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Nicd-http://hurrdurr.org/07:04
Nicd-linux is dead. long live the hurr durr07:04
TemeV:D07:08
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jaacoppignu hurr durr. Prepare your tin foil hats.09:35
entilhttp://new2.fjcdn.com/comments/I+tried+i+need+to+name+my+files+better+_a7b8ffa825a715401aaa85aa9e3ce7b0.jpg09:36
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anandrkrisdalcde - you could have locked this long long ago :) https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/issues/13012:40
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anandrkrisOops..wrong window :(12:44
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Nicd-Stskeeps: I hope this new memory chip is taken into account when you plan jolla's next device: http://repeater-builder.com/molotora/gontor/25120-bw.pdf13:28
Stskeepshmm13:29
Stskeeps:P13:29
kimmolijust fast enough cpu, and πfs13:30
Stskeepsi want memristors13:31
Stskeeps:P13:31
ggabrieli want one of those13:31
sharpneliMemristors and power consumption. Ewww :E13:33
sharpneliNo reversible computation on those13:33
ggabrieli loved max typical13:34
ggabrielthat I will say in one meeting one day and it will pass as smart talk13:35
temmi_hoopifs? yet another pre-beta fs, this time with moar cool and internal snmpd?13:36
Nicd-temmi_hoo: https://github.com/philipl/pifs13:37
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temmi_hooapparently i'm already loving it13:47
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ggabrielapparently google has been doing this for years, but they use e13:49
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temmi_hoovihart uses tau13:52
ggabrielwait - upper case or lower case?13:52
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temmi_hoohttps://www.youtube.com/user/Vihart13:53
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scottctemmi_hoo: this is so cool14:01
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schoppenhauerhello. is it possible to revoke app permissions of android apps in sailfish os? (like many privacy-enhanced android ROMs allow)17:27
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r0kk3rzschoppenhauer: not as yet17:30
schoppenhauerr0kk3rz: why not?17:30
r0kk3rzbecause it hasnt been implemented yet?17:30
schoppenhauercan't I add another user and run the apps in a dalvik as this user?17:30
r0kk3rzi dont think so17:31
r0kk3rzthe last update moved dalvik into a chroot17:33
schoppenhauermeh17:33
r0kk3rzso we will probably see some more permissions related stuff in the future17:33
sjtoikthere was some debate over the matter quite some time ago, but i think it was left unresolved17:37
sjtoikthere is just too many ways to do privacy restrictions and all of them has some drawbacks17:37
merlin1991aegis !!17:37
merlin1991:D17:37
* merlin1991 invokes Cthulhu17:38
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r0kk3rzwe'll see what special can come up with for the security model17:39
cityLightshow can I stop a service on a systemd host from a python script17:40
cityLights?17:40
merlin1991import subprocess17:40
cityLightsI figured dbus17:40
merlin1991subprocess.check_call(['systemctl', 'stop', 'someservice.service'])17:41
merlin1991or maybe there is some dbus api but I have nfc17:41
merlin1991I can't even filter down journalctl to what I want to see on the jolla ...17:41
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merlin1991I managed to find the _PID=X filter, but that is such a hassel17:41
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merlin1991cityLights: but even if there is a dbus api, unless you do other stuff via dbus I wouldn't do it directly in python since you then need the glib loop and friends for nothing17:43
cityLightsI see17:43
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Stskeepshttps://blog.jolla.com/design-insights-sailfish-os/17:44
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* attah looks at https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83818:02
merbotMer bug 838 in .Project-core "ciphering indicator API" [Normal,New]18:02
M4rtinKso just in case - new modRana has been released: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1466493#post146649318:02
M4rtinKfinally with online routing support on Sailfish OS :)18:03
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r0kk3rzis it just me, or does merbot give out the wrong URL18:28
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attahHow does one escape a "!" in BASH? :S18:56
Mikaela\!?18:56
attahnope.. it prints the backslash18:57
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attah(in echo "\!?" for example)18:57
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toerbattah: try it without " or with '19:02
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attahtoerb: had tried ', but without seems to do the trick, thanks!19:03
attahMikaela: i guess you meant that and i ws just slow? :P19:04
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MikaelaI meant \! without quotes, but quotes probably work19:05
Mikaela% echo \!19:05
Mikaela!19:05
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Xiphgday19:06
attahi was coming from a string with quotes.. and for some reason ! won't escape if quoted19:06
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temmi_hooyou need to be pretty careful when passing around strings with special characters19:08
