#jollamobile log for Saturday, 2015-11-28

pdaneknope00:00
* sebsebseb has never flashed a phone, as in changed the OS on it00:00
pdaneklatest wouldn't be so well supported00:00
pdaneksebsebseb: shouldn't be too hard, tutorials everywhere00:00
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pdanekStskeeps: maybe you'll get to work for Ubuntu Touch!00:01
sebsebsebyeah the Nexus 5 I guess can get second hand cheap from soewehre or something00:01
sebsebsebthat's not on salae anymore via Googel I think?00:01
sebsebsebI would have got that like two eyars ago, but was out of stock then so ended up with a Samsung Gallaxy S3 Mini instead00:01
sebsebsebpdanek: yeah, but whre to get a NExus 5 anyway?00:02
sebsebsebif buying from Ebay it could be stolen or something realloy00:03
sebsebsebthe MX 4 can also be flashed have another OS put on it,  one of the Linux Voice guys  was showing me breifulyl how it could be done the other month00:03
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sebsebseblast month even00:04
sebsebseb,but to me my MX 4 is an Ubuntu Touch phone, so I don't really want to put another OS on it00:04
sebsebsebpdanek: if you don't have a BQ Ubuntu phone in response to earlier, I guess just wait untill a few months or so from now, the first BQ  Ubuntu convergence phone should go for sale then00:05
sebsebsebor  buy the current bqs if you want, and got money to spare00:05
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pdaneksebsebseb: nexus 5 should be OK price on ebay00:15
pdanekthat's ultimate phones to try different OSes while being relatively good hardware00:16
pdanekphone*00:16
sebsebsebpdanek: I don't quite trust ebay00:16
sebsebsebsince can end up buying stolen phones etc00:16
sebsebsebthe ultimate phone?00:16
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pdaneksebsebseb: you could end up ya00:22
pdaneksebsebseb: but better not to know about it00:23
pdanekI really wish KDE Plasma Mobile will get successful00:23
pdaneksince KDE Plasma Desktop is amazing00:23
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sebsebsebpdanek: yeah would be nice that, I just seen site about it etc, never tried00:24
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* sebsebseb prefers GNOME 3 muh prefers :)00:24
sebsebsebthen Mate00:24
* sebsebseb altough hasn't really played around with KDE 5 properly yet00:24
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sebsebsebI much prefer GNOME 3 to KDE that is, and then Mate is my next choice :)00:25
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pdaneksebsebseb: I always used Gnome 200:26
pdanekGnome 3, I tried few times and it's just... meh00:26
pdanekand I didn't like KDE400:26
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pdanekso until recent Plasma, I was unsatisfied with Linux desktop00:26
sebsebsebyeah I used GNOME 2 for ages mostly00:27
sebsebsebsoemtiems other DE's such as KDE 300:27
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sebsebsebXFCE or LXDE wasn't quite it, so back to GNOME 200:27
sebsebsebyes I never liked KDE 4 either really00:27
sebsebsebjust some of the KDEE apps but as a desktop uh no00:27
sebsebsebwhich is kind of funny since I got invovled with Mageia, a distribution that by many is seen as being mostly a KDE distro00:28
pdaneksebsebseb: you should give a try to KDE Plasma 5.400:28
pdanekit's way less buggy than 5.300:28
pdanekpolished enough00:29
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* sebsebseb is actually liking Unity much more these days to, and I mean the old Unity 7 on desktop Ubuntu, and Unity 8 on the phone has always been nice I find :)00:29
pdanekOpenSUSE Leap is good00:29
sebsebsebpdanek: yeah I tried to insatll Kubuntu actsaully, but then it all just messed up00:29
pdaneksebsebseb: hmm.... so do you actualy find the UI of UT nice?00:29
pdanekI need to try00:29
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sebsebsebI stil need to put another two distros on this lap top realy00:30
sebsebsebI just haven't been bothered to00:30
sebsebsebsince other focus00:30
sebsebsebalso I am a bit uh since this issue I got with the UEFI00:30
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sebsebsebwhere nope Grub will not come up first00:31
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sebsebsebpdanek: yes I am very impressed with Ubuntu Phone00:31
sebsebsebfor what it is00:32
sebsebsebUbuntu Touch even00:32
pdaneksebsebseb: did you find the UI better than Sailfish?00:32
sebsebsebUnity 8 on the phone just seems great really00:33
