Thursday, 2020-04-30

*** jblanc is now known as julienb06:59
*** ChanServ sets mode: +o Jaymzz07:20
*** Jaymzz sets mode: +o sailbot_07:48
JaymzzLet's start :)08:00
Jaymzz#startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration – 30th of April 202008:00
sailbot_Meeting started Thu Apr 30 08:00:21 2020 UTC. The chair is Jaymzz. Information about MeetBot at
sailbot_Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.08:00
*** sailbot_ changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration – 30th of April 2020)"08:00
Jaymzz#info Meeting information and agenda can be found here:
JaymzzI am the meeting’s chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please behave, respect the timings and be gentle.08:00
Jaymzz#topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with # info08:00
*** sailbot_ changes topic to "Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with # info (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration – 30th of April 2020)"08:00
Jaymzz#info James Noori - sailor @ Jolla08:00
cartron#info Nico Cartron - SFOS user/fan08:01
ViGe#info Ville Nummela - sailor @ Jolla08:01
abranson#info Andrew Branson - sailor08:02
piggz_#info piggz - Community porter08:02
dcaliste#info Damien Caliste, community08:03
flypig#info David Llewellyn-Jones - sailor @ jolla08:03
pasik#info Pasi Karkkainen, community08:03
julienb#info julienb, app developer  and user08:04
nekron_mobile#info Nekron, community and devop08:05
Jaymzzfirst topic coming up08:06
Jaymzz#topic improve support of using multiple address books (10 min – asked by julienb )08:06
*** sailbot_ changes topic to "improve support of using multiple address books (10 min – asked by julienb ) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration – 30th of April 2020)"08:06
Jaymzz#info The current state of contacts management, regarding the use of several different and separate address book (typical case, personal contacts and work contacts) is far from being usable on a daily basis. The issue is described in detail here : . With 3.3 nextcloud support, and the fact that nextcloud natively supports multiple carddav accounts08:06
Jaymzzfor a single user, this issue is expected to come more often, as users may expect the same behaviour for contacts as they have for calendars (working with multiple calendars works perfectly). Currently, creating a new contact in the people app results in a new contact being created in all carddav accounts, which can quickly become messy.08:06
JaymzzAnd here comes the answer:08:06
Jaymzz#info We have acknowledged the situation and there is planned work on this, but we have no schedule to publish on this.08:07
Nico[m]#info Nico, community and app dev08:07
julienbWell, that’s nice to hear :)08:08
Jaymzzyeah :) anything more to add?08:08
julienbis there some community effort that could help increase the likelyhood of it being scheduled ?08:08
JaymzzI can definitely bring that up internally, but at this stage I do not have a direct answer to that.08:09
julienbi mean, i could do some development on it if the issue is currently lack of manpower08:09
JaymzzIf you can, then go for it!! why not? it definitely helps :)08:09
julienbbut since all the people part is not open source, it means it’s a bit tricky.08:10
flypigSome parts of the stack are open (qtcontacts-sqlite, nemo-qml-plugin-contacts and libcontacts).08:10
ApBBBjulienb you can contact people at jolla and get the nessesary permisions etc to do work on most parts of the OS i think08:10
flypigI'm not sure whether that's enough to do something useful though (it might be, I'm just not sure!).08:10
ApBBBi don't remember who you have to contact though08:11
ApBBBi think it was joona petrel;08:11
julienbyes indeed. I had a quick look, but currently i did not find an easy way to integrate this. I need to study this deeper, though08:11
dcalistejulienb, you can start to figure out what are the missing bits in the open source middle ware to store the addressbook when saving a contact.08:13
dcalisteThen, you can hack a bit the QML to have some crude working way to select the address book in UI.08:14
