Thursday, 2024-05-16

ExTechOpGood Morning, everyone!06:54
rainemak#startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 16th May 202407:00
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rainemakI am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive.07:00
rainemak#topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info07:00
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ExTechOp#info Otto Mäkelä, community07:00
rainemak#info Raine Mäkeläinen, sailor @ Jolla, chairperson today07:00
direc85[m]#info Matti Viljanen, community07:01
rainemakHello direc85[m] and ExTechOp !07:02
ExTechOpI'd hope we aren't the only three here today?07:02
direc85[m]Hello rainemak!07:02
pvuorela#info Pekka Vuorela, Jolla07:03
ExTechOpAhoy Crabster?07:03
rainemakWe have one topic today.07:04
rainemakLet's give a moment for flypig07:05
__flypig#info David Llewellyn-Jones community07:06
__flypigSorry! Connection issues, thanks for waiting!07:06
rainemakWelcome pvuorela and __flypig as well07:06
rainemak#topic Issues sending text messages w/ VoLTE enabled on Xperia 10 iii (10mins -- asked by Louis)07:06
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rainemak#info <Louis> After upgrading → I can’t send text messages on07:06
rainemak#info <Louis> my Xperia 10 iii using TDC (largest Danish provider). Other07:06
rainemak#info <Louis> providers also affected. Link: When VoLTE is active sending sms not07:06
rainemak#info <Louis> possible - SFOS - #10 by Louis 2 - I would really07:06
rainemak#info <Louis> appreciate if Jolla would trace what changes was made which led to07:06
rainemak#info <Louis> this. (VolTE for Xperia 10 ii was introduced with this upgrade.).07:06
rainemak#info <Louis> Still broken in
rainemak#info <Jolla> There are multitude of things that can affect. This issues has been07:07
rainemak#info <Jolla> discussed extensively in forum in two topics. Further, there's a table07:07
rainemak#info <Jolla> in the forum that containing VoLTE provider support. It could be07:07
rainemak#info <Jolla> that VoLTE modem configs might be wrong for operators, causing SMS07:07
rainemak#info <Jolla> to fail even if calling works.07:07
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rainemakNo further comments, I think we can move on.07:12
ExTechOp(apparently the note in that VoLTE is only avaliable on 10 III has now become outdated, since there are also data points for 10 II devices?)07:12
rainemakExTechOp, correct. Xperia 10 II received support after 10 III.07:13
rainemak#topic Open PR discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla)07:14
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rainemak#info <Jolla> Any open PRs to discuss?07:14
direc85[m]I've had a few times an issue that the SMS is marked with a circle (iirc) (sending in progress) but never got the checkmark (message sent). Copy-paste-sending results in the same, but the message actually got sent. Either visiting airplane mode or rebooting the device fixed that. Those happened on my Xperia 10 III with fwiw.07:14
Zyuc2GI can confirm this is happening with my XA207:14
Zyuc2G(on 4.5)07:14
rainemak^ that's no VoLTE related issues then07:15
Zyuc2GIn addition, SMS sending reliability has gotten worse. I've temporarily switched back to Xperia X, to see if the issue exists on 4.5. I'm curious to see if it's software or not.07:16
Zyuc2G(sorry slightly offtopic)07:16
direc85[m]I use SMS messages roughly weekly, and have had very little issues.07:19
rainemakdcaliste, pvuorela, __flypig : any PRs to discuss?07:19
rainemakdirec85[m], same here07:19
ExTechOp(The only issue I have is that received messages often appear multiple times, each time with a notify sound)07:19
__flypigI'm just having a look, but nothing springs to mind for PRs.07:19
direc85[m](When I send SMS messages, sometimes it gets duplicated or triplicated on the receiving end)07:20
direc85[m](It's very rare though)07:20
rainemakThanks... As there are no bug reports today. Let's move to general discussion.07:20
dcalisteHello rainemak, pvuorela merged yesterday the decryption PRs. Thanks a lot.07:20
Crabster#info Crabster - lurker, late ;)07:20
__flypigI'll add my voice to the good SMS experience. I think I've experienced something similar very occassionally Zyuc2G, but it's usually reliable for me.07:20
rainemak#topic General discussion (15 min)07:21
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rainemakWe can continue SMS discussion here as well :-)07:21
dcalisteThis PR on the possibility to add a call filtering API is currently actively discussed. I need to answer pvuorela's comments.07:21
ExTechOpI just spent a long weekend on the Åland Islands, and there I had to reset the phone (Sony Xperia 10 III, with SFOS at least daily because the sounds had stopped working. Returning to mainland Finland and the capital region, I've not had this happen again.07:21
ExTechOpPerhaps this long-standing issue is somehow related to bad radio fields and/or roaming (for some reason, Ålcom is tagged as being a roamed network, in spite of fully supporting Elisa clients at base prices)?07:21