sebsebsebnice left hand bar, and standard phoney type stuff00:33
sebsebsebplus there are more and more apps coming to the app store for it now anyway00:33
* sebsebseb waits for convergence, has already seen a basic demo00:33
sebsebsebpdanek: I became an Ubuntu Phone fan this year, but  I should use my Jolla phone more really00:33
sebsebseband more properly00:33
sebsebsebreally I had been wanting an Ubuntu Phone ever since I saw it run on Nexus on web cam00:33
sebsebsebpdanek: I haven't actsaully upgraded to my Jolla phone to Salifish OS 2.0 yet, so I can't comment about 2.000:33
sebsebsebhowever  compared to 1.0, well they are both nice UI's but differnet00:34
sebsebsebFirefox OS is nice to the UI basic, but nice00:34
sebsebsebI got a FIrefox OS phone more recently to00:34
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pdaneksebsebseb: since KDE Plasma Mobile runs on top of Ubuntu Touch00:38
pdanekyou can run all the Ubuntu Touch apps on it00:38
pdaneksoon it might have android support00:38
pdanekI have high hopes for it00:39
sebsebsebpdanek: I think Ubuntu Touch is the one with most potential of becoming much more popular00:39
sebsebsebout of wel thes, Jolla/Salifsih,  Tizen00:39
sebsebsebFirefox OS00:39
sebsebsebCyanomod00:39
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sebsebsebCanonical has a chance at taking it more main streame00:40
sebsebsebor kind of thing00:40
sebsebseb,but  they may mess it up00:40
sebsebsebpdanek: also now with Ubuntu Phone it's like a repate of 2004/5 when I started with Linux00:40
sebsebsebUbuntu was not my first distro anyway00:40
sebsebsebthe debate was if could give oseone not that tehnical Ubuntu or some distro like that, some would say yes, others would  say no, and now is a repatae again with the Ubuntu Phones baially00:41
sebsebsebI think that a standard phone user who wants to text nad make a call maybe a little web browsing, b ut that doesnt' care much or at all about apps, then sure why not Ubuntu Touch is already fine :)00:41
sebsebsebso is Jolla I guess in that sense reallly00:41
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pdanekyep, that's right00:44
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pdanekWhere does all the crazy money funded to Cyanogen go to?01:50
pdanekIt's just Android ROM, they can't possibly use all the money, can they?01:50
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jonwilThe amount of code in cyanogenmod that is new code and not just ripped from AOSP or the various stock firmwares for the various devices is surprising02:06
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phlixi_pdanek: i think you underestimate the effort of software developement02:50
pdanekphlixi: they received another round funding of 70 million02:52
pdanek70 million is a lot for just ROM02:52
pdanekJolla survived on 10M to mantain complete OS02:52
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coderusPowermenu2 update: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/powermenu-205:14
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tbrthat's kinda neat, if I'd have the money to throw away.09:59
tbrhttp://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Chuwi-Hi10-Dual-OS-Windows-10-Android-5-1-Tablet-PC-Intel-Cherry-Trai-Z8300-10/1818735_32468463380.html?spm=5261.7726059.0.36.7LhBVQ09:59
tbrI guess I'll have to find my exopc and see if I can resurrect it's x86 adaptation and try sailfish on that for a lovely slowwwwwwwww experience10:00
locusfheh cool :)10:02
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minimectbr: This with sailfishOS ;) http://www.trustedreviews.com/lenovo-yoga-tab-3-pro-review10:20
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tbrminimec: if someone sends me one, I'd do the hw adaptation :)10:21
minimectbr: Yeah... ;)10:22
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locusfis it pure? (non-hybris)10:54
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* Stskeeps wouldn't buy a from the shop x86 tablet10:56
TofeStskeeps: fear of locked bootloader ? :)10:56
StskeepsTofe: UEFI makes a grown man cry10:57
TofeAh, yes, that I'm not surprised10:57
TofeIt's like wine: always test (or taste) before buying10:58
nh1402whats wrong with UEFI?10:58
Stskeepsbut also the customizations done to hw10:59
Stskeepsie it's likely that drivers are modded10:59
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wmarone_UEFI is a beast that is bigger than it should be11:06
tbrjust take off and nuke it from orbit to be sure and then land and replace it with U-Boot11:07