temmi_hooescaping and de-escaping and quoting and dequoting19:08
temmi_hoo... or script using some sane language19:08
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attahtemmi_hoo: just playing manually19:13
temmi_hoothis will be a valuable lesson19:14
attahi guess so :)19:14
temmi_hoonext time when your thoughts start to diverge like "i'll just quickly shell-script it", DON'T19:15
attah:P19:15
attahactually i'm playing with AT commands on my jolla19:16
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temmi_hooat commands make me think it's 1987 again19:18
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attahisn't it?19:19
attahi mean 1984 has come and gone it seems19:20
dr_gogeta86at command how ?19:20
attah /dev/smd719:20
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Xiphany qt/qml gurus here?19:52
Xiphcan anyone tell me how to run a function when a page is pushed to pageStack?19:52
XiphI mean, when the page appear19:52
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Xiphcan't find a suiting signal19:56
attahi am a total noob on that.. but i'd assume onCompleted19:56
attahalso.. i think #sailfishos is slightly better for those questions, that's where i beg for help anyway :)19:57
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Xiphah, thanks attah, I'll try there19:57
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Xiphalso, onCompleted doesn't seem to exist for Page19:58
Xiphthanks anyway19:58
attahworth a shot, sorry i couldn't be of more help19:58
Xiphnp19:59
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attahXiph: i think i found it!20:01
Xiph:)20:01
attahonSytatusChanged:20:01
Xiphmhm, yea that sounds like something20:02
attahand if on status==PageStatus.Active20:02
* attah should not type function names20:02
attahonStatusChanged of course20:02
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Xiphyes, that was exactly what I was looking for20:04
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attahgreat!20:05
montezumaHey guys, I need to shamelessy ask my tjc question here: Does anybody know a workaround to make the alarm sound longer (i.e. playing an entire audio-file or similar)? It really bothers me, that it only lasts one minute (https://together.jolla.com/question/87414)20:05
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attahmontezuma: i think i do20:08
montezumaAwesome!20:08
attahbut on your own risk...20:08
montezumaattah: Meh, That's what a Jolla is for, isn't it?20:08
attah /usr/share/jolla-alarm-ui/pages/AlarmDialogBase.qml20:09
attahtowards the end "interval: 60000"20:09
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montezumaOh. Theres a whole directory for the clock UI that I missed. Great.20:12
attahwell.. i have patched stuff in the past :P20:12
attahdid it work? should i put in an answer on tjc?20:13
montezumaOne second my wlan is a bit slow, even locally.20:14
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montezumaIt works!! Absolutely fantastic. Now I can get to the point where the song is really great! Thanks a lot attah. Please add it to tjc!20:18
attahYou are quite welcome!20:19
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montezumaBy the way: If the audio-file is over, it starts again, if the time has not stopped. It does not snooze after the song.20:20
Tofemontezuma: are you really sure you use it as an alarm ? :)20:20
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attahmontezuma: I'm looking in to it ;)20:23
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montezumaTofe: It took me a solid minute to understand what you meant. Then I started laughing tears. Yes! Yes I do use it as an alarm. But I hate that it interrupts the song every morning right before it gets funny.20:23
Tofeoh, ok :)20:24
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montezumaattah: No need to, at least for me. I would say that I prefer it that way since I still have control when it should snooze/stop.20:27
montezumaTofe: The song is youtu.be/vCiG7xoEb2Y btw, notice the 1 minute mark.20:28
attahmontezuma: found it anyway.. /usr/share/ngfd/events.d/clock.ini20:28
montezumaAh, I recognize that file. Thanks again. I will test it in the following days. Are you ok with already accepting your answer?20:32
attahby all means :)20:33
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Xiphare there no operators in this channel?20:38
stephgXiph: why do you ask?20:39
kimmolithey are lurking...20:40
stephgalways lurking20:40
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Xiphjust curious20:41
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zetazHello there !21:00
phlixiHi zetaz21:00
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zetazanyone knows of a web browser that have a "reader" mode : keeping only text and meaningful images, and throwing away what doesn't matters. And formating all so that it fits on the screen ?21:01
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zetazor at least would have clues how to do it ?21:01
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phlixidoesnt firefox has such a mode?21:01
zetazThis would be great and fit very well with the gesture based interface of sailfish : tabs could be in a page one swipe away21:02
zetazphlixi: firefox is an android only app right ?21:02