julienbwell, actually, this information is somewhat already stored, since it kinda works in some scenarios (if you unlink properly all contacts)08:14
dcalisteWith these you can contact Joona Petrell to see if you can sign an NDA to officially include your hacks into the closed parts.08:14
dcalisteWell, I don't know a clue of these parts of code, maybe the middleware support already this.08:15
julienbok, thanks for this. I’ll contact him/her when i have a working prototype (or if i can identify some missing required functions)08:15
Jaymzzjulienb: hit me up if you couldn't find Joona :)08:16
Jaymzzwe shall move on if there is nothing more to discuss julienb08:16
dcalistejulienb, exactly, no need to be very polished, just show that you know which bits to move to have it working. I'm speaking from my own experience, but I'm sure that in that case you will be heard and helped from Jolla side.08:17
Jaymzztime is up for this one. moving on in a moment08:18
julienbgot itk than.s08:19
Jaymzz#topic Jolla & Jala Group's Sailfish OS Beta Program status (10 min – asked by Rigoberto Calleja )08:19
*** sailbot_ changes topic to "Jolla & Jala Group's Sailfish OS Beta Program status (10 min – asked by Rigoberto Calleja ) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration – 30th of April 2020)"08:19
Jaymzz#info 1.- On February 27, 2017 Jala Group announced a strategic alliance with Jolla to enable ACCIONE smartphones to use Sailfish OS. 2.- On October 13, 2017 Jolla and Jala Group announced the Sailfish OS Beta Program: a development initiative aimed ultimately at developing a mobile operating system specifically designed for Latin American needs. The goal of the first phase of the program was to gather user input and start de08:19
Jaymzzveloping local code and applications for Sailfish OS. 3.- On February 22, 2019 Jala Group announced the start of Sailfish OS beta tests for ACCIONE P smartphone users. ( 4.- No new information has been released about the status of the program08:19
JaymzzThe answer to this one is very simple, and doesn't need much discussion either.08:19
Jaymzz#info Unfortunately we cannot comment on behalf of our partners.08:19
Jaymzzand that's just the reality of it. So I'll move on in a second from this topic to general discussion08:20
Jaymzz  #topic general discussion (20 min)08:20
Jaymzz#topic general discussion (20 min)08:20
*** sailbot_ changes topic to "general discussion (20 min) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration – 30th of April 2020)"08:20
piggz_Jaymzz: my inbox is still empty ;)08:21
ApBBBanything exciting to share :D08:21
ApBBBi see an issue with my community ported phone and i'll ask her in case someone can point up to a solution08:23
rinigusJaymzz: what about replies to piggz assembled questions? If they are not in his inbox...08:23
nekron_mobileI saw recent activity on gecko ESR 52 repository. How are the plans from Jolla regarding this? Is it a inmediate step for a more recent rendering engine?08:23
Nico[m]Anyone noticed that sometimes when unlocking the device, qml applications get dimmed?08:23
piggz_Nico[m]: yeah, ive had that a few times....08:24
ApBBBwhen starting an app in some cases it gets stuck in tile form and never starts. you circumvent that by taping on the tile. any ideas what might be the cause of it??08:24
nobodyinpersonNico[m]: Same. But very rarely.08:24
piggz_happened yesterday with the camera, i though there was dirt in the lense as the picture was terrible, but it was just dim08:25
flypigI don't think I've experienced that myself. Sounds odd.08:25
Nico[m]piggz_: good to hear, that it's not just me going crazy :D08:25
rinigusNico: is it dimmed or oom killer?08:25
nobodyinpersonApBBB: That can have a lot of reasons. Best to launch the app from terminal an check the output.08:25
piggz_dimmed.. still active08:25
flypigOr auto brightness?08:25
ApBBBnekron_mobile in theory if the compositor supported the latest xgd protocol for wayland and with rinigus flatpack work we could probably have latest firefox (since they release it as a flatpack)08:26
piggz_no, its like parially translucent08:26
piggz_not darker08:26
Nico[m]rinigus: Dimmed. If you try to swipe it away, it gets visible for a short time08:26
