| Crabster | morning | 07:49 |
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| rainemak | good morning | 07:56 |
| ExTechOp | Good Morning, everyone! | 07:59 |
| rainemak | #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 9th Nov 2023 | 08:00 |
| sailbot | Meeting started Thu Nov 9 08:00:04 2023 UTC. The chair is rainemak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| sailbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 08:00 |
| rainemak | #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here: | 08:00 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-9th-november-2023/17180 | 08:00 |
| rainemak | I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive. | 08:00 |
| rainemak | #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info | 08:00 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 9th Nov 2023)" | 08:00 | |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 9th Nov 2023)" | 08:00 | |
| rainemak | #info Raine Mäkeläinen, sailor @ Jolla, chairperson today | 08:00 |
| ExTechOp | #info Otto Mäkelä, community | 08:00 |
| Crabster | #info Crabster - lurker | 08:01 |
| flypig | #info David Llewellyn-Jones, community | 08:02 |
| dr4Ke | #info dr4Ke, community | 08:03 |
| Nico | #info Nico, community | 08:04 |
| rainemak | let's move to the first topic | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #topic Add a new tag not-reproducible to the category bug reports (5mins -- asked by pherjung) | 08:05 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Add a new tag not-reproducible to the category bug reports (5mins -- asked by pherjung) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 9th Nov 2023)" | 08:05 | |
| rainemak | #info <pherjung> Some details about the topic: Some bug reports are well written | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <pherjung> and easily reproducible, but only with specific conditions. Until | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <pherjung> these conditions are found, such a tag would be a nice to have. | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Thank you for this suggestion. This is sounds like a good idea. | 08:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Are there other tags that we should add? | 08:05 |
| rainemak | I think tag should be called 'non-reproducible'. How does that sound like? | 08:05 |
| Nico | Well, it is reproducible apparently, so something like "rare" or so maybe would fit more, but it doesn't sound like a bug only tag :D | 08:07 |
| rainemak | I'm not sure but those discourse tags might be bound to categories. But you're right. | 08:07 |
| rainemak | Imo, rare is not same non-reproducible => both could be added | 08:08 |
| Nico | I think some github repos use some prefix + uncommon | 08:08 |
| Nico | Sure | 08:08 |
| rainemak | uncommon is not bad either | 08:08 |
| rainemak | instead of rare | 08:08 |
| Nico | Yeah, I think it sounds better | 08:09 |
| Nico | And it is not like tags are that expensive to maintain, I'd say | 08:09 |
| Nico | Thank you :) | 08:09 |
| rainemak | should we add then 'uncommon' and 'non-reproducible' | 08:09 |
| Nico | I'd say that sounds good :) | 08:09 |
| rainemak | Indeed, we can adjust them as we go | 08:10 |
| rainemak | #action Add 'uncommon' and 'non-reproducible' tags for bug category (on the forum) | 08:10 |
| rainemak | let's move on | 08:10 |
| rainemak | #topic Open PR discussion (10 mins -- asked by jolla) | 08:10 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Open PR discussion (10 mins -- asked by jolla) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 9th Nov 2023)" | 08:10 | |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Any open PRs to discuss? | 08:11 |
| Nico | flypig, do you have anything? | 08:11 |
| Nico | Otherwise looking at the attendance it looks unlikely :D | 08:12 |
| rainemak | You're right | 08:12 |
| rainemak | There's no need to have 10min slot for this today | 08:12 |
| rainemak | it seems | 08:12 |
| flypig | Sorry, I was distracted :) No I don't have anything to mention. | 08:13 |
| flypig | dcaliste is usually on top of this, but I think isn't joining today. | 08:13 |
| Nico | Then let's move on, I guess :3 | 08:13 |
| rainemak | #topic Untracked bug reports (5 min -- asked by pherjung) | 08:14 |
