#jollamobile log for Saturday, 2015-02-14

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politieim considering buying the jolla phone with the current discount going on. im just worried that the battery life might be bad when you are using android apps. any experience on this? i only want to charge my phone at night preferably00:39
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politiei read mixed things00:40
klopsi-u3depends on the app00:40
politiewould be whatsapp, and an app for trading incase theres isnt a native one00:41
klopsi-u3anything that is going to do continuous 3g data will drain battery00:43
klopsi-u3but i dont have experience with it on a jolla phone so ignore me00:43
politieah any input is welcome00:44
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tadzikI don't see any more usage with android apps than regular apps, fwiw00:44
politiehow long can you go on a charge?00:46
tadzikusually around 3 days00:46
politiepretty long00:46
tadzikI'm not a particularly heavy user :)00:46
politieuse whatsapp?00:47
tadzikno, I don't00:47
politieok thanks00:48
politiedecisions00:49
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klopsi-u3on the one hand you have a privacy-respecting phone, then you want to run the antithesis to privacy on it00:50
tadzikif you want privacy don't put a simcard in00:51
politietheres certain groups i need to be in on whatsapp, im not going to try and convince people not to use it00:52
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klopsi-u3ok00:54
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politiethe annoying thruth :p00:54
klopsi-u3true story, the school my girlfriend is in distributes assignments via whatsapp00:56
klopsi-u3they made an exception for her and send them to her via email00:56
politiehaha unbelievable01:01
klopsi-u3at least one teacher did that, i dont know about the rest01:03
klopsi-u3but everyone else in her class had whatsapp01:03
klopsi-u3despite the fact that it wants access to all your contacts and calendar01:04
politieid allready like whatsapp more if theyd just allowed third party apps.01:06
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politieany heavy users in here that wanna share the battery charge life?01:27
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aloumpe1-2 days man01:33
aloumpelike nokias01:33
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politiesounds good thanks01:36
Ezko1 shift of drivimg taxi in helsinki :P01:36
politiespecific01:37
politie8 hour shifts?01:38
Ezko8-1201:41
Ezkowith heavy ircing and uch01:41
Ezkosuch01:41
Ezkoi've been at work for 5 hours now and i'm at 50%01:42
politiehmm01:42
Ezkostarted at 90 i think01:43
Ezkolasts better than my desire z did when new01:43
politiescreen on alot i assume01:44
Ezkoyeah01:44
politieok thanks for the info01:44
Ezkoi read irc/fb when driving without customers a lot and almost constantly when waiting for them01:45
Ezkooverall i'm happy01:45
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Ezkowith battery performance01:45
Ezkoalmost never have to charge if i start at full01:46
politieSounds like i can manage atleast a day on it01:48
politieThe gestures seem really convenient too. Are notifications visible without pulling up the notification screen?01:51
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aloumpeonly the icons01:57
aloumpecalls sms emails as icons01:58
politieOk great01:58
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Ezkoemail too02:20
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politieonly on the lockscreen?02:38
politieoh theres a notification light02:45
Ezkoyeah notification light lights up with fb messenger too02:49
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ApteryxHello! If I buy the Jolla Phone + Jolla Tablet indigogo bundle, can I get in shipped to Canada?05:07
Yanielthe list of supported countries is on the indiegogo page05:07
Yanielnot sure if canada was there, probably not (US is not)05:08
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Yanielbut having someone in a supported country forward it to you is not that uncommon05:09
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Apteryxit's not there...05:11
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jaacoppiEzko: what, you read irc and fb while driving?05:35
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MiskiNicd-: F-Secure replied (finally), emailing younited-feedback@f-secure.com with the info on the about page in the webapp (userid, customerid, licenseid) and asking them to delete the account worked08:37
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Sail0rhttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/supporting-the-development-of-saera-on-sailfishos09:11
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tadzikyeah, that got popular fast :)09:27
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coderusif virtual implemented as {} or { return 0 } you might not reimplement it13:30
coderusbut pure virtual = 0; should be implemented13:31
Ezkojaacoppi: yes13:31
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jubo2https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-locked_loop15:17
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jubo2Doitnaohomie.15:18
jubo2You are on course for destruction if you will continue to diss userfriendly and proven FM-reception technology15:18
jubo2the digital is always out to get you15:18
jubo2the analog always is chill to you15:19
jubo2Analog. Do you speak it Jolla Oy ?15:19
