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| mornfall | aaaand, reboot | 00:49 |
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| mornfall | second today, I cleaned battery contacts twice recently | 00:49 |
| mornfall | also got a piece of paper in there | 00:50 |
| mornfall | this is starting to be hopeless | 00:50 |
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| tiwake | with a half empty bottle of rum | 05:41 |
| Colgate | I don't think this is my bottle of rum :( | 05:41 |
| Colgate | but I'm drinking it anyways, it was in the fridge and unlabeled | 05:41 |
| Colgate | fair game right? | 05:41 |
| tiwake | the one I'm flailing at you with? | 05:42 |
| tiwake | oh, the one you are drinking? | 05:42 |
| tiwake | no idea | 05:42 |
| Colgate | yeah! | 05:42 |
| tiwake | does it matter? | 05:42 |
| Colgate | I don't know :O | 05:42 |
| tiwake | drink enough and it wont | 05:43 |
| tiwake | lol | 05:43 |
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| Morpog_PC | so stskeeps is preparing mouse support lately? :D https://together.jolla.com/question/75940/a-mouse-in-my-jolla-just-wanna-understand/ | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | wat | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | and no | 08:44 |
| Morpog_PC | was just a joke ;) | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | mouse cursors are death for performance | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:44 |
| Morpog_PC | still a nice bug | 08:44 |
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| Stskeeps | http://whatthefuckismywearablestrategy.com/ | 08:55 |
| Morpog_PC | :D | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | also known as CES product generator | 08:57 |
| tbr | hrm, why is ustream suddenly not working in chrome on my android TV thing... | 09:02 |
| * tbr wants to watch the SpaceX launch | 09:02 | |
| Morpog_PC | link? | 09:06 |
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| Morpog_PC | found it | 09:07 |
| tbr | ustream.tv front page has it | 09:07 |
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| Stskeeps | http://intermediatesql.com/linux/scrap-the-scp-how-to-copy-data-fast-using-pigz-and-nc/ | 09:19 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Small-NFC-Reader-for-Android-13_1764558840.html | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | that's actually kinda clever | 09:31 |
| Morpog_PC | but looks kinda strange when using it :D | 09:32 |
| ArtVandalae | Traffic transferred via scp is encrypted. nc traffic isn't, I'm not sure if pigz allows encryption. | 09:32 |
| ArtVandalae | ah, he says that at the bottom. My bad! | 09:32 |
| Morpog_PC | tbr, on nasa TV it's in HD and maybe that one works better for you | 09:33 |
| Morpog_PC | http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html#.VLDxxnv7NSA | 09:33 |
| kimmoli | stskeeps http://hackaday.io/project/1974-tj-99-thermal-imager there is other gadgets to headphonejacks too | 09:34 |
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| Stskeeps | somebody should do a combo headphone jack and usb charging cable | 09:34 |
| Bysmyyr | http://www.spacex.com/webcast/ | 09:36 |
| temmi_moo | somebody should get rid of the jack and musb connectors in favor of something where the cable connector always breaks and leaves the pcb/panel receptable intact | 09:36 |
| temmi_moo | good morningn from pipe dreams land | 09:37 |
| tbr | Morpog_PC: nasatv is Ustream | 09:42 |
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| Morpog_PC | was another video for me | 09:42 |
| tbr | Morpog_PC: funny enough there I get a plugin error with chrome (already tried) | 09:42 |
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| tbr | the problem seems to be that the HD stream the Ustream android app tries to get doesn't work properly and it keeps rebuffering every 10-30s | 09:43 |
| tbr | I've tried this on several finnish ISPs and several android devices | 09:43 |
| tbr | and it doesn't fall back to lower quality | 09:44 |
| r0kk3rz | temmi_moo: apparently the new usb connector is designed with a tougher socket | 09:44 |
| temmi_moo | hopefully so | 09:45 |
| r0kk3rz | but i do think the socket will still break before the cable | 09:45 |
| r0kk3rz | which is silly | 09:45 |
| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: luckily we have an i2c connector and dont have to resort to silly headphone jack hacks :) | 09:46 |
| temmi_moo | relationship of outside of plug to inside of plug should be so that the force is at least not multiplied | 09:46 |
| temmi_moo | also i like the magnetically held connectors from apple | 09:47 |
| temmi_moo | sadly they decided to keep it one-horse race and those are always short-lived | 09:47 |
| temmi_moo | i'd love a spring loaded magnetically held data connector | 09:47 |
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| temmi_moo | also one that's standard for everyone | 09:48 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | 09:48 |
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| temmi_moo | ethernet connector is nice in this context that it's always the plug end that suffers | 09:49 |
| r0kk3rz | do away with sockets all together, use wireless charging and wireless comms | 09:49 |
| temmi_moo | very hard to destroy a device then yanking cables | 09:49 |
| r0kk3rz | but it should be possible to have a magsafe usb connector, not sure why it hasnt been done | 09:50 |
| r0kk3rz | patents probably | 09:50 |
| temmi_moo | i guess | 09:50 |
| temmi_moo | yes, from technical point there is nothing to stop a magsafe usb or even magsafe ethernet | 09:50 |
| temmi_moo | or magsafe thunderbolt or whatever | 09:50 |
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| r0kk3rz | well usb is 4pin, make it 8pin reversable with magnet housing | 09:52 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe its too expensive | 09:52 |
| temmi_moo | take that last one back a bit, that kind of fast signals might have something against spring loadedness or certain uncertainity of the connection geometry | 09:52 |
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| temmi_moo | usb is also ugly | 09:52 |
| temmi_moo | i mean from protocol point of view | 09:52 |
| r0kk3rz | well | 09:53 |
| Nightmare__ | https://together.jolla.com/question/75979/bug-lock-code-screen-is-not-displayed-while-charging-and-app-in-foreground/ <- any opinions to that thread? | 09:53 |
| r0kk3rz | its a backwards compatibillity nightmare | 09:53 |
| r0kk3rz | with all sorts of features hacked onto it | 09:53 |
| temmi_moo | i prefer ip over ethernet | 09:55 |
| temmi_moo | but then that's kind of new thinking that actually ip could connect anything to anything | 09:55 |
| r0kk3rz | ipv6 everywhere! | 09:56 |
| temmi_moo | nothing to stop that actually but still vendors and people come up with "lower level" approaches that end up having horrendously big software stacks | 09:56 |
| temmi_moo | YES | 09:56 |
| tbr | ipv6 <3 | 09:56 |
| temmi_moo | the l1/l2 in ethernet is lightweight and l3 in v6 is also pretty fast | 09:57 |
| temmi_moo | v4 is more complex | 09:57 |
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| temmi_moo | for small devices there are cool protocols like coap which allow you to process the response packet to a query inplace so you'll do with just kibs of ram | 09:58 |
| * tbr is currently playing with Contiki and 6LoWPAN | 09:59 | |
| temmi_moo | i'm not sure people realise that a v6 keyboard would need a lot less software than a usb keyboard | 09:59 |
| r0kk3rz | well they do have a new feature in usb3.1 | 09:59 |
| r0kk3rz | to allow other protocols to run over usb | 09:59 |
| temmi_moo | of course they do | 09:59 |
| temmi_moo | encapsulation is king | 09:59 |
| r0kk3rz | so you can use hdmi over usb, display port over usb | 09:59 |
| r0kk3rz | and no doubt, ip over usb | 09:59 |
| temmi_moo | nothing to that, except that usb itself is already a huge mess | 09:59 |