| rainemak | #info <pherjung> Untracked bug reports | 08:14 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-9th-november-2023/17180/3 | 08:14 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Untracked bug reports (5 min -- asked by pherjung) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 9th Nov 2023)" | 08:14 | |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> As always, the Community Bug Coordination Team have done a superb job. | 08:14 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> As a result of their work, we now have: | 08:14 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> 7 high quality bug reports now recorded internally and tagged as "tracked". | 08:14 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> 3 report is still under investigation. | 08:14 |
| rainemak | btw, should also have 'needinfo' tag | 08:15 |
| Nico | Sounds good :D | 08:15 |
| Nico | All the tags! | 08:15 |
| flypig | Some "good" bugs in that list, it would be nice to have fixes for. | 08:15 |
| flypig | Nice work as always. | 08:16 |
| rainemak | 'uncommon', 'non-reproducible' and 'needinfo' | 08:16 |
| Nico | Clearly it should be "needsinfo" | 08:16 |
| * Nico starts bikeshedding | 08:16 | |
| flypig | What is bikeshedding? | 08:16 |
| rainemak | #action Add 'uncommon', 'non-reproducible', 'needinfo' tags for bug category (on the forum) | 08:17 |
| rainemak | let's move on | 08:17 |
| Nico | When you argue about the color of the bike shed instead of more important things | 08:17 |
| rainemak | #topic General discussion (5 min) | 08:17 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "General discussion (5 min) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 9th Nov 2023)" | 08:17 | |
| flypig | Haha. Thanks Nico :) | 08:17 |
| Nico | Because the other things are harder to argue about, but everyone has opinions about the color | 08:17 |
| rainemak | flypig, great work once again with esr91 | 08:17 |
| Nico | Oh yeah, congrats on getting a picture out! | 08:17 |
| Nico | It was a long and interesting ride! | 08:18 |
| flypig | Thanks rainemak. I was happy to get a picture, but there's still a lot more to do though :) | 08:18 |
| rainemak | hopefully, embedlite-components fixing would be enough to get touch working | 08:18 |
| flypig | Thanks Nico too. | 08:18 |
| flypig | rainemak, yes, I'm hoping you're right. There are a lot of errors from the JavaScript parts, so fixing those will surely help (and be necessary). | 08:18 |
| rainemak | flypig, yeap, indeed there are but this is a good milestone | 08:18 |
| flypig | I'm really keen to get the changes into the Jolla repos though. Is that doable? | 08:19 |
| Nico | At least you are now not working completely in the dark :3 | 08:19 |
| rainemak | and in any case those needs to be fixed as that's the glue between user interface and the engine | 08:19 |
| flypig | Nico, exactly, that makes a huge difference. | 08:19 |
| flypig | rainemak, indeed! | 08:19 |
| rainemak | I created sailfishos-esr91 branches some time back already for each repository | 08:20 |
| flypig | Thanks rainemak. So I should create a PR into them? | 08:20 |
| rainemak | please, create PRs for them | 08:20 |
| flypig | What to do about the changes in the gecko-mirror repo though? | 08:20 |
| flypig | Turn them into patches already? | 08:20 |
| flypig | (I'd prefer not to, but the mirror should be a mirror, right?) | 08:20 |
| rainemak | I think that's the only feasible way | 08:21 |
| rainemak | it's only git am --3way away from being the same | 08:21 |
| rainemak | even --3way is not needed when they are all clean | 08:21 |
| rainemak | and your own clone can contain patches applied | 08:22 |
| Nico | Maybe it is a good time to now find at least some patches that are obviously correct and part them out and keep the other stuff still in your gecko branch for now? | 08:22 |
| flypig | Yeah, it'll need some work and thought, because some patches are spread across multiple commits currently. I just need to put the time in. | 08:23 |
| rainemak | worth noting that sailfishos-esr91 branches can be considered as work-in-progress branches | 08:23 |
| ExTechOp | By the way, have people been bothered with the "sounds disappear" bug, since I noticed that I haven't seen it for a while? https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/4-1-0-23-4-0-1-48-4-4-0-64-4-5-0-16-no-notification-sounds-ringing-sms-alarm/4886/ | 08:23 |
| Nico | No, my sounds has been very solid recently | 08:23 |
| flypig | Yes, I've not experienced this either I'm afraid. | 08:24 |
| Nico | Otoh, I also drowned my 10 II and am on a 10 III now :D | 08:24 |
| flypig | Drowned?! I thought the 10 II was waterproof (in practice, but not on paper). | 08:25 |
| ExTechOp | Another question, do we expect the echo cancellation on Xperia 10 III to be fixed any time soon, I'm getting tired of needing headphones to use it? | 08:25 |
| rainemak | I think it's on sony's side. So, I have my doubts. | 08:26 |
