#jollamobile log for Saturday, 2015-06-06

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TMavicaGood morning01:17
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coderusso orly morning :D06:22
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ilpianistait's just me or Jolla does not set any LANG?08:10
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Stskeepsilpianista: it should, in /var/lib/environment/locale.conf or the likes08:27
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ilpianistaStskeeps: it seems it's ignored when you login from SSH or application it launched via qtcreator (then via SSH)08:28
Stskeepsmay be08:28
Stskeepsssh would override it?08:28
ilpianistaseems it sets C08:28
ilpianistaoutput from SSH http://dpaste.com/3MFWM5708:29
Stskeepsmail it on sailfish-devel08:29
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tbrssh by default tries to use the client side locale08:35
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* oida derb08:51
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ilpianistatbr: mmm, than it fails because I use en_GB09:18
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coderusilpianista: disable client lang in ssh conf then10:09
coderusand qtc using uwn environment, you can edit it in project run settings10:09
coderusown*10:09
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madkHey guys15:23
madkI have a question... is a second jolla phone coming out soon?15:23
madkI don't want to waste money if I could wait and buy a better device.15:23
r0kk3rznot that anyone has announced yet15:23
madkr0kk3rz: any rumours?15:23
madkAlso what SIM does it take? Micro I'm assuming.15:23
r0kk3rzit takes micro15:24
madkOkay cool15:24
r0kk3rzwe know there is a third party manufacturer that is taking on sailfishos15:24
r0kk3rzthat will be announced before summer break15:24
madkHmmmmmmm15:24
madkInteresting15:24
madkSo something may be coming15:24
madkMaybe I should wait15:24
r0kk3rzwhether that also is announcing a phone, and what that phone looks like? who knows15:24
madkDoes everything run nicely on Jolla?15:25
madkI don't mind low specs as long as I don't notice lag etc15:25
r0kk3rzdepends on what you want to do with it15:25
r0kk3rzgenerally there is no lad15:25
r0kk3rz*lag15:25
madkSMS, email, internet browsing.15:25
madkNo games15:25
r0kk3rzthen the specs likely wont bother you at all15:26
madkOkay good15:26
madkI'll think about it more15:27
madkWhat about android apps15:27
madkI sometimes want to run a few.15:27
madkStrava mostly15:27
* madk currently has BB10 phone15:27
r0kk3rzthe android layer is currently best-in-class afaik15:27
r0kk3rzso much so that apparently the jolla guys received questions from mark shuttleworth at MWC about how it works15:28
madkWell, the BlackBerry 10 one can run every app I've tried at native speeds. Can even run native code15:28
madkNot sure if the Jolla one can do that15:28
r0kk3rzapparently the overhead is extremely small15:28
madkNative code though?15:29
r0kk3rzdefine native code?15:29
madkC++ android calls.15:29
madkNot just Java15:29
r0kk3rzyeah they work15:29
madkOkay cool!15:30
r0kk3rzi think15:30
madkThat's good news15:30
madkI'll buy one at the end of the month15:30
r0kk3rzin general the issue around things working or not is around connectivity restrictions put on alien-dalvik15:30
madkI also want to port a BB10 app I've made... But I hate using Qt Creator (and the simulator especially). Developing is the main reason I want the device.15:31
r0kk3rzlike apps that require broadcast packets on the wifi dont work, things like that15:31
madkHmm15:31
madkOkay15:31
madkWhat os version does it support?15:32
r0kk3rzit terms of development, qt5.2 is the api15:32
madkBB10 runs 4.315:32
r0kk3rznot sure tbh15:32
madkI know that. I've fiddled with it a bit... designing with Qt Creator is a pain15:32
madkAnyway!15:32
madkhas anyone ever tried running BBM for Android on it?15:32
r0kk3rzdesigning? like drag and drop UIs?15:32
madkr0kk3rz: no. just making the ui. Doesn't need to be drag and drop15:33
r0kk3rzsailfish uses qml15:33
madkI just wish it was easier to see what I've typed up. Like, what is this going to look like.15:33
madkI know15:33
madkThe design preview in Qt Creator makes no sense to me15:33
r0kk3rzive seen no need for any designers as such with qml, because its simple15:33
madkI use qml for my BB10 app15:33
madkThere's a 'design preview' window that shows exactly what your qml file will render as on-device15:34
madkI wish qt creator had that.15:34
madkoh well15:34
madkHaving a device and quick deployment will make me not mind15:34
r0kk3rzin theory you can run qmlscene for preview purposes15:35
r0kk3rzbut i just run on device15:35
r0kk3rznot the quickest workflow for minor not-sure-this-will-work tweaks, but functional15:35
madkYeah15:36
r0kk3rzbut yeah as far as a future device from jolla itself, i wouldnt expect to hear any word from them before the tablet is released15:38
r0kk3rzin approx 2 months or so15:38
r0kk3rzand even then, unlikely to be hot on the heels of the tablet anyway15:39
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r0kk3rzthere would probably be another indiegogo campaign, then the actual production and delivery. which is a minimum 6 months kind of timeframe if the tablet is anything to go by15:41
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r0kk3rzmaybe even longer due to higher regulatory certification on mobile phones rather than wifi-only tablets15:42
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madkYeah that's true16:04
madkOkay16:04
madkAwesome16:04
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