build farm and you don't have to install anything locally00:18
M4rtinKit also creates a repository for the package automatically :)00:18
ortylpM4rtinK: yeah... just like compiling symbian binaries on linux...00:18
M4rtinKortylp: they had some crazy remote compiler, right ?00:18
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M4rtinKortylp: in this case the sailfish target on the OBS basically has the same thing as the build VM in the SDK :)00:19
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KabouikStill no success, and in Linux Mint, every time I try to plug the Jolla, everything totally freezes (have to hard reboot the computer)00:19
ortylpM4rtinK: It is really useful if you are working towards upstream, I would feel better if I could get preconfigured VM to tinker with the sources/binaries locally00:19
M4rtinKI use OBS so that I don't need to care about keeping the SDK working and up to date :)00:19
cristiKabouik: sorry to hear that00:20
M4rtinKortylp: that's basically the SDK :)00:20
ortylpM4rtinK: yep, this remote compilet thing, it was ta least better than nothing :)00:20
M4rtinKBTW, I remeber that the late MeeGO OBS supported local builds00:20
M4rtinKit kinda downloaded all the things locally to you machine00:20
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Kabouikcristi can you tell me what to do if my RNDIS gets "unidentified" as soon as I share the internet connection to it?00:21
M4rtinKno idea if the Mer OBS can do that too00:21
ortylpM4rtinK: nice00:21
ortylpM4rtinK: if MER SDK VM is enough for ./configure && make && make rpm then I am set :)00:21
cristiKabouik: no idea, I'm not very familiar with windows00:21
Kabouik:(00:22
cristiKabouik: could you use the telnet and start the wifi network on the jolla instead?00:22
KabouikI don't know, how could I start Wifi from the Jolla from the recovery shell?00:23
cristiperhaps that would be easier00:23
cristiwell, once you would be in the chroot I think you can just run the networking service00:23
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KabouikDo you know the commands? And how to enter the WPA key and so on?00:24
cristiI am just guess ing here, but if you had it configured it should just work00:25
KabouikI did00:25
cristisystemctl restart connman.service00:25
Kabouikbash-3.2# systemctl restart connman.service00:26
KabouikRunning in chroot, ignoring request.00:26
cristibut then again, you might be impacted by the same btrfs issues that I was facing00:26
cristitry to look at "btrfs filesystem df /"00:27
cristiand/or "zypper update"00:27
Kabouikbash-3.2# btrfs filesystem df /00:27
KabouikData, single: total=13.08GiB, used=11.47GiB00:27
KabouikSystem, DUP: total=8.00MiB, used=4.00KiB00:27
KabouikSystem, single: total=4.00MiB, used=0.0000:27
KabouikMetadata, DUP: total=330.00MiB, used=232.86MiB00:27
KabouikMetadata, single: total=8.00MiB, used=0.0000:27
Kabouikzypper update fails due to connection failure00:28
cristi btrfs balance start -dusage=55 /00:28
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KabouikToo few arguments, it says00:28
cristiI had to remove some files and change the dusage number until it moved at least a chunk00:29
KabouikBut do I need that here?00:29
cristiyou might not need it, that's just the problem I had00:30
cristifor me zypper just failed due to low disk space issues00:30
KabouikYeah but you could use your computer as a router, I can't :(00:30
Kabouikcd /home00:31
KabouikOups00:31
cristilook at /var/log/zypp/history and see if you get some disk space errors00:31
cristi# error: unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/bin/nmap: cpio: rename failed - No space left on device00:32
cristiI had plenty like this one ^^^00:32
cristialthough df -h reported 4GB free00:32
Kabouikbash: /var/log/zypp/history: Permission denied00:32
Kabouik and devel-su fails to auth me with my usual password :<00:32
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cristiif you're in chroot you should be logged in as root00:33
KabouikI'm in chroot but permission denied00:33
cristiuse less, cat or tail00:33
cristiit's not an executable, it's  a log file you have to read as text00:33
KabouikWeird00:35
Kabouikbash-3.2# tail /var/log/zypp/history: Permission denied00:35
Kabouiktail: cannot open `/var/log/zypp/history:' for reading: No such file or directory00:35
Kabouiktail: cannot open `Permission' for reading: No such file or directory00:35
Kabouiktail: cannot open `denied' for reading: No such file or directory00:35
cristi tail /var/log/zypp/history00:35
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Kabouikhttp://hastebin.com/xakixajuco.sm00:36
cristierror: unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/lib/dsme/iphb.so: cpio: rename failed - No space left on device00:37
cristitry to delete some files and do the btrfs rebalance until you can get a couple of chunks moved00:37
KabouikBut I can't find /home/nemo00:37
KabouikDo I need to shell without chroot?00:37
cristimount /home00:37
cristinope, with chroot is better00:38
Kabouikbash-3.2# mount /home00:38
Kabouikmount: can't find UUID=0f8a2490-53ed-4ff6-ba34-b81df343038700:38
