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fluxis it just me.. or does the calendar sync from owncloud->jolla actually work now without messing up the times?-) (I'm not running the limited distribution update)08:43
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chem|stAciid: it shipped in may09:29
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fluxlipevakala, well, those two things go hand-to-hand :)09:40
chem|stLipevakala: subjectively related to 1.1.7.2409:41
chem|stLipevakala: it is like "1.1.x.x messed up my media library", no it did not, the upgrade process probably failed to recover tracker db properly, we have had that with all 15 upgrades...09:42
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r0kk3rzyeah im not sure why they dont just drop and rebuild the tracker db as part of the process09:46
chem|str0kk3rz: never checked, maybe doing that is the problem?!09:47
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r0kk3rzunlikely, because thats what fixes it for me09:49
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chem|stmissing items in the db usually means it failed to rebuild, if it would not update anything nothing would go missing...09:54
chem|st"for me" is exactly the point, sometimes no trackerd -se does help it, you need to stop trackerd, delete the db files by hand and start tracker again as something in between hung09:55
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deryoYeah, another spam attack at TJC... going on right now.10:24
* tbr checks10:24
deryoWell, more like a garbage attack :D10:25
tbruser killed10:25
tbrcleanup will take a bit10:25
deryotbr: thanks10:25
tbrthere are some other suspicuous looking new accounts, but no postings. will keep an eye on it.10:26
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coderusanybody from harbour qa here?10:27
flux[crap] [crap] [crap] [crap] "Spam prevention at TJC" [crap] [crap] [crap]  ;)10:28
coderusi need to disable flattr links in harbour for my applications as soon as possible.10:30
fluxcoderus, how come? legal ramifications?10:31
fluxthe TJC spam attack isn't much of an attack given the number of users and the rate of messages flowing in..10:31
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deryoI guess the spam rate is this low on purpose so you won't notice it's spam at once. It's intended to appear as just another normal post. Also the catchy titles, e.g. '????[????]?O1O?3O57?7112??????????' are real-wold examples of typical TJC questions.10:35
Liekeno utf8?10:38
coderusflux: i can't withdraw it in my country10:39
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fluxcoderus, that's quite unfortunate10:39
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coderusi expected this, but users asked me to enable flattr10:41
r0kk3rzdisabling the links wont help the people that have already flattrd though10:53
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cybrNautwhy does this channel coexist with #SailFish?  Aren't they the same?10:57
chem|stcoderus: any way to BTC flattr?10:57
chem|stcybrNaut: this is the official jolla channel so is #sailfishos, jolla is the company sailfish the os10:58
cybrNautchem|st: in that case, i guess i'm surprised there is more interest in the company than the OS, judging from the channel counts11:00
chem|stand #sailfish has probably been registered to have it registered by jolla11:00
Nicd-chem|st: this is not an official channel though :P11:01
chem|stcybrNaut: #sailfishos is devel11:01
chem|stNicd-: more or less11:01
cybrNautah, ok11:01
chem|stcybrNaut: no clue what is talked in #sailfish though11:02
chem|stcybrNaut: this channel is more the general chat11:02
cybrNautchem|st: then i'm in the right place11:02
chem|stStskeeps: waht is #sailfish for?11:03
tbrcybrNaut: #sailfish was meant to be redirected permanently to #sailfishos - but somehow it always resets and then people end up idling there11:03
cybrNauti was just wondering if sailfish is more or less proprietary than Android11:03
chem|sttbr: ta11:03
tbrcybrNaut: it's differently so11:03
cybrNautand I was wondering if Yotahone is switching to sailfish, in the end11:03
r0kk3rznobody knows the answer to that one11:04
tbrtheir official statement after the yahoo news piece was "nope"11:04
tbrthe only confirmed company is intex11:04
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krososhello. anybody else experiencing a no longer waking up jolla phone after having tapped the "start optimization" button for the (current?dev?) upgrade?11:56
citylight2 hay, can I use pulse audio to play music from my laptop to my jolla over the lan?12:03
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pdanekAny news about new Sailfish phone since MWC?12:23
coderuschem|st: no BTC in russia :D12:28
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chem|stcoderus: what do you have?12:29
chem|stpdanek: which one? shanghai or barcelona?12:30
