| Crabster | morning | 06:53 |
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| ExTechOp | Good Morning, everyone! | 06:54 |
| rainemak | #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 16th May 2024 | 07:00 |
| sailbot | Meeting started Thu May 16 07:00:17 2024 UTC. The chair is rainemak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
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| rainemak | #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here: | 07:00 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-16th-may-2024/18513 | 07:00 |
| rainemak | I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive. | 07:00 |
| rainemak | #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info | 07:00 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 16th May 2024)" | 07:00 | |
| ExTechOp | #info Otto Mäkelä, community | 07:00 |
| rainemak | #info Raine Mäkeläinen, sailor @ Jolla, chairperson today | 07:00 |
| direc85[m] | #info Matti Viljanen, community | 07:01 |
| rainemak | Hello direc85[m] and ExTechOp ! | 07:02 |
| ExTechOp | I'd hope we aren't the only three here today? | 07:02 |
| direc85[m] | Hello rainemak! | 07:02 |
| pvuorela | #info Pekka Vuorela, Jolla | 07:03 |
| ExTechOp | Ahoy Crabster? | 07:03 |
| rainemak | We have one topic today. | 07:04 |
| rainemak | Let's give a moment for flypig | 07:05 |
| __flypig | #info David Llewellyn-Jones community | 07:06 |
| __flypig | Sorry! Connection issues, thanks for waiting! | 07:06 |
| rainemak | Welcome pvuorela and __flypig as well | 07:06 |
| rainemak | #topic Issues sending text messages w/ VoLTE enabled on Xperia 10 iii (10mins -- asked by Louis) | 07:06 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Issues sending text messages w/ VoLTE enabled on Xperia 10 iii (10mins -- asked by Louis) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 16th May 2024)" | 07:06 | |
| rainemak | #info <Louis> After upgrading 4.4.0.68 → 4.4.0.72 I can’t send text messages on | 07:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Louis> my Xperia 10 iii using TDC (largest Danish provider). Other | 07:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Louis> providers also affected. Link: When VoLTE is active sending sms not | 07:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Louis> possible - SFOS 4.4.0.72 - #10 by Louis 2 - I would really | 07:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Louis> appreciate if Jolla would trace what changes was made which led to | 07:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Louis> this. (VolTE for Xperia 10 ii was introduced with this upgrade.). | 07:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Louis> Still broken in 4.5.0.25. | 07:06 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/when-volte-is-active-sending-sms-not-possible-sfos-4-4-0-72/13174/10 | 07:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> There are multitude of things that can affect. This issues has been | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> discussed extensively in forum in two topics. Further, there's a table | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> in the forum that containing VoLTE provider support. It could be | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> that VoLTE modem configs might be wrong for operators, causing SMS | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> to fail even if calling works. | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Please enter your input to https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/volte-provider-support/11501, thanks. | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/volte-provider-support/11501 | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Let’s continue gathering feedback / input to https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/14452 | 07:07 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/14452 | 07:07 |
| rainemak | No further comments, I think we can move on. | 07:12 |
| ExTechOp | (apparently the note in that VoLTE is only avaliable on 10 III has now become outdated, since there are also data points for 10 II devices?) | 07:12 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, correct. Xperia 10 II received support after 10 III. | 07:13 |
| rainemak | #topic Open PR discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) | 07:14 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Open PR discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 16th May 2024)" | 07:14 | |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Any open PRs to discuss? | 07:14 |