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tbrit just works11:07
wmarone_caveat being that even ARM is pushing UEFI11:11
tbrARM Ltd, but not the community11:12
wmarone_as they move to a more x86 style system configuration, which is actually good for getting away from device-specific kernels11:12
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tbrthat has nothing to do with UEFI but more with DT and ACPI11:13
tbrboth work11:13
wmarone_yes11:13
wmarone_but vendors will only get support for it via UEFI11:14
tbrif you are talking about servers11:14
wmarone_or mobile devices11:14
tbrI don't see UEFI on ARM outside the server space11:14
wmarone_every Windows phone device ships with it11:14
wmarone_newer Nexus devices are as well, IIRC11:14
tbrso far what I see is that UEFI takes ages on AArgh64 boards to materialize, while U-Boot ports take literally days11:16
tbrAnd that's for Linaro pushed things11:16
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nh1402you would rather use a 40 year old BIOS system, than UEFI?11:24
* tbr hasn't mentioned BIOS anywhere11:25
Stskeeps"New startup aims to transfer people's consciousness into artificial bodies so they can live forever"11:25
Stskeepswell, at least they're not crowdfunding11:25
tbrany mentions of soylent green in that context?11:26
Stskeeps"After death, the company will cryogenically freeze members’ brains until the technology is fully developed, at which point the brains will be implanted into an artificial body."11:26
tbrrrrrrright11:26
tbrinb4 "Head Museum"11:26
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nh1402sounds like someone got obsessed with the Self/Less film11:27
nh1402like, really obsessed11:27
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nadrieltbr: Gives a new meaning for "head manager"12:03
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* tbr was referring to the Futurama thing, btw12:05
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nh1402tbr: I know.12:07
tbr:)12:07
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Morpogfastboot devices sees my Jolla tablet, now it just needs a flashable zip :)12:14
Stskeepsoh god, if it only was that easy12:15
Morpogbtw, was it intentionally to leave the factory image on the tablet?12:16
Stskeepsyes12:16
Stskeepselse how can it factory reset?12:16
Stskeepshaving it seperate from fs is good12:16
Stskeepsoh right, you actually got it12:16
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Stskeepswe learnt that in jolla1 days that factory image as part of main fs was a horrible, horrible idea :12:17
Stskeeps:)12:17
Morpogforgot there is no btrfs on this ;)12:18
coderusno qualcomm = no btrfs :)12:18
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coderuspeace world12:18
tbrStskeeps: should have used ZFS! ;)12:18
Stskeepstbr: i would if i could have rationalized it license wise12:19
coderustbr: oh no, there is more better fs than zfs, isnt it?12:19
Stskeepstbr: using zfs extensively myself12:19
tbrStskeeps: yeah, licensing is...12:19
tbrI'm tempted to use ZoL for some storage applications12:20
coderusor just provide some "community" way to reformat in different fs :D12:20
tbrStskeeps: I hope my mail on the dev list didn't rub people the wrong way.12:21
* tbr checks inbox. still no death threats, so probably not.12:22
ggabrielisn't zfs a bit too much for embedded?12:22
Stskeepstbr: i no longer represent jolla, so i'm not one at least12:22
Stskeeps:P12:22
Stskeepstime to go smear some shit on the internet..12:23
Stskeeps:P12:23
tbrlol12:23
ortylpStskeeps: :D12:23
ggabrieltbr: you responding to that meeting minutes thread?12:23
kimmoliwaits recovery image being in ipfs12:23
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Yanielis xmpp supposed to work on 2.0.0.10?12:23
ggabrielYaniel: works for me for gtalk, although google is funny with auth these days12:24
Stskeepskimmoli: makes me wonder when the first android roms will be hosted in ipfs12:24
Yanieltrying with the slack xmpp gateway and but no luck so far12:24
ortylpYaniel: xmpp has worked from the very beginning12:24
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tbrggabriel: yea12:25
ggabrieltbr: you're brave :)12:25
kimmoliStskeeps: multiboot from ipfs?12:25
Stskeepsin fact, i'd welcome ipfs roms, compared to 'download from shady file sharing site'12:26
Stskeeps:P12:26
Stskeepsnot to mention you get the hash you wanted12:26
tbrggabriel: I don't really follow that lits, but happened to check and the statements in that thread were just too far out12:26