pdanekShanghai12:31
coderuschem|st: paypal, qiwi, yandex money12:32
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chem|stpdanek: new press releases every 7 days?12:36
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pdanekchem|st:  what? where?12:41
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ayriedate13:13
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parasemicso, my jolla bricked suddenly13:35
parasemichow long was the warranty?13:35
tbrdepends on who from and how you bought it13:36
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parasemicstraight from jolla from the crowdfunding campaign13:39
tbrpersonal pickup on first day or delivery13:40
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parasemicpersonal pickup13:41
tbrthen you should check the receipt, but IIRC it was DNA13:41
parasemicthank god you dont need a receipt in finland13:42
tbr2 years statuory EU warranty (6/18 month split for burden of proof), etc, etc13:42
tbrno, but the receipt will state your contractual party for the sale13:42
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parasemicis there anything i can try at home to fix the phone13:43
parasemicit suddenly turned off with 90% battery and wont turn back on13:43
parasemicloops a bit after jolla logo and then goes dead13:43
tbrremove the battery, clean the contacts13:43
tbrthat's not "won't turn on"...13:44
parasemicwell, it wont boot13:44
tbrthen it's off to recovery menu13:44
parasemichow?13:44
raimuehttps://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/20470960713:44
tbrthere you go13:44
parasemicty13:45
tbrgood news: the phone hardware is probably just fine13:45
parasemici was thinking it's moisture damage13:45
tbras opposed to "won't turn on at all"13:45
tbrwhat makes you think so?13:45
parasemici may have been out partying and sweating like a pig when it shut down13:45
tbrah13:45
parasemicthought its been through similar conditions times and times again without issues13:46
parasemici guess ill find out13:46
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parasemichmm, it seems to boot into recovery mode13:51
parasemicso im thinking the lock screen media controls patch broke it13:52
r0kk3rzparasemic: how so/13:52
parasemicits been bugging a lot13:52
parasemicafter patching it up, it started to kill the interface (freeze, black screen with red led blinking and turning back on after 10-20 blinks or so)13:53
parasemicreinstalled cutespot which seemed to fix the issue, but it still bugged out once in a while13:53
r0kk3rzsounds like you should talk to coderus13:53
parasemicyea13:53
parasemicill see about that later today, i gtg now13:54
parasemicty for help13:54
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parasemicis there a way to skip the tutorial?15:46
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locusftap on corners clockwise15:49
locusfstart from top left15:49
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parasemicah, ty15:54
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tiwakestill no reply from jolla16:10
Coolgeekon sunday, seems logic16:13
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tiwakewell sure :P16:14
tiwakeits been a few business days though16:14
rszhow to convert true type font files to jolla installers?16:15
tiwakeit might take a while I suppose for the question to make it to the right set of people16:15
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parasemicwhat is the latest SFOS version?16:27
r0kk3rz1.1.6/1.1.7 depending16:28
parasemicdepending on early access?16:28
r0kk3rzyeah16:29
r0kk3rz1.1.7 should be released sometime this week so long everything is going ok16:29
r0kk3rzto everyone that is16:29
fluxseems like it is going ok?16:30
Nicd-this week?16:30
Nicd-as in the next few hours? :D16:30
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parasemicsome strange people concider sunday the first day of the week16:31
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r0kk3rznot to mention the inexact parlance of 'this' and 'next' when referring to weeks16:33
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parasemicuhm, what was the directory for backups? i have a tarred backup but cant remember where to untar it17:05
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parasemicnvm found it17:17
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krososwell, being evening i ask again, did the recent dev release bork the phone for anyone else? it wasn't the upgrade itself for me, it was just tapping the "start optimizing" dialogue19:19
Stskeepsmay be that your filesystem was already too far gone19:20
krososparasemic or me?19:22
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Stskeepsyou19:23
krososhm.19:23
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krososso reset to the original image is the only optiuon it seems19:24
arvuthi, sending files over bluetooth, how?19:24
