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birdzhang(gdb) backtrace03:48
birdzhang#0  0x40c1c10c in QVariant::QVariant(QByteArray const&) () from /usr/lib/libQt5Core.so.503:48
birdzhangis this a bug of Qt5?03:48
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_miqu_Hello, I have a problem with media player playback.07:53
_miqu_It doesnt start to play. Videos play fine and other sounds. Its just music from Jolla media player. It started after I installed an android app Sworkit that is built on Ionic framework and uses sound and video. And I couldnt fix it with reboot or removal of app or removal of alien dalvik.07:53
_miqu_Found this tjc thread but it seems to be quite small. https://together.jolla.com/question/49518/sound-from-media-app-stops-working/07:54
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Temei wonder what happened to my Messages-app .. i received and SMS and suddenly all text in there is a light gray, almost too light to read08:18
Temeclosing and reopening has no effect08:19
chriadamTeme: did you change your ambience / switch your TOH cover?08:20
Temenot recently, no08:22
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nanderHi, is it possible to add a second google account to my android on jolla?09:04
nanderhttps://together.jolla.com/question/40308/how-to-add-google-account-for-android-apps/?answer=40731#post-id-40731 << I found this, but the link is dead09:05
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nanderAlso, when is the GUI finally going to support more complex wifi networks like Eduroam? It's just plain sad that such a feature isn't added yet.09:10
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Morpog_PCit's on the sailfishos roadmap iirc09:27
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Temeregarding the light gray text in messages... turning it horizontally seems to have fixed the problem09:31
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Temebut somehow i have a feeling lipstick is f'ed up in other ways too... alarm just started ringing and screen didn't turn on until tapping for 5 times or so09:32
wysiwtfselfishoes09:35
politiehow do i kill alien dalvik?09:35
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Accesystemctl stop aliendalvik.service as root09:38
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politiethanks09:38
Mikaelaor alternatively install Sailfish Utilities and open it from settings --> system and press "stop android support"09:38
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politiethanks09:51
Mikaelayou're welcome09:52
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coderuscybette: ping. next meeting 14:30 or 15:30 utc? information in email and first post are different10:06
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MikaelaI seem to have coonnection issues again, but this time only aliendalvik is missing connection entirely. Restarting aliendalvik didn't help, neither did reboot10:19
Mikaelaissue affects both WLAN & mobile data10:19
Mikaelaand for some reason sshd also stopped being started automatically even if it's enabled10:19
Mikaelano issues with native apps10:20
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politieall my android apps started to freeze on startup today10:22
Mikaelahttps://together.jolla.com/question/93340/aptoide-no-network-connection/ seems related, but I must see relatives now so I cannot erad further :(10:22
birdzhangI have a problem of gdb10:27
birdzhangProgram received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.10:27
birdzhang[Switching to Thread 0x46ddb3f0 (LWP 23981)]10:27
birdzhang0x40c1c10c in QVariant::QVariant(QByteArray const&) () from /usr/lib/libQt5Core.so.510:27
birdzhang(gdb) backtrace10:27
birdzhang#0  0x40c1c10c in QVariant::QVariant(QByteArray const&) () from /usr/lib/libQt5Core.so.510:27
birdzhangIs this a bug of Qt5?10:28
birdzhangI googled , and found nothing...10:29
coderusbirdzhang: pastebin10:30
coderusand post full backtrace10:30
birdzhangat irc ?10:30
coderussure10:30
birdzhangbacktrace :10:31
Yanielpost the backtrace on a pastebin and the link to the post on irc10:31
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birdzhangwait me10:31
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birdzhanghttp://pastebin.com/SGL4PHJZ10:32
birdzhanghere10:32
coderusbirdzhang: is there sources available?10:32
