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ggabriel | uhm... 19 unsuccessful logins for nemo@myjolla... time to set up iptables it seems... | 09:53 |
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Nicd- | I have such modern SSHd settings on my server that botnets can't even establish a connection :D | 09:54 |
ggabriel | well.... same here but not on the phone | 09:54 |
ggabriel | unless something's wrong with the phone, somebody could have been just randomly picking ip addresses and trying | 09:54 |
ggabriel | I have to look further | 09:55 |
ggabriel | e.g., how do they know that the user is nemo | 09:55 |
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ggabriel | unless these were random accesses and they get reported, I dunno | 09:55 |
tbr | ggabriel: by mac address | 09:55 |
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tbr | also it might broadcast something | 09:55 |
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ggabriel | yes, yes, but there are very few Jollas :) I don't want to assume a jolla targetted attack just yet, although that's an option | 09:56 |
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ggabriel | anybody played with this, out of curiosity? https://frinring.wordpress.com/2015/11/25/marble-maps-forking-for-sailfishos/ | 11:38 |
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phlixi_o | any ideas how i could inject css or even better javascript in web pages display with jollas stock browser? | 15:30 |
phlixi_o | ...i would like to "fix" some pages. just like i do with greasemonkey / userstyles on the desktop | 15:32 |
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Raim | phlixi_o: https://together.jolla.com/question/1155/browser-font-size/?answer=7316#post-id-7316 | 15:37 |
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phlixi_o | thanks Raim, thats better than nothing. unfortunately this only allows to specify css, but i do not see a way to get js there :( | 15:42 |
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Raim | phlixi_o: no, I am not aware there would be anything similar for javascript | 15:47 |
phlixi_o | i would like to prevent a proxy-like solution where i have to insert my js into every page :( | 15:50 |
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Raim | phlixi_o: which will not work for HTTPS anyway... | 15:55 |
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phlixi_o | which is the main reasson why i would like to prevent that | 16:01 |
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narchie3 | rip jolla | 16:02 |
Stskeeps | oi, not dead | 16:03 |
Stskeeps | :P | 16:03 |
ggabriel | shpo.jolla.com must be the only place without a discount today | 16:03 |
ggabriel | i'm lying actually, i know of another one | 16:03 |
phlixi_o | lier! | 16:04 |
phlixi_o | :) | 16:04 |
ggabriel | oh damn me!!! | 16:04 |
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sebsebseb | 19:18 | |
sebsebseb | so I guess the big question is, if load more Jolla tablets will actually get sent out or not! | 19:19 |
sebsebseb | loads more above | 19:19 |
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Hartzi | nobody knows | 19:25 |
sebsebseb | Hartzi: yeah seems it's uncertain | 19:26 |
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pdanek | So legally, if Jolla will go bankrupt, people won't get many back right? | 21:05 |
pdanek | For tablets. | 21:06 |
ninnnu | If you've ordered one via IGG, no, because IGG/Kickstarter-projects aren't actually obliged to deliver (there are plenty of projects which never did). Not sure about Jolla Store | 21:08 |
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ninnnu | That is, if a IGG/Kickstarter-project fails, there's no penalty for the company/inviduals doing the project, AFAIK. | 21:11 |
ninnnu | Other than bad PR | 21:11 |
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RaYmAn | ninnnu: tbh, most companys that fail delivering IGG/kS has usually been bankrupted first... Even if not, the difference in laws makes it near impossible to pursue legal action... | 21:26 |
