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zett_zelettOk, about the whole battery issue: What do I do if my battery fails after a year or so? Sit there and cry?08:17
PeperJohnnythere is someone who tried the htc desire 310 battery i think08:18
tbrthere are known working replacements08:18
PeperJohnnyHe said that it's working without problems08:18
zett_zelettOh, ok.08:18
Stskeepsthe devil about batteries is that shit first shows up after longtime use08:19
PeperJohnnyhttps://together.jolla.com/question/65826/compatible-spare-battery/08:19
Stskeeps:P08:19
PeperJohnnythe second answer08:19
tbrit's more likely you'll run into the contact problem. which is likely oxide buildup. easily fixed by carfully cleaning both battery and phone side contacts.08:19
* Stskeeps needs to do that with his wife's device08:20
Stskeeps(yes, sometimes device problems hits home too..08:20
PeperJohnnyimpossible! :D08:20
zett_zelettThanks. Another thing: How bad is the display issue? What does it take for the screen to become unreadable? Bright day or direct sunlight?08:22
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Yanieldirect sunlight08:23
Yanielit is hard to read on bright days but doable08:23
JMS_jollaHi all, before I jump and buy the phone.. after a few tests (mako), this is simply the most beautiful os I have ever tried08:24
JMS_jollacould anyone try a test of an android app for me before I jump?08:24
JMS_jollaI know it is a little rude08:25
StskeepsJMS_jolla: can always ask :)08:25
PeperJohnnyWell what's the app`08:26
PeperJohnny?08:26
JMS_jollawifi calling is a must for me, rural area...08:26
JMS_jollathree in touch (UK) app needs to run for me08:26
Stskeepsdoesn't that require a subscription to test it in practice?08:26
JMS_jollabuying an Ubuntu touch phone has skinted me... but I neeeeed Jolla, it is amazing08:27
Stskeepsyou can try to ask on together.jolla.com08:27
Stskeepsas well, for people who are also on 308:27
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JMS_jollathnks anyway, I'll keep on searching :/... I had to ask08:28
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Pawky|2WTF is this? with the new release 1.1.7.27 the OS seems to ask my carrier wether bluetooth tethering is supported, ending up telling me it isn't disabling the very feature I am using daily! Why on earth has Jolla done this change, who on earth wants it?08:42
Pawky|2And most importantly, how do I get my bluetooth tethering working again?08:42
StskeepsPawky|2: that doesn't sound like something we've implemented?08:42
Stskeepsbecause bluetooth tethering was not implemented in OS before..?08:43
Pawky|2But I can clearly see, when choosing bluetooth tethering it connects to the carrier, gets the answer unsupported08:43
tadzikWhy do you think that it's asking your carrier08:43
tadzikOh08:43
Pawky|2Stskeeps: ehh.. I have been using it daily for a few months now, until upgrading08:43
Stskeepsactually, i don't even think bluetooth tethering is in the UI?08:44
Pawky|2tadzik: you can see it communicating with the carrier....08:44
* Stskeeps gets his phone08:44
Pawky|2I am using the jolla tethering app....08:45
StskeepsPawky|2: i don't have an option for bluetooth tethering on my phone?08:45
Stskeepswhat jolla tethering app?08:45
Stskeepsthink that's 3rd party08:45
Pawky|2hmmm....08:45
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Pawky|2Stskeeps: I thought it wasn't.... its a true sailfish app at least08:46
kjetilhostill, Bluetooth tethering is an essential feature08:46
Pawky|2so, it must be some changes in the last os making the app not understanding bluetooth tethering is possible...08:47
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Pawky|2could it be the... bluetooth... what its called... for bluetooth isnt enabled ?08:47
Pawky|2gosh, whats it called08:47
Pawky|2protocol08:48
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Pawky|2is there a way to get it working with hciconfig or something?08:50
Pawky|2kjetilho: I presume thats what we soon to be tablet owners will use daily as the tablet has no sim card feture (strangely as its made by a phone company)...08:51
StskeepsPawky|2: give me the exact string / error it uses?08:52
Pawky|2Stskeeps: well... its the only internet connection I have at the moment... that would mean disconnecting...  :-/08:53
StskeepsPawky|2: let's figure it out, since you went 'wtf' about it08:53
