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ggabrieluhm... 19 unsuccessful logins for nemo@myjolla... time to set up iptables it seems...09:53
Nicd-I have such modern SSHd settings on my server that botnets can't even establish a connection :D09:54
ggabrielwell.... same here but not on the phone09:54
ggabrielunless something's wrong with the phone, somebody could have been just randomly picking ip addresses and trying09:54
ggabrielI have to look further09:55
ggabriele.g., how do they know that the user is nemo09:55
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ggabrielunless these were random accesses and they get reported, I dunno09:55
tbrggabriel: by mac address09:55
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tbralso it might broadcast something09:55
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ggabrielyes, yes, but there are very few Jollas :) I don't want to assume a jolla targetted attack just yet, although that's an option09:56
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ggabrielanybody played with this, out of curiosity? https://frinring.wordpress.com/2015/11/25/marble-maps-forking-for-sailfishos/11:38
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phlixi_oany ideas how i could inject css or even better javascript in web pages display with jollas stock browser?15:30
phlixi_o...i would like to "fix" some pages. just like i do with greasemonkey / userstyles on the desktop15:32
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Raimphlixi_o: https://together.jolla.com/question/1155/browser-font-size/?answer=7316#post-id-731615:37
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phlixi_othanks Raim, thats better than nothing. unfortunately this only allows to specify css, but i do not see a way to get js there :(15:42
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Raimphlixi_o: no, I am not aware there would be anything similar for javascript15:47
phlixi_oi would like to prevent a proxy-like solution where i have to insert my js into every page :(15:50
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Raimphlixi_o: which will not work for HTTPS anyway...15:55
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phlixi_owhich is the main reasson why i would like to prevent that16:01
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narchie3rip jolla16:02
Stskeepsoi, not dead16:03
Stskeeps:P16:03
ggabrielshpo.jolla.com must be the only place without a discount today16:03
ggabrieli'm lying actually, i know of another one16:03
phlixi_olier!16:04
phlixi_o:)16:04
ggabrieloh damn me!!!16:04
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sebsebseb19:18
sebsebsebso I guess the big question is, if load more Jolla tablets will actually get sent out or not!19:19
sebsebsebloads more above19:19
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Hartzinobody knows19:25
sebsebsebHartzi: yeah seems it's  uncertain19:26
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pdanekSo legally, if Jolla will go bankrupt, people won't get many back right?21:05
pdanekFor tablets.21:06
ninnnuIf you've ordered one via IGG, no, because IGG/Kickstarter-projects aren't actually obliged to deliver (there are plenty of projects which never did). Not sure about Jolla Store21:08
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ninnnuThat is, if a IGG/Kickstarter-project fails, there's no penalty for the company/inviduals doing the project, AFAIK.21:11
ninnnuOther than bad PR21:11
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RaYmAnninnnu: tbh, most companys that fail delivering IGG/kS has usually been bankrupted first... Even if not, the difference in laws makes it near impossible to pursue legal action...21:26
RaYmAnPlus, things usually fail, not because of bad intents, but rather because of issues/bad management etc, so I think a lot of people decide to let it go.21:27
RaYmAnStill hoping for my Jolla Tablet to ship some year though ;)21:28
* Stskeeps too21:28
RaYmAnThe first KS project I backed disappeared entirely for like two years, then suddenly came back to deliver :P21:30
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* lpotter hopes it was just the helsinki building was cursed22:16
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sebsebsebif Jolla goes bank rupt etc22:31
sebsebsebI guess Ubuntu Phone is really where it's at now, and later on a tablet I guess22:31
sebsebseban offical tablet, already been an unoffical for that22:31
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nh1402sebsebseb: we could all switch to nemo, and create a launcher/dwm that works similarly to Sailfish]22:34
