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tadzikwow, I just saw a screenshot of a terminal.keyboard on N9: talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=37203&stc=1&d=143370255401:38
tadzikLooks so much more convenient than the one fingerterm has01:38
tadzikOr rather: since it's the system keyboard it probably doesn't lose keypresses like fingerterm does (for me)01:39
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MikaelaI just learned that Microsoft Lumia 435 does IPv6 tethering and Jolla/Sailfish doesn't D:06:13
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phlixitalking about tethering...06:19
phlixi...do you know what i can do in order to not have a different ip each time?06:20
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phlixion a first glance it seems to be 17216.x.1 where x is random (allthough usually a low number)06:22
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phlixi172.16.x.1 i meant06:23
phlixibut then suddenly it is 172.28.172.106:23
phlixiis there a config for that?06:24
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phlixinvm https://together.jolla.com/question/88940/static-tethering-ip/06:38
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narchieso why the hell doesn't even facebook contact import work anymore?07:21
narchieplease07:21
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phlixinarchie: there is something in the release notes aboutit07:23
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Mikaelabecause Facebook killed that API07:27
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narchieperfect, so another 6 months until we can get a new patch07:28
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tadzikHooray facebook07:32
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Stskeepsmorn SfietKonstantinW07:49
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SfietKonstantinWhi Stskeeps07:52
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tiwakehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4hs7vW8SV008:47
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Nicd-https://together.jolla.com/question/95124/release-notes-116aaslakkajarvi/09:43
Nicd-UPDATE TIEM09:43
Shinryuu:O09:43
Nicd-"Ability to select and mark multiple emails as read/unread" yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssss09:43
ppyay09:43
citylight2email search!09:44
ggabrielthat was fast09:44
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citylight2when?09:45
ggabrielnow09:46
citylight2I am so happy now09:47
citylight2music, lights, dancing09:47
SceltBadger is dead. Long live the Badger!09:48
tadzikAre there custom Trash folders too?09:48
Shinryuudo I have to attend a early access list or something? I attented in some in the past09:49
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citylight2o, how to have my camera files, rsynced automaticly to my owncloud?09:51
Nicd-installing...09:51
Shinryuuguess I'll test something ->09:52
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citylight2and now I only need search in a webpage09:55
citylight2and an extra battery09:55
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ilpianistaupdate! update! updateeeeeeeee aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah10:09
* ilpianista sorry, couldn't resist10:09
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TemeV must... resist...10:09
citylight2WORKS!10:10
citylight2after I remove the bluetooth feom the settings main menu , How to restore it?10:12
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Nicd-citylight2: long press on it in settings -> system10:15
Nicd-add to favorites10:15
citylight2yes, but then it doesn't have a light above it , as it used to have10:15
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Nicd-then long press the toggle in that page10:15
chem|stilpianista: RC RC RC....10:16
citylight2wait , I can search a web page!10:16
ilpianistachem|st, I trust them :-)10:16
narchieso is btree broken again10:16
narchiebalancing was too hard10:17
citylight2Nicd-: long press opens the Remove from favorites10:17
narchieor can I update without fear10:17
chem|stcitylight2: owncloud app from store + upload daemon from openrepos does auto picture upload10:17
chem|stilpianista: after the last, really?10:17
Nicd-citylight2: long press where?10:17
citylight2long press on the blouthooth icon10:17
Nicd-narchie: it autobalances once per week now10:17
Nicd-citylight2: where?10:17
narchiewow impressed10:17
Aciidnarchie: i can send you a sickass no-fear TM sticker if you are afraid to update http://sassystickers.com/images/no-fear-sticker.jpg10:18
chem|stcitylight2: longpress ins System -> Bluetooth -> BT toggle10:18
Aciidi got a bunch of them from pre-school10:18
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citylight2chem|st: no app called uploader/uploader deamon in openropo10:19
narchiedoes this new update have direct FSB api?10:19
chem|stcitylight2: lol10:19
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chem|stcitylight2: search for owncloud10:19
narchiekremlin as a service10:19
chem|stcitylight2: do I really take your hand for that?10:19
Aciidnarchie: yes you need to type 951945 in the dialer app10:20
narchieok Aciid does that call putin10:20
ilpianistachem|st, last didn't broke anything for me10:20
chem|stnarchie: no it attaches your phone as zombie device to FSB10:20
citylight2o ok owncloud photo backup deamon10:20
Nicd-why the trolling?10:20
citylight2did not see it in the past10:20
chem|stilpianista: you did not read together did you?10:20
ilpianistaI do10:20
ilpianistabut I don't install stuff from openrepos...10:21
ilpianistaand these decrease the chance of issues IMHO10:21
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citylight2chem|st: yesterday I asked about connmn: answer is: test/monitor-connman , so easy10:21