Kabouikbash-3.2# mkdir home00:38
Kabouikmkdir: cannot create directory `home': File exists00:38
Kabouikbash-3.2# mount /home /home00:38
Kabouikmount:  /home is not a block device00:38
KabouikI'm a noob, sorry.00:38
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cristijust "mount /home"00:38
KabouikTRhat's the first line I c/ced00:38
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cristiyou just have to bind-mount the /dev00:39
Kabouikcopy/pasted sorry00:39
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KabouikNot sure what you mean cristi00:39
cristifrom the outside shell run "mount /dev /mnt/rootfs/dev -o bind"00:40
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Kabouikbash-3.2# mount /dev /mnt/rootfs/dev -o bind00:41
Kabouikmount: mount point /mnt/rootfs/dev does not exist00:41
cristiuse the directory where you mounted your chroot00:41
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cristijust make sure you add the /dev at the end00:41
KabouikI used /rootfs just as in Malkavian's post00:42
cristi(un)fortunately my device is now recovered and I can't type all the commands on it anymore since I am out of the rescue mode00:42
cristithen this: mount /dev /rootfs/dev -o bind00:43
cristithen re-enter the chroot: chroot  /rootfs00:43
cristiand you should then be able to run "mount /home"00:44
KabouikNo but it's in /mnt/rootfs too, so the above command should have worked00:44
KabouikNot just /rootfs00:44
KabouikSorry for the ambiguity00:44
cristiI don't know, sorry00:45
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Kabouik:'(00:45
KabouikThanks for your time anyway00:45
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cristionce you manage to mount it just delete some stuff from /home/nemo/.cache/ to make some space00:46
cristiI also deleted some data I didn't really need00:47
cristithen rebalance btrfs00:47
cristibut afterwards you should find a way to run zypper update, and that needs internet00:47
KabouikI'm stuck then :(00:48
cristiit's a mess :(00:48
cristibut nevertheless, try the rebalance00:48
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cristiI would expect the phone to try to run zypper on its own in such cases, but sailors should confirm this00:49
KabouikAnyway I can't mount /dev :<00:49
Kabouikbash-3.2# mount /dev /mnt/rootfs/dev -o bind00:50
Kabouikmount: mount point /mnt/rootfs/dev does not exist00:50
Kabouikbash-3.2# mkdir /mnt/rootfs/dev00:50
Kabouikmkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt/rootfs/dev': No such file or directory00:50
cristifrom outside chroot you already should have mounted the /proc, etc00:50
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KabouikI don't really get it and I'm falling asleep on my keyboard :(00:53
cristiyou don't need to run "mkdir /mnt/rootfs/dev"00:53
ortylpI am trying to debug an app running on Jolla (debug triggered from qtcreator), I get the following:00:53
ortylpDebugging starts00:53
ortylpbash: gdbserver: command not found00:53
ortylpDebugging has failed00:53
ortylpDebugging has finished00:53
KabouikI guess it's time to put that sim card in my N90000:53
cristiKabouik: sorry00:53
cristitry again tomorrow00:53
ortylpI did "pkcon install gdb", but it does not have gdbserver :(00:53
KabouikBut if I run /dev /mnt/rootfs/dev -o bind it complains about /mnt/rootfs/dev not existing cristi00:54
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cristihow do you do the chroot?00:54
cristichroot /mnt/rootfs?00:54
Kabouikmkdir /mnt/rootfs00:54
Kabouikmount /dev/mmcblk0p28 /mnt/rootfs00:54
Kabouikchroot /mnt/rootfs00:54
cristido you see dev in there?00:55
KabouikNope, not even rootfs actually00:55
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cristiif you run ls inside the chroot there should be /bin, /dev, etc00:56
cristimount /proc00:56
cristimount /sys00:56
cristimount /dev/pts00:56
cristithat might be enough00:56
KabouikI run ls inside /mnt and there's no rootfs dir00:56
cristionce you're in chroot it can't be00:56
KabouikI did that but it still does not suffice to mount /home00:56
cristiyou have to be outside chroot00:57
cristiexit it00:57
cristithen from the outside shell you have to run that mount /dev ...00:57
cristibefore entering the chroot00:57
KabouikOk so /dev is in /lmnt/rootfs00:57
cristiexactly00:57
Kabouikmount /dev00:57
Kabouik:<00:58
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KabouikOk now /home is mounted!00:58
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cristicool now delete some stuff you can afford to lose00:59
cristior if you have some backups00:59
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KabouikCan I delete * in /home/nemo/.cache/?01:00
cristiI wouldn't blindly do it01:00
KabouikOr will I lose settings?01:00
cristino idea01:00
cristii deleted some porn^W browser caches :)01:00
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Kabouik:>01:00
Kabouikbash-3.2# btrfs balance start -dusage=55 /01:02
KabouikDone, had to relocate 0 out of 22 chunks01:02
cristiincrease the 55 until it relocates some chunks01:02
cristi65, 75 and so on01:02
KabouikTo what extent? No idea of the scale01:02