RaYmAn | Plus, things usually fail, not because of bad intents, but rather because of issues/bad management etc, so I think a lot of people decide to let it go. | 21:27 |
RaYmAn | Still hoping for my Jolla Tablet to ship some year though ;) | 21:28 |
* Stskeeps too | 21:28 | |
RaYmAn | The first KS project I backed disappeared entirely for like two years, then suddenly came back to deliver :P | 21:30 |
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sebsebseb | if Jolla goes bank rupt etc | 22:31 |
sebsebseb | I guess Ubuntu Phone is really where it's at now, and later on a tablet I guess | 22:31 |
sebsebseb | an offical tablet, already been an unoffical for that | 22:31 |
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nh1402 | sebsebseb: we could all switch to nemo, and create a launcher/dwm that works similarly to Sailfish] | 22:34 |
lpotter | if jolla does die, the next OS in the maemo/harmattan/meego/sailfish line should be named Phoenix | 22:35 |
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nh1402 | lpotter: any particular reason why? | 22:35 |
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Acce | nh1402: rises from the ashes? | 22:36 |
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lpotter | keeps getting killed and resurrected like a phoenix | 22:36 |
lpotter | I think the office move will go along way.. bad juju in that office | 22:37 |
Stskeeps | pfft, it'd be called 'nomoreslush' | 22:37 |
Stskeeps | :P | 22:37 |
phlixi_ | firefox once was named phoenix | 22:38 |
phlixi_ | ...changed name due to issues with copyright or similar stuff | 22:38 |
lpotter | ok then xineohp | 22:38 |
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nh1402 | why not just a new spelling for phoenix | 22:39 |
lpotter | feenix | 22:40 |
lpotter | bah. not | 22:40 |
nh1402 | phϹ!x | 22:42 |
nh1402 | nope, terrible | 22:43 |
M4rtinK2 | ashbird ? ;-) | 22:47 |
lpotter | ph03n1x | 22:47 |
M4rtinK2 | phoenux | 22:47 |
lpotter | ph03n!x | 22:48 |
nh1402 | lpotter: ph03π!x | 22:48 |
phlixi_ | search for "stackoverflow regex html" if you want to know how to leetspeek :D | 22:48 |
lpotter | f03n!x | 22:49 |
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pdanek | Stskeeps: Do you still keep using Cyanogenmod time to time? | 23:00 |
pdanek | just to see how the things develop over time? | 23:00 |
Stskeeps | pdanek: usually for playing pingu on long trips | 23:00 |
pdanek | Stskeeps: would you say it's second best OS after Sailfish? | 23:01 |
pdanek | out of all OSes | 23:01 |
Stskeeps | no idea | 23:01 |
pdanek | Stskeeps: nexus 4? | 23:01 |
Stskeeps | focusing on something else atm | 23:02 |
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nh1402 | Stskeeps: a landscape qwerty keyboard phone? | 23:03 |
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sebsebseb | pdanek: Stskeeps Cyanogenmod is for geeks and that's it it seems, well Microsoft were going to support it a bit before as well I read | 23:04 |
sebsebseb | ,but it won't get sort of main streame | 23:04 |
sebsebseb | it seems | 23:05 |
* sebsebseb wants to see a like 3rd/4th OS option out there in the kind of main streame, like FIrefox is now | 23:05 | |
sebsebseb | OS option for mobile | 23:05 |
Stskeeps | nh1402: revolution | 23:06 |
sebsebseb | Firefox OS won't be it it seems. Jolla might be dead soon and I don't think that was quite the intention anyway, well not like Canoncail with Ubuntu anyway | 23:06 |
sebsebseb | Firefox OS ws just targetting devloping world before really so yeah | 23:06 |
sebsebseb | APple won't just go away, neither will Andoid, but there is room in the market I belive for a decent 3rd/4th player | 23:07 |
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pdanek | sebsebseb: decent 3rd player will be definitely Windows Phone | 23:21 |
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pdanek | 4th, who knows | 23:22 |
pdanek | I doubt Ubuntu or Firefox can make it, | 23:22 |
