#jollamobile log for Tuesday, 2015-12-01

Aciidpdanek: whats this phone? Ive never heard of iot00:06
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Laxtlo_mutta tää jollan irc clientti on kyllä päällikkö06:40
Jopesaisikohan siihen yhden pulley menun viel jotenkin ;-)06:41
dr_gogeta86?06:41
Jopedon't worry, it's Finnish - the only language worth learning06:41
SQUelcherUnbreakable encryption!06:42
mattaustinI got "irc clientti" and "pulley menun" :)06:44
dr_gogeta86Jope: if my contractor help me to go there sometimes is ok06:45
dr_gogeta86but the hlk office is full of people06:45
Jope:-)06:45
dr_gogeta86when is next community meeting?06:48
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citylight2I was looking for some news yesterday. noticed Jolla changed their office. any other news?08:00
Yanieldepends on how much you know08:01
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citylight2I know about the blog.jolla.com last post08:01
Yanielnothing notable since that08:02
citylight2so I guess we wont see a new phone any time soon. can I run sail os on a newsus 5x?08:03
phlixi_except, we now have december08:03
phlixi_maybe an intex phone in jan.08:03
citylight2what is the most advanced hadware to run sailos on?08:03
citylight2is the intex phone in progress?08:04
phlixi_jolla phone if you would like to have android app support08:04
phlixi_without android app support, idk, i guess nexus 508:04
phlixi_however, i got an nexus 5 for work stuff (its on the office desk for testing), and i would not like that as my actual mobile phone08:05
phlixi_to me it feels like a cheap piece of crappy plastic08:07
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phlixi_on the other hand, i have an iphone for the same reasons, and i think the metal is really slippery... dangerous, since due to the small size you think you can handle that with one hand08:08
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phlixi_the jolla lies well in your hand (although i still prefer n9 in that respect^^)08:09
Devaux1You can get a Xiaomi Mi 4c with 3GB RAM and 32GB Storage for about $25008:09
Devaux1But yes, it's Android08:10
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tillyay... got whatsup blocked...10:57
dr_gogeta86mine still works10:57
Nicd-I'm using whatsapp from my IRC client, just waiting to be banned :P10:58
coderususe android10:58
tilli tried some group administration, seems correctly implemented10:58
Nicd-I don't have dalvik on my phone and don't plan on installing it either10:58
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coderusthats your choice11:00
Nicd-I just set it up for fun anyway, not a big deal if I get banned. should set up notifications from my IRC client to phone though11:01
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coderushaving dalvik just for 1-2 apps is easy. you can always stop dalvi service11:04
ggabrielI have to agree with coderus11:04
ggabrielhowerver, for an "app" that you use all the time, things may change11:05
ggabrielI wouldn't use whatsapp all the time though11:05
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Nicd-I would keep it on all the time11:06
dr_gogeta86coderus, i still missing the quality of mitakuuluu 211:06
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Nicd-not much point in a messaging service where people can't reach me (in my usage)11:07
ggabrielNicd-: the best feature of a messaging service is that you can reach people, not the other way around :P11:07
Nicd-ggabriel: maybe it's just me but I want them to be able to reach me too :)11:08
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* ggabriel laughs in an evil way11:08
Nicd-I mean, otherwise might as well keep disconnecting from IRC too11:08
ggabrieldoesn't whatsapp have offline messaging?11:09
Nicd-I don't think so because when I fired up my IRC-whatsapp system I got a ton of old messages11:11
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coderusdr_gogeta86: i know, but i'm almost gived up watching whatsapp constantly changing many things from update to update11:12
ggabrielpretty crap if it doesn't support that11:12
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ggabrielon a completely unrelated note, I kind of like sandisk's rma site... they give you the estiamted delivery date in epoc11:19
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phlixi_oand will you get yours before or after 1970?11:39
ggabrieldef after :P11:39
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s5pik3Hi guys! Maybe this was asked before but, somebody knows here what's going on with the delivery of the phones? I ordered mine a couple of week before and status doesn't change. So if anyone here some infos about that to enlighten me?11:57
Nicd-the company is in debt restructuring11:59
Nicd-dunno what daily operations are running11:59
phlixi_oaccording to meeting phone shipments should be processed... write an email to care@jolla.com12:00