| temmi_moo | so in that context usb is not a good choice to encapsulate something in | 10:00 |
| r0kk3rz | well, except its got market share | 10:00 |
| temmi_moo | i'm about to kill that | 10:00 |
| temmi_moo | :) | 10:00 |
| r0kk3rz | good :) | 10:00 |
| temmi_moo | think big, as arnold said | 10:00 |
| temmi_moo | i've got ethernet | 10:00 |
| temmi_moo | not mine, doesn't need to be mine | 10:00 |
| temmi_moo | i've also got ietf and openness | 10:00 |
| r0kk3rz | to be fair ethernet also has fair market share | 10:01 |
| temmi_moo | yes | 10:01 |
| r0kk3rz | the ietf seems to be a useless organisation though | 10:01 |
| temmi_moo | and ethernet got a nice track record of being suitable to pretty much any level networking | 10:01 |
| temmi_moo | for nearly ten years it has been l2 of choice for planet core networks and national local core networks as well as man core networks etc | 10:02 |
| temmi_moo | think about it for a while, telecom with its history of atm and frame relays and all that are now implemented in ethernet, a small indie free open protocol from some university internet dude | 10:03 |
| temmi_moo | well, two | 10:03 |
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| r0kk3rz | well you'll need something other than you're usual rj45 to have any traction on mobile | 10:05 |
| temmi_moo | sure | 10:05 |
| temmi_moo | i hate the connector | 10:05 |
| temmi_moo | its only good aspects are that it is cheap and the plug sacrifices itself in favour of receptable | 10:06 |
| temmi_moo | i think that in mobile, connections should be wireless | 10:06 |
| r0kk3rz | preferable | 10:06 |
| r0kk3rz | but wireless charging needs a bit of work | 10:06 |
| r0kk3rz | especially now they have the whole super usb charging thing | 10:07 |
| * Nightmare__ was playing with EtherAT - a Ethernet baes automation bus for thesis, protocoll was quite easy with realtime manipulation of the signal by slaves | 10:08 | |
| Nightmare__ | EtherCAT | 10:08 |
| temmi_moo | they're trying to map traditional multidrop memory mapped bus semantics on top of star ethernet? | 10:08 |
| temmi_moo | personally i think the field bus semantics of memory map is outdated | 10:10 |
| Nightmare__ | more using hardware and layer and mac in a ringbus | 10:11 |
| Nightmare__ | i mean phys and datalink layer | 10:11 |
| Trezker | "Rocket made it to drone spaceport ship, but landed hard. Close, but no cigar this time. Bodes well for the future though." - SpaceX | 10:11 |
| sebsebseb | ok help | 10:14 |
| sebsebseb | so | 10:14 |
| sebsebseb | trying to use recovery mode for a first time | 10:14 |
| Trezker | http://what-if.xkcd.com/124/ | 10:15 |
| Nightmare__ | sebsebseb: what do you want to do? | 10:15 |
| sebsebseb | volume button held down power button | 10:15 |
| sebsebseb | now got the jolla logo on the screen, plugged usb cable into computer | 10:15 |
| sebsebseb | ,but computer doesn't seem to detect anything, or I am looking in wrong place | 10:15 |
| sebsebseb | Nightmare__: well using it with Linux first time | 10:15 |
| sebsebseb | to | 10:15 |
| sebsebseb | well I'll try the btfs recovery option I gues | 10:15 |
| Trezker | I want a moon base with swimming pool now | 10:15 |
| sebsebseb | Nightmare__: seems the LInux instructions are here: https://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-computer-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/ | 10:16 |
| Nightmare__ | never tried it with linux, but it should recognize jallo as a new network interface | 10:17 |
| sebsebseb | new network interface where? | 10:17 |
| sebsebseb | or is that in normal network settings or something? | 10:18 |
| Nightmare__ | do you use ubuntu? | 10:18 |
| sebsebseb | Nightmare__: no Mageia at the moment | 10:18 |
| sebsebseb | ,but ok just loaded up networing stuff | 10:18 |
| sebsebseb | I seee | 10:18 |
| sebsebseb | Jolla recovery in there now | 10:18 |
| Nightmare__ | so you can use telnet to conenct to 10.42.66.66 | 10:20 |
| sebsebseb | what is that ip address though really/ | 10:20 |
| sebsebseb | ? | 10:20 |
| sebsebseb | a like localhost or something? | 10:20 |
| Nightmare__ | https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202208763 | 10:20 |
| Nightmare__ | reffering that guide it's that ip | 10:20 |
| sebsebseb | Nightmare__: if I use btfs recovery by the way, it's just a snapshot yeah. so even my stuf on the SD card would still be there? | 10:20 |
| Nightmare__ | i used option 1 a lot, sd was never touched | 10:21 |
| Nightmare__ | btrfs backup should leave sd untouched too | 10:22 |
| sebsebseb | yeah one was system recovry other was btfs. I think I read that even recovery it leaves it alone | 10:22 |
| Nightmare__ | btw telnet o 10.42.66.66 works on my ubuntu vm just fine | 10:22 |
| sebsebseb | Nightmare__: I got graphical network manager open | 10:25 |
| sebsebseb | that's where it detected | 10:25 |
| Nightmare__ | open a terminal and enter telnet | 10:25 |
| sebsebseb | the jolla recovery, but maybe I am meant to be in terminal for the lot hmm | 10:25 |
| sebsebseb | do I connect to dhcp with network maanger first though? | 10:26 |
| sebsebseb | or try to hmm | 10:26 |
| Nightmare__ | i just opened a terminal, did nothing else | 10:26 |
| sebsebseb | Nightmare__: is the termianl | 10:27 |
| sebsebseb | root or normal user? | 10:27 |
| Nightmare__ | normal | 10:27 |
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| sebsebseb | hmm | 10:28 |
| sebsebseb | tenet command not found | 10:28 |
| Nightmare__ | telnet | 10:28 |
| sebsebseb | yes telnet I meant | 10:29 |
| sebsebseb | maybe I need to install it in this distro first or something silly like that | 10:29 |
| Nightmare__ | yes probably | 10:29 |
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| sebsebseb | no package named telnet, or it's under another name | 10:31 |
| Nightmare__ | netkit-telnet? | 10:34 |
| Nightmare__ | https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=5625 | 10:35 |
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| sebsebseb | Nightmare__: yeah I just found that to | 10:36 |
| sebsebseb | not sure how to run telnet still though | 10:36 |
| Nightmare__ | should be "telnet" | 10:37 |
| r0kk3rz | usually its just telnet -O [ip_address] | 10:37 |
| r0kk3rz | but man pages are your friend | 10:37 |
| sebsebseb | bash: telnet: command not found | 10:37 |
| sebsebseb | plus tried to instal netkit-telnet that didn't seem to work either hmm | 10:37 |
| Nightmare__ | strange | 10:38 |
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| sebsebseb | ok seems to be installng now | 10:39 |
| sebsebseb | ne | 10:39 |
| sebsebseb | netkit telnet | 10:39 |
| sebsebseb | trying that ip on telnet, but | 10:42 |
| sebsebseb | ok not working it seems, I guess I got to start the connection via network manager first | 10:42 |
| Nightmare__ | does it help? | 10:46 |
| sebsebseb | didn't seem to work | 10:46 |
| sebsebseb | via ntework manager gui hmm | 10:46 |
| * sebsebseb has been wondering all along why Jolla has to be os geeky to use recovry mode | 10:46 | |
| Nightmare__ | ubuntu established the con automatically | 10:46 |
| sebsebseb | should have something like that built into the phone really I think, no need to use pc | 10:46 |
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| temmi_moo | everything has telnet installed by default | 10:48 |
| sebsebseb | Nightmare__: I can put a ip addres in for i | 10:48 |
| sebsebseb | on network manager? | 10:48 |
| sebsebseb | temmi_moo: this distro didn't it seemed, even though old forum post said it hd | 10:48 |
| temmi_moo | that's just bad form | 10:49 |
| temmi_moo | i mean, having telnet in the default is more common than having bash in default installation | 10:49 |
| sebsebseb | Nightmare__: I can put ip address in for network manager for the jolla recovery | 10:49 |
| Nightmare__ | choose an ip for your pc in the same subnet like 10.42.66.1 | 10:49 |
| sebsebseb | where in network manager? | 10:49 |
| Nightmare__ | i dont know you distro and ui | 10:50 |