lpotterif jolla does die, the next OS in the maemo/harmattan/meego/sailfish line should be named Phoenix22:35
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nh1402lpotter: any particular reason why?22:35
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Accenh1402: rises from the ashes?22:36
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lpotterkeeps getting killed and resurrected like a phoenix22:36
lpotterI think the office move will go along way.. bad juju in that office22:37
Stskeepspfft, it'd be called 'nomoreslush'22:37
Stskeeps:P22:37
phlixi_firefox once was named phoenix22:38
phlixi_...changed name due to issues with copyright or similar stuff22:38
lpotterok then xineohp22:38
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nh1402why not just a new spelling for phoenix22:39
lpotterfeenix22:40
lpotterbah. not22:40
nh1402phϹ!x22:42
nh1402nope, terrible22:43
M4rtinK2ashbird ? ;-)22:47
lpotterph03n1x22:47
M4rtinK2phoenux22:47
lpotterph03n!x22:48
nh1402lpotter: ph03π!x22:48
phlixi_search for "stackoverflow regex html" if you want to know how to leetspeek :D22:48
lpotterf03n!x22:49
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pdanekStskeeps: Do you still keep using Cyanogenmod time to time?23:00
pdanekjust to see how the things develop over time?23:00
Stskeepspdanek: usually for playing pingu on long trips23:00
pdanekStskeeps: would you say it's second best OS after Sailfish?23:01
pdanekout of all OSes23:01
Stskeepsno idea23:01
pdanekStskeeps: nexus 4?23:01
Stskeepsfocusing on something else atm23:02
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nh1402Stskeeps: a landscape qwerty keyboard phone?23:03
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sebsebsebpdanek: Stskeeps  Cyanogenmod is for geeks and that's it it seems, well Microsoft were going to support it a bit before as well I read23:04
sebsebseb,but it won't get sort of main streame23:04
sebsebsebit seems23:05
* sebsebseb wants to see a like 3rd/4th OS option out there in the kind of main streame, like FIrefox is now23:05
sebsebsebOS option for mobile23:05
Stskeepsnh1402: revolution23:06
sebsebsebFirefox OS won't be it it seems.  Jolla might be dead soon and I don't think that was quite the intention anyway, well not like Canoncail with Ubuntu anyway23:06
sebsebsebFirefox OS ws just targetting devloping world before really so yeah23:06
sebsebsebAPple won't just go away, neither will Andoid, but there is room in the market I belive for a decent 3rd/4th player23:07
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pdaneksebsebseb: decent 3rd player will be definitely Windows Phone23:21
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pdanek4th, who knows23:22
pdanekI doubt Ubuntu or Firefox can make it,23:22
sebsebsebpdanek: WIndows Phone is only just about in there really23:23
sebsebsebstill23:23
pdanekand Cyanogenmod and Cyanogen OS is different, Cyanogen OS can get mainstream, why not.... just depends how many HW vendors will sell phones with pre-installed Cyanogen23:23
sebsebsebpdanek: not many23:23
pdaneksebsebseb: I know many people with Windows Phone and I know more which want it23:23
sebsebsebplus there are already quite a few edited Andoid things out there23:23
sebsebsebfor phones or tablets23:23
pdanekya, not many vendors yet23:23
pdanekbut they're growing slowly23:23
sebsebsebI think Ubuntu Touch has most chance at getting in there as a 4th or something like that23:23
pdanekunlike Jolla23:23
pdanekCyanogen is now in Yu phones in India23:24
pdaneksebsebseb: Do you think Ubuntu Touch is really having chance to be big player?23:24
lpotterubuntu touch is not as feature full as sailfish23:24
pdaneklpotter: it's all about apps23:25
pdanekif there is no feature for that, there's an app for that :)23:25
lpotterapps are overrated23:25
phlixi_Firefox OS is actually sold in the phone shops of the carriers, thats a huge difference to ubuntu/sailfish (does DNA still sell jollas?). so people buy firefox devices without knowing stuff... like they by "a samsung"... you only get a jolla if you really know what you want...23:25
lpotterios didnt have apps when it first started23:25
pdaneklpotter: yes they are and people make then overrated and same people buy millions of phones and define market share23:25
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pdanekhm23:26
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sebsebsebpdanek: I think once the convergence is sorted out enough for Ubuntu Touch and on an actsual phone for that to, so a future BQ one it seems23:26
sebsebsebthen yes one or two of thos remoured networks23:26