| Nico | flypig, it had a tiny hair crack in the screen and then I got into a bad thunderstorm with hail and lots of water on top of a mountain between Austria and Italy and it then got a blue screen and then a black screen :D | 08:26 |
| Nico | Possibly fixable, but had no time for that yet | 08:26 |
| ExTechOp | Nico A heroic death for a phone. | 08:26 |
| flypig | Oh dear :( You clearly give your phone a bit of a workout! | 08:27 |
| Nico | It helped me out a lot, so it will be remembered dearly :3 | 08:27 |
| rainemak | let's schedule next meeting... next | 08:27 |
| Nico | But also it was a nice digital detox for the rest of the journey :D | 08:27 |
| flypig | I hope you weren't relying on it to get you down the mountain again? | 08:27 |
| Nico | Well, kinda, but Mountains have the nice property, that the way down is usually indicated by a decline | 08:28 |
| flypig | Ha ha :D | 08:28 |
| rainemak | #topic Next meeting time and date (5 min) | 08:28 |
| rainemak | Proposing Thursday 23rd November at 07:00am UTC. | 08:28 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting time and date (5 min) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 9th Nov 2023)" | 08:28 | |
| Nico | And it was only like 5 days left of hiking and it was the same general direction as before | 08:28 |
| Nico | Sounds good as a date, rainemak :3 | 08:29 |
| rainemak | #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 23rd November 2023 at 07:00am UTC: 2023-11-23T0700Z | 08:29 |
| rainemak | settled then | 08:29 |
| rainemak | Thank you everyone for the meeting! | 08:29 |
| ExTechOp | Works for me. | 08:29 |
| flypig | Great! | 08:29 |
| ExTechOp | Thank you everybody! | 08:29 |
| flypig | Thanks rainemak, all! | 08:29 |
| rainemak | #endmeeting | 08:29 |
| sailbot | Meeting ended Thu Nov 9 08:29:46 2023 UTC. | 08:29 |
| sailbot | Minutes: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2023/sailfishos-meeting.2023-11-09-08.00.html | 08:29 |
| sailbot | Minutes (text): https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2023/sailfishos-meeting.2023-11-09-08.00.txt | 08:29 |
| sailbot | Log: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2023/sailfishos-meeting.2023-11-09-08.00.log.html | 08:29 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting will be held on Thursday 26th October 2023 at 07:00am UTC. Topics can be made/read here: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-irc-26th-october-2023/16955" | 08:29 | |
| Nico | Thank you all <3 | 08:29 |
| flypig | That was some hiking trip Nico! I hope you ultimately had a good trip. | 08:29 |
| Crabster | thx #? | 08:30 |
| Nico | It was amazing, finally got some good quality time with my sibling as well on that journey :3 | 08:30 |
| flypig | Great stuff. I'm a little envious, I've not been hiking for a long time, it sounds really good. | 08:30 |
| rainemak | what did sailbot say? :-) | 08:30 |
| rainemak | 23rd Nov it'll be in any case | 08:31 |
| pherjung[m] | #info pherjung, community | 08:31 |
| Nico | You should just join me some day, it is always an adventure :3 | 08:31 |
| Nico | pherjung, late! | 08:31 |
| flypig | Thanks Nico, you're very kind! I'd love to, but I'm clearly not on the same level as you! | 08:31 |
| Nico | flypig, not everyone has to be as chaotic as I am! | 08:32 |
| Nico | We all start small! | 08:32 |
| flypig | True, good advice! | 08:32 |
| flypig | Were you lurking pherjung[m] | 08:32 |
| Nico | Also your ESR journey sounds like it was way more of an effort! | 08:33 |
| flypig | Well, it was effort, but of a very different kind. I never had to worry about hail! | 08:33 |
| Nico | Anyway, I should go to work, see you all around and all the best to the Jolla people, stay strong! | 08:33 |
| flypig | +1 | 08:33 |
| pherjung[m] | Unfortunately not, I'm a bit late sorry | 08:33 |
| flypig | pherjung[m], sorry that we missed you in that case. | 08:34 |
| Nico | pherjung, you kinda missed everything, but check the backlog, if there is anything you disagree with, I guess? :) | 08:34 |
| pherjung[m] | No, I'm fine with the decision | 08:35 |
| Nico | And thank you for your work :) | 08:35 |
| pherjung[m] | The idea behind this tag, is to track the bug report and give some hint to other user that we need some more infos. Because a lot of people does'nt understand what 100% reproducible really mean | 08:36 |
| pherjung[m] | Well, not a lot. Just some | 08:37 |
| rainemak | pherjung[m] and others, created agreed new tags for the bug category | 08:40 |
| Nico | Thanks :) | 08:41 |
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