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| ExTechOp | #info Otto Mäkelä, community | 16:00 |
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| ExTechOp | Hello, everyone! | 16:01 |
| rainemak | #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 4th December 2025 | 16:02 |
| sailbot | Meeting started Thu Dec 4 16:02:13 2025 UTC. The chair is rainemak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
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| *** sailbot changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 4th December 2025)" | 16:02 | |
| rainemak | #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here: | 16:02 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/25669 | 16:02 |
| rainemak | I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive. | 16:02 |
| rainemak | #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info | 16:02 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 4th December 2025)" | 16:02 | |
| rainemak | #info Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla | 16:02 |
| heng | #info Heng Ye, community | 16:02 |
| ExTechOp | #info Otto Mäkelä, community | 16:02 |
| rainemak | Sorry for being a bit late | 16:02 |
| direc85[m] | #info Matti Viljanen, Jolla | 16:03 |
| rainemak | We have a topic today. Please keep on asking and raising topics on forum. | 16:03 |
| rainemak | +2 mins | 16:05 |
| rainemak | #topic Certain phones with Sailfish will be blocked by some network operators in Sweden (10 mins -- SRU) | 16:07 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Certain phones with Sailfish will be blocked by some network operators in Sweden (10 mins -- SRU) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 4th December 2025)" | 16:07 | |
| rainemak | #info <SRU> See My Xperia 10 II Dual SIM will be blocked by Tele2 in Sweden. #info <SRU> What are Jolla’s plans about this? | 16:07 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/my-xperia-10-ii-dual-sim-will-be-blocked-by-tele2-in-sweden/25757 | 16:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Thank you SRU for raising this important topic. It would be much | 16:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> appreciated & valuable if we could look this together with the | 16:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Swedish Sailfish community to narrow down the issue. | 16:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> | 16:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> First few questions that we should try to clarify / figure out. | 16:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> - Have Jolla C2 users receive such messages? | 16:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> - How about Xperia 10 III users? | 16:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> - Messages from other operators than Tele2? | 16:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> - Is the device using the latest software? | 16:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> - Have Android users of the 10 II (if there are even any left) | 16:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> received the same message? (by attah?) | 16:07 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> | 16:08 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Surely, old Volte Beta should be used. | 16:08 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> | 16:08 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Last time we executed HäKe (Hätäkeskus - Finnish emergency center) | 16:08 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> tests with Jolla C2. | 16:08 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> | 16:08 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Is blocking based on the IMEI? Do we know about that? | 16:08 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> | 16:08 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> It could well be that Tele2 is blocking based on IMEI. This could | 16:08 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> for example mean that dear Tele2 decided that Sony Xperia 10 II is | 16:08 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> too old. | 16:08 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> | 16:08 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Let's continue with an open discussion. | 16:08 |
| pherjung[m] | #info pherjung, community | 16:08 |
| pherjung[m] | what define a too old phone? | 16:09 |