lpotterios didnt even have mms23:26
sebsebsebmay actsully put it on a contract and try out like that23:26
pdanekiphone began in different age, same as N900, when you didn't need so many apps and websites still had mobile versions23:26
sebsebsebwhich is the start of something23:26
phlixi_https://www.congstar.de/handys/ <<- i know its a german page... but you can see, they have a firefox device as the FIRST device shown once you click on the "devices" tab (next to "prepaid" "postpais" "landline" and "Help")23:26
sebsebsebmain stremae? no, but getting more out there yes23:27
pdaneknow websites don't even have mobile versions because they have an app for that23:27
* sebsebseb always saw Jolla as being more geeky really, but hasn't done that much with the Jolla phone yet since something23:27
pdanekon a bus stops you see adverts with QR codes to the app in store... that's the age we live in23:27
sebsebsebthe one thing that could let Ubuntu Touch down a lot really in the long run though, is how there is no Android compatability thing like Jolla has23:28
sebsebsebit's like having Desktop LInux, but without Wine or something lilke that, when actsaully a lot of people want to run at least some Windows apps in it23:28
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sebsebsebat least with Andoid compatiblity can have most ANdroid apps working on that phone to23:29
pdaneksebsebseb: no Android compatibility on Ubuntu is temporary thing23:29
lpotterUT store does have paid apps though, so there is incentive23:29
pdanekI'm sure there people working on that23:29
pdanekthere're23:29
sebsebsebpdanek: no there's no plan to have Android compatability for Ubuntu Touch as far as I know23:29
sebsebsebpdanek: Canoncial want people to just make native apps for it23:29
ninnnuI suppose they could just licence it from Alien, like Jolla did (AFAIK)23:29
sebsebsebor web apps23:29
lpotterUT is not about apps, really.23:29
pdanekeven on Ubuntu IRC chat, when asking about Android compatibility, the answer was: "not yet"23:30
pdanekthe "yet"  means something23:30
sebsebsebUT is a nice OS, but it needs to have more apps if it's going to get anywhere close at becoming sort of main streme at least, as well as the convergence thing23:30
lpotterandroid apps would have to live in their own sandbox like other 3rd party apps23:30
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pdanekubuntu touch would be nice with KDE Plasma UI23:30
pdanekI hate the Ubuntu Touch UI23:31
sebsebsebpdanek: there is a KDE plasma mobile OS to23:31
sebsebseb,but23:31
sebsebsebit doens't really run on anything as such for now it seems23:31
sebsebsebPlasma Active I think it was called yeah23:31
sebsebsebor uh23:31
pdanekyes, based on ubuntu touch23:31
pdanekplasma active previously23:32
pdaneknow it's called plasma mobile23:32
pdanekand it's UI on top of Ubuntu Touch23:32
pdanekyou can run it on nexus 523:32
pdanekand run Ubuntu Touch apps on it23:32
sebsebsebpdanek: yeah I don't have a Nexus 523:33
sebsebsebGoogle don't supprot anymore, but Canoncial do heh23:33
sebsebsebor that was NExus 423:33
lpotterprobably nexus 423:33
lpotternexus 4 is reference hardware for UT23:34
sebsebsebwell it would be nice to have some sort of Linux moble option as the 4th player if you like. 1.  Hypephone 2. Android  3.  Windows Phone just about?  4.  Ubuntu or well Ubuntu I guess heh.  Tizen is just Samsungs Play thing et23:34
sebsebsebc23:34
lpotterBQ's dont have slimport23:35
sebsebsebwhat's slimport, and I know Ubuntu Touch was made  for Nexus 4 first23:35
sebsebsebthat was there testing phone23:35
pdanekhttp://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22635/plasma-mobile-a-brief-summary/23:35
lpotterslimport is like usb to hdmi23:36
sebsebsebyes the current bq phones  with UT are a bit rubbish really23:36
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sebsebseb,but  apparnatly they are going to make a speical made for Ubuntu  Touch convergence phone BQ23:36
sebsebsebthat will also sell with Android as an option23:36
lpotterUT needs more ui optimization23:36
sebsebsebhow so?23:37
pdaneksebsebseb: what about Meizu MX4? hardware-wise it's terrific phone!23:37
Stskeepsalso not on sale with ubuntu anymore23:37
Stskeeps(AFAIK)23:37
sebsebsebpdanek: I have a Meizu MX 4 :)23:38
sebsebseband yes that's a nice phone23:38
sebsebsebthey stopped selling it with Ubuntu, they also sent me the silver, when I ws meant to get Gold23:38
sebsebsebcolour23:38
pdaneksebsebseb: did you try KDE Plasma Mobile on top?23:38
pdaneksebsebseb: why they stopped selling? :(23:38
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pdanekI tried to find some recently and couldn't23:38
