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jubo2I downloaded a .myapp file but I cannot find it in the ~/Downoads/11:37
jubo2where has it gone to?11:37
Yanielwhat did you use to download it?11:38
jubo2Aptoide11:39
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Nicd-it's in the android data folder11:50
jubo2I really need this APK Downloader app but cannot find where the browser put the .myapp file11:50
Mikaela/sdcard/Downloads or something11:51
Nicd-try ~/android_storage/Download11:51
jubo2Nicd-: the files are not in ~/android_storage/Download11:51
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Nicd-jubo2: did you use the stock browser or some android browser to download the file?11:52
Mikaelaif Android apps/daemons are closed when I close the main app, how do I still see notifications from Facebook messenger in addition to Jolla's default one?11:52
jubo2Nicd-: stock11:52
Nicd-jubo2: ok, so it should be in ~/Downloads. if not... try again?11:52
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jubo2tried again. no avail11:56
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j-dogejubo2: Aptoide downloads stuff (apk's) to ~/android_storage/.aptoide/apks/12:03
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jubo2j-doge: there are some files there but all have weird filenames12:05
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coderusjubo2: weird?12:07
jubo2looks like the filenames have been hashed (maybe)12:08
jubo2they are like 40 chars long and totally not human language12:08
Stskeepsi remember that somebody once ran a android launcher inside alien dalvik12:10
Stskeepsdoes anybody have a link?12:10
politiei saw a video of a guy running nova launcher a few days ago12:11
JopeStskeeps, myriam joire at least did it12:12
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Jopefind her review12:12
Jopeshe decided to forget all about sailfish os and run it mainly as an android device12:12
j-dogejubo2: you could also just try to search: find / -type f -name "nameofapp.ext"12:14
StskeepsJope: that was it12:15
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phlixiHi, I have a strange problem, I have a local server at 192.168.178.251. And while loged in on the jolla via SSH, I can ping that machine, but when I try to access http://192.168.178.251 the browser claims it could not connect...16:30
phlixithis does not make any sense to me (. of course it is possible to connect to this website from other PCs16:31
phlixiany hints?16:31
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phliximaybe the browser tries to resolve the ip like  a domain? does this make sense at all?16:33
phlixiand how could i test that?16:33
phlixi...and how can i get rid of this problem ? :-)16:33
fluxwell, does it respond to port 80 to your jolla? wget, curl, telnet, nc, or socat may be tools to answer that.16:34
fluxI don't remember which of those - if any - are installed by default16:35
Accecurl is installed at least16:35
phlixiwget is not, ill check the others..16:35
fluxthen curl http://.. ahead :)16:35
fluxanother point: are you certain you have written the url correctly in the browser :-)16:36
TemeVi recall someone else complaining also, that browser doesn't work with ip16:36
fluxthat's fun :)16:36
fluxphlixi, so maybe you could try another browser16:37
fluxsuch as the one other for jolla I can't recall, or some android browser such as firefox..16:37
phlixicurl works16:37
phlixiso no need to try other browser, is a problem in sailfish browser then16:37
fluxpossible workaround: put an entry for the site to /etc/hosts16:37
fluxbetter workaround: implement DNS in your home network16:38
TemeVseems to work for me though16:38
TemeVI could get to my routers admin panel with ip16:38
phlixiproblem i also noted, it is not possible, for example to go to http://fritz.box since  it automatically tries http://www.fritz.box wtf?16:38
fluxprobably it fails to resolve/connect fritz.box, otherwise that's somewhat broken..16:39
phlixifirefox also works16:41
phlixibut that is no solution, since i am not able to paste URLs into firefox16:42
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fluxwhy not?16:44
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phlixiok, it was not copied (that another story the whole #unlike clipboard...), works16:44
phlixiok, short, I cannot open http://192.168.178.251 in silfish nativ browser, but works on firefox / curl. browser claims "connection refused". I guess this is a bug...16:46
Accehmm ip worked for me on SF browser nightly16:46
