| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o rainemak | 15:50 | |
| rainemak | Good evening all. Community IRC meeting starting in 8mins. | 15:52 |
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| Nico | Woop, woop! | 15:54 |
| rainemak | Hello Nico and ExTechOp | 15:55 |
| ExTechOp | This time I remembered it. Good evening/day/morning/whatever, everyone! | 15:55 |
| piggz[m] | afternoon meetings might be the way to go! | 15:55 |
| rainemak | Great to have you ExTechOp | 15:55 |
| rainemak | hello piggz[m] | 15:56 |
| rainemak | piggz[m], I think so too | 15:56 |
| rainemak | afternoon for whom? | 15:56 |
| piggz[m] | though, i just got told to go do a food shop, so I might be away anyway! | 15:56 |
| piggz[m] | rainemak: most people in euro TZ's | 15:57 |
| rainemak | I think this works quite nicely... maybe even an hour earlier | 15:57 |
| rainemak | piggz[m], yeap | 15:57 |
| piggz[m] | if interested, ive just been packaging various spirv related things, to enable newer mesa | 15:57 |
| piggz[m] | libclc, spirv-headers, spirv-tools, .... next spirv-llvm-translator | 15:58 |
| rainemak | #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 28th August 2025 | 16:00 |
| sailbot | Meeting started Thu Aug 28 16:00:00 2025 UTC. The chair is rainemak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| sailbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 16:00 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 28th August 2025)" | 16:00 | |
| rainemak | #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here: | 16:00 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-28th-august-2025/24483 | 16:00 |
| rainemak | I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive. | 16:00 |
| rainemak | #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info | 16:00 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 28th August 2025)" | 16:00 | |
| roundedrectangl | Hello everyone! I wrote that I won't be able to attend the meeting on forum when proposing a topic, but I found time to do it. Hope that's ok. | 16:00 |
| rainemak | roundedrectangl, perfectly fine! welcome | 16:00 |
| rainemak | #info Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla | 16:00 |
| ExTechOp | #info Otto Mäkelä, community | 16:00 |
| ViGe_ | #info Ville Nummela, community | 16:00 |
| roundedrectangl | #info roundedrectangle, community | 16:00 |
| piggz[m] | #info piggz, community | 16:01 |
| abr | #info Andrew Branson, sailing by | 16:01 |
| direc85[m] | #info Matti Viljanen, Jolla | 16:02 |
| direc85[m] | and good evening :) | 16:02 |
| Keto | #info Pami Ketolainen, Jolla | 16:03 |
| rainemak | nicely list of participants already | 16:03 |
| CLMA31[m] | #info CLMA31, community | 16:03 |
| mal | #info mal, Jolla | 16:03 |
| rainemak | We have three topics today. Let's start in a moment. | 16:04 |
| rainemak | Welcome everybody | 16:04 |
| rainemak | #topic Default Hosts file and DNS (5 mins -- Novacane) | 16:05 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Default Hosts file and DNS (5 mins -- Novacane) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 28th August 2025)" | 16:05 | |
| rainemak | #info <Novacane> Is there a specific reason why the Android App support is not set | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Novacane> up by default to use the Hosts file and DNS which SailfishOS | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Novacane> uses? Also, how difficult would it be to add an option somewhere | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Novacane> in the Settings app to enter/change the entire system’s DNS | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Novacane> settings? Related: How to change DNS settings? | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/how-to-change-dns-settings/10068/11 | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/how-to-change-dns-on-mobile-network/13286/13 | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/using-host-etc-hosts-in-aliendalvik-androidappsupport-ad-aas-via-bind-mount-on-sfos-4-5/14653/11 | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Thanks for asking. Let's clarify open questions further but let | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> this be a starting point. Adding an option to Settings app should | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> not be a big effort but that's more like a resourcing and | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> prioritization question. For the next release there will be an | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> AppSupport config file that can be used for changing DNS settings. | 16:05 |