jubo2Can I talk about my Jolla constantly rebooting or do I get the other wrong end of the bannhammer15:21
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r0kk3rzjubo2: you can talk about it15:29
r0kk3rzthere are known 'fixes' for it15:30
jubo2r0kk3rz: okdänks15:30
jubo2I think I just need a working copy of the HW and the SW15:30
jubo2which I currently don't have15:30
r0kk3rz?15:31
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attahWooohhooo! This calls for celebration, I have not only managed to get "am" to work in alien-dalvik, i can now invoke intents as i please from the command line15:49
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Stskeepsoh, that's interesting15:50
Stskeepsblog?15:50
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attahare you asking if i want to write about it?15:50
Stskeepsye15:51
Stskeepss15:51
tiwakehttp://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=2442115:51
tiwakethat article is funny15:51
attahi was planning on putting it on together once i have packaged it up a bit.. i.e. tomorrow15:52
attahor were you thinking something more formal?15:53
Stskeepsnah, together works15:54
attahthis also means you guys have no excuse not to make android cover actions a thing ;)15:57
Stskeepscover actions are a bit funny when they don't have native support is it15:58
Stskeepsisnt it15:58
Stskeepsor is there typical actions15:58
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attahhuh?15:59
jubo2They talked me into using both phasebook and whatsapp in under 1.5 weeks at uni15:59
jubo2It's handy15:59
jubo2not as advanced as wikis15:59
jubo2all off-topic15:59
attahi mean user configurable in settings where one can choose from the published intents16:00
jubo2https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-locked_loop <- before this stuff getting FM reception in trains was almost impossible16:00
jubo2that is electric trains16:00
jubo2Analog radio is nice and gentle on the consumer16:01
jubo2it will not stalk coz it cannot stalk16:01
jubo2unless NOK16:01
jubo2in which case too bad16:01
Teemuphase locked loops are Good(TM)16:02
Yaniel> can't stalk analog radio16:02
jubo2Yaniel: can16:02
Yanielthat's about the most ridiculous thing I've heard today16:02
jubo2if reception tuning is done with digital system16:02
jubo2it's trivial to record frequencies and start and end times of reception16:03
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jubo2Anal-og pour grande droite16:05
jubo2unless some corrupt NOK HW that stalks your radio habits and transmits16:05
jubo2that or all the radio channels just spontaneously decide to transmit shit program at same time16:06
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r0kk3rzattah: so something like having android app settings in the app-settings menu?16:10
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attahr0kk3rz: exactly16:10
r0kk3rzwhere you could configure things like cover actions, and maybe in future permissions16:10
r0kk3rzmight be a nice place to manage per-app services as well16:11
r0kk3rzsince some apps have background services16:11
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r0kk3rzattah: i look forward to your tjc post, should be an interesting read16:12
attahhmm, don't get your expectations up... ;)16:13
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jubo2r0kk3rz: I'd love a controllable layer that lies to the Android apps16:16
jubo2I mean both FireFox and Chrome want to "access your precise location at any time"16:16
r0kk3rzas would I16:16
r0kk3rzi think its one of the many things that are 'on the list'16:17
jubo2I know the Jolla browser is shit annoyance that does not have real tabs16:17
coderusinstall nightly16:17
jubo2coderus: that meant for me?16:18
r0kk3rzthese things arent frozen in time, they are being worked on16:18
coderusyes. browser nightly16:18
r0kk3rzlooking forward to the new UI for the browser16:18
jubo2All I can say for certain is to do the Phase-locked loop tech in the Jolla kaksi-piste-nolla HW16:19
jubo2Although this sorta contradicts what I think I heard that Jollas will be able to upgrade to Sailfish216:19
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attahlooks like if i just accept that the scripts needs to be run as root i can be done later today16:37
* attah needs a beer16:37
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* Stskeeps watches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0oQy7jgH_w about ubuntu phone18:02
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Stskeepsyoutube comments are still a shithole though..18:08
* coderus never reads more than 3-4 comments on youtube18:08
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Stskeepsit's a good way to loose faith in humanity18:09
tbrYT now mixes those with G+18:10
Stskeepsyeah..18:10
tbrso if you ever share a YT video, you migth get your share of profanity18:10
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Stskeepsi rarely upload, but when i do it's usually totally awesome18:11
Stskeeps:P18:11
tbrI mean also if you share some random YT link and it gets shown as a video box18:12
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r0kk3rzyeah its interesting18:13
r0kk3rzyt comments are the worst on the internet18:13
r0kk3rzbut why?18:13
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r0kk3rzphone looks good though18:14
r0kk3rzanother different take on a mobile ui18:14
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tigeliStskeeps: so you also watch "erica, the technology nerd who likes to film stuff" ;)18:34
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Stskeepstigeli: no, just linked to it18:57