sebsebsebI emailed  them, but really bad English so just gave up23:39
sebsebsebalso this is werid the uds video opendd up some where, but I don't even see a tab for it in FIrefox weird23:39
sebsebseband I don't see another window23:39
* sebsebseb is actsaully running Ubuntu 15.10 at the moment, since hasn't bothered to set up this newer lap top properly yet distrowise23:39
* sebsebseb since still having some annoyances since UEFI as well ah!23:39
pdaneksebsebseb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2dkPr8kVio that's the embedded video from my original link23:39
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sebsebsebyeah I found the vidoe close now23:40
sebsebseb,but something I'll have to watch23:40
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sebsebsebyeah  the old meizumarkt site got closedd to, wehre had got the mezi uphone through23:41
sebsebsebwhere had bought it from basically,  there was a message instead, abot how they had like changed there business startegy etc23:41
sebsebsebI think they were just trying with Ubuntu Touch,  see what would happen, really tehy want people buying phones with there FlymeOS based on Android23:41
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sebsebsebpdanek: I think they weren't taking UBuntu Touch seriosuly all along really, and so stopped selling it23:42
sebsebsebat least BQ  have it nicely there as a proper option on the site hwen I looked before again etc23:42
sebsebsebpdanek: my Meziu MX 4 is nice, but since the Silver one, it really does look like an Iphone to ah!23:44
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sebsebsebwas meant to be the gold coloured one as I put earlier, which I Think might actsaully be like my Firefox OS phone, two coloured phone.  one colour on front one oclour on back.  looks like the golden mezizu may actsaully be silver on front, and gold on back,  colourwise23:45
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pdaneksebsebseb: hmm.... so you think mx5 won't come with Ubuntu anymore?23:49
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sebsebsebpdanek: indeed23:51
sebsebsebpdanek: Meizu don't seem to care about Ubuntu Touch at all anyore23:51
sebsebsebI guess if it becomes more successful marekt hsare wise ing eneral they might again, but untll then nope23:51
sebsebsebpdanek: so BQ is the Ubuntu Phone maker for now then23:51
sebsebsebwhich kind of makes it eaiser in a way23:51
sebsebsebsince I started wanting like every Ubuntu Phone :d23:51
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sebsebsebpdanek: I was one of the first people to get an Ubuntu phone as in the comericaly avialbe one, but sadly  one of the first, or maybe the first hmm, to lose an Ubuntu Phone to!23:53
sebsebsebI wonder what happended to that phone23:53
sebsebsebI guess they didn't get that far trying to re sell it, assuming someone picked it up23:53
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pdaneksebsebseb: :D23:55
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pdaneksebsebseb: Do you own Jolla too?23:56
sebsebsebpdanek: yes23:57
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sebsebsebpdanek: I got my Jolla phone in  Jan, since I was a bit dleayd putting in the deatils in DEcember23:57
sebsebsebthen I bought the BQ  first one in March, but sadly lost in July ah!23:57
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Stskeepsmeanwhile, something to ponder: http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/11/when-children-are-breached-inside-the-massive-vtech-hack/23:57
sebsebsebafter travelling23:58
sebsebsebpdanek: yay home. 5am, uhmm it fell out of a pocket in a top onto the house drive and din't reolise ah!23:58
sebsebsebpdanek: I plan to re buy that phone acstaully,  even though it wasn't that great really, espeically compared to the Meizu23:58
sebsebsebpdanek: ,but I was buying to keep for many  years to23:59
pdaneksebsebseb: try KDE Plasma Mobile23:59
pdanekanyway, you can just buy nexus 5 and run Ubuntu Touch on top23:59
pdanekrun there cyanogen mod, ubuntu touch, plasma mobile, anything you imagine23:59
pdanekevery week different OS on it23:59
sebsebsebcontactinG BQ was worth aa shot, but then it was like did you do our insurance thing nope? and that only covers violent theft anyway it seems23:59
sebsebsebthen if can prove it was stolen and violoently, they will give a  new phone free of charge23:59
sebsebsebprove as in with say a police report23:59
pdanekeven sailfish23:59
sebsebsebpdanek: Nexus 5 is that the latest one?23:59

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