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| spiiroin | fyi / review / testing appreciated: https://github.com/nemomobile/dsme/pull/84 | 07:01 |
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| spiiroin | loosens dsme-usb_moded dependency. 1st step in making it possible to have dsme start up earlier (most relevant for n9) | 07:01 |
| spiiroin | image build changes might be needed as dsme rpm no longer requires usb_moded | 07:01 |
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| sledges | spiiroin: what image build changes to you have in mind? | 09:09 |
| spiiroin | sledges: some time ago usb_moded was not included in images by default -> boot up broke -> fixed by having dsme.rpm require usb_moded -> now that require is removed -> system should boot up, but act dead will not work as expected without having usb_moded installed | 09:23 |
| spiiroin | i.e. usb_moded should be selected explicitly to image | 09:23 |
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| beidl | hello friends | 14:14 |
| locusf | beidl: \o | 14:14 |
| beidl | locusf: o/ | 14:20 |
| beidl | got home earlier, finally purchased my own Jolla. today is a good day. | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | \o/ | 14:21 |
| tbr | \o/ | 14:21 |
| tbr | beidl: you may now proceed to buy a ToH-keyboard | 14:22 |
| beidl | now I can finally check for remaining deficiencies in the maguro port :) | 14:22 |
| beidl | tbr: that's what I'll *probably* do next :D | 14:22 |
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| beidl | HOLY MOLY, €85000 already? | 14:23 |
| beidl | nice | 14:23 |
| locusf | yeah its been quite a first day | 14:23 |
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| * tbr is just buying his to make a group picture: 9300, N810, N900, N950, Jolla ;) | 14:24 | |
| beidl | I'll wait for my next pay check. €350 a month doesn't cut a lot | 14:25 |
| tbr | beidl: wait you paid full price? | 14:25 |
| tbr | beidl: aborrrrrt! there are 100€ discount vouchers! | 14:25 |
| beidl | I got my hands on a discount code | 14:25 |
| beidl | tbr: don't worry :) | 14:25 |
| tbr | ah | 14:25 |
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| beidl | I already made a mistake, got myself a Meizu MX4. 8 cores big.little + 2GB RAM sounds nice, right? | 14:26 |
| tbr | hehe | 14:26 |
| hurrian | porting time | 14:26 |
| beidl | WRONG! locked bootloader and they just don't want to release the kernel source | 14:27 |
| * tbr always thinks of little-big-adventure... | 14:27 | |
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| beidl | lol! | 14:27 |
| tbr | wait what? | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | beidl: isn't that glorious platform for ubuntu touch openness? | 14:27 |
| beidl | Stskeeps: EXACTLY! | 14:27 |
| tbr | sekrit kernelz! | 14:27 |
| beidl | openness until you hit the manufacturer | 14:27 |
| beidl | or, in this case, manu-DISFUNCT-GODDAMNIT | 14:28 |
| hurrian | oh, a mediatek CPU. | 14:28 |
| hurrian | what a surprise | 14:28 |
| tbr | if they really don't want to drop sources, they're going to be in for a 'fun' ride, for unpleasant values of such | 14:28 |
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| beidl | if mediatek won't release the kernel source, fine, their "customers" are the manufacturers, so they are obliging the GPL there | 14:29 |
| beidl | but Meizu and their way to respond is "awesome" | 14:30 |
| beidl | "yeah, sounds nice you want to do all these things voluntairily and for free, but.... no" | 14:30 |
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| beidl | or "I'll forward your request to the R&D department" | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | /dev/null? | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | i should be cautious, i still need to publish u9 sources | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:32 |
| beidl | Stskeeps: probably symlinked via tmpfiles.d :P | 14:32 |
| beidl | I mean I tried a lot of nice words. "sailfish is rapidly getting more popular in europe, enthusiasts love dual-boot phones here, don't you want teh revenuez and teh moneyz?" | 14:34 |
| hurrian | beidl: it's Mediatek, which is incredibly notorious for not sharing kernel source | 14:36 |
| hurrian | Hell froze over by the way when it was announced that they were the SoC maker for Android One devices and actually released source for those. | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | they want to go global, simple as that | 14:37 |
| beidl | hurrian: if they have deals with manufacturers that specifically say "don't release the kernel source" I could see that. but mediatek is not directly responsible for releasing the source. the manufacturers are | 14:37 |
| hurrian | beidl: understandable if it was code with sekrit debug flags (and arguably legal as long as nobody else gets hold of the code), but if code under that license was used in release firmware that's a massive GPL violation right there | 14:39 |