| rainemak | somebody over Tele2 | 16:10 |
| pherjung[m] | at least, it's clear | 16:10 |
| pherjung[m] | I'm wondering if another countries are impacted | 16:10 |
| rainemak | pherjung[m], that was just speculation as we do not really know their criterias | 16:10 |
| heng | was there any information on if it worked on android? | 16:11 |
| rainemak | also Xperia 10 II and Xperia 10 III has different VoLTE implementations -> figuring out feedback from both devices would be valuable to understand whether it is a bug in the VoLTE implementation or something else | 16:11 |
| rainemak | heng, haven't seen / heard | 16:12 |
| pherjung[m] | https://www.sweclockers.com/forum/trad/1749556-nodsamtal-via-4g | 16:13 |
| pherjung[m] | I translated with deepl, but looks like everybody is impacted | 16:13 |
| pherjung[m] | https://www.nyteknik.se/tech/problem-med-nodsamtal-mobiler-kan-sparras-alternativet-ar-varre/4414298 | 16:13 |
| direc85[m] | https://www.mobileeurope.co.uk/sweden-tells-mnos-to-block-older-handsets-from-emergency-calls/ I found this article, but I don't find any sources for it. | 16:16 |
| direc85[m] | https://nickvsnetworking.com/background-to-the-volte-mess/ This is the blog post that it links to. | 16:16 |
| rainemak | thanks for links | 16:16 |
| rainemak | then of course we could try to organize together some kind Swedish emergency center test session... similar that we had here in Finland | 16:18 |
| pherjung[m] | and perhaps in other countries? | 16:18 |
| rainemak | then completely different question is whether we could do something about the blocking | 16:19 |
| rainemak | IMEIs of 10 II Sony devices running Sailfish OS are of course pointing to Sony Android | 16:19 |
| rainemak | 5 more mins to this | 16:20 |
| tomas_ | Is this just effecting the XAs though? I got the SMS to my XA but not ot my XA 2 or 10 III | 16:20 |
| piggz[m] | #info piggz - community - very late :D | 16:20 |
| direc85[m] | https://www.pts.se/en/news-and-press-releases/operators-must-ensure-access-to-112--certain-mobile-phones-will-be-blocked/ This looks like a more reliable source. | 16:20 |
| rainemak | tomas_, what operator you have? | 16:22 |
| rainemak | tomas_, is that XA running Sailfish OS or Android? | 16:24 |
| tomas_ | all sailfish, on the AHllon network | 16:24 |
| tomas_ | HAllon* | 16:24 |
| rainemak | let's keep on feeding this information to the this community meeting comments | 16:24 |
| tomas_ | I have 2 XAs with Sailfish 4.6, bith got the SMS, and a 10 III and 2 XAs, none of which got the SMS | 16:25 |
| rainemak | or have a wikified topic + table | 16:25 |
| pherjung | +1 for the wikified topic. It works quite good | 16:25 |
| tomas_ | **2 XA-2s, that did not get the SMS | 16:26 |
| rainemak | pherjung, let's do so | 16:26 |
| tomas_ | I thoguht maybe they can be flashed to Android, updated to Android 12, and then reflashed to Sailfish? | 16:26 |
| attah | Sorry, i'm late. Still have not got it in my head i can actually attend these :) | 16:27 |
| rainemak | I think we have cover this one. | 16:27 |
| rainemak | no worry attah | 16:27 |
| attah | Telia and 10 III here, no SMS of death, but then again Telia are not doing those AFAIK | 16:28 |
| rainemak | let's move to the next topic | 16:28 |
| rainemak | #topic Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) | 16:28 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Open Pull Requests (PRs) to discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 4th December 2025)" | 16:28 | |
| rainemak | tomas_, those XAs can well be just too old. Those devices are from 2016. Further, those do not have VoLTE. | 16:30 |
| piggz[m] | i see a PR here :) https://github.com/sailfishos/qtbase/pull/22 | 16:30 |
| rainemak | I don't have any PRs to discuss -> some geoclue changes got integrated yesterday evening | 16:30 |
| rainemak | piggz[m], :-) | 16:31 |
| piggz[m] | also. would like an update on the big-sb2-pr | 16:31 |
| rainemak | piggz[m], noted | 16:31 |
| rainemak | let's move to the general discussion -> we can continue this device discussion there | 16:32 |
| rainemak | #topic General discussion (10 mins or something) | 16:32 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "General discussion (10 mins or something) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 4th December 2025)" | 16:32 | |
| pherjung | Today, there were a nice discussion on telegram about fonts | 16:33 |
| attah | Anything on 10 IV/V status to share? | 16:33 |
| pherjung | here the words of nephros | 16:33 |