chem|stwhile that is true, also people without openrepos had issues, it was not only that addresshook thing that screwed things over10:21
citylight2ok, as so many developers are here, let me ask this:10:22
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chem|stcitylight2: go to #sailfishos10:22
citylight2How can I setup a chore that will run in 10 min?10:22
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citylight2so I can check when is my next appointment in the calender and call a method to run then10:23
citylight2I understand that when the OS sleeps , nothing is running10:23
chem|st-> #sailfishos10:24
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citylight2ok10:27
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Jonnicitylight2: if your device is connected to cherger clock is still running in background, its only stopping the clock when unplugged and suspended.10:42
Jonniand there is heartbeat library that can be used for timed wakeups even if device is suspended.10:44
Jonnicherger=charger10:44
stephgoo update10:45
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Tofebye bye uptime...10:49
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TofeFlawless update, once more.11:07
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narchieeah like last time11:13
narchiealmost bricked the device11:13
narchiegood one11:13
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chem|stTofe: in the dev chan we have the first blackscreen of death...11:57
citylight2chem|st: help with owncloud it refuses to log on to my https12:01
citylight2it worked with my http....12:01
chem|stcitylight2: open browser page to get the cert12:04
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chem|stthe checkbox "ignore cert errors" seems to be for errors only but not for untrusted certs12:04
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citylight2chem|st: thanks, this comment should appear in the program IMHO12:11
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citylight2I do get a view showing me the site signature and I did accept, yet I get an error12:11
citylight2I now ignored the cert errors in the browser, and it still refuses to work12:12
citylight2i close the browser and the owncloud client12:12
chem|stcitylight2: there should be no such thing as "untrusted certs" but a notification "why" it is failing would be nice though12:12
citylight2I then start the broweser and surf to my owncloud https, it opens fine as I accepted the cert allready12:13
chem|stcitylight2: then I don't know... that was the only issue I had12:13
citylight2I then ope the owncloud client, and click continue12:13
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chem|sttry setting up a new account12:16
Tofechem|st: yeah, but I have a quite mainstream usage of my Jolla: no patches, no hooks, maybe just one little app from warehouse, so I don't tinker that much12:17
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chem|stTofe: good for you, people without openrepos had issues with installing 1.1.4 though12:18
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TofeThough I'm not The First One, I might be The Lucky One :) No factory reset since dec'13 !12:24
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ggabrieli hope you find excitement in your life some other way, Tofe ;)12:25
TofeOh, yes, I sure don't need that to enjoy the day :p12:26
TofeThe only thing I'm always worried about is if my modification of the alien script to mount my btrfs sdcard on home will be a problem. But so far, so good.12:29
TofeMakes me think, maybe it has resetted it...12:30
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ggabrieluhm... mine is ext412:33
ggabrieli couldn't be asked to format it btrfs as it wouldn't let me12:33
ggabrielso now it's ext4 :P12:34
ggabrieli'll def format the tablet one btrfs, when it arrives12:34
ggabrielsoon* ;)12:34
Tofewow, my alien.sh script is untouch! cool. At, I hope it's cool.12:35
Tofe+least12:35
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Tofechem|st: for MTP and btrfs volume shared with android, it's specific to 1.1.4 ?12:36
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Tofechem|st: I think I still can access my Jolla via MTP... Maybe we aren't talking about the same bug?12:39
chem|stTofe: yeah same changes and as long as they do not change anything it is untouched, for some reason I have no MTP at all while the subvol is mounted12:41
Tofeah maybe my subvolume isn't mounted yet, let me start some android app12:42
chem|stggabriel: tablet does not use btrfs, it will get LVM/ext (not an official statement but that is what you can read from the git commits)12:43
Tofechem|st: with Nokia Here started, I unplugged usb cacle and replugged, select desktop mode, and my Windows7 detects and browses the device.12:45
Tofecable*12:45
chem|stif you know how to handle LVM you can just add the uSD as extention of internal user storage (never add it as system storage! unless we get a flasher+images!)12:45
chem|stTofe: don't know if it works once it is exported correctly, reading: if you reboot start alien and then trigger MTP you might have another result12:46
Tofeah yes, maybe12:47
chem|stnever tried to MTP "before" alien was started12:49
TofeNeither did I, I think. Well, as I often reboot my device once per month, the current status if ok for me12:50
Tofeis*12:50
chem|stTofe: and you do not need to be concerned about altering alien stuff btw, as long as you follow my instructions and do not try anything funky before I update the together... I am willing to test everything and update the together with my findings, I will also tell if something is broken12:51
chem|stTofe: I reboot intentionally on upgrades12:52
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chem|stso my longest uptime is the time between upgrades12:52