birdzhangyeah10:33
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birdzhanghttps://github.com/SunRain/SailfishWeibo10:33
coderusso, https://github.com/SunRain/SailfishWeibo/blob/master/src/app/MyNetworkAccessManagerFactory.cpp#L150, when value is not set into settings this poor code is trying to assign uninitialized value10:35
coderusuncomment line before10:35
birdzhangyou need login ,and the bug appear10:35
coderusor replace data inside with ""10:35
coderuscode is poor ,thats it10:35
birdzhangthankyou10:35
coderusor even better just remove default value (data)10:36
birdzhang:)10:36
coderusdebugging is cool almost all the time :)10:37
birdzhangthank you10:38
coderusyw :)10:40
coderusseems i'm in a good mood this morning10:40
coderuswill try to debug my own projects :10:41
coderus:D10:41
kimmolicoderus: :)10:41
kimmolior if data is to be init empty, replace ("cookies", data) with ("cookies", QByteArray()) ?10:42
kimmoliif there are no cookies10:42
coderuskimmoli: it's same as doing toByteArray an empty QVariant :)10:44
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kimmoliah, there was default, https://github.com/SunRain/SailfishWeibo/blob/master/src/app/Settings.h#L2110:46
coderuskimmoli: yes, unitialized broken code :)10:47
birdzhangthe author is my friend ,and i am not good at C++10:48
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birdzhangi will contact him to fix10:49
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coderusbirdzhang: https://github.com/SunRain/SailfishWeibo/commit/758bdfb3e350047f1505e3e16b2f88fe05939f34#commitcomment-1130312310:52
birdzhangoh,thank you for your pull request10:53
coderusit not pr10:53
coderusits comment on commit which is broken things10:53
birdzhang-_-#10:54
coderusauthor will be notified via gihub this way10:54
birdzhangyeah10:54
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gexcit seems windows10 has something like ambience as well lol11:16
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politiecan i run windows 10 on my jolla?11:18
ln-i hope not11:18
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* gexc is running win10 on virtualbox11:19
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falfapoor virtualbox11:35
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birdzhangmicrosoft become more and more open mind11:40
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falfai doubt that11:54
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arvuthi13:33
arvutany news on the release date for the tablet?13:33
arvuti want one so i can use irssi and vim away from home in a more convenient way13:34
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Oni^try screen?13:35
ggabrielarvut: end of july13:38
ggabrielarvut: blog.jolla.com13:38
politieand sailfish os 2 for phone? same date?13:38
ggabrielarvut: but if you haven't participated in the crowdfunding, then i don't know13:38
ggabrielpolitie: i have no idea :)13:39
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politieggabriel , ok thanks13:39
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arvutggabriel: oh, I wanted one for my bday, which has passed. guess I'll have to wait then :)13:46
ggabrielarvut: happy birthday and yes, unfortunately for these things you have to wait... this isn't like popping to the store and getting an ipad13:47
arvutggabriel: got the phone at last cyber monday/black friday deals, I was a N9 and N900 user before13:47
arvutthe ipad is eww13:48
arvuti don't like it13:48
arvutplus, it has no root access by default13:48
arvutbtw, sailfishOS 2.0, does it run on other tablets too?13:48
arvutany testing been done I mean?13:48
ggabrielthat's something that jolla people can respond to...13:49
arvutI assume it could run on some android tablet, since they probably use same cpu13:49
ggabrielsfos 2isn't out yet13:49
arvutyeah I know13:49
ggabrielfwiw, the tablet has an intel cpu13:49
arvutoh13:49
arvutso I could install gentoo on it? xD13:49
locusfsince it will run on the Jolla phone, its armv7hl distributed too13:50
ggabrieldepends on the bootloader i guess13:50
locusf-h13:50
arvutah yes13:50
locusfits gonna be a prime target for #sailfishos-porters :)13:50
arvutdoes jolla use a bootloader on the phone btw? slightly curious about that13:50
locusfit does, you can unlock it13:50
arvuthow?13:51
locusfgo to the recovery menu13:51
locusftelnet in13:51