| sebsebseb | well I see there's a way to put a ip address in | 10:50 |
| sebsebseb | when doing manua lconfiguration | 10:50 |
| sebsebseb | for the jolla recovery one in network manager GUI | 10:50 |
| sebsebseb | ipaddres,s gatway, network mask etc | 10:51 |
| Nightmare__ | 10.42.66.2; 255.255.255.0; gateway not needed | 10:51 |
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| sebsebseb | Nightmare__: well by default it gives me 255.0.0.0 for the network mask after puting ip address in | 10:53 |
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| Nightmare__ | should work too | 10:53 |
| sebsebseb | aso got dns server 1 | 10:54 |
| sebsebseb | dns server 2 | 10:54 |
| sebsebseb | by default it's local host stuff | 10:54 |
| sebsebseb | oh that's for host name | 10:54 |
| Nightmare__ | you dont need dns for that | 10:54 |
| sebsebseb | advaced settings search domain that's it | 10:54 |
| sebsebseb | ok I'll try with the ip address | 10:54 |
| sebsebseb | and then yeah it's the ethernet control the next screen | 10:55 |
| sebsebseb | ethernet connecton control | 10:55 |
| sebsebseb | Allow users to manage the connection | 10:55 |
| sebsebseb | which I think is only thing that needs ticked | 10:55 |
| sebsebseb | start the connection at boot | 10:56 |
| sebsebseb | enable traffic accounting | 10:56 |
| sebsebseb | alow interface to be controlled by network manager. by default automaic, other opoins yes ad no | 10:56 |
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| Nightmare__ | i think you dont need that "fancy" stuff like that, just ja open connection and pc+jolla in the same subnet | 10:57 |
| sebsebseb | then do you wan to start the connection now is the next screen on nework manager gui. and I assume that should be yes | 10:57 |
| Nightmare__ | yes | 10:58 |
| sebsebseb | hmm stll saying problems about that on the gui | 10:58 |
| sebsebseb | ,but maybe it will work in terianl for telnet hmm | 10:58 |
| temmi_moo | this to me sounds a lot like mageia wanting to compete with recent windoses on how hard and abstract can network configuration be made | 10:58 |
| sebsebseb | temmi_moo: no it's probably just that they haven't been bothered to update network manager much and things like that | 10:59 |
| sebsebseb | there's quite a lot of old Mandrake/Mandriva stuff in thee | 10:59 |
| Nightmare__ | never had such problems on win or ubuntu | 10:59 |
| sebsebseb | that hasn't really been updated at all or proerly for many years | 10:59 |
| temmi_moo | i started having trouble understanding the f of it in windows seven and windows eight is just out of the window | 10:59 |
| Yaniel | >networkmanager | 10:59 |
| * sebsebseb won't be heling much at the Magiea stand at FOSDEM at the end of this month and early Feb | 11:00 | |
| sebsebseb | for certain reasons | 11:00 |
| temmi_moo | Nightmare__: ever did try to configure w7 machines to use each others shared disks and printers? | 11:00 |
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| sebsebseb | did it last year | 11:00 |
| sebsebseb | ,but honstly | 11:00 |
| sebsebseb | I know the next version doesn't really inovate anything that comes ou a bit later this year | 11:00 |
| Nightmare__ | temmi_moo: sure | 11:00 |
| sebsebseb | it's just updated upstream packages, same old crap and new branidng really, oh and a later version of RPM which for an end user doenst mean much | 11:00 |
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| Nightmare__ | temmi_moo: it was a problem when mixing winXP and win7 machines | 11:01 |
| sebsebseb | Nightmare__: I used to use Ubuntu for many years | 11:01 |
| sebsebseb | second releae in 2005 untill | 11:01 |
| sebsebseb | well 2009 quite happily | 11:01 |
| temmi_moo | using the usual w7 release customers bought with their home pc? | 11:01 |
| sebsebseb | started with Fedora Core 2 and 4 bu offline since wireless thing | 11:01 |
| sebsebseb | Nightmare__: switched away, because of certain reasons | 11:01 |
| sebsebseb | and I switched before Unity even existed by the way | 11:02 |
| sebsebseb | loads of peple whine about that | 11:02 |
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| sebsebseb | however for things like this, Ubuntu would poobably just work yeah, and if not there will probably be good enough documentation out there some where | 11:02 |
| Nightmare__ | temmi_moo: partly, but pro version is much more usable :D | 11:02 |
| temmi_moo | i know it is but nobody bought it | 11:03 |
| sebsebseb | oh it's worked | 11:03 |
| temmi_moo | :) | 11:03 |
| temmi_moo | oh coolio | 11:03 |
| sebsebseb | just treid telnet command in recoveyr mode | 11:03 |
| sebsebseb | and yes it works :) | 11:03 |
| Nightmare__ | nice :D | 11:03 |
| sebsebseb | recovery mode came up :) | 11:03 |
| sebsebseb | Nightmare__: thanks for help :) | 11:03 |
| Nightmare__ | long birth but finally successful :D | 11:03 |
| sebsebseb | now hopefully recovery mode actsauly works to etc hmm | 11:03 |
| Nightmare__ | np | 11:03 |
| temmi_moo | as someone said it was mostly about how to configure a local ip address from the mageia side | 11:03 |
| temmi_moo | and then also how to have telnet installed | 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | temmi_moo: yep indeed | 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | seems so | 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | ----------------------------- | 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | Jolla Recovery v0.1 | 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | ----------------------------- | 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | Welcome to the recovery tool! | 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | The available options are: | 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | 1) Reset phone to factory settings | 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | 2) Reboot phone | 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | 3) Exit | 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | Type the number of the desired action and press [ENTER]: | 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | yes looks good :) | 11:05 |
| temmi_moo | funny thing to me is that all these "new and easy" ways of configuring are not helping non-understanding newbies at all and they're at the same time confusing and nonhelping for computer professionals | 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | let's try something first itme :d | 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | oh ah | 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | no btfs recovery | 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | I guess it's a old version | 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | it' for the shipped version that came with the phone | 11:05 |
| Nightmare__ | 1 always worked for mine when something was odd | 11:05 |
| tbr | yes 0.1 doesn't have the btrfs recovery IIRC | 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | will it keep my stuff on the sim card | 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | if I do recovery ? | 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | sd card | 11:06 |
| Nightmare__ | yes | 11:06 |
| Nightmare__ | or remove it :D | 11:06 |
| sebsebseb | I think I read on the OS though that it wouldl delete stuffprobably hmm | 11:06 |
| sebsebseb | Nightmare__: ok how easy is it to take the sd card out and pu back in again, not something I have tried yet | 11:07 |
| Nightmare__ | ? pull? | 11:07 |
| temmi_moo | iirc it can be done without removing the battery | 11:07 |
| Nightmare__ | yes | 11:07 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I guess I got to start recovery mode up again etc | 11:08 |
| sebsebseb | once sd card is out | 11:08 |
| Nightmare__ | remove toh, pull sdcard out | 11:08 |
| Nightmare__ | nothing more | 11:08 |
| sebsebseb | turn phone off to remove sd card? | 11:08 |
| Nightmare__ | if you're paranoid | 11:09 |