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sharixAhoi, any sofiasip/mc-tool experts arround?12:59
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tbrsharix: what's your problem?13:08
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sharixtbr: Thanks, multipe ;-) Gettig the big pictoure for making SIP possible, Currently I get dorpped calls after answering becaus SDP response hast audio port set to 'o'. Also, mc-tool downs't work here on 2.0.0.1013:10
tbrsharix: keep in mind, that SIP is still officially broken. I'm not sure how far you can get on 2.013:11
sharixtbr: I read that answering calls at leas should work. Usually I can help myself with little coding, but I don't know any of the telepathy/rakia/sofiasip nesting :-( How does the JP dial app attach to these components?13:13
tbrhmm my testing-phone is still on 1.1.9 - time to upgrade that and retest current state of SIP13:13
locusfdid you try the official package?13:13
tbryeah, there should be an accounts UI for SIP13:14
* tbr needs to try it after his device is done with the 2.0 dance, currently doing the intermediate upgrade13:14
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sharixYes, the jolla-accounts-settings-sip extension is installed and some settings work, but not all. That's why I wanted to check out mc-toos, but they just report "Failed to connect to D-Bus: Using X11 for dbus-daemon autolaunch was disabled at compile time, set your DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS instead"13:17
tbrexecuting that as nemo?13:18
sharixtbr: *doh*, yu're right of course. Took the wrong session....13:19
sharixtbr: thanks, will play with mc-tool, but I guess I need to get more D-Bus understanding first... Always avoided that :-( (on FreeBSD)13:22
tbrno need to for SIP13:23
sharixI thougth all that rakia/telepathy communication goes vir Dbsu?13:23
sharixD-Bus?13:23
tbrsure, but you don't have to speak d-bus yourself. that's what e.g. mc-tool and the telephony UI are for13:24
sharixWhat is the tlepathy-UI?13:24
tbrthe dialer application13:24
tbrno idea if that got fixed13:25
tbrit used to crash and burn on SIP call disconnect13:25
sharixAh, ic. The I'd have to hack the dialaer application to make it speaking to arkia, theoretically. Thus needing to know something about D-Bus :-(13:25
sharixOr is the dailer app clsed source?13:26
tbrthe dialer is proprietary13:30
tbrthere is an older open source drop in replacement13:30
tbrI've used the Nemo dialer to verify that SIP calls can be made13:30
sharixGreat to know. Do you know how it's pakacge is called?13:31
sharixvoicecall-ui-reference13:32
sharix?13:32
tbrdon't remember, might be13:33
tbror qmlsomething13:33
sharixThanks, at least I know that hacking JP-dialer isn't an option. And I will try to continue with the nemo dialer. But probably next year. Spent much to much time trying to get the JP doing it's very basic job ;-(13:36
tbrmeh, SIP settings foo wasn't rebuilt for the jolla-settings-accounts-extensions version in 2.013:37
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tbroh well. mc-tool time, I know how to do that13:40
locusfoh yeah glacier dialer should be finished up too13:40
sharixtbr: jolla-settings-accounts-extensions only depends on telepathy-rakia-0.7.4+git1-1.2.5.armv7hl ?13:41
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tbrlocusf: I hope it will be accounts aware :)13:42
locusftbr: I should make it first ... :p13:42
tbrsharix: no idea13:42
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sharixThe UI is useless for me, the auth-username always get's stripped from the account name, regardless if "extra authentication user name" was set. I don't hav an idea what that should be good for. But my auth-username is different from the account LHS...13:44
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sharixSorry, another question: Thought mc-tool is a tool for libaccounts-glib. But it lists only telepathy-based accounts!? Are therer CLI-tools bfor avery account type?13:54
tbrdon't think so13:54
tbrmc-tool is telepathy only13:55
sharixOMG, I still don't get the idea :-( Will have to learn a lot...13:55
sharixOk, there's ag-tool :-)13:57
tbr:)13:57
sharixOMG, and again, passwords in clear:14:00
sharixag-tool list-settings 2714:00
sharixdefault_credentials_username = 74@pbx.mydomain.net14:00
sharixJolla/segregated_credentials/Jolla = 2514:00
sharixCredentialsId = 2514:00
sharixenabled = true14:00
sharixname = 74@pbx.mydomain.net14:00
sharix                sip14:00