| ExTechOp | Like attah, again, any word from Sony about Xperia 10III / 10V? | 16:33 |
| pherjung | I have been thinking - maybe it would make sense to ask Jolla to make special exceptions in Harbour for "media" type RPMs. I.e. allow e.g. Ringtones, maybe Ambiences, and Font files to be packaged for and released in Harbour. | 16:33 |
| rainemak | I guess you have seen this interesting looking timer https://jolla.com/ | 16:33 |
| ExTechOp | Dammit 10IV/10V not III | 16:33 |
| rainemak | do we have mal around? | 16:34 |
| ExTechOp | Ooh, I hadn't. | 16:34 |
| attah | Every so often there a promising things in the repos, but getting a total picture of the port status is hard. | 16:34 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, great! now you saw it :-) -- stay tuned! | 16:36 |
| attah | Super excited about the countdown. HW that's upper-midrange and with good vendor support could really do wonders. | 16:36 |
| piggz[m] | attah: try a volla quintus :) | 16:37 |
| attah | grumble-grumble :) | 16:37 |
| mal | yes | 16:37 |
| attah | unfortunately i need like 2-3 Android apps | 16:37 |
| rainemak | mal do you have anything to update regarding Xperia 10 IV / 10 V? | 16:38 |
| mal | I'm about to test some fix related to suspending with new blobs | 16:38 |
| attah | All AIDL-converted interfaces in place? | 16:39 |
| mal | and also aidl volte support has been implemented | 16:39 |
| attah | nice! | 16:39 |
| mal | sensorfw and volte are not yet integrated | 16:39 |
| piggz[m] | is that the one by rinigus? | 16:39 |
| mal | no, I added support to jolla volte plugin independently from the open plugin | 16:40 |
| piggz[m] | ah | 16:40 |
| piggz[m] | with quite good open volte support now available for a few SoCs, i wonder if jolla should just open up the closed ones, and have a library of decent open volte implementations :) | 16:42 |
| pherjung | +1 | 16:43 |
| attah | would be cool | 16:43 |
| ExTechOp | +1 | 16:44 |
| piggz[m] | lets just implant the idea :) | 16:45 |
| mal | there now PR for perl update https://github.com/sailfishos/perl/pull/9 it was very old before, some additional PRs to other packages are still needed before that can be intergrated, also two new perl packages | 16:45 |
| rainemak | I think the next meeting would be the last for the year | 16:46 |
| pherjung | what about allowing media type in jolla store? | 16:46 |
| rainemak | pherjung, as a teaser, we're covering that in more detail in the next fortnight newsletter | 16:48 |
| rainemak | but yes https://github.com/sailfishos/sdk-harbour-rpmvalidator/pull/180 | 16:49 |
| pherjung | cool! | 16:50 |
| pherjung | I have to leave :( | 16:50 |
| pherjung | have a nice day! | 16:51 |
| rainemak | thanks pherjung[m] | 16:51 |
| rainemak | we're ending anyways | 16:51 |
| rainemak | let's schedule the next meeting | 16:51 |
| rainemak | #topic Next meeting time and date (2 mins) | 16:51 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting time and date (2 mins) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 4th December 2025)" | 16:51 | |
| rainemak | Proposing Thursday 18th December at 04:00 PM UTC | 16:51 |
| direc85[m] | +1 | 16:52 |
| ExTechOp | Works4me. The next one would be on New Year's Day :-D | 16:52 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, that we probably skip :-D | 16:53 |
| rainemak | or let's see | 16:53 |
| rainemak | #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 18th December 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-12-18T1600Z | 16:53 |
| rainemak | thank you all! | 16:53 |
| rainemak | #endmeeting | 16:53 |
| sailbot | Meeting ended Thu Dec 4 16:53:40 2025 UTC. | 16:53 |
| sailbot | Minutes: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-12-04-16.02.html | 16:53 |
| sailbot | Minutes (text): https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-12-04-16.02.txt | 16:53 |
| sailbot | Log: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2025/sailfishos-meeting.2025-12-04-16.02.log.html | 16:53 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "set #sailfishos-meeting topic Next meeting will be held on December 4th 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-12-04T1600Z" | 16:53 | |
| *** rainemak changes topic to "Next meeting will be held on December 18th 2025 at 04:00pm UTC: 2025-12-18T1600Z" | 16:53 | |
| direc85[m] | Thank you! | 16:53 |
| ExTechOp | Thanks, everyone! | 16:54 |
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