| sebsebseb | ok case off ad this might seem like a stupid qustion, but | 11:10 |
| sebsebseb | which one is the sd card anyway? | 11:10 |
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| temmi_moo | remove both if unsure | 11:11 |
| sebsebseb | I don't have a sim card in it | 11:11 |
| sebsebseb | so | 11:11 |
| Nightmare__ | battery on bottum, the left one, right is sim | 11:11 |
| Yaniel | just pull | 11:11 |
| Yaniel | you don't even have to remove the battery | 11:11 |
| sebsebseb | it's on the left? | 11:12 |
| Yaniel | well if you only have one card in there... | 11:12 |
| Nightmare__ | if you danot have a sim isntalled, ther is just the sd card | 11:12 |
| Nightmare__ | dont | 11:12 |
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| Yaniel | and you're the one who inserted it in the first place :D | 11:13 |
| Yaniel | but yes looking from the back of the phone it is the one on the left | 11:13 |
| Nightmare__ | but all data on the internal memmory is wiped | 11:13 |
| sebsebseb | hmm did I? | 11:13 |
| sebsebseb | maybeIdon't have a sd card in it at all then? | 11:13 |
| sebsebseb | I put nothing in in the end, but a battery | 11:13 |
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| Nightmare__ | sry http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130413124057/cso/images/3/32/Facepalm.jpg | 11:15 |
| sebsebseb | Nightmare__: heh heh | 11:15 |
| sebsebseb | ok I got the flap where sim card would have gone | 11:15 |
| sebsebseb | nothing in that | 11:15 |
| Yaniel | -.- | 11:15 |
| sebsebseb | since don't have a sim card in | 11:15 |
| sebsebseb | on the left of that is a kid of empty space, but maybe something under that actsaully | 11:15 |
| Yaniel | yes the sim slot is the one with the flap | 11:15 |
| sebsebseb | and whatever the things are on top of that | 11:15 |
| sebsebseb | Yaniel: I meant the sd card | 11:16 |
| Nightmare__ | you could see a sd card if there would be any | 11:16 |
| sebsebseb | I don't have a sim in | 11:16 |
| Yaniel | no if you didn't put a microsd in there is none | 11:16 |
| sebsebseb | oh so | 11:16 |
| tbr | maybe he means the internal storage? | 11:16 |
| sebsebseb | otherwise it just saves stuff on the os? | 11:16 |
| Yaniel | in internal memory yes | 11:16 |
| Nightmare__ | so all you r data is on the internal memory, an that one will get wiped | 11:16 |
| tbr | that will be all gone if you do a factory reset | 11:16 |
| sebsebseb | Nightmare__: oh I see | 11:17 |
| sebsebseb | well wasn't anything that important on there anyway | 11:17 |
| Yaniel | no 1 reason for not taking backups :D | 11:17 |
| sebsebseb | wanted to try and save it if could though just camera stuff really | 11:17 |
| sebsebseb | camera messing around stuff | 11:18 |
| sebsebseb | I mean | 11:18 |
| sebsebseb | nothing important | 11:18 |
| sebsebseb | Yaniel: or for not reolisng that I should of put a sd card in it to hmm | 11:18 |
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| sebsebseb | ,but yeah I Guess nothing can be done with the internal storage really | 11:19 |
| sebsebseb | so that stuf is gone? | 11:19 |
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| Yaniel | looks like it | 11:19 |
| Nightmare__ | if your phone boots up you could copy that via usb | 11:19 |
| sebsebseb | and it won't detect via USB, since stuff is messed up? | 11:19 |
| Yaniel | the issue is that it doesn't | 11:19 |
| sebsebseb | yeah exactly | 11:19 |
| sebsebseb | issue is that it doens't | 11:20 |
| Yaniel | an external memory card is not required but a good idea to have anyway | 11:20 |
| sebsebseb | well stops this from happening I guess yeah | 11:20 |
| sebsebseb | if it messes up again | 11:20 |
| sebsebseb | won't jut lose everything | 11:20 |
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| phlixi | the only thing that helps against data loss is backups. | 11:20 |
| Yaniel | you can make backups to the card and store your stuff there in the first place | 11:20 |
| sebsebseb | ,but ok now I know hwere an sd card would go to :) | 11:21 |
| * sebsebseb to be honest I haven't done that much wit phones sd suff etc, I think some of you can tell oh well :d | 11:21 | |
| * Yaniel adds common sense to the list of things to not expect of people on the internet | 11:22 | |
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| sebsebseb | sd cards are cheap though | 11:23 |
| sebsebseb | why didn't Jolla send one with? :d | 11:23 |
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| phlixi | i am glad they didnt, because they probably wouldnt had have packed in a 64 (or bigger one) and I have enough smaller ones already | 11:24 |
| phlixi | ....if they would have had packed a 64GiB sd with the phone, it would have been to pricy | 11:24 |
| * phlixi thinks jolla shouldnt have had packed a charger into the package... :-) | 11:24 | |
| sebsebseb | yeah I should probably get a big one for this really | 11:24 |
| sebsebseb | I do want to sart using it for al ot of stuff | 11:24 |
| phlixi | start with doing backupos (outside of the phone) :-) | 11:25 |
| Yaniel | I gota 64GB one too | 11:25 |
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| Yaniel | but those aren't exactly cheap anymore | 11:26 |
| sebsebseb | well then | 11:27 |
| sebsebseb | i guess I am about to lose everything I had on it | 11:28 |
| * sebsebseb thinsk btfs opton would be nice, but ok need a later version for that, will be upgrading today to | 11:28 | |
| * sebsebseb thinks being able to run Salifish apps would be good to, and yes I know need a later version for that to | 11:28 | |
| phlixi | maybe it wasnt THAT important, then its a cheap price to learn to make backups | 11:28 |
| sebsebseb | from the store | 11:29 |
| sebsebseb | phlixi: yeah not losing anything important | 11:29 |
| sebsebseb | oh USB cable has come out of phone | 11:30 |
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| sebsebseb | so I should start all over, or would it just continue from recoveyr mode if put back in? | 11:30 |
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| Yaniel | if you didn't touch anything on the phone yet then power off phone | 11:32 |
| Yaniel | and reconnect + power on like you did earlier | 11:32 |
| Yaniel | no need to change anything on the pc | 11:32 |
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| sebsebseb | why does it not power off proerly soteim, when holding button down/ | 11:35 |
| sebsebseb | ? | 11:35 |
| sebsebseb | I know can take battery out and do it that way, but | 11:35 |
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| Morpog_PC | for me that always works | 11:36 |
| temmi_moo | taking out the battery in midrun sounds like perfect opportunity for btrfs corruption | 11:37 |
| Morpog_PC | have you played with powermenu app? | 11:37 |
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| Yaniel | not sure if powercycling the phone is necessary | 11:38 |
| Yaniel | or if telnet can reconnect to the recovery mode without problems | 11:38 |
| sebsebseb | well battery is out now and back in again | 11:38 |
| sebsebseb | I gues I should do telnet stuff again to | 11:38 |
| sebsebseb | to be sure stuff works | 11:38 |
| sebsebseb | and yep recovery mode bye bye my stuff | 11:39 |
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| sebsebseb | ok done | 11:51 |
| sebsebseb | and re boted | 11:51 |
| sebsebseb | Nightmare__: Yaniel r0kk3rz Nightmare__ and I think temmi_moo to. thanks for help everyone :) | 11:52 |
| sebsebseb | and tbr maybe even | 11:52 |
| temmi_moo | i've just bitched and moaned about that everything sucks :) | 11:52 |
| sebsebseb | temmi_moo: seems this does suck actsaully | 11:52 |
| sebsebseb | no btfs snapshot optoin | 11:52 |
| sebsebseb | in the recovery mode | 11:53 |
| temmi_moo | all computers suck | 11:53 |
| sebsebseb | that makes perfect ense, go back in time like nothing happended :d | 11:53 |
| sebsebseb | ,but nope | 11:53 |
| temmi_moo | all programming languages suck | 11:53 |