KabouikOk01:02
cristi1 or two chunks should do01:03
Kabouik65 takes time, so I guess it relocates stuff01:03
cristibut you might get errors, in which case you might need to delete more stuff01:03
KabouikStill busy :<01:03
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cristiyes, it's slow like a tortoise01:03
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KabouikI deleted quite large movies from  ~/Videos01:04
KabouikSo I freed GBs01:04
cristiI think multiple smaller files might help more01:04
cristibecause usually you need to free metadata space more than data space01:05
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cristias I said, I had 4GB free space01:05
cristibut metadata was tight01:05
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Kabouik*01:06
KabouikStill busy :<01:06
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KabouikI guess I'l let it work overnight and put the sim card in my N900. :/01:08
KabouikI guess I'l let it work overnight and put the sim card in my N900. :/01:08
cristiok01:09
cristiI hope you can recover it from here01:09
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KabouikStill busy (weird?), I think I'l let it work overnight and put the sim card in my N900. :<01:10
KabouikStill busy (weird?), I think I'l let it work overnight and put the sim card in my N900. :<01:10
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KabouikDon't know if I can ctr+c it in the terminal to stop it, that doesn't seem wise, but on the other hand it seems the process is stuck01:11
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KabouikI will check all that tomorrow :(01:13
KabouikHope the btrfs balance is not stuck01:13
cristiit's not stuck, look at dmesg01:13
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KabouikHow do you do that?01:14
cristiit's just damn slow01:14
cristiyou can have a second telnet session and chroot there as well01:14
cristi(or perhaps you might use screen)01:15
cristianyway, I'm going to bed, it's 2:15 AM in here01:15
cristigood night01:15
KabouikOh it just ended01:15
cristiany chunks?01:15
Kabouikbash-3.2# btrfs balance start -dusage=65 /01:15
KabouikERROR: error during balancing '/' - No space left on device01:15
KabouikThere may be more info in syslog - try dmesg | tail01:15
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cristidelete more smaller files and retry01:16
KabouikIt's 2.15 AM here too, good night and thanks a lot for all your help cristi01:16
cristiyou're welcome01:16
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cristibye01:16
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Tofeah, I just inserted a brand new ext4 sdcard into my Jolla... I thought it would be pretty simple to move android_storage there and link/bind it, but reading TJC it seems it's not that easy08:01
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Tofechem|st: for info, the sdcard mount instructions (I took Vuubi mount unit) on TJC for moving android data to sdcard work fine, except one step: the btrfs filesystem should be created using the "-O ^extref" option, otherwise it will refuse to be mounted09:04
krnlyngls09:04
Tofe(which is, I must say, quite an inconsistency in the current btrfs install on the Jolla device...)09:05
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chem|stTofe: on the device?10:10
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chem|stTofe: I did everything on the device itself, I know of people not doing it on the device having their sdcard ro afterwards or not mounted and I know of people just the same if doing on the device, it is hard to debug something when you never (reading ZERO NULL NEVER) have the same issue with 4+ sdcards10:13
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chem|stask phaeron about mtp not working, his attempts do work but my current sdcard does not...10:14
chem|stTofe: oh and the best is one with working android_storage but the jolla subvolume does not get mounted - he deleted the mount-sd@.service file by accident^^10:15
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phaeronTofe: that's only needed now with the new release as btrfs-progs has been updated,11:41
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Tofephaeron: well, ok, but still with my Jolla I can create a partition that it won't be able to mount... with the default options.11:58
phaeronTofe: yes that's what I said the new btrfs-progs in the new release on jolla will turn on an incompatible feature. so needs to be disabled while doing mkfs.11:58
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coderus149 euro Ubuntu Phone in February: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/12/bq-ubuntu-phone-launches-in-europe-this-february12:20
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rZrcoderus, nice12:29
Tofewell, it's nice they finally get a device out, but the android buttons are a bit deceiving12:30
Stskeepshow would you guys map android buttons into jolla ui, ooi?12:31
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TofeLet's say home would go to home screen, but the others... not sure...12:32
