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rubdosQuestion about the 5V input for TOH: what are the tolerances on this 5V input voltage?06:39
rubdosEg., what happens if I overvolt that by 8mV?06:40
rubdos(gonna take a shower, I'll read it afterwards)06:40
tbrthe ToH devkit should hopefully cover this06:40
tbrI'd _expect_ it to be about the same range as the USB input06:41
tbrso probably something like 10%06:41
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Stskeepsmm, coffee on balcony, 24 C outside06:44
Stskeepsso good06:44
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jaacoppi10 C here and raining, I'm not going to the balcony06:46
kimmolirubdos: there is internal zener on the device, just dont go over 5.5 V or something06:54
rubdostbr, kimmoli, You seem to say the same. So overvolting by .08 is'nt really a problem... Great. :)06:55
kimmolinot a problem06:56
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rubdospoint is I'm building a buck converter, and I had to know how precise it should be. Quality versus cost and such :)06:56
kimmolicharging starts when it exceeds about 4.5V06:56
rubdosso I even have a volt covered... nice.06:56
kimmolithe current phone is drawing varies a little between 4.5 to 5.0 v, lower voltage, lower current. Also depends on your battery charge level06:58
rubdosNo problem. The attiny chip will monitor the thing using a PID controller06:59
kimmoliit has been a while since i tinkered with that input06:59
rubdosI once tried it when I was near a very stable 5V supply. Just tied two wires to it. That's all I've done since07:00
kimmoliyou can see the internal voltage A/D result with e.g. my app chargemon07:02
rubdoskimmoli, that's very useful! I'll certainly try that when I dare to connect my buck to my jolla haha :)07:03
kimmoliit can't be used as general multimeter as it shows ~0V when input < 4.x volts07:03
rubdoslol, that would have been too awesome07:05
tbrvoltage stability under load is important.07:05
tbrI've built a qi-toh (like many others) and noticed that with one pod it was very unreliable07:06
tbrturns out the power throughput wasn't sufficient and the voltage kept collapsing below threshold07:06
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tbrresulting in a constant *bing* *bing* *bing* from it switching on/off charging mode07:07
kimmoli:)07:07
kimmoliadjustable lab supply highly recommended to find stable operating point07:07
rubdostbr, what do you mean by "pod", the second inductor?07:07
tbrrubdos: the powered qi charging base07:08
rubdosoh okay. So moral of the story: do not buy cheap Qi charging base?07:08
tbror buy several clearly different ones or one that has been tested by someone else already07:09
rubdosI'll go with that last option haha :)07:10
tbrthe pod worked OK with the nexus7 2013 though. probably it was more forgiving and adapted to the lower throughput07:10
tbrdevices do that with usb charging to account for cable impedance and such. they will step through a power envelope to find an ideal operating point07:11
rubdosDid you design the qi toh entirely by youself^07:11
rubdos?*07:11
tbrboils down to "increase charge current until voltage starts to collapse, then take one or two steps back"07:12
tbrrubdos: I bought a pad for the galaxy-s2 (cheap because old) and scrubbed off the contact blocks, replacing them with copper tape to route tho appropriate location inside toh07:13
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rubdosOkay. I'm designing it from ground up atm. Most charging pads are Type-1 I think. Second type is more appropriate for Jolla, as it gives a more stable voltage.07:14
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KnofteIs there a chance to get google play to actually work on joll/sailfish? Most "good" and needed apps depend on that crap, and it crashes everytime an app is opened.. (like whatsapp, badoo, snapchat, wifi analyzer and so on)09:36
tadzikWorks for me09:36
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tadzikI installed it with the instructions on tjc09:38
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coderusKnofte: works for me09:57
coderushttps://together.jolla.com/question/30926/howto-install-google-play/09:57
r0kk3rzsame09:57
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KnofteSo developer mode is required to use an app available in the jollastore? And you still think this is an "actually working" solution/app? :)10:52
KnofteFeels like, if it needs workaround, it could use some fix.. :)10:52
Knoftejust imho ofcourse, this would solve the problem one guesses.10:52
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Knoftecoderus: thanks for the url though, will think about it for a while.10:56
tadzikIt's not available in the jolla store, what gave you that idea?10:59
r0kk3rzyou mean playstore not jollastore10:59
r0kk3rzand it will always be a workaround, and not a turnkey solution11:00
r0kk3rzbecause thats how google works11:00
tadzikJolla store gives you a perfectly fine android compatibility, but nowhere does it say it supports google play11:00
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Helleyup, because Google Play (Services) is Google's attempt to turn the open Android ecosystem back into a closed one....11:02
r0kk3rznot so much closed, just controlled11:03
r0kk3rzits harder to fork android and maintain compatibillity with all the GPS APIs11:03
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* pahartik purchased induction charging plate just yesterday, got it working fine with "Google Asus Nexus 7 [2013] LTE", plans to eventually charge "Jolla Mobile" with it as well11:15
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temmi_hoopahartik: you should be here eating waffles11:15
pahartiktemmi_hoo: At hackerspace of Helsinki, Finland?11:17
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temmi_hooyes11:18
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pahartiktemmi_hoo: Yes, I should have...11:22
temmi_hoofrom friday onwards we've had waffles, thai, waffles, sausage, waffles, pea soup, waffles, sausage, waffles and then some waffles11:24
temmi_hoopour some beer and sauna in between11:24
falfasounds more like a hackerfood than a hackerspace?11:25
temmi_hoowe're having a social get together of all finnish hacklabs11:26
temmi_hooso we've got geeks laptops robots etc the usual11:26
pahartiktemmi_hoo: I was slightly planning to get "Samsung ChromeBook (Exynos ARM)" workstation and then spend weekend over there setting up "Debian GNU/Linux" on it11:27
temmi_hooyou totally should have done so11:28
pahartiktemmi_hoo: It seems local stores do not currently have those, so plan failed completely11:28
temmi_hoopahartik: well then, two free and empty hands for waffles and beer11:29
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pahartiktemmi_hoo: Also, only managed to check out site describing that event on friday... It had all that stuff about signing up for event in advance...11:39
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temmi_hoomain idea for that was for friday dinner buffet we can have some idea on how many people what when11:41
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taaeemHey guys does anybody know or can check if there is an native Flickr or tumblr client in the harbour?12:01
skvarkdid a quick search and seems that there isn't12:05
taaeemOkay thanks .)12:05
PeperJohnnyhttps://openrepos.net/content/marco73f/jockr12:07
PeperJohnnyHowever I have no experience with it12:07
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Knoftetemmi_hoo: and pics of hackspace yet?12:36
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coderusKnofte: for app available in jollastore? what you mean? any app in jollastore requires google services? That is impossible.13:38
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temmi_hooKnofte: https://www.flickr.com/photos/helsinkihacklab/13:57
temmi_hoowe have a camera that sends everything to flickr13:58
temmi_hoonot a jolla thing though, just eye-fi card in a normal olympus camera13:58
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citylight2can anyone help me subscribe to a dbus object using python?14:19
citylight2I seek to subscribe to connman14:20
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chem|stcitylight2: https://wiki.python.org/moin/DbusExamples14:27
citylight2thanks mate14:27
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chem|stcitylight2: are you looking for connectivty change?14:28
citylight2yes I am14:29
citylight2!14:29
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chem|stisn't that what statefs is for?14:34
chem|styou want to know if online or offline right?14:34
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citylight2yes14:41
citylight2I actually want to run some action, in case I am offline14:42
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