| sebsebseb | I thought I would be able to do that, but nope | 11:53 |
| temmi_moo | it's just that you can choose the suckinessess | 11:53 |
| temmi_moo | some suck more in certain parts and less in some others | 11:53 |
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| temmi_moo | it's not like you could choose the best, you just can choose something that sucks the least | 11:54 |
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| sebsebseb | temmi_moo: it's a bit geeky | 11:55 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | 11:55 |
| sebsebseb | I guess Jolla is indeed one of the best types of phone : | 11:55 |
| sebsebseb | d | 11:55 |
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| sebsebseb | well I'll be upgrading to later versions today of the OS so then I'll find out how true that really is or not I guess :d | 11:56 |
| temmi_moo | i't be content on saying jolla sucks less than other phones | 11:56 |
| sebsebseb | temmi_moo: ,but loads of people think Hypephone/Iphone is the bet heh heh | 11:56 |
| sebsebseb | best above | 11:57 |
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| locusf | Has there been a common consesus on releasing modified files from the recovery ramdisk, they are GPL and the modifications should be made available? | 13:22 |
| tbr | last time I mentioned it there was some uneasy wiggling | 13:24 |
| tbr | something about "intertwined with proprietary files" "not easy to extract" | 13:25 |
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| locusf | hmm really? | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | tld;r, needs hw adaptation files to build | 13:25 |
| tbr | as long as jolla is upstream for those files there is no problem | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | and lock code related stuff | 13:25 |
| tbr | if there are 3rd party GPL files, that's a BIG issue | 13:25 |
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| locusf | okay | 13:26 |
| locusf | currently I have only seen Jolla GPL files | 13:27 |
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| coderus | Stskeeps: is android stella launcher written in qt or using andriod native? | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | qt | 13:37 |
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| coderus | cool :) | 13:38 |
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| Venemo | hey | 13:49 |
| Venemo | what is the jolla equivalent of the 'nslookup' command | 13:49 |
| Venemo | ? | 13:49 |
| locusf | there isn't one | 13:49 |
| locusf | but bind-utils is coming to mer-tools at some time | 13:50 |
| Venemo | oookay :( | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | http://petapixel.com/2014/12/30/cheap-camera-challenge-lara-jade-shoots-fashion-0-3mp-camera-toy-kids/ | 13:50 |
| Venemo | heh | 13:51 |
| locusf | so if I were to make a custom bootmenu for the Jolla I wouldn't be able to make the changes available as it would require me to package the proprietary files with the recovery.img ? | 13:52 |
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| tbr | locusf: ha, welcome to pain-land. I've been there with my Archos boot menu. | 14:15 |
| tbr | locusf: two options: get a license from Jolla to distribute the files; generate the image on the user's computer from HIS Jolla phone and files. | 14:16 |
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| locusf | tbr: well patches might do it, the image is extracted with normal split_bootimg and then cpio'd, repackage and voila | 14:21 |
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| tbr | yup, preferably check against hashes, so that you don't run into incompatible things | 14:26 |
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| locusf | I wonder if this is why there hasn't been any posts on tjc about [1.1.1.27][MEGAGOOD][KERNEL][LOL] Custom kernel foo | 14:33 |
| locusf | the initrd sources are not available for everyone, I don't know about boot.img though | 14:33 |
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| tbr | locusf: I think it's because there was so far no need to modify the actual kernel. Some people have been building modules, but that's it. | 14:39 |
| tbr | a breakthrough with USB-host-mode would change this, but is also unlikely | 14:40 |
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| locusf | tbr: oh ok makes sense | 14:41 |
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| mornfall | well, (more) stable btrfs would be quite welcome | 15:42 |
| mornfall | but yes, there isn't much point in making custom 3.4 builds | 15:43 |
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| ced117 | totally agree, we want a more stable version of btrfs, that would be great :-) | 15:49 |
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| ortylp | stable btrfs: +1 | 15:56 |
| petantik | I thought btrfs was stable? | 15:56 |
| tbr | petantik: in current kernels | 15:58 |
| tbr | petantik: the jolla runs an ancient Qualcomm+ODM frankenkernel with lots of patches and fixes applied | 15:59 |
| petantik | Isn't it Ahhh. | 15:59 |
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| petantik | I didn't realise. | 15:59 |
| teve | well, btrfs in 3.17 kernel still had a fs corruption when using ro-snapshots. | 15:59 |
| petantik | Unfortunate. | 15:59 |
| tbr | that would kinda kill recovery | 15:59 |
| tbr | maybe it does? there have been cases where the snapshot or FS were so broken that recovery failed | 16:00 |
| petantik | Perhaps they needs more aggressive testing. | 16:00 |
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| temmi_moo | perhaps it would be cooler to not use known-not-stable software | 16:01 |
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| ortylp | please read "bootstrapping" blog entry by stskeeps to understand why kernel update is practically not possible :( | 16:02 |
| tbr | ack | 16:02 |
| tbr | ortylp: btw, are you coming to FOSDEM again? | 16:02 |
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| ortylp | tbr: I was not there yet... I was planning 2015 it will happen, but the pile of work at my daily job might not allow for the trip | 16:05 |
| petantik | ortylp: Which post? | 16:05 |
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| ortylp | pentantik: https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-hardware-adaptation-team-day-zero-bootstrapping/ | 16:06 |
| petantik | Thanks. | 16:07 |
| ortylp | in short: you get a binary blob from the CPU manufacturer, that works ONLY with a particular version of kernel | 16:08 |
| teve | s/CPU/GPU/? | 16:09 |
| ortylp | teve: it is a single chip (or not?) | 16:09 |
| tbr | ortylp: hmm, I must confuse you then | 16:09 |
| tbr | more like SoC | 16:10 |
| ortylp | this one is also relevant: https://www.fairphone.com/2014/12/09/our-approach-to-software-and-ongoing-support-for-the-first-fairphones/ | 16:11 |
| ortylp | They wont go beyond Android 4.2 (because of binary blobs) | 16:11 |
| petantik | Closed source hardware sounds like a real pain, even with an open spec it's hard to get a driver correct, and work through all the bugs. | 16:22 |
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| temmi_moo | considering that actually writing the drivers from scratch against the real hardware is out of reach | 16:23 |
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| temmi_moo | sailors have to do with existing drivers even if they provide their abi towards android api | 16:24 |
| tbr | though with intel hardware in the tablet it /might/ be a bit more realistic to get the hardware working reasonably well with a vanilla ernel | 16:26 |
| tbr | +k | 16:26 |
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| temmi_moo | except all the peripherals are something not found on desktops so they have no support except the binary blobs providing android abi | 16:32 |
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| tbr | temmi_moo: depends and remains to be seen | 16:34 |
| tbr | temmi_moo: e.g. android GLES libraries could be replaced by a MESA driver | 16:34 |