sebsebseb | pdanek: WIndows Phone is only just about in there really | 23:23 |
sebsebseb | still | 23:23 |
pdanek | and Cyanogenmod and Cyanogen OS is different, Cyanogen OS can get mainstream, why not.... just depends how many HW vendors will sell phones with pre-installed Cyanogen | 23:23 |
sebsebseb | pdanek: not many | 23:23 |
pdanek | sebsebseb: I know many people with Windows Phone and I know more which want it | 23:23 |
sebsebseb | plus there are already quite a few edited Andoid things out there | 23:23 |
sebsebseb | for phones or tablets | 23:23 |
pdanek | ya, not many vendors yet | 23:23 |
pdanek | but they're growing slowly | 23:23 |
sebsebseb | I think Ubuntu Touch has most chance at getting in there as a 4th or something like that | 23:23 |
pdanek | unlike Jolla | 23:23 |
pdanek | Cyanogen is now in Yu phones in India | 23:24 |
pdanek | sebsebseb: Do you think Ubuntu Touch is really having chance to be big player? | 23:24 |
lpotter | ubuntu touch is not as feature full as sailfish | 23:24 |
pdanek | lpotter: it's all about apps | 23:25 |
pdanek | if there is no feature for that, there's an app for that :) | 23:25 |
lpotter | apps are overrated | 23:25 |
phlixi_ | Firefox OS is actually sold in the phone shops of the carriers, thats a huge difference to ubuntu/sailfish (does DNA still sell jollas?). so people buy firefox devices without knowing stuff... like they by "a samsung"... you only get a jolla if you really know what you want... | 23:25 |
lpotter | ios didnt have apps when it first started | 23:25 |
pdanek | lpotter: yes they are and people make then overrated and same people buy millions of phones and define market share | 23:25 |
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pdanek | hm | 23:26 |
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sebsebseb | pdanek: I think once the convergence is sorted out enough for Ubuntu Touch and on an actsual phone for that to, so a future BQ one it seems | 23:26 |
sebsebseb | then yes one or two of thos remoured networks | 23:26 |
lpotter | ios didnt even have mms | 23:26 |
sebsebseb | may actsully put it on a contract and try out like that | 23:26 |
pdanek | iphone began in different age, same as N900, when you didn't need so many apps and websites still had mobile versions | 23:26 |
sebsebseb | which is the start of something | 23:26 |
phlixi_ | https://www.congstar.de/handys/ <<- i know its a german page... but you can see, they have a firefox device as the FIRST device shown once you click on the "devices" tab (next to "prepaid" "postpais" "landline" and "Help") | 23:26 |
sebsebseb | main stremae? no, but getting more out there yes | 23:27 |
pdanek | now websites don't even have mobile versions because they have an app for that | 23:27 |
* sebsebseb always saw Jolla as being more geeky really, but hasn't done that much with the Jolla phone yet since something | 23:27 | |
pdanek | on a bus stops you see adverts with QR codes to the app in store... that's the age we live in | 23:27 |
sebsebseb | the one thing that could let Ubuntu Touch down a lot really in the long run though, is how there is no Android compatability thing like Jolla has | 23:28 |
sebsebseb | it's like having Desktop LInux, but without Wine or something lilke that, when actsaully a lot of people want to run at least some Windows apps in it | 23:28 |
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sebsebseb | at least with Andoid compatiblity can have most ANdroid apps working on that phone to | 23:29 |
pdanek | sebsebseb: no Android compatibility on Ubuntu is temporary thing | 23:29 |
lpotter | UT store does have paid apps though, so there is incentive | 23:29 |
pdanek | I'm sure there people working on that | 23:29 |
pdanek | there're | 23:29 |
sebsebseb | pdanek: no there's no plan to have Android compatability for Ubuntu Touch as far as I know | 23:29 |
sebsebseb | pdanek: Canoncial want people to just make native apps for it | 23:29 |
ninnnu | I suppose they could just licence it from Alien, like Jolla did (AFAIK) | 23:29 |
sebsebseb | or web apps | 23:29 |