Tofeback would go back in a stack, maybe12:33
Tofecontextual menu could pop up the notifications12:36
Nightmare__Stskeeps: back button = back swipe but it would cause some problems with apps using that guesture12:37
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Tofeor back button could go to home screen, and home go to lock screen. But why have a button to go to lock screen?12:38
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Stskeepsadded a few comments on https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-hardware-adaptation-team-day-zero-bootstrapping12:40
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Nightmare__which way are we talking about? android buttons doing sailfish tings or sailfish things acting as android buttons?12:41
phaeronTofe: menu button for notifications overview sounds like a good idea :)12:42
Stskeepsphaeron: i idly wonder if there's actually touch surface on where buttons would have been12:42
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coderusif android keys CAN be mapped into jolla, it should be handled only by lipstick12:45
Tofecoderus: agreed, any other solution will be fishy I guess12:45
TofeBut it could also be handled by a generic sailfish component, like the PageStack12:46
Tofe(or was it StackPage ? anyway.)12:46
coderuswell12:49
coderusif receiver can broadcast keys to topmost application, or just generate global keypress events, you can catch it with MediaKeys component for example and handle using resource policy12:50
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TofeStskeeps: very good thing, this blog discussion :) Moreover at this early point of the hardware adaptation process.12:59
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Nightmare__what bothers me the most is that the last back-key-press clsoes the andorid app, i would prefer going back to homescreen and keep it running in bg, like a native app13:09
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SpeedEvilIn a somewhat off-topic vein - was it ever revealed how many n950s actually got built?14:03
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MoritzJTAnyone with experience on modem for Jolla here?14:46
MoritzJTMy 3g won't work anymore after update 1014:46
MoritzJT4g & 2g do...14:46
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PlntMoritzJT: i didn't noticed any issues with 3g after the update14:48
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MoritzJTAm trying to narrow it down. Am testing an app that can toggle modem apparently. worked fine on Update 9 and could be the culprit but it's not running and might have done permanent damage?14:49
MoritzJTit still does toggle but i can't login to 3g anymore14:49
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jcbjoei want my jolla16:24
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temmi_mooi want my mtv16:24
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DrainBamagedMe, me, me in here16:25
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jcbjoethe 1st is two far away16:25
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WalterNStskeeps: how goes the search for a way to keep the tablet secure but still customizable?17:14
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Stskeepstiwake: could be beter19:20
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r0kk3rzStskeeps: you cant add keys to the uefi? or disable secureboot?19:23
Stskeepsr0kk3rz: of course you can do a lot of things, but it has to be balanced19:23
tiwakeStskeeps: heh... sorry, I don't know such things or I might mention something... but even then I'd imagine such a thing was already thought of19:23
Stskeepsr0kk3rz: i've been in situation where we didn't talk about this properly beforehand, so this is the time to do it right before19:24
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Stskeepsdisabling all security checks is nice, but they also subvert any security checks you might want to have :P19:24
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r0kk3rzStskeeps: its great to have this discussion in the open, whilst things are still in the early stages19:25
r0kk3rzwouldnt there be a 'trusted path' to disabling secureboot?19:25
r0kk3rzso it cant be disabled by sneaky malware, or an obvious sentinel of sorts19:26
Stskeepswell, that'd be nice but in practice, that's 'enter uefi settings with a button'19:26
Stskeepswhich isn't exactly nice either19:26
r0kk3rzlike status LED is green when secureboot enabled, red when isnt19:26
Stskeepsi'm all for entering uefi settings from a control panel or reboot menu :P19:26
Stskeepsafter having unlocked my device19:26
Stskeepsbut at bootup.. errmm19:26
Stskeeps:P19:27
r0kk3rzkey combination works for android phones19:27
friesewell, maybe if you enable a password for the uefi menu that syncs with the device passcode?19:27
r0kk3rzbut i guess i see what you mean19:27
friesedon't know if uefi would support that though...19:27
r0kk3rzthird party steals your phone19:28
r0kk3rzbut at that point the game is lost anyway19:28
Stskeepsfriese: i'd love that, but i don't see a way to do that from linux side atm19:28