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| ortylp | in the context of FOSSDEM, can anybody suggest cheap B&B? | 16:45 |
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| jubo2 | Where can I access moods in the latest OS version ? | 17:17 |
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| jubo2 | or whatevs they called.. | 17:22 |
| jubo2 | ambience ? | 17:23 |
| jubo2 | a positive surprise is that the Aptoide app store actually works with this latest OS and store version | 17:23 |
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| Kiranos | still no official reason as to why this happens: https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down-10819/?comment=76056#comment-76056 My phone crashed with bad reception and switching from 3g/4g to 2g, I have since then gotten an iphone (which works..) sad to see no official answer that its hardware or software related. I've only seen individual cases where they dont say the reason to why its happening, only to open a support ticket | 17:42 |
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| tbr | Kiranos: and there probably never will be an official statement beyond "contact care" - anything else would be bad from a business perspective. So while unsatisfactory for you, me and others, that's how it is. | 17:44 |
| tbr | most likely it's some sort of construction problem, maybe bei their ODM or somewhere else in the chain, who knows | 17:45 |
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| Yaniel | jubo2: swipe left or right from homescreen | 17:45 |
| Yaniel | or gallery->ambiences | 17:45 |
| tbr | the good thing is that cleaning the pads seems to mostly take care of the problem. I even hearrd it's now an "official" care suggestion. | 17:45 |
| Yaniel | the former shows yourfavourited ambiences | 17:46 |
| Kiranos | so its clearly two different reason for reboots, 1. battery (which is fixed by jolla by adding a cushin, or own fix with paper) 2. reboots when bad reception and phone switches from 3g/4g to 2g | 17:46 |
| Kiranos | this is causing alot of connfusion, as jolla has not said that the second error is actually true so alot think only option 1 is a reason for reboots, clearly option 2 does not get fixed by paper.. | 17:46 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: swiping in home screen with the creepy night ship does nothing | 17:46 |
| tbr | no, I don't see two reasons. While I was never sure, I think it's unlikely that there are two. | 17:47 |
| tbr | the root cause seems to be a contact issue between battery and phone, which isn't properly addressed by just stuffing paper somewhere | 17:48 |
| Yaniel | jubo2: then you probably don't have any ambience marked as favourites | 17:48 |
| Yaniel | in gallery | 17:48 |
| SQUelcher | I'm disappointed because i can barely use my jolla at home as the reception is really bad.. It's losing the network all the time :/ | 17:48 |
| jubo2 | and how come "Settings, Camera and what was the 4th one are removed from the pulley-menu on the top of screens.. Now it just gives silencing the ringtone | 17:48 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: yeah.. that's prlly it | 17:48 |
| Yaniel | jubo2: you can add them back via setting | 17:48 |
| tbr | SQUelcher: is it GSM or WCDMA? | 17:48 |
| Yaniel | they were made configurable | 17:48 |
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| jubo2 | Yaniel: now I have 4 favs chosen with the star-symbol but I think the swiping in the home screen is just broken | 17:50 |
| SQUelcher | tbr: Doesn't matter really.. It shows signal levels around -102dBm on GSM and is rarely registering with WCDMA while other phones are at least working fine on GSM | 17:51 |
| tbr | weird | 17:51 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: at least the Aptoide app store actually works with these version numbers | 17:51 |
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| jubo2 | Was nice to get Spotify up and running via the app store | 17:52 |
| SQUelcher | tbr: If i move around a bit it's losing the network altogether, not so great. | 17:53 |
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| tbr | SQUelcher: it's peculiar though, as I don't hear of reception issues here on IRC. | 17:54 |
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| jubo2 | Yaniel: I should prlly email care@jolla.com say swiping sideways from home screen doesn't work | 17:56 |
| jubo2 | that's about as exact as I can be about the bug | 17:57 |
| jubo2 | Ticketing systems are nice | 17:57 |
| jubo2 | to both parties of the customer service transaction | 17:57 |
| jubo2 | Email sent. I'm assuming I will receive ticket number in email very shortly | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | care@jolla.com isn't in use anymore, you use zendesk (there's a link in the reply you'll get | 18:02 |
| jubo2 | Stskeeps: why does it say so in the /topic then ? | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | that's a very good question | 18:02 |
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| *** Stskeeps changes topic to "Official sites: http://www.jolla.com , http://twitter.com/JollaHQ - for customer care, https://jolla.zendesk.com | Co-creation @ http://together.jolla.com (bugs, ideas, etc) | Community offerings: http://forum.jollausers.com , http://elinux.org/Jolla , http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=52 , http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=56 | Logs @ http://bit.ly/JIcRDm" | 18:04 | |
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| jubo2 | The one support method Jolla Corporation should have is chat | 18:06 |
| jubo2 | In 5 yrs time all webshops will have customer service chat | 18:07 |
| jubo2 | it's a friggen megatrend in no time | 18:07 |
| jubo2 | It's superior to phone support in that both parties can paste to the chat | 18:07 |
| r0kk3rz | they do, its here, unofficially anyway | 18:07 |
| jubo2 | r0kk3rz: URL or it doesn't exist | 18:08 |
| Aard | jubo2: you mean that kind of chat where you first talk with an AI, and once the AI barfs get connected to someone at an intellectual level making you wish you'd have the AI back? | 18:08 |
| jubo2 | r0kk3rz: xaxaxa. I get it.. irc is the chat | 18:08 |
| r0kk3rz | irc://irc.freenode.net/jollamobile :P | 18:08 |
| kimmoli | :) | 18:08 |
| kimmoli | only chat support i have used is finnish post, and always the result is that they can't help me with my issue | 18:09 |
| jubo2 | I had really good service with Saunalahti when I needed to cancel a bunch of subscriptions to services costing £€$ | 18:10 |
| ShadowJK | Allegedly you can even get cake recipies from Saunalahti support | 18:11 |
| jubo2 | I was done in under 5 minutes with quitting both the 3.5G sim card and the 200MB extra email box space ( 20€ / annum incl. VAT can you belive it? 200MB for one year ) | 18:11 |
| Aard | jubo2: ah, reminds me that I eventually need to figure out how to cancel my old sonera subscription. they're currently billing me 0 eur/month, so I'm not in such a hurry | 18:12 |
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| jubo2 | Some list prices are real style of humour | 18:12 |
| r0kk3rz | vodaphone used to have a similar sort of phone support in aus once | 18:12 |
| r0kk3rz | it was their job to answer any question | 18:13 |
| r0kk3rz | and they literally could not hang up on you | 18:13 |
| jubo2 | 200MB NAS costs 20€ / annum .. Joined http://Kapsi.fi ( 550GB disk space and FLGOSS candies for private individuals @ 40€ / annum ) .. The quota on the email box disk is 50GB so so much for paying Saunalahti | 18:13 |
| r0kk3rz | wait wait wait, saunalahti isnt a sauna in lahti? | 18:14 |
| kimmoli | ? lahti with sauna | 18:15 |
| r0kk3rz | or a sauna chain that started in lahti | 18:15 |
| jubo2 | r0kk3rz: No it's a fully owned subsidiary of Elisa Oyj that has it's origins in when price pressure started peering on the small dial-up operators and they merged a lot.. DLC Communications was one.. | 18:16 |