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chem|stthere were releases freezing the device though, but usually a kick in lipstick's face did recover it12:53
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Tofechem|st: don't worry, this is my main daily phone, I'm very careful when I modify system things. I usually understands what I'm doing, otherwise I don't do it :)12:53
chem|stTofe: that is the right approach12:53
chem|stI am still to lazy to provide a script for all this but well that keeps b00ns away12:54
chem|stfearless n00bs are still available though12:55
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TofeProviding steps is better, imho. The person who hits "Enter" feels more responsible for what happens.12:56
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vrutkovscoderus: ping. Any chance you have a link to your jolla developing videos nearby?12:59
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coderusvrutkovs: youtube.com/icoderus13:05
coderusvrutkovs: but what is evaluate?13:05
coderusnever seen that in qml13:05
vrutkovscoderus: no idea, all I've googled was some QT bug. So now I have to use 'console.log' like its 199513:06
vrutkovscoderus: thanks for the link though13:06
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coderusvrutkovs: well, if you don't know, i have no idea about your error too :13:08
coderus:)13:08
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chem|stlol battery drain report minutes after an upgrade13:47
Teme:D13:48
ggabrielthat's very useful, I have an ashtray in my motorcycle which is as useful13:48
chem|sthow about: "you had the screen more active to see what is new and probably trackerd did rescan the FS and stuff"13:48
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chem|stggabriel: for the sake of the power-plug maybe?13:49
ggabrielerm, no, just the ashtray13:49
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chem|stlol ok that is indeed useful!13:51
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TMavicaAny file downloaded, it show “!" in event view??14:02
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stephgwhat's the state of FB integration in 1.1.6 btw? I read in the release notes that FB had approved the implimentation but the chat is still missing?15:03
stephg(or was this not chat but contacts first etc)15:03
SfietKonstantinWstephg: forget about the chat :(15:03
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stephgshame SfietKonstantinW15:04
stephgI take it Friends is still b0rked too?15:04
ggabrielerm... fb chat works with xmpp fwiw15:05
ggabriel(still)15:05
ggabrielit doesn't support history or offline messages, but it works significantly better than gtalk15:06
Nicd-unofficially15:06
ggabrielwell, they didn't get rid of it yet15:06
SfietKonstantinWstephg: Friends have a LONG way to go15:08
SfietKonstantinWggabriel: still working ? won't it be shut down soon ?15:08
Mikaelait was supposed to shut down ages ago, but still seems to work with bitlbee15:08
Mikaelawhich also has support for fb's own protocol in more recent version15:09
SfietKonstantinWMikaela: any source for bitlbee ?15:09
Mikaelait's FOSS, but I am not sure where the source lives15:09
locusfhttps://github.com/jgeboski/bitlbee-facebook15:10
Mikaelaoh https://github.com/bitlbee/bitlbee15:10
locusfheh, bitlbee still has msn15:11
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ggabrielSfietKonstantinW: dunno, it beats me, i was ready to use the web ui but xmpp still works so...15:14
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ggabrielSfietKonstantinW: also, they'll be shut down #soon ;-)15:23
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SfietKonstantinWthx locusf15:44
locusfSfietKonstantinW: its not 100%, misses some messages like images and links but text works 99% of the time15:46
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raa700_99% of the time it works every time17:24
cb400f:-)17:26
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RaYmAnSo, I gotta ask. Why have none of the Jolla tablet blogposts been posted as updates on indiegogo?18:21
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Tegureally? sound a bit odd18:22
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Tegumaybe they forgot about gogos after monies and since the posted on their blog anyway18:23
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* Stskeeps goes ask18:24
RaYmAnI just checked and there isn't even an update about the shipping date slipping a few months.18:24
Stskeeps(might take a while to get an answer)18:24
Stskeepsthought the shipping date got mailed out18:24
RaYmAnit might have - I couldn't find it in my emails right now, but I'm probably just searching badly =P18:25
RaYmAnStill though, the 'crowdfunding way' is to keep backers updated on the platform which they backed on :)18:25
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Stskeepsnod18:26
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raa700_"dropped" my jolla in waste oil bucket while changing oil to a motorcycle on weekend... seems to be working fine20:44
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raa700_hopefully the plastics won't mind about CRC precision cleaner20:47
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r0kk3rzmmmm used engine oil20:55
r0kk3rznice20:55
TemeVold engine oil is quite good iirc20:55
TemeVhttp://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/323/875/20:56
r0kk3rzhaha20:56
r0kk3rzwonder what it tastes like20:56
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raa700_once you go black you never go back21:01
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chem|straa700_: that was women...21:12
chem|stnot beer21:12
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raa700_all the same, as long as theyre cold and open on the table21:13
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