locusfselect an option13:51
locusfdone13:51
arvutcould I dualboot, say, android and ubuntu phone, on it?13:51
arvuterr, tripple boot that would be13:51
arvutssh you mean?13:51
arvuttelnet is a tad bit old13:51
locusfno its telnet13:51
arvutoh13:52
locusfvia usb13:52
arvutah13:52
locusfits ok13:52
arvutyes13:52
locusfdualboot would require snapshot switching13:52
arvutits quite secure over a single usbnet connection I guess, I'm on gentoo-hardened after all13:52
locusfubuntu touch has been determined not to work easily13:52
arvutk13:52
arvutnever tried ubuntu's phone OS13:52
arvutbut I read somewhere that its out now13:53
ggabrielare they selling phones yet? :)13:53
arvuttook them awhile :)13:53
arvutdunno13:53
locusfyeah its bq aquaris and meize mx413:53
locusf*meizu13:53
arvutdoes ssh not work over usbnet btw?13:53
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arvutor simply no need for it13:53
locusfwell I don't13:53
ggabrielarvut: recovery mode you have to boot into13:54
ggabrielso, no, only telnet at that stage13:54
arvutah13:54
ggabrielthen unlock, then fastboot13:54
locusf+ know why dropbear wasn't packaged in the recovery rootfs13:54
locusfoh yeah readonly rootfs13:54
locusfso no key generation13:54
arvutah13:54
locusfI guess :p13:54
arvutthat would explain it13:54
arvutcan it be remounted rw?13:55
locusfits possible to create fabricated recovery image but its nondistributable13:55
arvutbtw, does this stuff violate any license agreement?13:55
arvutxD13:55
arvutwarranty and such13:55
locusfwell Jolla's license is nothing crazy13:56
ggabriellocusf: thanks, they don't look that tempting those ubuntu phones13:56
ggabrielthe mx4 you can't buy (404's)13:56
lainwir3da coworker has an ubuntu phone13:56
arvutlainwir3d: does it work?13:56
lainwir3dmore or less13:56
arvutbugs?13:57
lainwir3dyeah13:57
arvutahh13:57
lainwir3da lot less polishing than sailfish13:57
ggabrielarvut: if you unlock the bootloader and you break the phone by doing that, then it's your fault13:57
lainwir3dbut they release regular updates apparently13:57
ggabrielarvut: if you break the phone with dev mode, same case13:57
lainwir3dand it keeps improving13:57
arvutggabriel: yes, but can the damage be undone?  I don't think I could possibly brick it13:57
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arvutlike resetting it with firmware flash13:58
ggabrielarvut: famous last words :)13:58
ggabrielarvut: you can easily nuke the emmc by doing a bad dd13:58
ggabrieland then goodbye13:58
arvutI reflashed my n9 and n900 some years ago13:58
ggabrieldifferent stuff13:58
arvutah13:58
ggabrieln900 != n9 != jolla13:58
arvutthen phone would need new emmc then13:58
chem|starvut: with a known well documented process and a tool that does flashing for you13:58
ggabrielarvut: not really, you need proper access to the emmc, which you don't have on the jolla13:59
arvutchem|st: yeah, that was the way I used to do it on nokias hardware13:59
ggabrielso yeah, you can break it alright13:59
arvutguess I can then13:59
arvutI do dd alot13:59
arvuts/alot/a lot/13:59
chem|starvut: if you look at the bootloader the wrong way you have a nice brick13:59
locusfI've got a fastboot flashing theory14:00
arvutchem|st: what bootloader does jolla use?14:00
arvutlilo? grub2?14:00
arvutcustom?14:00
chem|stlol14:00
arvutI really have no clue14:00
arvutnever installed on such hardware myself14:00
locusfwell its an android phone in the heart14:01
chem|starvut: std android14:01
chem|stin fastboot-mode14:01
chem|stiirc14:01
locusfits custom alright but probably nothing too dissimilar to others14:01
locusfyeah14:01
chem|starvut: but I do not mean if you treat it wrong, I mean if you touch it14:02
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chem|styou can probably attemt to boot other stuff al day long as long as you do not destroy/touch the boot partition in the process you should be ok14:03
chem|stbut what is the point in booting or even installing other things to a Jolla?14:04
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chem|stif Jolla would be THE sota hardware ok but it is 3 year old hardware with nothing special14:06
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locusfwell Nemo is more FOSS and installable14:07
arvutchem|st: could I install other distros on the extra micro-sd slot and boot them via bootloader? and how would you update the bootloader itself?14:08