| beidl | hurrian: definitely | 14:40 |
| hurrian | though unfortunately, you would need to hound the device manufacturer and not mediatek | 14:40 |
| beidl | the issue is that only copyright holders of the code can issue a legal violation, and I'm not sure how many people here have contributed to the upstream kernel | 14:41 |
| hurrian | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/N9_Kernel_update_project | 14:42 |
| hurrian | looks like some community members have gotten commits upstream somehow... | 14:42 |
| beidl | if anyone here has contributed to kernel version <= 3.10 I'd assume: go for it, sue those guys! | 14:42 |
| beidl | that's only issue 1, issue 2 is the locked bootloader which is Little Kernel, which I believe is MIT licensed | 14:45 |
| locusf | hurrian: yes, nemomobile upstream, not kernel itself I guess | 14:45 |
| hurrian | D: I thought they went into kernel.org | 14:46 |
| locusf | gotta ask filippz about that | 14:47 |
| beidl | I'm also unsure as to what the law says about #ifdef'ed parts. just because your code is in the source tree doesn't mean it's in the binary. so best bet would be to bug someone who upstreamed vm, ext4 or similar generic changes | 14:48 |
| beidl | let 'em feel the wrath of the community | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | good luck in trying to sue a chinese corporation though.. | 14:49 |
| beidl | Stskeeps: exactly | 14:50 |
| beidl | "and this is what grinds my gears." | 14:56 |
| tbr | beidl: if you have demonstrably exhausted friendly options, then getting in touch with gpl-violations.org(?) is the right thing | 15:00 |
| beidl | tbr: that's what I've planned to do next. I'll just wait some time. I'll be giving the MX4 to my mother as soon as the Jolla arrives anyways | 15:02 |
| beidl | trade her Note 2 with the MX4 | 15:02 |
| tbr | :) | 15:02 |
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| sledges | note2 mmmm | 15:36 |
| sledges | spiiroin: understood. still no jolla-rnd-device package being opensourced we can't allow usb-moded in WIP devices due to device lockout when no UI (cc phdeswer ) | 15:36 |
| beidl | is there a need for KDE Connect type of functionality for sfos? | 15:41 |
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| SK_work | beidl: are you working on this ? | 16:24 |
| SK_work | I'm planning on doing work on that aspect | 16:24 |
| SK_work | but I'm really busy playing CivBE :D | 16:24 |
| SK_work | beidl: https://github.com/SfietKonstantin/harmony-server for a basic webserver that serves data on a jolla to a webapp | 16:25 |
| SK_work | the daemon part is being written too | 16:25 |
| beidl | SK_work: I'd be curious to work on it as, to put it that way, I WANT IT :) | 16:35 |
| SK_work | beidl: help me rehab from CivBE | 16:36 |
| SK_work | :) | 16:36 |
| SK_work | if I made the daemon right, it should be able to bridge quite easily with KDE connect too | 16:37 |
| SK_work | damn I really need to work on it :) | 16:37 |
| beidl | :D | 16:39 |
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| phdeswer | sledges: I know. I already pinged the responsable last week. I think I will have to be more persuasive ;) | 18:30 |
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| piggz | lo * | 20:35 |
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| Guhl | hi piggz | 20:41 |
| beidl | hello piggz and Guhl | 20:44 |
| Guhl | hi beidl hows live ? | 20:44 |
| beidl | Guhl: full of eierspeiß :) | 20:45 |
| beidl | and how are you doing? | 20:45 |
| Guhl | still serving the nation? | 20:45 |
| stephg | piggz: forthright question if you don't mind, you're in the .uk? | 20:45 |
| beidl | Guhl: ready to defend the nation with my cooking spoon | 20:46 |
| Guhl | beidl, i am fine a bit tired today as i traveled early in the morning | 20:47 |
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| Guhl | there he goes ... | 20:48 |
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| beidl | Guhl: traveled where? | 20:48 |
| Guhl | frankfurt | 20:49 |
| beidl | uh nice | 20:49 |
| Guhl | :-) | 20:50 |
| Guhl | so piggz are you here or not? | 20:50 |
| Guhl | beidl, are you just doing your service your mandatory service or are you a professional | 20:52 |
| Guhl | forget some parts of that sentence | 20:52 |
| stephg | brought to you by the department of redundancy department | 20:52 |
| piggz | stephg: yep... .cumbria | 20:53 |
| Guhl | lol - i think we got plenty of redundant redundancy departments here | 20:53 |
| piggz | im sorting out daughters b'day present fo tomorrow .... just realised sim is wrong size :/ | 20:53 |
| stephg | piggz cool (cumbria, not the sim prob) | 20:54 |
| Guhl | cut it | 20:54 |
| piggz | i am | 20:54 |