friesehumm19:28
frieseour dell latitude laptops can do that from windows at least - but they probably have a whole different uefi software...19:28
Stskeepshmm19:29
r0kk3rzof course the other issue with the button being in the settings menu, is that the device has to be able to boot that far19:30
frieseother idea: set initial passcode for uefi in factory and print it on the box - though that's also not that great of an idea i think...19:30
* Stskeeps ponders on Second, if you want/need to change the UEFI boot settings, you will first have to set a "Supervisor Password" in the BIOS configuration. Once the password is set, you can disable Secure Boot and/or enable Legacy Boot as necessary.19:30
Stskeepsfriese: trust me, labelling is hard enough in first place.. :P19:30
friesemust people would probably never use it anyway, throw the box away and damn...19:30
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frieseStskeeps: but would that solve the problem? i mean a thief could  also set the supervisor password then; if jolla tablet is marketed also to "regular users", i guess most wouldn't set a password in uefi19:32
r0kk3rzStskeeps: that sounds like its unpassworded by default though19:32
r0kk3rzand default will be the case on majority of devices for their lifetime19:32
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Stskeepsi've been a bit out of the loop for a while, but getting rid of BIOS password through cmos battery reset is history nowadays, right?19:34
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Stskeepsie that they're probably in flash somehow19:34
frieseto be honest: i think that would be kinda acceptable, i mean most laptops are also sold that way, so why not? would rather think about implementing sth. like luks/dm_crypt so the possible thief can't access my private data19:34
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r0kk3rzalternative method, is what HTC did for unlocking the bootloader of their phones19:34
Stskeepsluks/dm_crypt is lovely if you don't have to deal with evil maids..19:35
frieseuhm, at least on enterprise hardware, yeah - wouldn't be that sure about consumer electronics19:35
Stskeepsand i go over some very scary borders at times..19:35
r0kk3rzie. you need to sign up and request the keys to your device19:35
Stskeepsr0kk3rz: yeah.. but that's also a little evil19:35
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Stskeepsin case htc goes away, or stops doing the service19:35
r0kk3rzwhich could be marshalled through dev-mode enable19:35
r0kk3rzi agree, but thats one way to do secure by default19:36
r0kk3rzrather than something inbetween19:36
Stskeepsi think i have a small bunch of questions to our ODM after xmas..19:37
Stskeepsand a lot of documentation to read..19:37
frieseif the uefi-tool was easy enough for users, sth. like big touch-friendly ui that greets the user the first time the device is powered on, it could be marketed as kinda 'extra security feature' ;)19:37
r0kk3rzwithout a 'trusted third party' type scenario, would be attackers can always have an attack vector19:37
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r0kk3rzhmmm, unless you implement a 'full device wipe' type thing. where in order to disable secure boot the device wipes itself19:39
r0kk3rzso you get to keep the phone, but lose all the data on it19:39
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Stskeepshmm, maybe efi shell stuff can do it..19:40
beidlmight need efi drivers for the used filesystem though. or create a flag file to a separate partition which can be checked for in late boot to trigger formatting.19:42
r0kk3rzyeah im just throwing ideas out, nfi whether its feasable or not19:42
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r0kk3rzmight be a mean prank to play on your friends19:43
r0kk3rzif you have friends that do things like that19:44
beidlat least you are going to notice so you can at least kill your asshole friends after the fact19:45
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r0kk3rzyeah19:46
r0kk3rzi think even my friends wouldnt do that19:47
r0kk3rzinconvenient reversable things sure,19:47
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* beidl would propose new marketing line: "lets you figure out if your friends are dicks or not"19:47
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r0kk3rzits the australian thing to do19:49
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coderusSpot a new patch on screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/md6e0JF.png20:49
coderusSpot a new patch on screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/md6e0JF.png20:49
Nicd-coderus: Ellen McClain* :)20:51
Nicd-sorry McLain20:51
Nicd-also the name of that track is Cara Mia Addio, by Aperture Science Psychoacoustics Laboratories20:52
Nicd-in the Portal 2 OST20:52
coderusright20:52
coderusbut what is patch on screenshot?20:52
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tadzikshiny new mediacontrol, it seems21:04
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coderusgreat! :)21:18
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