Stskeepswhen i'm back from my holiday i think i'll see what we can do to simply lvm-ext4-ify the jolla1.19:24
Stskeepsbtrfs is such a pita19:24
arvutfrom media library etc etc19:24
krososbtrfs can be a pain.. when it breaks, it breaks for good and gone most of the time.19:25
Stskeepsat least with ext4 the cracks start to appear visibly :p19:26
Coolgeekwhy choosing btrfs for jolla ?19:26
Stskeepsit seemed like a good idea at the time.19:27
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Stskeepstablet looks like it'll have lvm+ext4 instead19:27
Coolgeekhmm, why lvm ?19:27
Stskeepsvarious good reasons19:27
Stskeeps(i don't know offhand)19:28
Coolgeekok :)19:28
Coolgeekjust being curious :p19:28
r0kk3rzbecause you can snapshot it like btrfs19:28
r0kk3rzafaik19:29
Coolgeekhmm, ok19:30
Coolgeeksnapshot just before an upgrade ?19:30
chem|stCoolgeek: more revert snapshot when doing factory reset19:31
chem|sts/revert/restore/19:31
Coolgeekhmmm19:31
chem|stthat is how snapshots are used atm19:31
r0kk3rzbut i dont see how you could even begin to roll out a filesystem change in an OTA update19:31
r0kk3rzunless you pull some serious voodoo19:31
krososyes...19:32
Coolgeekjuste making guess19:32
chem|str0kk3rz: no need for serious vodoo19:32
chem|stit might be easiest to do it with a factory reset though19:33
chem|stand for now it is not planned to get the phone to lvm19:33
chem|stafaik19:33
r0kk3rz[20:24]Stskeepswhen i'm back from my holiday i think i'll see what we can do to simply lvm-ext4-ify the jolla1.19:34
r0kk3rzproper hatian voodoo, none of this hollywood nonsense19:34
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Stskeepsr0kk3rz: it may include an external sd card..19:35
Stskeeps:P19:35
Venemo_jlol19:35
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r0kk3rzthats all well and good, but that just means not everyone is going to be off btrfs19:36
chem|str0kk3rz: planned and what Stskeeps is doing are two very different things!19:37
r0kk3rzand you'll still have to deal with it19:37
Stskeepsyeah.. it's not the most reliable procedure19:37
r0kk3rzchem|st: obviously, before plan you must experiment19:37
chem|str0kk3rz: captain?19:39
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r0kk3rzunless you want to mail pre-programmed 32gb sdcards to everyone Stskeeps19:41
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arvutso, any of u know how to send files via bt (anything, not just pics) from one jolla to another?19:43
r0kk3rzarvut: documents can do it19:51
HarhaanJohtajaFileCase from Openrepos might be one19:52
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HarhaanJohtajaBut can Jolla receive just some filetypes via bt?19:54
arvutdocuments has no browsing option19:54
HarhaanJohtajatry FileCase19:55
arvutsure19:55
arvutdo I need to add this open repo to store or is it in android apps?19:57
HarhaanJohtajahttps://openrepos.net/content/cepiperez/filecase-019:57
arvutdoes the jolla store use .rpm's?20:00
HarhaanJohtajai guess so20:03
arvutoh well, sisters phone dying, its my hotspot, catch u l8r20:03
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KnofteSnapchat wont work without google play, and that doesnt seem to work, without a hack.. any hints?20:23
trulsits an easy hack that works tho20:24
trulshttps://together.jolla.com/question/30926/howto-install-google-play/20:25
Knofte19 steps is "an easy hack" ?20:25
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Knoftethe whole "warranty void" is a bit messy as "solution" :)20:29
trulsi got a new phone on warranty with google play installed, but it wasnt remotely related issue tho20:30
chem|stKnofte: if you feel uncomfortable with going the full length to get gservices installed, maybe selling you soul isn't worth it anyway?20:31
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chem|stKnofte: and the "old" howtos look much simpler to me, never done 19 steps, I downloaded gapps for 4.2.2 pulled the system folder over and installed 2 apks... does not sound like 19 steps to me20:33
Knoftechem|st: no, yhat sounds easier =)20:34
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chem|sta step by step instruction will always look like 19 steps... including but not limited to downloading, extracting and changing directories...20:36
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KnofteAnd that will be possible to update this version of gplay since it's very old?20:42
Knofteor will that install the broken package again?20:42
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Knoftei never understood why gplay would need access to calls and sms though.. anyways, it looks fine now actually, just need to see if it works after upgrade..20:43
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chem|stKnofte: it should upgrade just fine20:43
Knoftechem|st: giving it a go =)20:45
Knoftewell, nothing really happens after clicking 'update'. Let's wait and see..20:46