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TeguI've used ip in the default browser for an year already and it has worked16:48
phlixii am not 100% sure, but pretty sure, that this was not a problem before u10.16:48
TeguI think I've also used IP in u10 as well, not 100% sure. let's try16:49
Teguworks16:51
Teguweird..16:51
phlixithen my next guess would be, that it has to do something with my browser profile...16:54
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Teguyou've modified user.js/prefs.js? better check those, then..16:55
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Teguor do you have a proxy or something? (dunno how they work in sailfish)16:56
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phlixineither17:18
phlixii will try later at home, but i assume it wil be the same...17:20
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phlixii did not mess around with any browser stuff (like adblock, custom styles, userpref etc), only thing i have is like ~70 tabs open...17:24
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jollajollajollaHello, if I've installed applications using a specific account and I remove the account and register a new one - the applications don't show up in the "My Apps" section of the Jolla store17:48
jollajollajollaDo I still receive updates? Or do I have to remove them all and install them again?17:49
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Hartziwhy would you do that?17:54
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jollajollajollaLets not get into that xD17:55
Hartziwell try and see what happens17:55
jollajollajollaThey don't show up17:55
Hartziah, ok17:55
HartziThen you just should reinstall the apps17:56
jollajollajollaHm, I'll probably wait for other opinions in case someone knows a way around17:57
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* jollajollajolla pokes Stskeeps 18:14
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r0kk3rzstskeeps is probably the wrong person to poke, maybe tigeli18:18
* jollajollajolla pokes tigeli_ 18:21
jollajollajollaI didn't know any other Jolla employee other than Stskeeps :<18:21
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r0kk3rztheres a fair few of them that haunt this channel18:25
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Stskeepshum?18:36
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jollajollajollaStskeeps, if you remove an old account from your phone and add a new one, the applications you had installed earlier don't show up in the stores "My Apps" section.18:55
jollajollajollaStskeeps: do they still get updates, or would I have to reinstall them all18:55
Stskeepsnot sure, maybe contact care18:56
jollajollajollaAlright, thank you18:56
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cvp_\o/19:38
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MadProcessorHi all. I use cynanogenMod because its more open and may switch to sailfish os. Which advantages does sailfish have over cynanogen (or android)?19:46
Nicd-MadProcessor: first of all it's not android :)19:48
attahMadProcessor: Interaction though gestures, more light weight, more like a normal linux distro.. rather than a app on top.. those are probably my favourites..19:48
attahAlso.. I  hate java :)19:48
MadProcessorSo its easier to devolop on sailfish?19:48
MadProcessorI like to script stuff together19:49
attahshellscripts and stuff.. sure.. to some extent19:49
svuorelaand javascript19:49
attahbut developing apps.. probably not easier.. but many would argue nicer i think19:50
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MadProcessorhow should i understand this?19:50
attahalso.. pathcing the qml of stock apps is not rocket science19:50
attahwhich part are you thinking about?19:51
Nicd-I haven't developed for android but I don't think Qt is difficult19:51
Nicd-especially if you stick mostly to QML and JavaScript19:51
attahThe current number of APIs allowed in the store is a bit too limited though19:52
MadProcessorDoes it mean i can use all languages which support QT?19:52
Nicd-if you want to submit to the app store, you can use C++ or Python19:53
Nicd-also, it's Qt, not QT :)19:53
Nicd-just a minor nitpick19:54
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passthi there, iwant to install jolla on my nexus 7 grouper19:54
attahbut you can also just launch through c++ and use qml+js for all of the actual app19:54
MadProcessorI care less about the app store rather than writing my own stuff for it :D19:55