| r0kk3rz | weird name for a telco | 18:16 |
| jubo2 | The merged companies formed Saunalahti Oy | 18:16 |
| jubo2 | and it was floated on the Finnish stock exchange | 18:16 |
| temmi_moo | r0kk3rz: sonera is another weird name for telco | 18:16 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe sonera means something in finnish | 18:17 |
| r0kk3rz | but that doesnt seem strange to me | 18:17 |
| jubo2 | at the top of the 2000 collapsed dot-com boom | 18:17 |
| r0kk3rz | to me elisa is a strange name | 18:17 |
| r0kk3rz | as it sounds like a girls name | 18:17 |
| temmi_moo | they used to be "telecom finland" but thought that name somehow doesn't reflect internationally what they do | 18:17 |
| temmi_moo | so they changed to sonera which somehow does reflect that | 18:17 |
| r0kk3rz | the main telco in aus is Telstra | 18:17 |
| pahartik | r0kk3rz: There is also difference between "lahti" and "Lahti" | 18:17 |
| kimmoli | practical finnish 1.0 | 18:18 |
| r0kk3rz | perhaps, but that difference doesnt really carry to english | 18:18 |
| temmi_moo | oh is does | 18:18 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | and Saunalahti is also a place | 18:18 |
| jubo2 | Elisa has real mad business user offering.. 150€ / month ( incl. VAT ) talk, message and use dataroaming as much as you want in all of Europe | 18:18 |
| temmi_moo | there is Lahti, the town and bay the word | 18:18 |
| kimmoli | actually Saunalahti is kinda close to me | 18:19 |
| Yaniel | roboro: elisa IS a girls name | 18:19 |
| jubo2 | I was like "All of Europe?" when I heard of this | 18:19 |
| kimmoli | *near | 18:19 |
| temmi_moo | HarhaanJohtaja: now that that cat is out of the bag, there are plenty of places named saunalahti in finland | 18:19 |
| kimmoli | hmm. is it still avaialble from Alko? | 18:19 |
| temmi_moo | kimmoli: you're from lasilaakso then? | 18:19 |
| r0kk3rz | well there you go | 18:19 |
| pdanek | Hello sailors. | 18:19 |
| jubo2 | Sonera has that subsidiary synergy thing going with the Nordic + Baltic talk, message and dataroam deal they're punting | 18:19 |
| Yaniel | err, r0kk3rz | 18:20 |
| kimmoli | temmi_moo: nope, the otherway | 18:20 |
| pdanek | Anyone tried Jolla on O2 Ireland? I can't connect to internet. I tried SIM card in different phone and it works, on Jolla I just can't connect -> the internet button looks like: "Contract", when I activate: Problem with connection | 18:20 |
| Yaniel | sorry roboro, miscompletion | 18:21 |
| temmi_moo | oh kivenlahti? | 18:21 |
| kimmoli | \o/ | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: edit APN | 18:21 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: surely they use the same freqs as o2 uk? | 18:21 |
| ShadowJK | But do they use the same pants | 18:22 |
| temmi_moo | i used to live in matinkylä from 1997 until 2012 when i moved to jokikunta | 18:22 |
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| kimmoli | axis of evil, vihti-karkkila | 18:24 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: APN is correct, as per instructions -> name: internet | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | hold down and edit, make sure everything is correct | 18:25 |
| pdanek | yes, exact string: internet | 18:25 |
| pdanek | I asked for settings to O2.ie support | 18:26 |
| pdanek | and compared with my settings | 18:26 |
| pdanek | identical | 18:26 |
| pdanek | They even verified my profile and it's all setup correctly, in different phone it just works, same SIM | 18:28 |
| pdanek | and in my phone, I use plenty of other SIM cards and everything works | 18:28 |
| pdanek | just O2 IE + my jolla doesn't | 18:28 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: kick connman in the guts? | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: there's more than one string | 18:29 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: in APN field, I see only one string, internet | 18:30 |
| pdanek | Connection name: O2.ie Internet | 18:30 |
| pdanek | others like MMS etc. all is fine | 18:31 |
| pdanek | O2 IE Frequency info: http://www.o2online.ie/wps/wcm/resources/file/eb5f69005a2edbb/O2_FILE_PDF_O2_Interface_publicationV4.0.pdf | 18:31 |
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| attah | is there an upstream of voicecall-ui-jolla.. or why is it named backwards? | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | because there's a voicecall-ui open source variant too | 18:44 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: Shouls I perhaps contact Care? | 18:45 |
| pdanek | Or any other ideas? | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: i guess | 18:45 |
| attah | Stskeeps: ah.. okay.. but they share no source code? | 18:46 |
| attah | or is it a fork? | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | basically https://github.com/nemomobile/voicecall is the engine | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | and then there's a ui on top | 18:48 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: oh! | 18:48 |
| pdanek | I need long press on the connection | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | ... | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:48 |
| pdanek | I was editing name and APN in mms | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | that's what i was saying | 18:48 |
| pdanek | that is so confusing | 18:48 |
| attah | okay :) good to know | 18:48 |
| pdanek | https://together.jolla.com/question/1391/cant-connect-to-o2s-3g/ | 18:48 |
| pdanek | since 2013 and devs still keep it this confusing? | 18:49 |
| pdanek | who would ever guess to long press on it | 18:49 |
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| kimmoli | pdanek: it is already builtin to me, everything that looks like it could have menu, longpress it | 18:49 |
| pdanek | hm | 18:50 |
| pdanek | anyway, it works now | 18:51 |
| pdanek | all edited | 18:51 |
| pdanek | thanks! | 18:51 |
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| Stskeeps | can somebody explain me why more products don't have wireless charging? | 18:57 |
| ShadowJK | We have to wait and see if Beta or VHS wins before investing in it | 18:58 |
| Yaniel | why doesn't the Jolla have it? | 18:58 |
| tbr | Yaniel: mine does :) | 18:58 |
| Yaniel | custom TOHs are cheating :D | 18:58 |
| tbr | Yaniel: the 5V-input pin is there for a reason | 18:58 |
| Yaniel | yes | 18:59 |
| Yaniel | :D heh, LeTOH: usefulness level: 3/10 | 18:59 |
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| Yaniel | awesomeness: 10/10 | 19:00 |
| Yaniel | anyway there is no official wireless charging feature | 19:01 |
| tbr | Yaniel: I remember harha asking at some point if the community wanted an official one, but people were sufficiently happy | 19:04 |
| tbr | Yaniel: or simply not enough people for it to be commercially viable | 19:04 |
| Sail0r | like with a keyboard? :P | 19:05 |
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| attah | kimmoli: You are really going nuts with the qml hacking.. nice! | 19:16 |
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| kimmoli | nuts indeed | 19:16 |
| attah | jolla should trust us with pushing these minor things imo ;) | 19:17 |
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| kimmoli | attah: and what would happened with this? https://together.jolla.com/question/76038/notification-copy-feature/ | 19:22 |
| attah | with review and qa of course ;) | 19:22 |
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| attah | crazy idea: jolla trusted community hackers - some people are trusted with contributing to development of some of the proprietary code and can take bugs from an internal list or tjc and fix up just because they want to help out | 19:29 |
| Yaniel | trusted users would be cool yes | 19:30 |
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| Stskeeps | but also really hard in practice | 19:30 |
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| Yaniel | unfortunately | 19:31 |