sharixtelepathy/NormalizedName = sip:74@pbx.mydomain.net14:00
sharixtelepathy/manager = sofiasip14:00
sharixCredentialsId = 2514:00
sharixtelepathy/AutomaticPresence = 0;;;14:00
sharixtelepathy/param-extra-auth-passowrd = cleartext14:00
sharixtelepathy/param-keepalive-interval = 014:00
sharixtelepathy/param-local-port = 506014:00
sharixtelepathy/param-account = 74@pbx.mydomain.net14:00
sharixtelepathy/param-resource = Jolla14:00
sharixauth/method = password14:01
sharixtelepathy/protocol = sip14:01
sharixtelepathy/param-extra-auth-user = user@device14:01
sharixtelepathy/Nickname = 74@pbx.mydomain.net14:01
sharixenabled = true14:01
sharixtelepathy/ConnectAutomatically = true14:01
sharixauth/mechanism = password14:01
sharixtelepathy/HasBeenOnline = true14:01
sharixtelepathy/mc-account-name = sofiasip/sip/sip_2714:01
sharix~14:01
Lieke_pastebin please...14:01
sharix*Sorry*14:01
tbrdamn this one still looks cute: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Onda-V820w-CH-Intel-Cherry-Trail-Atom-X5-Z8300-8-inch-1280-800-IPS-Screen-Windows/32500149171.html14:05
tbrif only I could be sure that I'll get UEFI to boot what I want14:06
sharixtbr: Intel get's EFI to boot what Intel wants!!!14:06
sharix;-)=14:07
tbrthe embedded things can have quite a customized Tianocore UEFI14:07
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tbralso getting the display and some of the other hardware to work under linux might be "fun"14:08
sharixA friend an me wanted to start hacking on (U)EFI, but SMM and time contraints don't allow :-(14:08
sharixBty. I checked the JP becaus I need a present for my wife (S60v5). Always have to tell her: No, sorry, Puh won't live on your phony14:09
tbrget a minnowboard max. all the haxx0ring you can possibly want is possible and it's easy to recover with a SPI programmer14:09
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sharixMaybe Lumia 550 will be an option, what do you think?14:10
tbrno idea14:10
sharixminnowboard, can't remeber ever having had a look on it. Thanks, will check14:10
tbrget the Turbot version14:10
tbrit's got 3.3V SPI EEPROM, easier to deal with than the 1.8V on the original max14:11
sharixOk, it's just a new name :-)14:11
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sharixThanks for the hint! But we buried that project :-( Would be my absolute favourite hobby project, but no time for hobby :-(14:13
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* kimmoli blames tbr14:15
Stskeepstbr: i think teclast x98 is one of the more hackable14:16
tbrStskeeps: just found out that those things seem to ship 32bit UEFI because of some windows crap bug14:18
Stskeepsugh14:18
Stskeepsat least the uefi on the er, rare, jolla tablet, has a 64bit uefi14:18
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tbrhttp://www.ondaforum.com/topic/3103-linux-graphics-wifi-touchscreen-acclerometer-drivers-for-v820w/14:19
tbrsomeone got something working14:20
tbrwonder if 64bit14:20
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HtheBcoderus: thnx14:37
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Venemohave you guys seen this thread? https://together.jolla.com/question/123255/issue-1-jolla-survival-plan-failure-is-not-an-option/15:36
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tbrgee, such misconception, much fud, no understanding, wow15:52
SQUelchertbr: good doge!15:55
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tbrw00f!15:55
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entil"Partner up with Nokia and sell them Sailfish OS as a 3rd option." whoah, that's why I didn't get rich with the startup, I didn't just unilaterally decide on partnerships with big players :O16:26
entilman I wish someone told me I can just partner up with someone16:26
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cehtehhaha16:33
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MikaelaIs anyone using WeeChat Android? Are you able to get notification sounds and if yes, how did you get them?17:55
Venemotbr: at least they are trying to think positively17:56
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tbrVenemo: sure, I just don't see any sense in the small scale ideas.17:56
Venemotbr: me either, unfortunately17:57
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tbrI'm hoping they get their funding somehow, not much more to do17:59
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ggabrieluhm... caldav has gone a long way since the last time I was paying attention18:03
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