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ln-isn't care@jolla.com closed since who knows how long ago12:01
s5pik3yes thank you, I will to that12:01
s5pik3oh12:01
s5pik3well12:01
ln-all you will get a is an automated reply that points you to... zendesk or whatever12:01
s5pik3I guess, I can and see what happends12:02
s5pik3I can try*12:02
ln-happens*12:03
s5pik3oh yes, thanks ^^'12:03
cybettes5pik3: more direct - create a care request here https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new12:07
s5pik3thanks cybette !12:07
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CoolgeekI think they have logistic issue (that's what they told me in a current ticket opened at zendesk)12:14
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cehtehis it possible to set the threshold for connman to switch wifi networks earlier?13:58
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cehtehas now it only reconnects when the connection is lost or?13:58
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caitlinbwhat’s the little hole on the opposite side of the usb hole to the headphone hole?14:41
caitlinbtill i know, i shall call it “the blow hole”14:42
cehtehmicrophone i'd guess14:42
caitlinbi’d expect taht down at the butt end of the phone, but possibly noise cancelling?14:43
cehtehyes14:43
tbrit has two microphones14:43
cehtehmost phones have 2 mics14:43
cehtehone for you, the other for the NSA14:44
tbralso not sure about current state, but for making SIP calls you actually need to hold the phone "wrong" (i.e. upside down) as audio will be routed to speaker and ambient microphone...14:44
cehtehwtf14:45
coderusbecause there is no complete sip solution yet14:46
cehtehwhy has the phone so much fuckups :D14:46
caitlinbbecause it’s AWESOME14:46
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coderuseverybody like challenges, isn't it? :)14:51
tbrif someone wants to, they can fix the audio routing for SIP, it might including fixing up some PROLOG policy code...14:52
phlixi_ounlike the good old times, nobody will notice that you hold you phone wrong14:52
coderusthey will. camera at the bottom :)14:55
phlixi_oi am sure there are otherhalfs where you can not the cam,14:57
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phlixi_o...see...14:57
phlixi_o:D14:57
ggabrieli admit that i tried to take a picture with the keyboard on a few times :P15:00
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cehtehtbr: i know prolog :)15:05
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tbrcehteh: do iiiiit!15:12
cehtehmaybe .. i only know from the n900 that there was some prolog policy thingy, but never looked closer15:13
cehtehand i have now a android sip thing15:13
cehtehbut i may try to get native sip running soon15:13
ggabrielproper prolog or you mean the rules are similar to how prolog works?15:13
cehtehggabriel: the policy system uses swi prolog15:14
cehtehforgotten the name15:14
ggabrielthat's interesting in a very geeky way, thanks15:14
cehtehnot only similar .. real prolog!15:14
the_mgtthat is really nerdy indeed15:15
cehtehwhen i thought years ago about a app similar to 'situations' i wanted to do it in prolog as well15:15
the_mgtany links?15:15
cehtehtbr might know ...15:15
the_mgtI think plain logics might be too strict15:16
ggabrieli know how to order white and black beans with prolog, which is basically what they used to test when i was in uni. that was what prolog was for15:16
the_mgtI currently have a lecture where we use Datalog15:16
the_mgtthat's why I installed prolog about a week ago15:16
tbrthere should be a resource policy package15:19
tbrhttps://git.merproject.org/mer-core/policy-settings-common/tree/common/basic/policy15:22
tbrapparently this stuff came out of nokia research center. I suspect some scientistc just was fond of prolog and that's how it stuck.15:24
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cehtehits really a good language for that15:30
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the_mgtprobably the easiest way to do deductive reasoning15:30
cehtehwould be nice to investigate if gnu prolog could be used because it compiles natively, but i dont know which arm platforms are supported15:30
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Lipevakala_Hmm, new app in Sailfish Store so somebody is indeed working.....19:06
ln-it's possible to set a release date in the future for an app.19:07
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Lipevakala_Its only in Chinese but I liked it anyway....19:12
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fluxtbr, I actually think this is actually right in the center of prolog's domain.. lots of rules to decide what to do.20:21
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tbrk20:33
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cos-argh.. sailimgur refuses to upload again21:50
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