Nico[m]It's basically as if the opacity is changed for the whole qml app08:26
ApBBBnobodyinperson i'll give this a try08:26
nekron_mobileApBBB: Yep I already using flatpak which is great :)  so Wayland extension is the showstopper here, guess we have to wait08:27
Nico[m]Only way to fix it is to restart the app, I think08:27
piggz_here is an idea .... what about printer support ... atleast for modern 'driverless' printers ... i feel its a bit of a miss on sfos, would be nice to print photos/docs08:27
ApBBBits not only the compositor as far as i understand. its that qt started supporting the latest protocol after 5.1008:27
abransonquickddit does the dimming thing too. the text goes translucent08:28
ApBBBpiggz_ is there an app for that??08:28
Nico[m]piggz_: Someone worked on a printing app, last I heard08:28
flypigPrinting could be supported through the sharing api, for known formats, maybe?08:28
pasikApBBB: yeah we need Qt 5.12 :)08:29
Jaymzzrinigus: Hi sorry I had to leave my desk for a second08:29
Nico[m]pasik: Oh, that topic again :D08:30
pasikNico[m]: :)08:30
piggz_ill check out printing apps08:30
Jaymzzpiggz_: rinigus: I have been trying to get proper answers for your questions, but have not been able to get something useful yet. That's why I have not sent anything to you yet.08:30
piggz_Jaymzz: np, keep trying :)08:30
rinigusJaymzz , that's a shame...08:31
abransoni think cups is already in the repos. not sure if it's functional though.08:31
rinigusPlease keep asking08:31
Jaymzzpiggz_: It's not easy and at this stage I can't promise anything either... :(08:31
ApBBBpasik the sad part is that there isnt any info on a qt update08:31
Jaymzzpiggz_: I'll compose an email to you with what I currently have and will discuss it further with you on email first :)08:32
piggz_Jaymzz: thx, hopefully somethign to start from :)08:33
Jaymzzpiggz_: anytime08:35
Nico[m]This is a quiet general discussion this week :D08:35
ViGeseaprint is a nice app08:35
ApBBBNico[m] i can start ranting about design stuff  :P08:35
flypigHow does seaprint work?08:36
Nico[m]design stuff?08:36
Nico[m]I hope sailfish can get better bt audio codecs at some point :308:36
ViGeflypig: It just does ;) It detects the printers in your network and then you can print files. Really simple.08:36
Nico[m]But since the pulseaudio modules are not really finished yet, I'm not holding my breath08:36
piggz_ViGe: sounds great08:37
flypigYou select the file in the app, it prints? Sounds good.08:37
flypigThanks ApBBB.08:37
flypigMy printer is socially distant from me right now, sadly :(08:37
abransonoh that's nice08:37
ApBBBflypig i am not sure it supports every format though08:37
ViGeflypig: unfortunately it only allows you to print those formats which the printer says it supports.08:37
pasikNico[m]: there has been some upstream activity on the pulseaudio bt codecs front recently, some of the preparatory patches are merged, but the actual important patches are still under review08:38
flypigPresumably that includes pdf though? So anything that can be converted can be printed.08:38
ViGeflypig: if your printer says it supports pdf08:38
Nico[m]Yeah, I don't think it does any transcoding of files for printing (yet maybe?)08:38
abransonoh it doesn't depend on cups or anything. implements all that ipp itself. that's really good.08:39
flypigYes, I see. I expect most printers probably do.08:39
abransonbrb installing08:39
piggz_is it packaged anywhere?08:39
Nico[m]pasik: You mean pulseaudio upstream? Yeah, I'm following that with excitement. The biggest issue still is that it doesn't seem to work, when you enable the microphone atm :D08:39
ApBBBi'll just remind you all that printing is bad for the environment :P08:39
ViGeflypig: Mine doesn't. It does support pdf, but it doesn't advertise it to network :(08:39
pasikNico[m]: yeah pulseaudio upstream08:39
abransonpiggz_: in the store!08:39
piggz_ViGe: how old is it?????08:39
ViGepiggz_: bought it last week08:40
piggz_abranson: oh, i usually check openrepos!08:40
piggz_ViGe: is it dot matrix?08:40
flypighaha :D08:40
Nico[m]ApBBB: Sometimes you just need to print something out, so that you can see whats wrong with your paper :D08:40