Pawky|2But I believe it might all be about configuring that hci stuf08:53
Pawky|2Stskeeps: ok..  i can do that... but lets first figure out wether the tethering softy is 3rd party, right?08:54
Stskeepsi'm almost 100% sure it's 3rd party08:54
Stskeepswe have 'internet sharing' in settings08:54
Stskeepswhy have another app?08:54
Pawky|2Stskeeps: ok... for bluetooth?08:54
Stskeepswe don't have bluetooth tethering in UI since 1) we never implemented a UI for it and 2) never certified that part of the bluetooth capabilities08:54
Stskeepsit should still work though08:55
Pawky|2Stskeeps: thus, I need  a third party to have a gui for enabling it, right?08:55
Pawky|2(app)08:55
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Stskeepsyes08:57
Pawky|2Then, I presume that app asks what protocls are defined locally08:58
Stskeepswell, i don't know what the app does08:58
Pawky|2and doesnt find the one making bluetooth tethering a possibility.08:58
Stskeepsbut i don't see any changes in the git repositories that would cause this08:58
Stskeepsremember that tethering will open a gprs connection in general08:59
Stskeepseven on wlan ap08:59
Pawky|2The question is, wether I enabled it myself a long long time ago, and it got flushed out with the upgrade, or if there is a config change.08:59
Stskeepsi don't know08:59
Stskeepswe don't intentionally break functionality :)08:59
Pawky|2Stskeeps: thats why I went so WTF about it...  ;-)09:00
Pawky|2I feel I will have to spend later tonight to do some bluetooth hacking again. Your assurance nothing has changed has given me ideas how  to fix it :-)09:00
tadzikHm, I wish Sailfish Utilities had a Restart msyncd button09:01
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StskeepsPawky|2: this app? https://github.com/jlehtoranta/harbour-tethering-gui09:02
Mikaelatadzik: you could request it at https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-utilities/issues09:02
tadzikOh, thanks :)09:03
Mikaelayou're welcome09:03
Pawky|2Stskeeps: yes, i think thats the one :-)09:03
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Stskeepstadzik: Redtart?09:04
Stskeeps:P09:04
Mikaelait looks like not entirely finished issue title or description09:05
StskeepsPawky|2: file an issue with the app maker, then dive into stack.. can you enable gprs internet just fine?09:05
Pawky|2Stskeeps: you mean the very old fashioned way as a modem?09:06
TMavicaI am In China finding battery, they said they can make one at once in 15 minutes..09:06
Pawky|2I am using wifi tethering as of writing :-)09:06
StskeepsPawky|2: no, as in enabling the Internet connection in the sailfish UI09:06
Stskeepsif wifi tethering i'd certainly presume that bluetooth tethering works09:06
Pawky|2Stskeeps: thats what I also presumed... :-/09:07
Stskeepsin fact, i am fairly sure there's no generic means to ask a provider if they will allow tethering09:07
Pawky|2I believe its all about that protocol not being enabled having to play with hcitool or hciconfig09:08
tadzikStskeeps: typong is hatd, and enter os close to backspace :P09:08
Pawky|2Pawky|2: well.. I thhink i read about it for verizon in the states09:08
* Stskeeps ponders if tadzik is on vkb09:08
Pawky|2they somehow turned such features of in their sim cards...09:08
Stskeeps.. or drunk09:08
Stskeeps:P09:08
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Pawky|2I believe you can state what bluetooth protocols should be available default on a phone from the sim card.... but this is deep waters to me...09:10
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Stskeepsquite deep09:11
Stskeeps:P09:11
Stskeepsanyway, probably some other reason09:11
Stskeepsis bluetooth on09:11
Stskeeps?09:11
Pawky|2yes :-)09:11
tadzikStskeeps: both :)09:11
Stskeepstadzik: excellent09:12
TemeVtadzik: I use ShellEx for things like that09:12
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Pawky|2Stskeeps: I will have to run, but will look into the matters later on tonight. To figure it out i need to disconnect anyways. I think its all about enabling the right protcols. This was so long time ago i will have to fiddle with it from scratch again.09:13
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Pawky|2will give feedback on my progress ;-)09:13
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tadzikTemeV: oh, that sounds useful09:21
kjetilhogah.  why does my Jolla say "Creating account" when I try to log in?09:23