| Guhl | piggz, are you still motivated to do some debugging today, otherwise i probably will got to sleep | 20:55 |
| Guhl | or have a look at the led stuff | 20:55 |
| piggz | Guhl: not gonna have time today id say | 20:59 |
| piggz | stephg: any reason you ask? :) | 21:00 |
| Guhl | thats cool for me - so i'll have a short look at the led stuff and then go to sleep | 21:00 |
| Guhl | i started debugging the sound in btw. and have a good idea where it crashes but not why (but thats to complicated for today) | 21:01 |
| stephg | piggz: part simple curiosity, part wondering if it was worth canvasing people for an xmas get together | 21:01 |
| stephg | there was a hack-day in the summer in London and although alot of the .uk lot are in the bottom half of the country a meet need not be there... | 21:03 |
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| piggz | stephg: yourself? | 21:09 |
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| stephg | piggz: I'm in north london fwiw | 21:17 |
| sledges | fellas, whilst your here, me and lbt are intending to do porters bug triage on tuesdays 6pm UTC, could most of you be around? | 21:17 |
| gogeta | sledges, for which devices ? | 21:18 |
| piggz | sledges: tuesdays shoud generally be ok | 21:18 |
| sledges | (south west england here, and the triage colleague - Reading ;) | 21:18 |
| sledges | gogeta: all bugs | 21:18 |
| Guhl | sledges, yes that should work for me | 21:18 |
| stephg | sledges: will most certainly try | 21:19 |
| sledges | gogeta: triage means prioritising bugs and taking action | 21:19 |
| stephg | piggz: also fwiw another of the porters is a little outside northampton | 21:19 |
| sledges | don't forget alterego and vgrade ;) | 21:21 |
| stephg | is alterego in oxford? | 21:22 |
| sledges | ish | 21:22 |
| stephg | I was refering to vgrade re: northampton (iirc) | 21:22 |
| sledges | and all of the london sailfishos meetup chaps;) | 21:23 |
| sledges | from summer | 21:23 |
| stephg | jaja | 21:23 |
| piggz | youre all goddamn southerners :D | 21:25 |
| stephg | hey I'm technically a greek midlander! | 21:26 |
| sledges | vgrade is from north orig ;P | 21:26 |
| stephg | ^^fact | 21:26 |
| sledges | not even england;) | 21:26 |
| r0kk3rz | 'southerners' you lot dont know what south is :P | 21:26 |
| stephg | lol | 21:26 |
| * sledges not even a brit :D | 21:26 | |
| stephg | sledges: could also argue convincingly as to what 'north' is ;P | 21:27 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah its pretty funny listening to the people call themselves northerners around here | 21:27 |
| r0kk3rz | (NE UK) | 21:28 |
| sledges | Island? | 21:28 |
| piggz | cumbria is about north as you get in england .... tho, ive done some mtb races in inverness .... and that is _really_ north | 21:28 |
| Guhl | well r0kk3rz even we austrians to not think of us as southeners | 21:29 |
| Guhl | for us the south starts somewhere in italy | 21:29 |
| stephg | Guhl: you're missing a syllable for r0kk3rz there in 'austrians' | 21:29 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah true | 21:29 |
| r0kk3rz | im from tasmania, thats about as south as south gets | 21:30 |
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| piggz | whats new in porting-land .... have any new devices been added recently? any changes to the porting procedures we should know about? | 21:32 |
| Guhl | piggz, just for information the led stuff does "something" - atm the only thing it does for me is | 21:34 |
| Guhl | green light on when screen is off - green light off when screen is on | 21:34 |
| Guhl | probably needs some work on patterns to make it do something meaningful | 21:35 |
| Guhl | and also just for info - for me the following in reproducible (regarding the proximity sensor) | 21:36 |
| Guhl | systemctl stop sensord && systemctl start sensord | 21:37 |
| Guhl | trigger the prox sensor with something like Messwerk | 21:37 |
| Guhl | systemctl stop mce && systemctl start mce | 21:38 |
| Guhl | -> from then on the prox sensor works also in call .... | 21:38 |
| Guhl | not sure how to really fix that but let's see | 21:40 |
| piggz | Guhl: yes, that worked for me, the prox was working fine with a call | 21:45 |
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| Guhl | piggz, i played a bit with the patterns for mce and they have some effect as i.e. the light is now amber while charging but i can't make it i.e. blink green in the case of a missed call/sms but maybe i just don't understand the patterns right | 22:22 |
| Guhl | i'll play some more tomorrow (while i do have a boring 3 hours conference) | 22:22 |
| Guhl | night | 22:22 |
| piggz | cya | 22:22 |
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| beidl | Guhl: sry, I had to restart the display manager and forgot to restart quassel. "just" mandatory service | 22:30 |
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