Stskeeps:P18:57
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tigeliStskeeps: haha :D19:01
tigeliStskeeps: well, she tends to have extensive reviews about phones.. :)19:02
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Stskeepsmy morbid obsessions are not related to technology19:03
Stskeeps:P19:03
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r0kk3rzStskeeps: well morbid obsessions are usually about death19:09
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r0kk3rzwhich is what makes them morbid19:09
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attahhttps://together.jolla.com/question/38863/how-do-i-trigger-an-android-intent-from-outside-alien-dalvik/?answer=81458#post-id-8145819:11
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bockiattah, this looks really interresting. awesome research19:16
attahbocki: thanks!19:16
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silver_hookHappy I Love Free Software Day! And thanks for the awesome mobile OS as well as aiming at being as open as possible :)19:35
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klopsi-u3yes thanks JOlla19:36
silver_hookhttp://fsfe.org/campaigns/ilovefs19:39
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Nicd-just the other day I though about something related. christian circles have a tradition of donating 10 % of your income to the church. what could we accomplish if we had something similar with regards to open source? if everyone donated 1 % or even 0.1 % of their income to open source projects19:42
klopsi-u3"if everyone" does something, then a lot can be accomplished19:43
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klopsi-u3if everyone bought a jolla phone, jolla would do very well19:43
Nicd-yeah, but a lot more people are willing or able to give money than time19:44
klopsi-u3yes there is at least one jolla developer who is getting funding through indiegogo19:44
attahHaha! first vote on the answer gave me the badge "Necromancer"19:44
r0kk3rzattah: no worries :)19:45
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silver_hookNicd- that's entirely possible (at least in eu), because you can dedicage that part of your income tax to either the church (default) or any NGO that is registered as working in public good.19:45
Nicd-silver_hook: not in Finland. but you can do it manually19:46
attahr0kk3rz: thanks!19:46
attahnot that i need the karma.. but i'm afraid most people won't understand what this means..19:46
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silver_hookSo 1) get NGO 2) register NGO as working in public good 3) ask people to assign their income tax to you 4) profit19:47
r0kk3rzattah, you put in the effort for the benefit of all, i thought that deserved karma19:47
* Trezker left the church recently. Not gonna pay any more tax to something I don't believe in :)19:47
r0kk3rzsilver_hook: wouldnt it be better to use something like bountrysource?19:48
silver_hookNicd-: could be that it is not eu-wide that the default goes to church.19:48
r0kk3rzinstead of a faux religious organisation19:48
klopsi-u3is open-source a religion? :)19:48
attahr0kk3rz: sure, and i like it! i just meant i want more people to see it, but not necessarily the karma that comes with it19:48
Nicd-silver_hook: you can't change it in Finland. if you are a member of the lutheran church you have to pay tax to them. if you are not, you don't pay that tax, but you can't "redirect" it anywhere. so you'd do it manually19:49
silver_hookr0kk3rz: I'm not opposed at all to bug bounties. just replying to nicd19:49
attahklopsi-u3: the church of st ignucius...19:49
Trezkerhttp://kopimistsamfundet.se/english/19:49
r0kk3rzklopsi-u3: well open-source is a philosophy19:49
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r0kk3rzwhy does a philosophy need to be about gods to be a religion?19:49
TrezkerBuddhism is only a religion for tax purposes.19:50
silver_hookNicd-: ok , odd. i know in Slovenia you can choose anything you want, regardless19:50
klopsi-u3I am a disciple and RMS is my prohpet. Prais be the source.19:50
silver_hookanyway, i don't think religion is the topic of this channel19:50
r0kk3rzRMS does have all the hallmarks of a modern day prophet19:50
klopsi-u3he was a true leader, no sarcasm19:51
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r0kk3rzbut sometimes its better to keep money out of things19:51
silver_hookBTW, the IRC client on Sailfish is brilliant! Needs to be said :)19:51
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s1lvesterrms wouldn't want you to use jolla through19:56
tadzikduh. Because it's a phone19:59
* attah calls an intent over ssh to resume his audio book19:59
r0kk3rzyeah, evil qualcomm blobs19:59
Stskeepsall phones are inherently evil.. :P20:00
Stskeepslet's all get ip over software radio20:00
attahanything short of osmocom wouldn't be enough i guess20:00
Stskeeps:P20:00
Stskeeps+defined20:00
r0kk3rzneed p2p mesh networking SDR mobile phones20:01
tbrmeh, let's just go back to tube operated short wave radios20:02
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s1lvesterattah, are you using a special audio book player? or did you just now send an intent through your script to an android app?20:04
attahi'm using audible20:04
attahso.. com.audible.application.app.PLAY20:04
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s1lvesternice20:05
s1lvesterI'll check your script next week... already wrote a todo entry20:06
attah:)20:06
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