| rainemak | Further, I'm quite sure that platform configurability has been on of the decication parameters. | 16:06 |
| rainemak | one | 16:06 |
| rainemak | Would you abr have something to add here? | 16:07 |
| abr | I think the config you see for AppSupport is just supposed to defer DNS to connman, which will switch where it goes depending on the connection | 16:08 |
| Keto | it's also in the plans to switch from the connman dns proxy to the systemd resolved, not sure if it makes the overall system dns configurability easier or harder | 16:09 |
| rainemak | Keto, yeap that one as well | 16:09 |
| rainemak | actually I think that above mentioned dns config setting relates to the systemd resolved | 16:09 |
| abr | Switching dns server per connection is probably one of those things that used to be much more important in the past. Nowadays people tend to use global ones rather than ISP supplied. | 16:10 |
| piggz[m] | abr: speak for yourself ... i run my own adblock DNS in the house, and access it on the go with a tailscale network :) | 16:11 |
| abr | Yeah I should imagine a few people would like to let connman keep switching, but maybe not as many as in the past. | 16:11 |
| rainemak | alright, I think we have covered this one. As Novacane was not able to attend, If there's something to clarify we can do that in the forum post. | 16:12 |
| rainemak | moving on | 16:12 |
| rainemak | #topic Python update (5mins -- roundedrectangle) | 16:12 |
| rainemak | #info <roundedrectangle> Python 3.8 is now end of life and no longer receives | 16:12 |
| rainemak | #info <roundedrectangle> security updates. Security updates are not that | 16:12 |
| rainemak | #info <roundedrectangle> important, but many projects have dropped support for it | 16:12 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Python update (5mins -- roundedrectangle) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 28th August 2025)" | 16:12 | |
| rainemak | #info <roundedrectangle> and now require a newer version. Because of this, some of | 16:12 |
| rainemak | #info <roundedrectangle> my Python-based apps cannot update to newer libraries and | 16:12 |
| rainemak | #info <roundedrectangle> have to stick with older versions. I have seen a branch | 16:12 |
| rainemak | #info <roundedrectangle> with 3.11 update, but there is no pull request. So, when | 16:12 |
| rainemak | #info <roundedrectangle> is the Python update planned? | 16:12 |
| rainemak | #link https://github.com/sailfishos/python3/tree/python311 | 16:12 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Like you noticed, we're a work in progress branch for Python 3.11. | 16:13 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> With the newer Python we do have still some odd cross-build issues. | 16:13 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> The Python build itself randomly fails. This looks very much similar | 16:13 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> to xulrunner build randomly failing. | 16:13 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> | 16:13 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Python 3.11 will be good for a while as that receives security fixes | 16:13 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> until October 2027. | 16:13 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> | 16:13 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> We're targeting Python update for the next major update. | 16:13 |
| rainemak | mal, did that updated make go in already ? | 16:14 |
| mal | yes, make was updated and it fixed most the of build issues with xulrunner but not with newer python | 16:14 |
| roundedrectangl | Thank you for answering. Most modern python libraries have 3.11 or 3.9 as minimum supported version, so that is okay for my apps. | 16:15 |
| rainemak | Bottom line is that there's still some to fix. | 16:15 |
| rainemak | However, as this also occasionally builds fine and all functional issues should be fixed. We could in theory take it in devel rather soon. | 16:15 |
| mal | but other that the build failures of python itself all packages requiring python seem to build fine based on current testing | 16:15 |
| rainemak | thanks very good | 16:16 |
| rainemak | that's | 16:16 |
| rainemak | does this cover all your points roundedrectangl ? | 16:17 |
| roundedrectangl | yes | 16:17 |