lpotter | UT is not about apps, really. | 23:29 |
pdanek | even on Ubuntu IRC chat, when asking about Android compatibility, the answer was: "not yet" | 23:30 |
pdanek | the "yet" means something | 23:30 |
sebsebseb | UT is a nice OS, but it needs to have more apps if it's going to get anywhere close at becoming sort of main streme at least, as well as the convergence thing | 23:30 |
lpotter | android apps would have to live in their own sandbox like other 3rd party apps | 23:30 |
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pdanek | ubuntu touch would be nice with KDE Plasma UI | 23:30 |
pdanek | I hate the Ubuntu Touch UI | 23:31 |
sebsebseb | pdanek: there is a KDE plasma mobile OS to | 23:31 |
sebsebseb | ,but | 23:31 |
sebsebseb | it doens't really run on anything as such for now it seems | 23:31 |
sebsebseb | Plasma Active I think it was called yeah | 23:31 |
sebsebseb | or uh | 23:31 |
pdanek | yes, based on ubuntu touch | 23:31 |
pdanek | plasma active previously | 23:32 |
pdanek | now it's called plasma mobile | 23:32 |
pdanek | and it's UI on top of Ubuntu Touch | 23:32 |
pdanek | you can run it on nexus 5 | 23:32 |
pdanek | and run Ubuntu Touch apps on it | 23:32 |
sebsebseb | pdanek: yeah I don't have a Nexus 5 | 23:33 |
sebsebseb | Google don't supprot anymore, but Canoncial do heh | 23:33 |
sebsebseb | or that was NExus 4 | 23:33 |
lpotter | probably nexus 4 | 23:33 |
lpotter | nexus 4 is reference hardware for UT | 23:34 |
sebsebseb | well it would be nice to have some sort of Linux moble option as the 4th player if you like. 1. Hypephone 2. Android 3. Windows Phone just about? 4. Ubuntu or well Ubuntu I guess heh. Tizen is just Samsungs Play thing et | 23:34 |
sebsebseb | c | 23:34 |
lpotter | BQ's dont have slimport | 23:35 |
sebsebseb | what's slimport, and I know Ubuntu Touch was made for Nexus 4 first | 23:35 |
sebsebseb | that was there testing phone | 23:35 |
pdanek | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22635/plasma-mobile-a-brief-summary/ | 23:35 |
lpotter | slimport is like usb to hdmi | 23:36 |
sebsebseb | yes the current bq phones with UT are a bit rubbish really | 23:36 |
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sebsebseb | ,but apparnatly they are going to make a speical made for Ubuntu Touch convergence phone BQ | 23:36 |
sebsebseb | that will also sell with Android as an option | 23:36 |
lpotter | UT needs more ui optimization | 23:36 |
sebsebseb | how so? | 23:37 |
pdanek | sebsebseb: what about Meizu MX4? hardware-wise it's terrific phone! | 23:37 |
Stskeeps | also not on sale with ubuntu anymore | 23:37 |
Stskeeps | (AFAIK) | 23:37 |
sebsebseb | pdanek: I have a Meizu MX 4 :) | 23:38 |
sebsebseb | and yes that's a nice phone | 23:38 |
sebsebseb | they stopped selling it with Ubuntu, they also sent me the silver, when I ws meant to get Gold | 23:38 |
sebsebseb | colour | 23:38 |
pdanek | sebsebseb: did you try KDE Plasma Mobile on top? | 23:38 |
pdanek | sebsebseb: why they stopped selling? :( | 23:38 |
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pdanek | I tried to find some recently and couldn't | 23:38 |
sebsebseb | I emailed them, but really bad English so just gave up | 23:39 |
sebsebseb | also this is werid the uds video opendd up some where, but I don't even see a tab for it in FIrefox weird | 23:39 |
sebsebseb | and I don't see another window | 23:39 |
* sebsebseb is actsaully running Ubuntu 15.10 at the moment, since hasn't bothered to set up this newer lap top properly yet distrowise | 23:39 | |
* sebsebseb since still having some annoyances since UEFI as well ah! | 23:39 | |
pdanek | sebsebseb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2dkPr8kVio that's the embedded video from my original link | 23:39 |
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sebsebseb | yeah I found the vidoe close now | 23:40 |
sebsebseb | ,but something I'll have to watch | 23:40 |
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sebsebseb | yeah the old meizumarkt site got closedd to, wehre had got the mezi uphone through | 23:41 |