locusfthe problem is the hardware adaptation and wifi14:08
chem|starvut: so you want a Jolla to become a digital photo frame? that is all you probably get out of it14:09
chem|stwhy would you need to update the bootloader?14:09
arvutit would need to know of more choices to boot from?14:09
arvutI'm only familiar with x86 booting14:09
chem|styou mean multiboot14:10
chem|stiirc you could reboot in another system if need be14:10
arvutchem|st: yeah14:10
locusfyeah snapshot switching14:10
arvutexactly14:10
locusfrequires a custom kernel for that, custom initrd to be exact14:11
arvutI used to multiboot into windows on this machine, then got sick of it and rm -rf`d everything, haven't redone partition scheme yet14:11
chem|stbut again, where is the point in booting something else than sailfish?14:11
locusffor the lols?14:11
arvutjust for fun I guess14:11
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arvutgentoo on a jolla phone, that would be some MOOOO14:12
chem|starvut: you already have linux there, and as it is probably a really bad idea to replace the kernel...14:12
locusfit could boot14:12
arvuti have a bluetooth keyboard, if I could pair it via cli, by ssh into phone first14:12
locusfI just don't want to have nothing to do with bringing it to graphics :p14:13
arvutchem|st: not replace, just add another, with new filesystem ofcourse14:13
arvutadd another distro to the pile14:13
locusfyou do have to replace the kernel14:13
arvutoh14:13
locusfand add the new snapshot14:13
arvutis the kernel part of the bootloader?14:13
locusfwell bootloader loads the kernel14:13
locusfand executes initrd14:14
arvutyeah.. but why would I have to replace kernel then?14:14
locusfdifferent initrd14:14
locusfto multiboot14:14
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locusfthats how the kernel is packaged on Jolla14:15
arvutk14:15
arvutits all new to me, exciting!14:15
arvutxD14:16
iekkuoops, unlike i mentioned at invitation, meeting is starting 14:3014:16
locusfso in 14 minutes?14:16
iekkuyes14:16
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arvutgrab coffee then, off you go14:17
iekkucybette's invitation woke me up14:17
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dunphttp://neo900.org/15:34
Stskeepsconnection reset?15:35
Stskeepsah. preorder start15:36
Stskeepsslashdot comments talk about 'shitty retarded phone'. ouch15:36
Stskeepser, no15:36
Stskeepsfreetarded15:36
Nicd-slashdot comments are shit nowadays15:37
Stskeepsnews.ycombinator.com is where i get my fill these days15:37
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temmi_moofreetarded as in crippled because of someone insisting on Only The Only Possible Free Licence(TM) ??15:38
ggabrielwow, that page takes ages to load15:39
ggabrielis it hosted in north korea?15:39
temmi_mooi like the white on white text for the important sales pitch15:41
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ggabrielit's a nice project though15:43
Nicd-ggabriel: it's being slashdotted15:45
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ggabrielNicd-: i wouldn't check slashdot for feedback on this phone15:46
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ggabrielit isn't for me [the phone] anyway15:47
ggabrieli wouldn't check most of the smartphone reviewers anyway15:47
temmi_mooso, a complete neo900 is 150eur whereas just the mobo will cost 990eur15:48
temmi_mooi think they might have mismatched something15:48
ggabrielmobo?15:49
ggabriel150eur is very cheap15:49
temmi_moomotherboard15:50
Morpog_PC150015:50
ggabrielok, so they missed a 0 :)15:50
ggabrieltemmi_moo: ta15:50
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Nicd-actually it's 150 € *more*15:51
Nicd-"the cost of the motherboard should be somewhere around 990 EUR. The complete device will cost about 150 EUR more"15:51
Morpog_PCplus VAT15:51
Morpog_PCplus shipping costs :D15:52
Stskeepsif i was to do anything today, i'd take a http://www.ingenic.cn/en/?newton/id/1.html , slap a old screen on top and modem over high speed uart..15:52
Stskeepsor the likes15:52
Morpog_PCStskeeps, when does that blog entry about display will be published? Soon is a while ago now :D15:54
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arvutreading up on initrd now, manpage is very neat16:24