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| attah | Stskeeps: please do elaborate.. i'm not saying it's east but still a bit curious to what your main concerns are | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | well, as a start | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | who's responsible when somebody submits something copyright infringing? | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | who owns copyright | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | patent infringing | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | in standard subcontracting contracts those are clear | 19:33 |
| attah | Stskeeps: thus the limitation of minor things.. and copyright should of course be signed over | 19:33 |
| attah | so make people sign contracts... | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | .. which then gets to the point why people would accept a 0 eur pay for that | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:33 |
| attah | well.. actually i would.. | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | plus the rather annoying problem that it might have to be B2B ? | 19:34 |
| attah | albeit some recognition would be required to keep it going in the long run | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | .. i'm not a lawyer | 19:34 |
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| attah | yes, that might be a problem if it's hard to interact with individuals.. and i suspect you are right | 19:35 |
| special | Stskeeps: it can get murky when not working for pay too, I believe.. | 19:35 |
| special | copyright law, that is | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | next thing is then since you hire people to do work, you might actually be starving your community of people doing work in the open.. | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | which is not good either | 19:36 |
| Yaniel | what about an AUR like system | 19:36 |
| Yaniel | where you have a central place for people to submit stuff | 19:36 |
| attah | Stskeeps: not sure i follow you.. "in the open"? | 19:37 |
| Yaniel | and when something gets popular (vote) and is deemed working and ok licensing-wise it gets included in "core"? | 19:37 |
| tbr | Yaniel: I believe a better approach is a chum like system where the community can build complimentary things | 19:37 |
| Yaniel | well that would be quite similar | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | as in; working on properitary code necessarily means you would be working under a NDA of that code? | 19:37 |
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| Yaniel | but how do I get access to chum? do I have to fork it or somethign? | 19:37 |
| tbr | Yaniel: you build your package on OBS | 19:38 |
| attah | sure.. but you *could* still have a bounty system tied in with tjc and so on.. and give credit after the fact | 19:38 |
| tbr | Yaniel: then you submit it to chum:testing | 19:38 |
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| Yaniel | well that needs 1) very good instructions 2) lots of advertising | 19:38 |
| attah | unless it's really deep down in the murky waters of proprietary stuff.. but that's not what i meant these people to be doing | 19:39 |
| Yaniel | and 3) better integration with the device | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | not to mention that it feels unethical to pay some people $CONSULTANT_LEVEL_MONEY for same work as others do for 0$..? | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | but that's me | 19:39 |
| Yaniel | adding the repo url manually is not the greatest thing there | 19:39 |
| special | seems like OSSing more things is a better answer, to me | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 19:40 |
| attah | Stskeeps: not that i mind being paid.. but i also mind waiting one year and getting a sub-optimal solution | 19:40 |
| special | I get the feeling there isn't much visibility on the work we do on github, either | 19:41 |
| special | for a lot of problems, the solution (or 80% of it) is there | 19:41 |
| attah | special: probably.. but i'm not a business person.. so i don't understand what kind of impact that would have on jolla's abilities to licence their stuff | 19:41 |
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| * Stskeeps needs to head off for a bit | 19:42 | |
| special | attah: I'm not either; but we can look at the browser (which was made OSS) and hope that other things follow. | 19:42 |
| tbr | Yaniel: we're in a very early stage still | 19:42 |
| tbr | Yaniel: for now we need some policies and processes written down | 19:42 |
| tbr | Yaniel: then integration will happen, jolla has actually promised that | 19:43 |
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| Yaniel | I do hope that happens asap | 19:53 |
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| tiwake | http://www.etlegacy.com/ | 20:32 |
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| falfa | I found a reproducable browser crash in the latest Jolla | 21:07 |
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| falfa | Scroll down to the images of the flatcables about a third into the page, and the browser will silently kill itself. | 21:08 |
| falfa | http://lab501.net/egpu-connecting-external-video-card-notebook-diy-implementation/all/1/ | 21:08 |
| falfa | *reproduceable | 21:09 |
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| kimmoli | >> https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/issues | 21:10 |
| faenil | egpu diy, lovely, I've been looking into that for a while | 21:10 |
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| pahartik | falfa: Does not cause problem here, with "image/*" and "application/javascript" disabled... | 21:13 |
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| falfa | pahartik: where do i disable javascript? | 21:14 |
| kimmoli | i can reproduce that issue, i can get little further, past flatcables | 21:15 |
| falfa | kimmoli: yeah, to the cable schematic picture | 21:16 |
| falfa | in a desktop firefox the page seems sluggish, perhaps there's some overbundance of javascript in there? | 21:17 |
| pahartik | falfa: "~/.mozilla/mozembed/prefs.js" 'user_pref("javascript.enabled", false);' and 'user_pref("permissions.default.image", 2);' | 21:17 |
| falfa | kimmoli: or maybe they're using the full scale images in the page and scaling them in the browser | 21:18 |
| falfa | the browser goes out of memory | 21:18 |
| kimmoli | heh, oomkiller hits | 21:18 |
| kimmoli | tammi 10 23:18:10 Jolla kernel: lowmemorykiller: Killing 'sailfish-browse' (22126), adj 0, | 21:18 |
| kimmoli | to free 388100kB on behalf of 'kswapd0' (49) because | 21:18 |
| kimmoli | cache 15476kB is below limit 16384kB for oom_score_adj 0... | 21:19 |
| falfa | crappy way to build a page | 21:19 |
| falfa | pahartik: thx | 21:19 |
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| falfa | sorry for the noise | 21:21 |
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| * pahartik did scroll to end of document and back to start of document few times with settings mentioned, no problem | 21:23 | |
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| druberlin | hey folks, i heard yo can put mini folder icons (like in iOs) to your Jolla using a certain openwarehoue repo. can anyone point me where to find that ? | 22:43 |
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| kimmoli | https://github.com/CODeRUS/sailfishos-folder-icons-patch ? I'm not sure does it work on 1.1.1.27 | 23:04 |
| kimmoli | I haven't tested it | 23:04 |
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| falfa | pahartik: yeah, but you said you ""image/*" and "application/javascript" disabled..." and that's why | 23:13 |
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| falfa | :-) | 23:13 |
| pahartik | falfa: That usually makes things decent | 23:14 |
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