phlixisure21:03
zetazso it can't benefit from silica's interface...21:03
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phlixiwell, you swipe to go to the "reader mode" (or whatever it is called), of course i understand you would prefer a native app :)21:03
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zetazI thought a bit about it, but web is so complex, that I don't really know how to do it.. it is not just keeping text tags, as now everything is in HTML div's with CCS, or javascript generated...21:04
r0kk3rzjolla-browser uses gecko, so maybe you can play around with about:config21:05
zetazphlixi: we got some discussion about this on jaakko's blog. I said I would take a look, but so far I didn't find a lot of things on how it's done... I assume firefox for android's code is open source, so could look there but I fear the complexity of it...21:06
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zetazhi r0kk3rz ! do you have a clue at what to look in the config ?21:07
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phlixii guess userstyles, in a greasemonkey/stylish way21:08
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r0kk3rzzetaz: no idea21:08
phlixihowever, this would not be a tap for an article, but writing css for one page where you expect to read articels21:08
phlixii do not know if it is possible to fork sailfish browser (no idea what licence it is) and if it is "easy" to add the reader mode maybe its already half there, maybe nothing of it is with gecko21:09
zetazr0kk3rz: just opened it... that is a holy list of parameters ! ;)21:10
phlixibut there are some alternative browsers, you might want to have  alok atthem and check wether they have such a feature, or somthing similar21:10
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r0kk3rzzetaz: yeah theres a few, no idea if any of that helps you though, so good luck21:13
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zetazr0kk3rz: thanks for the idea. We'll see what's in there.21:14
phliximaybe a backup of the original file is not a bad idea21:14
zetazphlixi: sure.21:14
phlixii did not found a similar feature after a quick look at webcat21:16
phliximaybe using an rss reader is an alternative for at least a subset of the occasions where you would like to use a reader-mode21:16
phlixiin the end this is the logical consequence to simply use the rss that is there anyway and to apply some default styles => that actually pretty much the definition of what an rss reader does21:17
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zetazphlixi: There is not only news that would benefit from it. A wikipedia page for example. But for some website, using the rss feed is indeed a good idea.21:33
phlixithats why i put "for at least a subset of the occasions" :-)21:33
phlixii know its not perfect21:33
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zetazI found out that the reader mode in firefox was introduced in firefox 38 nightly. It seems to use some javascript to do the work (ReaderMode.jsm)21:34
zetaz^firefox desktop 38 nightly21:34
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zetazso at some point it could be possible to test directly on PC how that works21:35
fennekki:OOOO21:35
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fennekkireader mode in desktop firefox?21:35
fennekkiFinally!21:35
zetaznot yet out... they seem to talk about it for ages.21:35
phlixii tried on my jolla, and its actually firefox 26 (should upgrade, but i do not use firefox on the jolla anyway...)21:35
zetazfennekki:  http://www.ghacks.net/2015/02/07/mozilla-starts-to-push-reader-mode-to-desktop-firefox/21:35
phlixiah, desktop...21:36
phlixi:-)21:36
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phliximaybe you could hacj something together with a bookmarklet to convert the current page into a "reader page" with that js21:36
phlixihowever, i have no idea if it is possible and if yes how to use something like bookmarklets (again, maybe some greasemonkey-style approach could work)21:37
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zetazphlixi: a hack is what I am looking for right now, to make a proof of concept. I won't have the skill to do much more, if I can already do that.21:38
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zetazI didn't know the word bookmarklets before you said it... not starting well ;)21:38
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phlixilittle bit javascript in a bookmark21:42
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phlixihowever i never really tried to do such thing in a mobile browser (would make a lot sense there)21:42
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zetazphlixi: adding this to my search list. Thanks. Right now, I am downloading sailfish browser (and embedlite/gecko) sources to see what is in there regarding this javascript.21:52
zetazto be continued....21:52
phlixihave fun! :-)21:52
zetazphlixi: not sure where I will land, but it should be fun :D21:53
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zetazin gecko's source, but I found that the readermode is availlable in the android part, but no mention of it in the embedlite part. Not sure if it is only adding some hooks there, or it needs a lot of hard work to pull it there due to missing things...22:00
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