MadProcessorgreat. If C++ runs on it, then i'll guess its not that hard to port any other (scripting)language that can somehow interface with C.19:55
mornfallMadProcessor: you can probably write it in haskell for all we care :P19:56
passton wiki.merproject.org I found the instruction howto do this, but there it is required to use cyanogen 10.1.3 .19:56
svuorelamornfall: it is only you who does haskell19:56
attahsvuorela: the rest of us use Erlang? ;)19:57
mornfallMadProcessor: one way to go about things is ssh into the phone and treat it like any other arm computer :)19:57
passtBut now I've installed caynogen 12. Is it possible with to migrate to Jolla with this base of caybogen, too?19:57
cvp_coderus, Somthing will happen today? what do you mean with it?19:58
svuorelaattah: no. c++ & qml19:58
mornfallsvuorela: hush :P19:58
mornfallsvuorela: anyway, how would you know?19:58
svuorelamornfall: I've been stalking you since we interacted around kde and debian  soon a decade ago.19:58
mornfalldamn19:59
Nicd-passt: try #sailfishos-porters19:59
svuorelaand adept and ept and ...19:59
coderuscvp_: it's already happening. all the day.19:59
mornfallsvuorela: it's supposed to be all forgotten :P19:59
Mikaelawhich python? I think I had to install both by myself from warehouse or pkcon or both20:00
cvp_coderus, aha? and what exactly ? :D20:00
Nicd-attah: if you like Erlang, take a look at Elixir20:00
Nicd-it's lovely20:00
svuorelamornfall: hush now, or I'll bring up even older words that are far forgotten20:00
* attah googles elixir20:00
cvp_coderus, you move to apple iphone ? :D20:00
svuorelamornfall: kalyxo!20:01
mornfallsvuorela: do you stalk anyone else? :P do you remember SadEagle?20:01
coderuscvp_: wrong20:01
mornfall(google ate him, AFAIK)20:01
coderuscvp_: today is my birthday20:01
svuorelamornfall: sadeagle fell off the world a couple of years ago. yes. google ate him.20:01
Nicd-attah: it's like Erlang for humans :) runs on BEAM, you can use any Erlang libs with no runtime cost, contains nice metaprogramming features and an active community20:02
svuorelaHave poked at some bugs in khtml with him over the years.20:02
svuorelabut he always outsmarted me :P20:02
attahNicd-: But I'm not human? :(20:02
cvp_coderus, aaahaaaa. HAPPY Birthday !!! wich you all the best!!20:03
MadProcessorIs the black other half not available anymore?20:03
passtNicd-: thanks20:03
svuorelaMadProcessor: who wants a black one when they can get a funky one ?20:03
Nicd-or a keyboard one :)20:06
attahNicd-: thanks for the tip.. might be something for my next hobby project (whatever that might be)20:06
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svuorelaNicd-: :P20:06
attahbut i really don't mind erlang's syntax..20:06
svuorelaNicd-: I'm still busywaiting for my kbd one20:07
Mikaelathe keyboard one seems expensive, but I am typoing with virtual one a lot and I don't like how the virtual keyboard behaves in fingerterm20:07
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Teguyea, the fingerterm keyboard is a bit different20:08
Obi-Lantheres not much kompetition for tohkbd20:08
Obi-Lan;)20:08
attahMikaela: yeah.. but it's kind of hard making anything much cheaper in those volumes20:08
Tegusomehow it feels that I'm mispressing more with it.. or it's not registering?20:08
coderuscvp_: thanks20:08
TeguObi-Lan: bluetooth keyboards20:08
Teguyea, not the same, but still20:08
Mikaelasadly20:09
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Obi-Lanseen only one for iphone20:09
Obi-Lanthough issues might be separate battery and security20:09
MikaelaI had class friend who used bluetooth keyboard with android20:09
Mikaelait doesn't seem very good solution in buses (where I probably need keyboard the most) or similar20:10
attahWhat's the status of usb host mode on the jolla anyway?20:10
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raa700https://together.jolla.com/question/75826/jolla-in-usb-host-mode/20:14
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attahCrap...20:17
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MadProcessorThe solar TOH looks very neat. Doesn't the sun melt my jolla and does anyone use it?20:23
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MadProcessorIt just needs a build-in swiss army TOH :D20:25
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Mikaelait looks interesting, but I spend too much time indoors or away from sun to benefit from it and Finland might not be the best place for solar panels in phones, maybe some more southern place20:30
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