ViGepiggz_: brother DCP-L3550CDW08:40
piggz_ive just got a canon a few weeks ago and its great, havnt had to install any drivers on linux/windows/andoid/ios08:41
pasikNico[m]: Pali (the author of those pulseaudio/bt codecs patches) is also working on HFP/HSP profiles stuff08:41
flypigDoes Storeman work on the latest release?08:41
abransonsomeone should tell attah that everyone's raving about his printing app in here08:41
pasikNico[m]: but yeah, it's still very much a work-in-progress08:41
piggz_abranson: ill rave if it works08:41
ApBBBany work from jolla on the email app lately??08:41
Nico[m]pasik: Sounds exciting! Thanks :D08:42
abransonApBBB: yes, and it's really, really cool :D08:42
piggz_ViGe: it supports adding printers manually08:42
ApBBBabranson <308:42
ViGepiggz_: yes, but it still prints only the formats which the printer says it accepts. In case of my brother, that means only jpeg :(08:42
ApBBBand since pulse awas mentioned it would be cool if we could select output on the media app08:42
dcalisteApBBB, for emails, with flypig, we added support for "folder subscription" in IMAP, or whatever it is called.08:43
dcalisteIt's in
flypigAh yes, good point dcaliste. Thanks to your good work.08:44
ApBBBdcaliste the layout of the app  is what i find extremely annoying08:44
piggz_probably helps if i tunr on my printer, and wifi on phone :/08:44
ApBBBplus selection from email text08:44
dcalisteApBBB, I'm not much bothered by the layout myself, sorry...08:45
dcalisteAh, selection will come at one moment.08:45
dcalisteIt's worked on (not by me) at least.08:45
JaymzzTime is up for this one :)08:47
JaymzzI don't see much going on so I'm moving it08:47
abransoncan't add my printer :(08:47
ApBBBabranson file a bug08:47
piggz_with pritning support an actual thing, it might be worth porting my report library08:47
piggz_abranson: cant find mine wither!08:47
ApBBBthere is a manual option08:48
abransoni'm trying to add mine manually. i have the url from the printer, but the accept option is still greyed out08:48
Jaymzzaight, a few more minutes :)08:48
ViGeabranson: I only have to give the IP address when adding manually, as soon as I have typed it the app "finds" it08:49
abransonViGe: doesn't work with only the IP either08:49
Jaymzzalright moving on now08:51
Jaymzz#topic next meeting time and date (5 min)08:51
*** sailbot_ changes topic to "next meeting time and date (5 min) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration – 30th of April 2020)"08:51
Jaymzz#info Next meeting will be held on May 14th 2020 at 08:00 UTC08:51
JaymzzAnd I thank you all for attending today's meeting :) ending the meeting in a moment08:51
sailbot_Meeting ended Thu Apr 30 08:52:31 2020 UTC.08:52
sailbot_ Minutes:
sailbot_ Minutes (text):
sailbot_ Log:
*** sailbot_ changes topic to "Next meeting will be held on Thursday Apr 30th 2020 at 08:00 UTC. Topics can be created here:"08:52
piggz_abranson: ViGe: i ran it from the terminal, and it clearly see my printer but doesnt add it, ill file a bug08:53
flypigCool. It finds my printer over VPN from Finland to the UK. Now I can "fax" messages to my family :)08:53
Nico[m]Thanks for the meeting :308:54
abransonpiggz_: yeah, same here. though i think I might have its hostname set wrong08:54
Nico[m]flypig: Sounds like fun. Start sending messages like "Help, I'm stuck in the printer" immediately!08:54
ViGeflypig: :D08:54
flypigNico[m], yes, in the middle of the night...08:54
flypigViGe, my printer also only supports JPEG, sadly.08:54
ApBBBflypig sent scarry pics08:55
abransonpiggz_: I had to stop the printer requiring ssl, then i could add it as http. i think autodiscovery isn't working because I have a local domain rather than 'local'09:18
abransonand the printer doesn't let me change that09:18
abransondon't know bonjour though09:18
abransonanyway, i can print stuff!09:19
piggz_abranson: awesome09:22
piggz_i no longer have a local domain since a got a mesh network .... which is great, except its no where as configurable as my openwrt router09:23
abransonactually no. it doesn't work. will file a bug.09:24
*** vgtw_ is now known as vgtw12:33

Generated by 2.17.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at!