| ExTechOp | Is there any understanding on the causes of the build failures? | 16:17 |
| rainemak | mal, ^ | 16:18 |
| mal | ExTechOp: most likely some scratchbox2 issue, could be some missing wrapped/gated function call or something like that | 16:18 |
| mal | or some threading bug | 16:19 |
| rainemak | It looks that we can move on. Let's take the next topic. | 16:21 |
| rainemak | #topic Sony Xperia 10 IV/V adaption in light of Sony no longer selling smartphones in Finland (5mins -- rgrnetalk) | 16:21 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Sony Xperia 10 IV/V adaption in light of Sony no longer selling smartphones in Finland (5mins -- rgrnetalk) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 28th August 2025)" | 16:21 | |
| rainemak | #info <rgrnetalk> While Sony hasn’t officially announced an exit from Europe, it | 16:21 |
| rainemak | #info <rgrnetalk> has confirmed to Finnish outlet SuomiMobiili that Xperia phones | 16:21 |
| rainemak | #info <rgrnetalk> will no longer be sold directly in Finland. This could be | 16:21 |
| rainemak | #info <rgrnetalk> explained as an early sign of a wind-down of Sony’s smartphone | 16:21 |
| rainemak | #info <rgrnetalk> business. For owners of the Sony Xperia 10 IV/V this means | 16:21 |
| rainemak | #info <rgrnetalk> (more) uncertainty. Does Jolla has more information on the Sony | 16:21 |
| rainemak | #info <rgrnetalk> business and can it be shared with the community? Is the | 16:21 |
| rainemak | #info <rgrnetalk> adaption for the Sony Xperia 10 IV/V influenced by this new | 16:21 |
| rainemak | #info <rgrnetalk> situation? I’m aware of the anouncement of a dedicated post for | 16:21 |
| rainemak | #info <rgrnetalk> the situation of the Xperia 10 IV/V. If no information can be | 16:21 |
| rainemak | #info <rgrnetalk> shared in this meeting, can you ascertain that it will be added | 16:21 |
| rainemak | #info <rgrnetalk> to the dedicated post? | 16:21 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> We will cover your concerns in the dedicated post of the Sony Xperia | 16:21 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> 10 IV and 10 V. | 16:21 |
| rainemak | Moving on | 16:25 |
| rainemak | #topic Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) | 16:25 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 28th August 2025)" | 16:25 | |
| rainemak | anybody ? | 16:26 |
| rainemak | Moving forward to general discussion | 16:30 |
| rainemak | #topic General discussion (10 mins) | 16:30 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "General discussion (10 mins) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 28th August 2025)" | 16:30 | |
| CLMA31[m] | As it is quite often asked in the forum, is there any time estimate regarding the dedicated post about 10 IV and 10 V? | 16:31 |
| rainemak | Thank you who have expressed views and given comments to the next gen jolla phone thread. | 16:31 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/next-gen-jolla-phone/23882 | 16:31 |
| CLMA31[m] | Thank you for the opportunity! | 16:31 |
| rainemak | That's one of the topics that should finalize. Goes to next week but take that with a grain of salt as we have items on the table as well. | 16:33 |
| ExTechOp | I must be a bit stupid, but I can't see any reason for more than FullHD resolution even in a slightly larger handheld device? I mean, the pixels are even there quite tiny. | 16:33 |
| rainemak | I'm personally leaning to FullHD as well. It would be a very good compromise between perf and resolution. | 16:33 |
| direc85[m] | I've been working on LLVM 20 and Rust 1.89 and they can now compile some apps for aarch64 for example, so feel free to compile and try those: https://github.com/sailfishos/llvm/tree/llvm-20 and https://github.com/sailfishos/rust/tree/rust-1.89 | 16:34 |
| rainemak | nice! | 16:34 |
| CLMA31[m] | Can you reveal any news regarding the next gen Jolla phone? How likely does it seem that it will be realized? | 16:34 |
| mal | only place where high resolution has some effect is if someone uses phone for vr | 16:34 |
| rainemak | CLMA31[m], Let's came back to that a bit later. | 16:35 |
| CLMA31[m] | rainemak: Thank you for the info, doesn't concern me but I have a feeling that there is a lot of interest towards that post | 16:35 |
| CLMA31[m] | rainemak: Can't wait! | 16:36 |
| rainemak | mal, do you have an idea how common VR use is? | 16:36 |
| mal | probably not very common | 16:36 |
| mal | not really sure though | 16:36 |