dcalisteI'll do today or tomorrow, I think.07:21
pvuorelanothing particular from me.07:21
pvuoreladcaliste: cheers :)07:21
dcalisteHello pvuorela. Thanks for the merges of decryption PRs.07:22
dcalisteI will work on encryption in the coming weeks, I think.07:22
rainemakpvuorela, could that Åland issue be related to those weird timezone issues?07:22
CrabsterI have the feeling that the operators messing with ims/rcs makes sms and mms unreliable, been going on for a while now07:23
direc85[m]Roaming has been mostly fine for me, but one trip in Sweden mobile data just wouldn't work no matter what we tried with the operator (Elisa FI). Later it was suggested to remove the PIN code from the SIM card, but the next trip to Sweden was a-ok...07:23
__flypigMMS issues I've always had (and always assumed it was my MMS settings being incorrect).07:23
__flypigI definitely experience differing behaviours when roaming, especially with VoLTE. As a total aside, I'd love to visit the Åland Islands.07:24
rainemakCrabster, yeap... my feeling is that in Finland operators are configuring networks more or less by the book but at central/south Europe this likely is not the case07:24
__flypigExTechOp: when you say "sounds had stopped", do you mean all sounds, or just for calls?07:25
pvuorelarainemak: timezone affecting to anything sound things would feel strange.07:25
rainemakpvuorela, but was Åland on of those missing timezones?07:25
rainemakone of07:25
ExTechOp__flypig I mean the long-standing bug discussed here
ExTechOp(and Åland is of course supposed to be on the same timezone as the rest of Finland)07:26
rainemakpvuorela, didn't mean that directly affecting to mobile network07:26
__flypigThanks for clarifying ExTechOp.07:26
ExTechOp(however, I don't know on what time zone the mobile base stations the ships carry with them are, perhaps permanently Swedish?)07:27
pvuorelarainemak: it should have a timezone. recall connman had some problems interpreting it but wouldn't think it had effects too widely, was mostly about mapping it to finnish wlan domains or something.07:28
ExTechOp(I was at a hotel right next to the harbour, so my phone indubitably heard those)07:28
Thaodan#info Björn Bidar , Sailor @ Jolla07:28
Thaodansorry a little late07:28
Thaodanbut better late than never07:28
ExTechOpThe late Mr. Bidar07:28
direc85[m]The audio lost issue hits me sometimes too, but as Bluetooth audio still works, it can sometimes be a day until I notice it...07:28
ThaodanI had MMS issues even in Finland sometimes07:30
ThaodanTelia tried to tell my configuration was wrong but a few days later it was working as normal07:31
Crabsterrainemak: fyi, currently ordinary sms from the uk does not get through to dk, also my house alarm is currently unable to send out sms, surely network related and unrelated to sfos07:31
rainemakCrabster, yeap07:32
Thaodanregarding notification sounds we output them now on the speakers even when a headset is connected for the Xperia 10 ii. This feature currently works only  devices older than Android 1107:34
rainemakWe can extend this by 5mins07:35
direc85[m]MMS has worked for me, but I'm not an active user. The only issue I have hit is the recipient having the phone memory too full (not a smartphone). In that sense, SFOS devices having a large shared storage is really nice!07:39
rainemakAnybody coming to Jolla Love Day 2?07:41
ExTechOpI just registered for it!07:42
ExTechOpSo, Sony Xperia 10 V is on the schedule?07:43
__flypigI'll be following the livestream of coures (no need to register for that, right?). I wish I could be there in person.07:43
dcalisteI would like to, it would be nice to say hello, but Finland (while looking like a beautiful country) is too far from my place...07:43
rainemak__flypig, correct, no need to register for the livesteam07:44
rainemaktime to schedule next meeting...07:45
rainemak#topic Next meeting time and date (5 mins)07:45
rainemakProposing Thursday 30th May at 07:00am UTC07:45
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ThaodanXperia 10 V has some upstream bugs07:46
ExTechOpTwo weeks from now would be 30th May, which would work for me.07:46
rainemakkind of normal rhythm as we skipped last Thursday07:46
ThaodanExTechOp: Xperia 10 v has some upstream bugs07:46
Thaodana good place to look for the status of the device is Sony aosp07:47
rainemak#info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 30th May 2024 at 07:00am UTC: 2024-05-30T0700Z07:47
rainemakHoping to see many of you next Monday in person or online07:49
rainemakThank you all!07:49
__flypigThank you rainemak, all!07:49
ExTechOpThanks everyone, again!07:49
Crabsterthx #?07:49
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dcalisteThank you.07:50
direc85[m]Thank you!07:51
rubdos[m]rainemak: Wait we could come IRL too?07:53
* rubdos[m] is slightly late to the party07:53
rubdos[m]Ryanair 172 EUR. Hmm.07:53
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