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KnofteEiterhw ay, the appdevels need a bomb on twitter to make it native for sailfish anyways.. done*20:49
Knoftewell, chem|st phone freezes as soon as clicking 'accept' on google update.20:52
Knofteerr, app freezes, not phone.20:52
r0kk3rzwe may see a first-partyish spotify app soon20:52
r0kk3rzkinda third-party but made by a spotify developer20:53
KnofteHmm, i know the CTO, do you want a native perhaps?21:01
r0kk3rztell the cto to let his developer release his app as proper21:02
r0kk3rzbut i suspect said cto already knows about it21:02
chem|stKnofte: not updating is another issue, maybe uninstall and install again?21:02
Knofter0kk3rz: done, publically.21:03
chem|stI have zero gplay apps not updating21:03
chem|str0kk3rz: who needs spotify?21:03
r0kk3rznot me21:03
trulstruckers with 4g and bluetooth audio21:03
truls<-21:03
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r0kk3rzi wrote my own music app21:04
chem|sttruls: how about a radio?21:04
r0kk3rzbut people seem to like it21:04
Knoftechem|st: nah, gplay it self needed updating, not apps.21:04
trulsradio coverage is poorer than 4g coverage in my part of the world, and radio only plays shit21:04
chem|stKnofte: that is up to date for me, once it needed a couple of attempts to do so as the dl failed21:04
KnofteBut ah reboot solved it.21:05
Knofteyeah, mine didnt even change to download screen, just froze.21:05
chem|sttruls: better 4g than radio? where do you live?21:05
Knoftebut now it looks ok.21:05
trulschem|st: west-coast of norway21:05
chem|stKnofte: f-droid seems to crash every time I update it... just seems21:06
trulslots of fjords and mountains and tunnels21:06
Siddesame here acctually21:06
Knoftechem|st: noted :)21:06
Siddebetter 4g than VHF21:06
SiddeNorrland in Sweden here21:06
chem|stso they manage to get good 4g coverage? but emergency services like plain radio does not work?21:07
Siddei'm a sailor, we normally use mobile phone instead of vhf when we race21:07
chem|stSidde: talked about that lately... and it is the most stupid I ever heard about sailing!21:07
trulsi was about to say "using vhf as an example? i guess youre a fisherman"21:07
Siddechem|st: :D21:08
trulschem|st: yes, as theres big competition on the cellular networks between two companies that compete in coverage21:08
Siddethe best is the 450mhz network21:08
chem|stno I am a sailor, with a decent mp3 database, I will never rely on streaming for good music!21:08
Sidde8mbit of broadband more or less on the entire bothnian sea21:09
Siddeall the way over to finland21:09
chem|stwhile that is nice, I will rip you in pieces when you do not respond to my distress call and I make it back shore! ;)21:10
Siddeway better than the vhf radio that only travels to places on your horizon21:10
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Siddechem|st: i use local music on the boat, or normal rm radio21:11
Siddeand i don't have any vhf license, so i wont answer :D21:11
chem|stSidde: I mean the gsm for ship2ship conversations21:11
chem|stSidde: NC flags up... hope that is enough of a call21:12
Siddeit would be good to have vhf and i'm planning to take a certificate, but it's pretty useless21:14
Siddebecause of the license, none is using it for ship2ship21:14
Siddeand with no marinas using it, it has very litte function outside ship2ship21:15
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kidy21:24
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kid#err21:24
chem|stvhf is a must have I think, just like any other emergency stuff21:24
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chem|stand the license is like 60eur...21:25
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arvuthi again, how do I install software from open repos?22:43
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M4rtinKarvut: install the Warehouse Open Repos client22:48
arvutalright22:48
M4rtinKarvut: see https://together.jolla.com/question/28743/solvedhow-to-install-warehouse/22:48
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arvuti can do it with terminal too, can't I?22:54
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chem|starvut: openrepos is each developer has an own repo, you need to add each repo by hand if you want to stick to terminal23:22
arvutah, like the old days of ubuntu23:24
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chem|stmore like current days of slackware23:27
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krososwhat's the card used by jolla phone for the ethernet (having issues with configuring my kernel right to get my gnu/linux gentoo computer get the USB IP working with the jolla)?23:42
M4rtinKOpen Repos it's actually quite close to how Ubuntu PPAs or Fedoras COPR work :)23:47
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M4rtinKwell, minus building the packages from source23:47
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