| rainemak | that's also my gut feeling. surely, there would some use. | 16:36 |
| rainemak | 3 minutes left | 16:37 |
| mal | that reminds me that I should finish the sensor support in sailfish browser after esr102, that would make use with vr supporing webpages possible | 16:38 |
| CLMA31[m] | If fullHD gives a better camera for example I would be okay with it. Personally I watch quite a lot things from phone screen so good resolution makes it more pleasant | 16:39 |
| direc85[m] | how much VR use cases are there for phones? | 16:39 |
| CLMA31[m] | But no need for 4k | 16:40 |
| rainemak | two extra minutes in case there are comments for the above. | 16:40 |
| mal | videos, maybe some android games | 16:40 |
| abr | just taxes the gpu. 1080p is enough for anyone on a phone. | 16:41 |
| rainemak | next week is again newsletter week, if you have Sailfish news in mind please post them to the https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-community-news-21st-august-2025-camera-discussion/24562 | 16:42 |
| rainemak | let's wrap up | 16:43 |
| rainemak | #topic Next meeting time and date (5 mins) | 16:43 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting time and date (5 mins) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 28th August 2025)" | 16:43 | |
| direc85[m] | I prefer vibrant colors and good viewing angles over resolution | 16:43 |
| CLMA31[m] | abr: Well most people have voted better than 1080p, so personal preferences in some sense | 16:43 |
| rainemak | please note that also aspect ratio plays a role | 16:43 |
| rainemak | How do you like this new time slot? Asked this already earlier but now there's more community members present. | 16:44 |
| CLMA31[m] | Agree there is many things affecting the display quality and I just hope best possible balance | 16:45 |
| CLMA31[m] | I like this time slot | 16:45 |
| mal | there are those intermediate resolutions also between 1080p and 4k | 16:45 |
| ExTechOp | I have to either stay late at work or dash home early for it, so the morning time was kinda better, but this isn't a catastrophe. | 16:46 |
| roundedrectangl | for me this time slot is better than morning | 16:46 |
| abr | Resolution alone I understand why people might vote for higher. But I think people would notice the battery drain and lower frame rate in reality. | 16:47 |
| rainemak | This works for me also fine. If this would be an hour earlier, it could be trickier for central Europe. | 16:47 |
| mal | I like this evening time better | 16:48 |
| ViGe_ | Today I was luckily home at this time, quite often I'm not :/ | 16:48 |
| abr | Works ok in CET. Might be a little early for the UK? | 16:49 |
| rainemak | It sounds that we continue with this time | 16:49 |
| rainemak | Proposing Thursday 28th August at 04:00 PM UTC | 16:49 |
| rainemak | Proposing Thursday 11th September at 04:00 PM UTC | 16:49 |
| rainemak | sorry | 16:49 |
| ExTechOp | Works fine. | 16:50 |
| rainemak | #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 11th September 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-09-11T1600Z | 16:50 |
| rainemak | Thank you all! I'll setup a new meeting accordingly. | 16:51 |
| direc85[m] | thank you! | 16:51 |
| roundedrectangl | thanks everybody | 16:52 |
| ExTechOp | Nine-eleven. Thanks! | 16:52 |
| rainemak | Haha | 16:52 |
| rainemak | #endmeeting | 16:52 |
| sailbot | Meeting ended Thu Aug 28 16:52:40 2025 UTC. | 16:52 |
| sailbot | Minutes: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-08-28-16.00.html | 16:52 |
| sailbot | Minutes (text): https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-08-28-16.00.txt | 16:52 |
| sailbot | Log: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-08-28-16.00.log.html | 16:52 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting will be held on August 28th 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-08-28T1600Z" | 16:52 | |
| *** rainemak changes topic to "Next meeting will be held on September 11th 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-09-11T1600Z" | 16:52 | |
| tuplasuhveli[m] | I just read the backlog and I gotta say it was an interesting read! Great questions with clear-cut answers, now we'll just have to wait for the news about 10 IV/V :--) | 18:52 |
| tuplasuhveli[m] | Oh, I forgot to mention that it's always nice to hear (to see, actually) about plans for the next release and comments about what people at Jolla are working on currently. | 18:56 |
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