| direc85[m] | I've had a few times an issue that the SMS is marked with a circle (iirc) (sending in progress) but never got the checkmark (message sent). Copy-paste-sending results in the same, but the message actually got sent. Either visiting airplane mode or rebooting the device fixed that. Those happened on my Xperia 10 III with 4.5.0.25 fwiw. | 07:14 |
| Zyuc2G | I can confirm this is happening with my XA2 | 07:14 |
| Zyuc2G | (on 4.5) | 07:14 |
| rainemak | ^ that's no VoLTE related issues then | 07:15 |
| rainemak | not | 07:15 |
| Zyuc2G | In addition, SMS sending reliability has gotten worse. I've temporarily switched back to Xperia X, to see if the issue exists on 4.5. I'm curious to see if it's software or not. | 07:16 |
| Zyuc2G | (sorry slightly offtopic) | 07:16 |
| direc85[m] | I use SMS messages roughly weekly, and have had very little issues. | 07:19 |
| rainemak | dcaliste, pvuorela, __flypig : any PRs to discuss? | 07:19 |
| rainemak | direc85[m], same here | 07:19 |
| ExTechOp | (The only issue I have is that received messages often appear multiple times, each time with a notify sound) | 07:19 |
| __flypig | I'm just having a look, but nothing springs to mind for PRs. | 07:19 |
| direc85[m] | (When I send SMS messages, sometimes it gets duplicated or triplicated on the receiving end) | 07:20 |
| direc85[m] | (It's very rare though) | 07:20 |
| rainemak | Thanks... As there are no bug reports today. Let's move to general discussion. | 07:20 |
| dcaliste | Hello rainemak, pvuorela merged yesterday the decryption PRs. Thanks a lot. | 07:20 |
| Crabster | #info Crabster - lurker, late ;) | 07:20 |
| __flypig | I'll add my voice to the good SMS experience. I think I've experienced something similar very occassionally Zyuc2G, but it's usually reliable for me. | 07:20 |
| rainemak | #topic General discussion (15 min) | 07:21 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "General discussion (15 min) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 16th May 2024)" | 07:21 | |
| rainemak | We can continue SMS discussion here as well :-) | 07:21 |
| dcaliste | This PR https://github.com/sailfishos/voicecall/pull/15 on the possibility to add a call filtering API is currently actively discussed. I need to answer pvuorela's comments. | 07:21 |
| ExTechOp | I just spent a long weekend on the Åland Islands, and there I had to reset the phone (Sony Xperia 10 III, with SFOS 4.5.0.25) at least daily because the sounds had stopped working. Returning to mainland Finland and the capital region, I've not had this happen again. | 07:21 |
| ExTechOp | Perhaps this long-standing issue is somehow related to bad radio fields and/or roaming (for some reason, Ålcom is tagged as being a roamed network, in spite of fully supporting Elisa clients at base prices)? | 07:21 |
| dcaliste | I'll do today or tomorrow, I think. | 07:21 |
| pvuorela | nothing particular from me. | 07:21 |
| pvuorela | dcaliste: cheers :) | 07:21 |
| dcaliste | Hello pvuorela. Thanks for the merges of decryption PRs. | 07:22 |
| dcaliste | I will work on encryption in the coming weeks, I think. | 07:22 |
| rainemak | pvuorela, could that Åland issue be related to those weird timezone issues? | 07:22 |
| Crabster | I have the feeling that the operators messing with ims/rcs makes sms and mms unreliable, been going on for a while now | 07:23 |
| direc85[m] | Roaming has been mostly fine for me, but one trip in Sweden mobile data just wouldn't work no matter what we tried with the operator (Elisa FI). Later it was suggested to remove the PIN code from the SIM card, but the next trip to Sweden was a-ok... | 07:23 |
| __flypig | MMS issues I've always had (and always assumed it was my MMS settings being incorrect). | 07:23 |
| __flypig | I definitely experience differing behaviours when roaming, especially with VoLTE. As a total aside, I'd love to visit the Åland Islands. | 07:24 |
| rainemak | Crabster, yeap... my feeling is that in Finland operators are configuring networks more or less by the book but at central/south Europe this likely is not the case | 07:24 |
| __flypig | ExTechOp: when you say "sounds had stopped", do you mean all sounds, or just for calls? | 07:25 |
| pvuorela | rainemak: timezone affecting to anything sound things would feel strange. | 07:25 |
| rainemak | pvuorela, but was Åland on of those missing timezones? | 07:25 |
| rainemak | one of | 07:25 |
| ExTechOp | __flypig I mean the long-standing bug discussed here https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/4-1-0-23-4-0-1-48-4-4-0-64-4-5-0-16-no-notification-sounds-ringing-sms-alarm/4886 | 07:26 |
| ExTechOp | (and Åland is of course supposed to be on the same timezone as the rest of Finland) | 07:26 |