kjetilhoand of course it fails, since the account exists09:23
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zett_zelettMust I expect a noticable perfomance drop if I was to upgrade a Jolla to SaiflishOS 2.0?09:27
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Stskeepsno09:31
Stskeepswe dev on jollas09:31
kjetilhoso how come I never get the new releases?  I feel like I always have to wait for months :)09:38
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kjetilhook, I should read more of tjc, nvm!09:40
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pdanekhttps://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/08/20/aquaris-e4-5-and-e5-ubuntu-editions-debut-in-india-with-snapdeal/10:21
pdanekUbuntu takes the lead over Sailfish?10:21
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Stskeepspdanek: we did the same a year ago?10:36
Stskeepsgetting onto a marketplace like snapdeal is easy10:36
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tathhu:310:46
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citylight2can I use a MHL cable to connect my jolla to a hdtv?11:25
Stskeepsno11:26
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citylight2did any one here responded to a new jolla phone release?11:44
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citylight2the current phone is very sensitive compared to nexsus4/511:44
kjetilhosensitive?11:45
citylight2when it drops, it dents, nexsus4 is much more durable11:45
citylight2I mean I didn't break it yet, but I wish the phone was more durable11:45
citylight2screen has a few scratches11:47
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cb400fcitylight2: it's not the same price level as the nexus'es (when new), and Jolla always admitted they had to compromise to get the first phone out... did you hear about the Intex phone with Sailfish?12:43
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* cb400f wonders how hard it will be to get it in on the western hemisphere12:44
cb400fthough my jolla is still as new after 20 months, but I treat it with the same care as I would a new-born baby ;-)12:45
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citylight2I didn't know about that, ok hope these phones would be more durable12:49
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cb400fat least judging by the price they announced, it appears it'll be their flagship model, but dunno if that guarantees build quality12:54
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pp_yah, big difference what to expect for 200e vs. 400e too.13:02
Stskeepseven 25 USD phones aren't really that bad build quality today13:03
Stskeepsi have one of those firefox ones and it's not like, crap13:04
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attahHas anyone used recovery mode in 1.1.7? Just curious if the recovery menu needs some as of yet unpublished update18:49
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pp_hrmn, I think my "new" one was at 1.1.7 when I relocked the bootloader19:32
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attahbootloader operations seems to have worked (desperate me unlocked it)19:46
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Blizzzjolla store and journalctl tells me an update (to 1.1.7) is available, but settings claims it is up to date. Last check: 3 days ago. Manually checking keeps the message "Checking for updates" and nothing happens. journalctl, as said, prints that a new OS version is available. REbooted couple times, balanced btrfs as well. Still i am stuck. What would i do?21:24
Blizzzaside of pkcon update…21:25
phlixijust a wild idea21:25
phlixigo accounts and check if jolla account is active21:25
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Blizzzphlixi: yes, it is active. system claimed some time ago it needs update… well, gave the credentials again. jolla store works.21:26
phlixithen i have no idea, but i am just a noob.... :-)21:27
phlixithe others will probably help you21:27
Blizzzphlixi: ssu s tells me the device is not registered. no idea whether it should be like this? the device is shown on accounts.jolla.ocom21:27
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Blizzzset version via ssu re and doing version --dup now. let' s see21:34
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Blizzznothing21:35
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