sebsebseb | where had bought it from basically, there was a message instead, abot how they had like changed there business startegy etc | 23:41 |
sebsebseb | I think they were just trying with Ubuntu Touch, see what would happen, really tehy want people buying phones with there FlymeOS based on Android | 23:41 |
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sebsebseb | pdanek: I think they weren't taking UBuntu Touch seriosuly all along really, and so stopped selling it | 23:42 |
sebsebseb | at least BQ have it nicely there as a proper option on the site hwen I looked before again etc | 23:42 |
sebsebseb | pdanek: my Meziu MX 4 is nice, but since the Silver one, it really does look like an Iphone to ah! | 23:44 |
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sebsebseb | was meant to be the gold coloured one as I put earlier, which I Think might actsaully be like my Firefox OS phone, two coloured phone. one colour on front one oclour on back. looks like the golden mezizu may actsaully be silver on front, and gold on back, colourwise | 23:45 |
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pdanek | sebsebseb: hmm.... so you think mx5 won't come with Ubuntu anymore? | 23:49 |
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sebsebseb | pdanek: indeed | 23:51 |
sebsebseb | pdanek: Meizu don't seem to care about Ubuntu Touch at all anyore | 23:51 |
sebsebseb | I guess if it becomes more successful marekt hsare wise ing eneral they might again, but untll then nope | 23:51 |
sebsebseb | pdanek: so BQ is the Ubuntu Phone maker for now then | 23:51 |
sebsebseb | which kind of makes it eaiser in a way | 23:51 |
sebsebseb | since I started wanting like every Ubuntu Phone :d | 23:51 |
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sebsebseb | pdanek: I was one of the first people to get an Ubuntu phone as in the comericaly avialbe one, but sadly one of the first, or maybe the first hmm, to lose an Ubuntu Phone to! | 23:53 |
sebsebseb | I wonder what happended to that phone | 23:53 |
sebsebseb | I guess they didn't get that far trying to re sell it, assuming someone picked it up | 23:53 |
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pdanek | sebsebseb: :D | 23:55 |
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pdanek | sebsebseb: Do you own Jolla too? | 23:56 |
sebsebseb | pdanek: yes | 23:57 |
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sebsebseb | pdanek: I got my Jolla phone in Jan, since I was a bit dleayd putting in the deatils in DEcember | 23:57 |
sebsebseb | then I bought the BQ first one in March, but sadly lost in July ah! | 23:57 |
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Stskeeps | meanwhile, something to ponder: http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/11/when-children-are-breached-inside-the-massive-vtech-hack/ | 23:57 |
sebsebseb | after travelling | 23:58 |
sebsebseb | pdanek: yay home. 5am, uhmm it fell out of a pocket in a top onto the house drive and din't reolise ah! | 23:58 |
sebsebseb | pdanek: I plan to re buy that phone acstaully, even though it wasn't that great really, espeically compared to the Meizu | 23:58 |
sebsebseb | pdanek: ,but I was buying to keep for many years to | 23:59 |
pdanek | sebsebseb: try KDE Plasma Mobile | 23:59 |
pdanek | anyway, you can just buy nexus 5 and run Ubuntu Touch on top | 23:59 |
pdanek | run there cyanogen mod, ubuntu touch, plasma mobile, anything you imagine | 23:59 |
pdanek | every week different OS on it | 23:59 |
sebsebseb | contactinG BQ was worth aa shot, but then it was like did you do our insurance thing nope? and that only covers violent theft anyway it seems | 23:59 |
sebsebseb | then if can prove it was stolen and violoently, they will give a new phone free of charge | 23:59 |
sebsebseb | prove as in with say a police report | 23:59 |
pdanek | even sailfish | 23:59 |
sebsebseb | pdanek: Nexus 5 is that the latest one? | 23:59 |
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