| rainemak | pvuorela, didn't mean that directly affecting to mobile network | 07:26 |
| __flypig | Thanks for clarifying ExTechOp. | 07:26 |
| ExTechOp | (however, I don't know on what time zone the mobile base stations the ships carry with them are, perhaps permanently Swedish?) | 07:27 |
| pvuorela | rainemak: it should have a timezone. recall connman had some problems interpreting it but wouldn't think it had effects too widely, was mostly about mapping it to finnish wlan domains or something. | 07:28 |
| ExTechOp | (I was at a hotel right next to the harbour, so my phone indubitably heard those) | 07:28 |
| Thaodan | #info Björn Bidar , Sailor @ Jolla | 07:28 |
| Thaodan | sorry a little late | 07:28 |
| Thaodan | but better late than never | 07:28 |
| ExTechOp | The late Mr. Bidar | 07:28 |
| direc85[m] | The audio lost issue hits me sometimes too, but as Bluetooth audio still works, it can sometimes be a day until I notice it... | 07:28 |
| Thaodan | I had MMS issues even in Finland sometimes | 07:30 |
| Thaodan | Telia tried to tell my configuration was wrong but a few days later it was working as normal | 07:31 |
| Crabster | rainemak: fyi, currently ordinary sms from the uk does not get through to dk, also my house alarm is currently unable to send out sms, surely network related and unrelated to sfos | 07:31 |
| rainemak | Crabster, yeap | 07:32 |
| Thaodan | regarding notification sounds we output them now on the speakers even when a headset is connected for the Xperia 10 ii. This feature currently works only devices older than Android 11 | 07:34 |
| rainemak | We can extend this by 5mins | 07:35 |
| direc85[m] | MMS has worked for me, but I'm not an active user. The only issue I have hit is the recipient having the phone memory too full (not a smartphone). In that sense, SFOS devices having a large shared storage is really nice! | 07:39 |
| rainemak | Anybody coming to Jolla Love Day 2? | 07:41 |
| ExTechOp | I just registered for it! | 07:42 |
| rainemak | Nice! | 07:42 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/jolla-love-day-2/18610 | 07:43 |
| ExTechOp | So, Sony Xperia 10 V is on the schedule? | 07:43 |
| __flypig | I'll be following the livestream of coures (no need to register for that, right?). I wish I could be there in person. | 07:43 |
| dcaliste | I would like to, it would be nice to say hello, but Finland (while looking like a beautiful country) is too far from my place... | 07:43 |
| rainemak | __flypig, correct, no need to register for the livesteam | 07:44 |
| rainemak | livestream | 07:44 |
| rainemak | time to schedule next meeting... | 07:45 |
| rainemak | #topic Next meeting time and date (5 mins) | 07:45 |
| rainemak | Proposing Thursday 30th May at 07:00am UTC | 07:45 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting time and date (5 mins) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 16th May 2024)" | 07:45 | |
| Thaodan | Xperia 10 V has some upstream bugs | 07:46 |
| Thaodan | . | 07:46 |
| ExTechOp | Two weeks from now would be 30th May, which would work for me. | 07:46 |
| rainemak | kind of normal rhythm as we skipped last Thursday | 07:46 |
| Thaodan | ExTechOp: Xperia 10 v has some upstream bugs | 07:46 |
| Thaodan | a good place to look for the status of the device is Sony aosp | 07:47 |
| rainemak | #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 30th May 2024 at 07:00am UTC: 2024-05-30T0700Z | 07:47 |
| Thaodan | https://github.com/sonyxperiadev/bug_tracker | 07:48 |
| rainemak | Hoping to see many of you next Monday in person or online | 07:49 |
| rainemak | Thank you all! | 07:49 |
| __flypig | Thank you rainemak, all! | 07:49 |
| ExTechOp | Thanks everyone, again! | 07:49 |
| Crabster | thx #? | 07:49 |
| rainemak | #endmeeting | 07:50 |
| sailbot | Meeting ended Thu May 16 07:50:06 2024 UTC. | 07:50 |
| sailbot | Minutes: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2024/sailfishos-meeting.2024-05-16-07.00.html | 07:50 |
| sailbot | Minutes (text): https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2024/sailfishos-meeting.2024-05-16-07.00.txt | 07:50 |
| sailbot | Log: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2024/sailfishos-meeting.2024-05-16-07.00.log.html | 07:50 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting will be held on Thursday 16th May 2024 at 07:00am UTC: 2024-05-16T0700Z" | 07:50 | |
| dcaliste | Thank you. | 07:50 |
| direc85[m] | Thank you! | 07:51 |
| rubdos[m] | rainemak: Wait we could come IRL too? | 07:53 |
| * rubdos[m] is slightly late to the party | 07:53 | |
| rubdos[m] | Ryanair 172 EUR. Hmm. | 07:53 |
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