Mikaeladoes someone here recognize issue where aliendalvik is entirely missing network connectivity and sshd doesn't start on boot? <https://together.jolla.com/question/93721/no-network-with-aliendalvik-sshd-doesnt-start-on-boot/>16:24
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Stskeepsl16:50
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chem|starvut: still on it... good luck, I still don't get why but well...18:27
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Nicd-hey, anyone here know EU consumer laws?19:35
Nicd-consumer protection laws specifically19:35
Stskeepsmm, maybe it's better to ask what you're wondering19:36
Nicd-not related to jolla, don't worry :)19:36
Nicd-just wondered if they have anything related to stuff being late for months. like you order something which says "estimated delivery" and they push it back month after month after month, at the same time refusing to send you the stuff they already have (they only want to send out completed orders)19:37
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fluxdon't they cancel your order if you tell them to?19:41
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flux(or part of the order)19:42
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fluxor are you hoping to get the already-arrived-items to you with the same cost as the later-to-be-sent parts..19:42
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Nicd-the last one. probably just up to them and they don't want to do it19:46
Nicd-at least they have had plenty of time to gather interest on my money :P19:46
svuorelaNicd-: according to at least some card processors, you aren't allowed to grab the money before you send out the items.19:47
ppyep, that's probably the best angle, airlines don't get their money until they fly the flight19:48
ppso could be for physical goods as well19:48
ppat least it gives you a pretty good hammer to cluebat the vendor19:48
pp(credit cards, with debit you lose)19:49
Nicd-ain't I glad I used debit thne19:51
Nicd-then*19:51
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ppthe "i'm stupid" insurance you might have is nice too, covers any personal stupidity for stuff you buy for a few months :-)19:57
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svuorelaNicd-: but even with debit cards, if they never send anything, you can ask for a chargeback.19:57
svuorela(it gets much more difficult if they send you an empty box)19:58
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ShadowJKNicd-, sounds like verkkokauppa?20:41
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ShadowJKoh, hm, nm :)20:43
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tadzikhmm, anyidea if https://together.jolla.com/question/74353/question-bluetooth-and-wifi-interference/ is another manifestation of the power problems of jolla?21:33
tadzikor something inherently broken with the hardware and unfixable21:34
tiwakeeagerly waiting for tablets to ship :321:35
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dr_gogeta86Good evening  guyss21:39
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tiwakeafternoon21:41
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ShadowJKtadzik, that is unrelated to power problems.21:46
tadzikShadowJK: but also unit-specific? Is there hope that Care may give me a working device?21:47
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ShadowJKIf the device works with only bluetooth, and works with only wifi, then I would expect that the device behaves the same with wifi+bluetooth, as every other device21:49
ShadowJKIn other words, "no"21:49
tadzikwell then, I guess I'll join the jolla2 hype train next.time it passes by. This sucks21:50
ShadowJKThe fundamental issue, of course, is that bluetooth and wifi transmit on the same frequencies, so they interfere with eachother21:50
ShadowJKI can stream music over wifi, and out via bluetooth to bluetooth headphones, just fine21:52
ShadowJKBut if I was using my shitty cheap wifi access point that doesn't support wifi powersaving, I imagine that the results would be worse :)21:52
ShadowJK(because then wifi would always be active, leaving little airtime free for bluetooth)21:52
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ShadowJKAnd also, the weaker bt or wifi signal there is, the more time the wifi or bt radio will stay active, blocking the other radio :/21:54
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